American held hostage by al Qaeda appeals to Obama... (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

I honestly believe that at least part of the outrage over this story runs deeper even than a general disapproval of President Obama's foreign policy. It is a sense of frustration over this entire war and the fact that its not going to end well. We've spent 14 years, lost countless lives, and in the end we're going to leave behind an unstable, completely corrupt government that has to negotiate with the Taliban for its survival.

Afghanistan turned out to be the same abyss for us as it was for the Soviets, and for the British before them.

 

[TPW]

I'm curious to know too.

I did not serve.

Thank you to those that did. I’m proud of you and the United States military. You represent one of my favorite parts of being an American. Our might in the field of battle.

Deserters should be investigated, court martialed, and tried for desertion which is what I believe should happen to Bergdahl. I think he’s an #######.

Now answer my question. What’s it to you? And what does my not serving have to do with that bull#### article?

oh my bad, not good posting then. I thought you were calling something else bull####.You not serving has everything to do with it as how can you judge a man if you haven't walked a mile in his shoes.

The article was bull####.

The only person I'm judging is Bergdahl. I think he's a deserter, and in my judgment he should be tried for desertion, which has not happened.

Again, my deepest respect to those who have served honorably.

Please explain then why someone who by your own words is a deserter would be referred as having served with "honor and distinction" by members of the Obama administration? Why the fanfare and Rose Garden ceremony? Why are they now raising the prospect of Sgt. Bergdahl's unit being filled with "psycopaths?"

If the article is bull#### and the Obama administration isn't utterly tone deaf to the concerns of veterans and main street America, then what could possibly be their motivation for such asinine behavior? Your positions don't add up.

 

[johnnycakes]

I honestly believe that at least part of the outrage over this story runs deeper even than a general disapproval of President Obama's foreign policy. It is a sense of frustration over this entire war and the fact that its not going to end well. We've spent 14 years, lost countless lives, and in the end we're going to leave behind an unstable, completely corrupt government that has to negotiate with the Taliban for its survival.

Afghanistan turned out to be the same abyss for us as it was for the Soviets, and for the British before them.

Just goes to show we should have just nuked Afghanistan on 9/12/2001. Would have saved countless American lives and completely eliminated most of the Taliban threat, including IBL himself. We wouldn't have filled Gitmo at all, but if we had, we would have had a suitable country to which to return them now.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

There are a couple exigences the WH has claimed explain its reason to not inform Congress according to law:

1. That they might lose the deal if they did ...

Can't find the link, but Time is reporting that the administration claims that telling Congress would have axed the deal and Bergdahi. Take it for what it is worth without the link and because of "lateness" of the claim.

Maybe I can believe that, but what was behind my thought was that negotiations for Bergdahl had been going on since 2011 at least. In fact the original offer from the Taliban came in 2009. The rush came from the fact that it suddenly dawned on them that hey oh gee we're pulling out in a few months. What the hell have they been doing?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

 

[timschochet]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:

1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

 

[dozer]

I'm curious to know too.

I did not serve.

Thank you to those that did. I’m proud of you and the United States military. You represent one of my favorite parts of being an American. Our might in the field of battle.

Deserters should be investigated, court martialed, and tried for desertion which is what I believe should happen to Bergdahl. I think he’s an #######.

Now answer my question. What’s it to you? And what does my not serving have to do with that bull#### article?

oh my bad, not good posting then. I thought you were calling something else bull####.You not serving has everything to do with it as how can you judge a man if you haven't walked a mile in his shoes.

The article was bull####.

The only person I'm judging is Bergdahl. I think he's a deserter, and in my judgment he should be tried for desertion, which has not happened.

Again, my deepest respect to those who have served honorably.

Please explain then why someone who by your own words is a deserter would be referred as having served with "honor and distinction" by members of the Obama administration? Why the fanfare and Rose Garden ceremony? Why are they now raising the prospect of Sgt. Bergdahl's unit being filled with "psycopaths?"

If the article is bull#### and the Obama administration isn't utterly tone deaf to the concerns of veterans and main street America, then what could possibly be their motivation for such asinine behavior? Your positions don't add up.

