American Sniper - Clint Eastwood's latest movie (2 Viewers)

[BustedKnuckles]

the mind is a terrible thing.........

 

[TwinTurbo]

The weird part of this movie experience was when the film was over there was not a sound in the theater. Everyone slowly and quietly got up and left the theater. I did not hear one peep out of a soul until after everyone walked through the lobby and were outside. A very well done and very good movie.

BTW....Anyone who thinks serving in the military in a combat zone for four tours is tyring 'to suckkle from the proverbial government teet' needs to head out to the closest biker bar and spout their mouth off. ETA: I will buy the first few rounds of drinks.

I'm not surprized to see a Chris Kyle bot advocate violence over a philosphical disagreement... And I await your briliant objective deduction as to who can and cannot take money from my pocket and be considered a 'teet sucker'.

It's very difficult to take your participation in a philosophical discussion seriously when you misspell an average of 3 words per sentence.

 

[Jack White]

Feature films are fiction, even when they're based on a real person.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america

 

[gump]

$247M in 2 weeks...

 

[Chase Stuart]

Feature films are fiction, even when they're based on a real person.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america

I mean, I really liked Argo. I'll admit that once I realized how removed from reality it was, it took something away from the movie for me. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a really entertaining piece of cinema.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Feature films are fiction, even when they're based on a real person.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america

1. It shows Chris Kyle's response to the 9/11 attacks - which was to enlist.

2. The Mustafa thing is a stretch, but he's really an avatar for Kyle's angst and it gives the audience something to focus on to better understand the story.

3. It doesn't show him as tormented by his actions. It shows him tormented that he couldn't do more to protect his guys. Did they even WATCH the movie?

4. So the film didn't lie about it, like the header of the article implies. So the article is lying about what the movie is lying about?

5. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

6. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

7. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

It should have been entitled "Two things I whiffed on, one exaggeration in the movie, and four things I don't like about Chris Kyle".

 

[jon_mx]

Feature films are fiction, even when they're based on a real person.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america

I mean, I really liked Argo. I'll admit that once I realized how removed from reality it was, it took something away from the movie for me. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a really entertaining piece of cinema.

This movie was closer to reality than Argo. Certainly there were things that were dramatized and the story line of the Kyle vs. the Butcher was mostly a creation. But the movie does capture real emotions and situations soldiers are in. The tragedy of his death was very real. The emotions of what he and his family have to go through is real. The type of split second decisions that must be made on the battlefield are real. The dangers and fears of a battlefield are very real. By Hollywood standards, this is about as real as it gets. This is a movie, not a documentary.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'll agree though that I don't like when a movie takes liberties with the real story.

The Social Network, for example, is hard for me to enjoy because so much of it is pure fiction.

 

[bigbottom]

Feature films are fiction, even when they're based on a real person.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america

1. It shows Chris Kyle's response to the 9/11 attacks - which was to enlist.

2. The Mustafa thing is a stretch, but he's really an avatar for Kyle's angst and it gives the audience something to focus on to better understand the story.

3. It doesn't show him as tormented by his actions. It shows him tormented that he couldn't do more to protect his guys. Did they even WATCH the movie?

4. So the film didn't lie about it, like the header of the article implies. So the article is lying about what the movie is lying about?

5. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

6. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

7. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

It should have been entitled "Two things I whiffed on, one exaggeration in the movie, and four things I don't like about Chris Kyle".

Generally agree, with a few tweaks.

1. Kyle had already enlisted at the time of the 9/11 attacks, both in the movie and in real life. In the movie, he enlisted after seeing footage of the U.S. embassy bombings in 1998. But in real life, that wasn't his motivation for enlisting (he'd actually tried to enlist a couple years earlier but had been turned down due to some injuries). Still, the article does whiff in asserting that the film has "lied" by cutting from Chris watching the 9/11 footage on tv, to showing him in Iraq. That's less a "lie" than it is simply a criticism of our misguided foreign policy with respect to Iraq. After all, 9/11 was used by a whole bunch of politicians at the time to drum up support for the Iraq war.

