American Sniper - Clint Eastwood's latest movie (1 Viewer)

[jon_mx]

While it's good to see the brain trust is on the case, you should know that just saying whatever you want in your comical efforts to be super deluxe troopsier than thou, doesn't make those things true. And if somebody acknowledges that, it has nothing remotely to do with that person's respect for those who serve in the military.

Not sure who you are talking to, but It would help if you spoke in normal language. I have no idea what you are saying.

I am pretty sue he said he is full of #### and is really sorry for being an ###.

 

[General Tso]

While it's good to see the brain trust is on the case, you should know that just saying whatever you want in your comical efforts to be super deluxe troopsier than thou, doesn't make those things true. And if somebody acknowledges that, it has nothing remotely to do with that person's respect for those who serve in the military.

Not sure who you are talking to, but It would help if you spoke in normal language. I have no idea what you are saying.

I know.

Dude, why the need to be so obtuse? I reacted to someone posting two items of bs in here. One, an article posted saying that Vietnam vets were never ever spit on. Not only is that patently false, it's just plain stupid to make a point like that in this thread. Second, another post made (by the same person I believe) that drew a comparison between Chris Kyle and a Nazi. Once again, a big HUH? Rather than acknowledge how ridiculous those postings were, you, sprout and Panther would rather argue a throw away line made about how veterans fought for the free speech to say those things? Your priorities in what you choose to argue about speak volumes, as does your lack of objection to some disrespectful #### being said about veterans.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think Apple Jack comes from a family of military vets, IIRC his dad was in the service.

In the past he has spoken out against how the government has misused the military and mislead the public in doing so, but I've always found him to be respectful to veterans.

Pantherclub, not so much. pfft

 

[bigbottom]

While it's good to see the brain trust is on the case, you should know that just saying whatever you want in your comical efforts to be super deluxe troopsier than thou, doesn't make those things true. And if somebody acknowledges that, it has nothing remotely to do with that person's respect for those who serve in the military.

Not sure who you are talking to, but It would help if you spoke in normal language. I have no idea what you are saying.

I know.

Dude, why the need to be so obtuse? I reacted to someone posting two items of bs in here. One, an article posted saying that Vietnam vets were never ever spit on. Not only is that patently false, it's just plain stupid to make a point like that in this thread. Second, another post made (by the same person I believe) that drew a comparison between Chris Kyle and a Nazi. Once again, a big HUH? Rather than acknowledge how ridiculous those postings were, you, sprout and Panther would rather argue a throw away line made about how veterans fought for the free speech to say those things? Your priorities in what you choose to argue about speak volumes, as does your lack of objection to some disrespectful #### being said about veterans.

I don't know that reacting to two posts by the same person logically leads to making a collective judgment regarding the radicalization of the "Left."

 

[flapgreen]

How did this guy not get the death penalty in Texas?

Hell if I know. Everyone gets the death penalty in Texas. God bless 'em!

 

[flapgreen]

I see its the same guys in here still #####ing about Kyle. Carry on.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

How about we just honor vets without making up a bunch of bull#### in an attempt to out-patriot the next guy?

 

[General Tso]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

How about we just honor vets without making up a bunch of bull#### in an attempt to out-patriot the next guy?

What bull#### was made up?

 

[Apple Jack]

I think Apple Jack comes from a family of military vets, IIRC his dad was in the service.

In the past he has spoken out against how the government has misused the military and mislead the public in doing so, but I've always found him to be respectful to veterans.

This is true. Good notebookin'.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The irony of this is that Chris Kyle and Vietnam veterans fought and died for his right to spew such nonsense.

I'm pretty positive Vietnam vets fighting in that war didn't protect our freedom of speech in doing so.

I'm pretty positive you're wrong. The primary objective was to stop the spread of Soviet style Communism which was very much anti- freedom of speech. The Domino theory proved later on to be a load of crap, but the intention of that war when it was fought was very much to protect freedom throughout the world, with the thought being that if the balance of power shifted too heavily towards the Soviets eventually it would prove to be a direct threat to our shores. It's easy to criticize that paranoid thinking in 2015, but I can assure you at the time the threat was very real. The spread of Communism into Cuba came very close to causing World War III.

oy vey^

It's true, regardless of what you think of the wars themselves our soldiers have been (among other things, like their families and their lives and survival) fighting for us, the US and our way of life, which is inherently about freedom, including the freedom of speech. They sacrifice everything.

If you think Vietnam and Iraq were about our freedoms you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

Yes we should honor vets, but I don't think every soldier is necessarily a stand up citizen or has the best of intentions in his choice to serve our country.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?

While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

You can't be serious with this bull####. I'm not a leftist/dem/lib regardless of what most of you think. Just remember, when pointing at someone, you have 3 pointing back at you.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

How about we just honor vets without making up a bunch of bull#### in an attempt to out-patriot the next guy?

Well said.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I'm fine with what Sprout Daddy has to offer. I agree that some do obsess over patriotism but those completely discounting it really miss the spirit this nation was founded and then flourished under. I am of the mindset that everyone should have pride in where they are from, on a local, regional, and national level. The degree to how much would be dependent upon a number of things, but if you've ever noticed I fervently defend Detroit, the upper Midwest and the United States.