Well, just because I say he’s a deserter doesn’t mean his is. I’d like him to go through the process and have that proven by more than some interviews on television.My position is that we are obligated to rescue and return home soldiers who are missing or captured to their families.

The article is just a big angry pile of nonsense. The “author” says that I (part of Obama’s base) think people are dumb if they don’t go to Harvard. It also says that I don’t appreciate the military. That’s bull####.

 

[TPW]

Please explain then why someone who by your own words is a deserter would be referred as having served with "honor and distinction" by members of the Obama administration? Why the fanfare and Rose Garden ceremony? Why are they now raising the prospect of Sgt. Bergdahl's unit being filled with "psycopaths?"If the article is bull#### and the Obama administration isn't utterly tone deaf to the concerns of veterans and main street America, then what could possibly be their motivation for such asinine behavior? Your positions don't add up.

Well, just because I say he’s a deserter doesn’t mean his is. I’d like him to go through the process and have that proven by more than some interviews on television.My position is that we are obligated to rescue and return home soldiers who are missing or captured to their families.

The article is just a big angry pile of nonsense. The “author” says that I (part of Obama’s base) think people are dumb if they don’t go to Harvard. It also says that I don’t appreciate the military. That’s bull####.

If what you say is true then I would respectfully submit you need to reconsider your self-identification as part of the Obama base, at least the elitist, über credentialed, quasi-Marxist, urban portion of it anyway. Whether you realize it or not they look at people like you the same way.

 

[Henry Ford]

Please explain then why someone who by your own words is a deserter would be referred as having served with "honor and distinction" by members of the Obama administration? Why the fanfare and Rose Garden ceremony? Why are they now raising the prospect of Sgt. Bergdahl's unit being filled with "psycopaths?"If the article is bull#### and the Obama administration isn't utterly tone deaf to the concerns of veterans and main street America, then what could possibly be their motivation for such asinine behavior? Your positions don't add up.

Well, just because I say he’s a deserter doesn’t mean his is. I’d like him to go through the process and have that proven by more than some interviews on television.My position is that we are obligated to rescue and return home soldiers who are missing or captured to their families.

The article is just a big angry pile of nonsense. The “author” says that I (part of Obama’s base) think people are dumb if they don’t go to Harvard. It also says that I don’t appreciate the military. That’s bull####.

If what you say is true then I would respectfully submit you need to reconsider your self-identification as part of the Obama base, at least the elitist, über credentialed, quasi-Marxist, urban portion of it anyway. Whether you realize it or not they look at people like you the same way.

If they view him incorrectly based on the political candidate he supports, maybe they're just flat wrong. Maybe it doesn't mean he has to reevaluate anything.

 

[dozer]

Please explain then why someone who by your own words is a deserter would be referred as having served with "honor and distinction" by members of the Obama administration? Why the fanfare and Rose Garden ceremony? Why are they now raising the prospect of Sgt. Bergdahl's unit being filled with "psycopaths?"

If the article is bull#### and the Obama administration isn't utterly tone deaf to the concerns of veterans and main street America, then what could possibly be their motivation for such asinine behavior? Your positions don't add up.

Well, just because I say he’s a deserter doesn’t mean his is. I’d like him to go through the process and have that proven by more than some interviews on television.My position is that we are obligated to rescue and return home soldiers who are missing or captured to their families.

The article is just a big angry pile of nonsense. The “author” says that I (part of Obama’s base) think people are dumb if they don’t go to Harvard. It also says that I don’t appreciate the military. That’s bull####.

If what you say is true then I would respectfully submit you need to reconsider your self-identification as part of the Obama base, at least the elitist, über credentialed, quasi-Marxist, urban portion of it anyway. Whether you realize it or not they look at people like you the same way.

Tell you what. I will. I would ask that you do the same.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I honestly believe that at least part of the outrage over this story runs deeper even than a general disapproval of President Obama's foreign policy. It is a sense of frustration over this entire war and the fact that its not going to end well. We've spent 14 years, lost countless lives, and in the end we're going to leave behind an unstable, completely corrupt government that has to negotiate with the Taliban for its survival.