2. The sniper vs. sniper storyline appears to be mostly fabricated. I think it's fair to take issue with that.

3. I agree that the article misses the mark by suggesting that Chris was "tormented by his actions." The exchange with the guy who takes him around the VA drives that point home pretty well. What it does portray is that Chris had difficulties adjusting to life back home. Whether or not that was the case in real life, I don't know, but the article's criticism is off base.

4. - 7. Agree 100%. These events weren't covered in the movie. Not "lies" by any reasonable definition of the word. I guess you could argue that their omission fails to give an accurate picture of Chris as a person, but they're not "lies." A prime example of going for the attention-grabbing headline and then falling on your face (with the exception of #2).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Kyle had already enlisted at the time of the 9/11 attacks, both in the movie and in real life. In the movie, he enlisted after seeing footage of the U.S. embassy bombings in 1998. But in real life, that wasn't his motivation for enlisting (he'd actually tried to enlist a couple years earlier but had been turned down due to some injuries). Still, the article does whiff in asserting that the film has "lied" by cutting from Chris watching the 9/11 footage on tv, to showing him in Iraq. That's less a "lie" than it is simply a criticism of our misguided foreign policy with respect to Iraq. After all, 9/11 was used by a whole bunch of politicians at the time to drumm up support for the Iraq war.

Ah, that's right. Showing him watching the 9/11 attacks showed that he knew what was coming next in his life.

 

[tommyboy]

I'm just glad we have people like Kyle that are willing to fight on our behalf. The world sucks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm just glad we have people like Kyle that are willing to fight on our behalf. The world sucks.

Exactly.

Of course, I was the guy that sort of agreed with Col. Jessup in "A Few Good Men".

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

Doesn't mean you get to murder someone or perjure yourself, but I agree with the sentiment.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I've noticed a correlation between people that dislike Kyle but are supportive of Bergdahl. Weird

 

[Smack Tripper]

Feature films are fiction, even when they're based on a real person.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america

1. It shows Chris Kyle's response to the 9/11 attacks - which was to enlist.

2. The Mustafa thing is a stretch, but he's really an avatar for Kyle's angst and it gives the audience something to focus on to better understand the story.

3. It doesn't show him as tormented by his actions. It shows him tormented that he couldn't do more to protect his guys. Did they even WATCH the movie?

4. So the film didn't lie about it, like the header of the article implies. So the article is lying about what the movie is lying about?

5. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

6. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

7. Again, not a thing that the movie lied about.

It should have been entitled "Two things I whiffed on, one exaggeration in the movie, and four things I don't like about Chris Kyle".

I actually thought he was in before 9/11... he was with this girlfriend when he saw it... now did he react that strongly to the Yemeni bombings?

EDIT : just saw this was covered

 

[The General]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

 

[On The Rocks]

I'm just glad we have people like Kyle that are willing to fight on our behalf. The world sucks.

Exactly.

Of course, I was the guy that sort of agreed with Col. Jessup in "A Few Good Men".

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

Doesn't mean you get to murder someone or perjure yourself, but I agree with the sentiment.

I've said this all along too....And the more I see this movie the more I love the Jessup character and that speech.

Of course the "walls" seem to be disappearing.

 

[pantherclub]

I'm just glad we have people like Kyle that are willing to fight on our behalf. The world sucks.

he didn't really need to fight on our behalf.

 

[saintfool]

I'll agree though that I don't like when a movie takes liberties with the real story.

The Social Network, for example, is hard for me to enjoy because so much of it is pure fiction.

Brenda Song should be enough reason for you to enjoy it.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

I do have to say that we all know this works both way.

I remember when "Milk" came out there was a lot of backlash because they ignored the stories about Milk being a "chicken hawk" or whatever.