However I'm not a flag waiver, don't tread on me type either. I believe you should have respect for those who have fought to defend your country, but I don't expect you to throw flowers at the feet of veterans either. I did multiple tours in Afghanistan and also spent time in Iraq, there were never any homecoming ceremonies or for me when I returned home. I quietly got off a military aircraft at an Air Force Base, just like most of the rest of the guys I was out there with. The first time and the last time I heard someone say, "thank you for your service" it gave me the chills. The only thing I say is "you're welcome."

I offer this greeting to those still serving, rarely mentioning I served or where I served when I do it. Because it's not about me, it's about us. It's about being American and thanking each other for what a great country we are fortunate enough to have been born in. Now if you don't want to thank the troops, I'm cool. If you think they are baby killers, well I think you're a ####### ignorant moron who has no idea what we do out there, but I'm fine with that too. All I ask for is just a little bit of respect for our vets (especially our war vets), no more and no less. It's really just a courtesy to a fellow citizen is all, you don't have to agree with what our government sent these people to do. Hell I was and am one of the biggest opponents of ever going to Iraq, but I don't blame an Army Staff Sergeant for the work of politicians and policy makers.

I've been meaning to say thank you for this sentiment. It seems you grasped the point I was trying to make.

I'd also like to offer my thanks a a citizen for your service. Much appreciated.

 

[General Tso]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?

While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

 

[General Tso]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

How about we just honor vets without making up a bunch of bull#### in an attempt to out-patriot the next guy?

Well said.

Not well said, and in need of clarification. Is this the repeated insinuation in here that Vietnam veterans were never ever spat upon? That it was all made up by the Right to garner support for the military? Here is the counterpoint to that article - http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/160444095.html

 

[joetrow]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?

While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

The longer you deny the apt comparison the longer the comparison remains true.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?

While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

The longer you deny the apt comparison the longer the comparison remains true.

Exactly.

You don't see that stance because jon, rbm, and yourself are the three stooges. I guess flap would be shemp.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

How about we just honor vets without making up a bunch of bull#### in an attempt to out-patriot the next guy?

Well said.

Not well said, and in need of clarification. Is this the repeated insinuation in here that Vietnam veterans were never ever spat upon? That it was all made up by the Right to garner support for the military? Here is the counterpoint to that article - http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/160444095.html

Reading comprehension is your friend. I'm too lazy to quote the posts necessary to validate what tGunz said. You can do your own homework.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Just to reiterate my stance, my first post just merely stated that I had no desire to see the movie. I then somehow became a US soldier hating lefty.

 

[General Tso]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?

While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

The longer you deny the apt comparison the longer the comparison remains true.

Exactly.

You don't see that stance because jon, rbm, and yourself are the three stooges. I guess flap would be shemp.

Cute. I'll spare everyone the return name calling. At least you were gracious enough to thank DD, which was pretty cool.

 

[SproutDaddy]

General,

If you're really upset with my analogy, then you need thicker skin. I don't see it any different than you calling me a liberal. Too much estrogen on these forums.

 

[General Tso]

General,

If you're really upset with my analogy, then you need thicker skin. I don't see it any different than you calling me a liberal. Too much estrogen on these forums.

Dude, to be honest I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore, which probably is a good indication that it wasn't much to begin with.

 

[popsecret]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

so true

 

[jon_mx]

I see Joe and Sprout are doubling down on stupid. As much as Apple laughed, there are at least there liberals on this thread who insist that comparing US soldiers to Nazis is a legitimate comparison. Seriously, do everyone a favor and drop the NAZI crap. . I am not sure why DD defended Sprout before, clearly a loon.

 

[Todd Andrews]

The irony of this is that Chris Kyle and Vietnam veterans fought and died for his right to spew such nonsense.

I'm pretty positive Vietnam vets fighting in that war didn't protect our freedom of speech in doing so.

I'm pretty positive you're wrong. The primary objective was to stop the spread of Soviet style Communism which was very much anti- freedom of speech. The Domino theory proved later on to be a load of crap, but the intention of that war when it was fought was very much to protect freedom throughout the world, with the thought being that if the balance of power shifted too heavily towards the Soviets eventually it would prove to be a direct threat to our shores. It's easy to criticize that paranoid thinking in 2015, but I can assure you at the time the threat was very real. The spread of Communism into Cuba came very close to causing World War III.

oy vey^

It's true, regardless of what you think of the wars themselves our soldiers have been (among other things, like their families and their lives and survival) fighting for us, the US and our way of life, which is inherently about freedom, including the freedom of speech. They sacrifice everything.

You think our soldiers were fighting for our freedoms and way of life in Iraq?

And the fact that they sacrifice everything has no bearing on whether they are fighting for our freedoms. Those are two separate things and shouldnt be connected in a effort to blur lines.

And I think we have to separate these guys from the policies that put them there. I don't think the guys that fought in Iraq or Vietnam or Afghanistan were any different from the guys who fought in WW2 or WW1 or the Civil War or any of the other myriad wars our guys have sadly been put into. We may change from generation to generation but basically our soldiers are good people. The whole thing's tragic, it always is.