Afghanistan turned out to be the same abyss for us as it was for the Soviets, and for the British before them.

Nope, no hyperbole here.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

I honestly believe that at least part of the outrage over this story runs deeper even than a general disapproval of President Obama's foreign policy. It is a sense of frustration over this entire war and the fact that its not going to end well. We've spent 14 years, lost countless lives, and in the end we're going to leave behind an unstable, completely corrupt government that has to negotiate with the Taliban for its survival.

Afghanistan turned out to be the same abyss for us as it was for the Soviets, and for the British before them.

Nope, no hyperbole here.

 

[Kal El]

I honestly believe that at least part of the outrage over this story runs deeper even than a general disapproval of President Obama's foreign policy. It is a sense of frustration over this entire war and the fact that its not going to end well. We've spent 14 years, lost countless lives, and in the end we're going to leave behind an unstable, completely corrupt government that has to negotiate with the Taliban for its survival.

Afghanistan turned out to be the same abyss for us as it was for the Soviets, and for the British before them.

We've fallen victim to history's most classic blunder: Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:

1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

1. Poor messaging by the White House.

Isn't it always?

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

Well they found it.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

Yeah the propaganda value is to the Taliban in Afghanstan and AQ and their allies throughout the world.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Great thread, guys.

Quick question for Saints: Are you pissed that the deal was done, that it wasn't done sooner, that we're in a war in Afghanistan at all, that Obama increased our presence, or that Tim is posting stuff?

Thx, will answer yours!

 

[timschochet]

Great thread, guys.

Quick question for Saints: Are you pissed that the deal was done, that it wasn't done sooner, that we're in a war in Afghanistan at all, that Obama increased our presence, or that Tim is posting stuff?

Thx, will answer yours!

Saints enjoys my posts. We always have a good discussion.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Great thread, guys.

Quick question for Saints: Are you pissed that the deal was done, that it wasn't done sooner, that we're in a war in Afghanistan at all, that Obama increased our presence, or that Tim is posting stuff?

Thx, will answer yours!

Saints enjoys my posts. We always have a good discussion.

That's fine, I just have no idea what he's arguing for. Or against.

 

[the moops]

Great thread, guys.

Quick question for Saints: Are you pissed that the deal was done, that it wasn't done sooner, that we're in a war in Afghanistan at all, that Obama increased our presence, or that Tim is posting stuff?

Thx, will answer yours!

Saints enjoys my posts. We always have a good discussion.

That's fine, I just have no idea what he's arguing for. Or against.

Amazing considering he has nearly 100 posts

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process that means a vast majority here that "hate" you.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process there is a vast majority here that "hate" you.

Name them. Which folks in this thread are generally pro Obama, yet are criticizing him here?

Just be honest. It's the same anti-Obama folks with more BEHNNNNNGHAZZZZIIIII-RAGE!

 

[StrikeS2k]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process there is a vast majority here that "hate" you.

Name them. Which folks in this thread are generally pro Obama, yet are criticizing him here?

Just be honest. It's the same anti-Obama folks with more BEHNNNNNGHAZZZZIIIII-RAGE!

How did not hating Obama translate to "generally pro Obama"?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Great thread, guys.

Quick question for Saints: Are you pissed that the deal was done, that it wasn't done sooner, that we're in a war in Afghanistan at all, that Obama increased our presence, or that Tim is posting stuff?

Thx, will answer yours!

Hey Homer.

Am I pissed about the deal itself? No. Not really. I feel for Bowe Bergdahl, his family, his town. I admit I get caught up in details. Evaluating it straight up, or altogether with everything that's happened because he left his squad, either way, it doesn't add up as an even exchange.

I just can't be pissed, I won't be angry, that this guy is home. I feel bad at heart that he ever joined the military, I don't think he belonged there.

Am I pissed it wasn't done sooner? Yeah, maybe. I guess I don't understand why if the deal was good the president waited so long. From Rolling Stone and all the news reports it sounds like there have been offers from and to the Taliban for BB since 2009. I can't believe they would not have taken their Top 5, or these 5 at least much sooner. If the deal's good then it should have been done earlier.