Martin Luther King and JFK were philanderers, John Lennon hit women etc etc.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'll agree though that I don't like when a movie takes liberties with the real story.

The Social Network, for example, is hard for me to enjoy because so much of it is pure fiction.

Brenda Song should be enough reason for you to enjoy it.

I liked it. But it felt like it was bordering on slander.

 

[Smack Tripper]

It seems to me that this guy missed the point entirely.

I'm a big fan of Taibbi and think he has done and continues to do very important work.... and for a guy I held in high esteem, this seems like a wingnut contribution...

I had never really considered him in any sort of partisan terms, he seemed pretty even keeled and absorbed things more substanitively than just looking at this as left vs right but i can't help but think his piece is grounded in some sort of liberal sour grapes.

The most important thing in film critique in my opinion and I've said it here elsewhere is to evaluate what has been made, not what YOU would have done. If you wanted to tell the story of national policy in line with this film, Matt, maybe you should have made your own movie.

This movie refreshingly, I say as a left leaning centrist, devoid of the same circle jerk commentary about our "place" in these conflicts and simply deals with the conflict on a human level. Iraqis are not "humanized" ? Welcome to the war...welcome to the perspective of Kyle.... and the movie does not ignore it... this is Chris Kyles story but we see a direct pararrell established with the enemy sniper, who is home in his apartment, with HIS baby at the same time as Kyle's wife is giving birth. He is not just a killing machine. This character, in the brief glimpse we get, was as proud of his national experience or cultural experience or what have you as Kyle, had hopes and dreams beyond it, and was doing what he saw as being right.

I never saw Kyle dissecting the experience as right vs. wrong, but rather me vs. you, which in any way, whichever side you fall on, is ultimately always YOUR side... live and if someone has to die to let you keep living, so be it.

The backlash to this film is so petty is embarassing frankly... it really registers as liberals not being happy that a movie that paints soliders in a positive, nuanced, rounded light is succeeding.

And please, Im not trying to make this partisan, I can and have villified the right wing media for petty, stupid attacks on liberal things.

It just kind of shows me in both respects the sad, giant divide of the two Americas we exist in now.

 

[The General]

It seems to me that this guy missed the point entirely.

I'm a big fan of Taibbi and think he has done and continues to do very important work.... and for a guy I held in high esteem, this seems like wingnut contribution...

I had never really considered him in any sort of partisan terms, he seemed pretty even keeled and absorbed things more substanitively than just looking at this as left vs right but i can't help but think his piece is grounded in some sort of liberal sour grapes.

The most important thing in film critique in my opinion and I've said it here elsewhere is to evaluate what has been made, not what YOU would have done. If you wanted to tell the story of national policy in line with this film, Matt, maybe you should have made your own movie. T

This movie is refreshingly, I say as a left leaning centrist, devoid of the same circle jerk commentary about our "place" in these conflicts and simply deals with the conflict on a human level. Iraquis are not "humanized" ? Welcome to the war...welcome to the perspective of Kyle.... and the movie does not ignore it... this is Chris Kyles story but we see a direct pararrell established with the enemy sniper, who is home in his apartment, with HIS baby at the same time as Kyle's wife is giving birth. He is not just a killing machine. This character, in the brief glimpse we get, was as proud of his national experience as Kyle, had hopes and dreams beyond it, and was doing what he saw as being right.

I never saw Kyle dissecting the experience as right vs. wrong, but rather me vs. you, which in any way, whichever side you fall on, is ultimately always YOUR side... live and if someone has to die to let you keep living, so be it.

The backlash to this film is so petty is embarassing frankly... it really registers as liberals not being happy that a movie that paints soliders in a positive, nuanced, rounded light is succeeding.

And please, Im not trying to make this partisan, I can and have villified the right wing media for petty, stupid attacks on liberal things.

It just kind of shows me in both respects the sad, giant divide of the two Americas we exist in now.

Really great post. Couldn't agree more with what you wrote.

I love that angry Taibbi guy on most things, good read. Didn't get his point on this one.