Of course. So dont create false reasons to honor our soldiers--there are enough incredibly valid reasons to honor them--where they are fighting for bad reasons in the wrong places. Claiming that our military is always fighting for our "freedoms" and "way of life" is ridiculous and simplistic and sounds like something someone who thinks putting a yellow ribbon on their car makes them a patriotic troop supporter might say. When you do that, you are conflating the soldiers and the policies that put them there.

 

[General Tso]

It's important to distinguish "the military" from the individual soldiers who serve. Would expect more people to understand that.

 

[joetrow]

It's important to distinguish "the military" from the individual soldiers who serve. Would expect more people to understand that.

Agreed, we can blame policy makers all we want, but it is the individuals who carry out a given policy who are ultimately to blame.

 

[General Tso]

Joetroll spewing his daily venom against the troops. Takes a special kind of idiot to do that.

 

[Gr00vus]

Joetroll spewing his daily venom against the troops. Takes a special kind of idiot to do that.

Please do us all a favor and spit out the bait.

 

[General Tso]

Joetroll spewing his daily venom against the troops. Takes a special kind of idiot to do that.

Please do us all a favor and spit out the bait.

you're right.

 

[joetrow]

Joetroll spewing his daily venom against the troops. Takes a special kind of idiot to do that.

Please do us all a favor and spit out the bait.

Oh please, just because someone thinks in a way which you can't relate does not mean they are fishing. Lets take this statement out of the context of our sacred military and instead apply it as a general statement about authoritarian rule:

we can blame policy makers all we want, but it is the individuals who carry out a given policy who are ultimately to blame.

Is it still disagreeable?

 

[SproutDaddy]

I see Joe and Sprout are doubling down on stupid. As much as Apple laughed, there are at least there liberals on this thread who insist that comparing US soldiers to Nazis is a legitimate comparison. Seriously, do everyone a favor and drop the NAZI crap. . I am not sure why DD defended Sprout before, clearly a loon.

I didn't bring up the Nazi crap.DD gets my stance. Your dumb ### continues to create a false representation of my statements. I'm positive 99% of the people reading this thread sees who the stupid one is. You're no stranger to stupidity around here. Just ask everyone.

 

[RBM]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

The longer you deny the apt comparison the longer the comparison remains true.

Exactly. You don't see that stance because jon, rbm, and yourself are the three stooges. I guess flap would be shemp.

Keep me out of this you ####### doosh.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Keep me out of this you ####### doosh.

 

[flapgreen]

Wtf

 

[SproutDaddy]

Keep me out of this you ####### doosh.

Yeah, I'm the one who brought him into this. He called me an assbag yet he's the one wanting to commit genocide in the Isis thread. He reminds me of the soldier in Full Metal Jacket in the helicopter opening fire on the Vietnamese farmers.

 

[jon_mx]

complete meltdown coming in 10....9.....8.....7.....6......

 

[SproutDaddy]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

You aren't that bright either.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

You aren't that bright either.

Opinions are like #######s. .......we all have one.Care to reference my lack of intelligence?

 

[popsecret]

sprout... relax, holy wow

 

[Stinger Ray]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

You aren't that bright either.

Opinions are like #######s. .......we all have one.Care to reference my lack of intelligence?

 

[Shawnky]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

You aren't that bright either.

Opinions are like #######s. .......we all have one.Care to reference my lack of intelligence?

Great job reinforcing your opinion.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

You aren't that bright either.

Opinions are like #######s. .......we all have one.Care to reference my lack of intelligence?

Great job reinforcing your opinion.

My is reinforced....thanks

 

[Shawnky]

sprout... relax, holy wow

Says the guy who threatened suicide on here.

 

[Shawnky]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

You aren't that bright either.

Opinions are like #######s. .......we all have one.Care to reference my lack of intelligence?

Great job reinforcing your opinion.

My is reinforced....thanks

So you have nothing.

 

[popsecret]

What Shawnky listens to when posting in this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHOF_0-6Hg

 

[jon_mx]

Jon you're not a very perceptive fellow.

Me? You come into this thread not seeing the movie but yet getting your panties in a bind about a comment I made about several people in this thread who hate the movie. There have been people in this thread who have stated that Americans and in particular Chris Kyle just go around and willing kill innocent people including innocent women and children. There are several who have branded American soldiers as too stupid to do anything else. And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's. You apparently have neither seen the movie or read this thread, because you seem to be defending some very stupid ####. Instead of directly addressing my targeted criticism directed at very specific posts/posters, you come in and get offended about stuff that was not addressed to you and start throwing out personal insults. Yes, that is being an ignorant ### and RBM was correct when he called you out. And anyone who really believes it is appropriate to compare American troops to nazi's is a real doosh.

Now I have been very specific about my criticism. You on the other hand have thrown out numerous personal insults without being able to articulate any intelligent thought or rationale to back it up. And yet when other posters Infult you, you insist that they back it up with specifics. That is extremely hypocritical based on your performance here You have some serious issues.