About Afghanistan: my personal view is that we went there to defeat AQ and the Taliban was protecting AQ. If the Taliban comes back to power then AQ likely comes back there. That seems very primed to happen. - I did support Pres. Obama on Afghanistan, I have since he was running 2007-08. - However, my feeling is that if he never intended to win out, if the plan was to just let the Taliban return, I have no idea why we have been there since 2009.

I have no problem with Tim. It's a free-for-all, and if we wanted to hear ourselves think we wouldn't be here. Every so often whether it's him or someone else I learn something, or try to.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process there is a vast majority here that "hate" you.

Name them. Which folks in this thread are generally pro Obama, yet are criticizing him here?

Just be honest. It's the same anti-Obama folks with more BEHNNNNNGHAZZZZIIIII-RAGE!

I suggest you read up on news articles and other sources to see that people being critical of him on this don't hate him. It's laughable to watch you guys defend him no matter what they do.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process there is a vast majority here that "hate" you.

Name them. Which folks in this thread are generally pro Obama, yet are criticizing him here?

Just be honest. It's the same anti-Obama folks with more BEHNNNNNGHAZZZZIIIII-RAGE!

I suggest you read up on news articles and other sources to see that people being critical of him on this don't hate him. It's laughable to watch you guys defend him no matter what they do.

Name them.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process there is a vast majority here that "hate" you.

Name them. Which folks in this thread are generally pro Obama, yet are criticizing him here? Just be honest. It's the same anti-Obama folks with more BEHNNNNNGHAZZZZIIIII-RAGE!

I suggest you read up on news articles and other sources to see that people being critical of him on this don't hate him. It's laughable to watch you guys defend him no matter what they do.

Name them.

 

[Jim11]

Separate issue:

Can someone explain how...

... in the country that practically invented tv, films and the art of the image...

... in the country that created the political consulting profession, where the impression has become more important than the deed...

...in an administration that may actually be the "Greatest" ever in working the media, being on top of every little issue, message, talking point for and against on every possible available medium and outlet...

...how did we end up with the final image of this situation being on the one hand the Taliban handing over a weak, crying, shaved soldier with an overlay stating "Don't Come Back," juxtaposed with Taliban elite celerating the return of their Top 5 leaders in captivity?

How did the Obama team allow such a ridiculous propaganda victory to be handed to the Taliban?

Lots of reasons:1. Poor messaging by the White House.

2. A badly demoralized Taliban looking for any kind of propaganda in their favor.

3. A certain segment of the American public which hates President Obama so much that they are eager to believe anything that makes him look bad.

There are a lot of people critical of this that don't "hate" Obama. Just stop with this already. If someone is critical of him doesn't mean they hate him. According to your thought process there is a vast majority here that "hate" you.

Name them. Which folks in this thread are generally pro Obama, yet are criticizing him here?

Just be honest. It's the same anti-Obama folks with more BEHNNNNNGHAZZZZIIIII-RAGE!

I suggest you read up on news articles and other sources to see that people being critical of him on this don't hate him. It's laughable to watch you guys defend him no matter what they do.

Name them.

How about Leon Panetta.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/6228667-74/panetta-bergdahl-obama#axzz33o2HQHA7

A former top adviser to President Obama on Wednesday questioned the release of dangerous terrorists in exchange for an imprisoned American soldier as anger spread among lawmakers in Washington over the secret deal to free Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

“I don't fault the administration for wanting to get him back. I do question whether the conditions are in place to make sure these terrorists don't go back into battle,” former CIA director and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta told a gas industry gathering in Pittsburgh.

 

[timschochet]

Well I certainly don't hate Obama and I'm critical of him on this. Just not to the extent that others are.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm curious to know too.

I did not serve.

Thank you to those that did. I’m proud of you and the United States military. You represent one of my favorite parts of being an American. Our might in the field of battle.

Deserters should be investigated, court martialed, and tried for desertion which is what I believe should happen to Bergdahl. I think he’s an #######.

Now answer my question. What’s it to you? And what does my not serving have to do with that bull#### article?

oh my bad, not good posting then. I thought you were calling something else bull####.You not serving has everything to do with it as how can you judge a man if you haven't walked a mile in his shoes.

The article was bull####.

The only person I'm judging is Bergdahl. I think he's a deserter, and in my judgment he should be tried for desertion, which has not happened.

Again, my deepest respect to those who have served honorably.

Please explain then why someone who by your own words is a deserter would be referred as having served with "honor and distinction" by members of the Obama administration? Why the fanfare and Rose Garden ceremony? Why are they now raising the prospect of Sgt. Bergdahl's unit being filled with "psycopaths?"

If the article is bull#### and the Obama administration isn't utterly tone deaf to the concerns of veterans and main street America, then what could possibly be their motivation for such asinine behavior? Your positions don't add up.

Because Obama's administration aren't perfect and often have trotted out lies to help the American Public feel better?

Just as other administrations before him have done?

 

[timschochet]

So make a prediction: will this story have "legs" like Benghazi? Or will it be more of a one-week wonder, and we'll all move on to discussing new stuff next week?

 

[ArbyMelt]

Name them, I'll go with Diane Feinstein. How many more you need? Pretty much everyone except Harry Reid

1.1 Diane Feinstein

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So make a prediction: will this story have "legs" like Benghazi? Or will it be more of a one-week wonder, and we'll all move on to discussing new stuff next week?

We get our soldiers out.

Everything else is a political sideshow.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Name them, I'll go with Diane Feinstein. How many more you need? Pretty much everyone except Harry Reid

1.1 Diane Feinstein

Which folks in this thread...

 

[avoiding injuries]

Name them, I'll go with Diane Feinstein. How many more you need? Pretty much everyone except Harry Reid

1.1 Diane Feinstein

Which folks in this thread...

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[Maurile Tremblay]

I love stuff like this: flip-flops.

 

[mr roboto]

I love stuff like this: flip-flops.

God help me for even remotely trying to defend those who parrot talking points on Twitter, but wasn't the possibility that he was a deserter just a recent story? IOW one could hope for his release months ago but change their minds legitimately based on new info (not that I should give those loons that much credit).If it's not a recent story, then those people are foolish.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Pretty damn good summation of all of this crap... http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--62h_Mpex--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/mluj50knrhs8ztk1zopw.png

Well done MT. http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Owyjy4cv--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lerybzmwzrgxzbabbg2x.png

 

[mr roboto]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

Attack Obama. Is the point.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

The point, which has been a theme running through a number of my posts over the years, is that politics often makes people stupid. Moreover, concrete examples are often funny.

 

[humpback]

It needs to be stressed again and again that the release of Bergdahl was part of a larger deal, of which we are not privy to all of the details. But the notion of a straight 5 for 1 trade, which so many people here and elsewhere are making, is apparently not accurate. So please stop arguing that "the price was too high"; you don't know everything that we paid for.

That being said, IMO even if it was a straight 5 for 1 trade, the price was not too high.

Do you factor in the lives of those who may have been lost searching for him?

In terms of this trade? No.

So where do they count if not as part of the "price"?

They are American lives that were sadly lost in a never ending war in which the results will at best be negligible. I feel terrible about them, and every soldier lost in the last 13 years. What has it all been for?But in terms of this trade discussion, not relevant.

Any one else want to chime in on this? Do people actually believe it's irrelevant?

How about you critical thinkers on the left- what say ye?

 

[cubd8]

So make a prediction: will this story have "legs" like Benghazi? Or will it be more of a one-week wonder, and we'll all move on to discussing new stuff next week?

Given that the Obama administration can't seem to get out of it's own way, there will probably be a new outrage coming.

 

[mr roboto]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

Attack Obama. Is the point.

Do you believe a person can legitimately critique this particular decision without 'attacking Obama'? If you say no, you will have solidified yourself as a partisan hack that's no better than those Twitter idiots.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

Attack Obama. Is the point.

Do you believe a person can legitimately critique this particular decision without 'attacking Obama'? If you say no, you will have solidified yourself as a partisan hack that's no better than those Twitter idiots.

Depends on the critique.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It needs to be stressed again and again that the release of Bergdahl was part of a larger deal, of which we are not privy to all of the details. But the notion of a straight 5 for 1 trade, which so many people here and elsewhere are making, is apparently not accurate. So please stop arguing that "the price was too high"; you don't know everything that we paid for.

That being said, IMO even if it was a straight 5 for 1 trade, the price was not too high.

Do you factor in the lives of those who may have been lost searching for him?

In terms of this trade? No.

So where do they count if not as part of the "price"?

They are American lives that were sadly lost in a never ending war in which the results will at best be negligible. I feel terrible about them, and every soldier lost in the last 13 years. What has it all been for?But in terms of this trade discussion, not relevant.

Any one else want to chime in on this? Do people actually believe it's irrelevant?

How about you critical thinkers on the left- what say ye?

Not according to the ranking military personnel. You bring the soldier home.

We still keep trying to bring pieces (literally pieces) of soldiers home from Vietnam.

But how do you know they didn't consider the lives lost?

Also, I'd argue 1 American soldier is worth a hell of a lot more then 5 soon to be released Taliban members.

Id certainly feel that way about your son or your father and even more-so when we get reports he is really sickly.

 

[PatsWillWin]

It needs to be stressed again and again that the release of Bergdahl was part of a larger deal, of which we are not privy to all of the details. But the notion of a straight 5 for 1 trade, which so many people here and elsewhere are making, is apparently not accurate. So please stop arguing that "the price was too high"; you don't know everything that we paid for.

That being said, IMO even if it was a straight 5 for 1 trade, the price was not too high.

Do you factor in the lives of those who may have been lost searching for him?

In terms of this trade? No.

So where do they count if not as part of the "price"?

They are American lives that were sadly lost in a never ending war in which the results will at best be negligible. I feel terrible about them, and every soldier lost in the last 13 years. What has it all been for?But in terms of this trade discussion, not relevant.

Any one else want to chime in on this? Do people actually believe it's irrelevant?

How about you critical thinkers on the left- what say ye?

I think the lives of those six soldiers who died looking for him are on him and if what we're hearing is true, he should face the charges a soldier accused of his crimes should normally face. I don't see what it has to do with the "price" we "paid" in the trade.

ETA: Not on the left.

 

[timschochet]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

One of the main critiques against Susan Rice and Obama is that they called this guy a "hero". I think that was a big error, but it's sort of funny seeing conservatives refer to the guy as a patriot and a hero- obviously very few people knew the backstory.

And the fact that the administration should be attacked now for getting the release of a guy that conservatives demanded be released- that's too funny.

 

[timschochet]

Whatever happened to Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl? This soldier is still missing and the media stopped covering this story fast.

And perhaps we don't have to go as far as Twitter to find the hypocrisy.

 

[Hang 10]

I don't exactly know what point you are making with a bunch of partisan parrots on Twitter MT you are better than this straw man.

One of the main critiques against Susan Rice and Obama is that they called this guy a "hero". I think that was a big error, but it's sort of funny seeing conservatives refer to the guy as a patriot and a hero- obviously very few people knew the backstory.

And the fact that the administration should be attacked now for getting the release of a guy that conservatives demanded be released- that's too funny.

Citing random people on twitter is stupid no matter what point you're trying to make.

 

[avoiding injuries]

This seems like a non-issue. Yes, it's very sad and unfortunate. However, we cannot negotiate with terrorists and when he went to that part of the world he assumed the risk. Clearly this is an AQ ploy to get involved with the U.S. elections. I'm curious to see if and how the republicans make this an issue??

We'll see. I don't think they are even dumb enough to say anything here unless Obama and team were to negotiate.

Tim, are we really going to go to page 1 to find hypocrisy?

 

[timschochet]

This seems like a non-issue. Yes, it's very sad and unfortunate. However, we cannot negotiate with terrorists and when he went to that part of the world he assumed the risk. Clearly this is an AQ ploy to get involved with the U.S. elections. I'm curious to see if and how the republicans make this an issue??

We'll see. I don't think they are even dumb enough to say anything here unless Obama and team were to negotiate.

Tim, are we really going to go to page 1 to find hypocrisy?

the discussion you're quoting has nothing to do with a United States soldier.