 

[rockaction]

It seems to me that this guy missed the point entirely.

I'm a big fan of Taibbi and think he has done and continues to do very important work.... and for a guy I held in high esteem, this seems like a wingnut contribution...

I had never really considered him in any sort of partisan terms, he seemed pretty even keeled and absorbed things more substanitively than just looking at this as left vs right but i can't help but think his piece is grounded in some sort of liberal sour grapes.

The most important thing in film critique in my opinion and I've said it here elsewhere is to evaluate what has been made, not what YOU would have done. If you wanted to tell the story of national policy in line with this film, Matt, maybe you should have made your own movie.

This movie refreshingly, I say as a left leaning centrist, devoid of the same circle jerk commentary about our "place" in these conflicts and simply deals with the conflict on a human level. Iraqis are not "humanized" ? Welcome to the war...welcome to the perspective of Kyle.... and the movie does not ignore it... this is Chris Kyles story but we see a direct pararrell established with the enemy sniper, who is home in his apartment, with HIS baby at the same time as Kyle's wife is giving birth. He is not just a killing machine. This character, in the brief glimpse we get, was as proud of his national experience or cultural experience or what have you as Kyle, had hopes and dreams beyond it, and was doing what he saw as being right.

I never saw Kyle dissecting the experience as right vs. wrong, but rather me vs. you, which in any way, whichever side you fall on, is ultimately always YOUR side... live and if someone has to die to let you keep living, so be it.

The backlash to this film is so petty is embarassing frankly... it really registers as liberals not being happy that a movie that paints soliders in a positive, nuanced, rounded light is succeeding.

And please, Im not trying to make this partisan, I can and have villified the right wing media for petty, stupid attacks on liberal things.

It just kind of shows me in both respects the sad, giant divide of the two Americas we exist in now.

With due respect, I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. This has been going on for a long time within the arts.

Heck, one of the greatest movies of all time, "On The Waterfront," was Elia Kazan's metaphor about testifying before HUAC and outing the communists in Hollywood. He likened them to the lynch mob labor union you see in the picture. So…I'm not sure America is any worse off now than it was about sixty years ago. And the left is still pissed at Kazan. Like, really pissed.

 

[tommyboy]

I'm just glad we have people like Kyle that are willing to fight on our behalf. The world sucks.

he didn't really need to fight on our behalf.

go on...

 

[popsecret]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

 

[Smack Tripper]

It seems to me that this guy missed the point entirely.

I'm a big fan of Taibbi and think he has done and continues to do very important work.... and for a guy I held in high esteem, this seems like a wingnut contribution...

I had never really considered him in any sort of partisan terms, he seemed pretty even keeled and absorbed things more substanitively than just looking at this as left vs right but i can't help but think his piece is grounded in some sort of liberal sour grapes.

The most important thing in film critique in my opinion and I've said it here elsewhere is to evaluate what has been made, not what YOU would have done. If you wanted to tell the story of national policy in line with this film, Matt, maybe you should have made your own movie.

This movie refreshingly, I say as a left leaning centrist, devoid of the same circle jerk commentary about our "place" in these conflicts and simply deals with the conflict on a human level. Iraqis are not "humanized" ? Welcome to the war...welcome to the perspective of Kyle.... and the movie does not ignore it... this is Chris Kyles story but we see a direct pararrell established with the enemy sniper, who is home in his apartment, with HIS baby at the same time as Kyle's wife is giving birth. He is not just a killing machine. This character, in the brief glimpse we get, was as proud of his national experience or cultural experience or what have you as Kyle, had hopes and dreams beyond it, and was doing what he saw as being right.

I never saw Kyle dissecting the experience as right vs. wrong, but rather me vs. you, which in any way, whichever side you fall on, is ultimately always YOUR side... live and if someone has to die to let you keep living, so be it.

The backlash to this film is so petty is embarassing frankly... it really registers as liberals not being happy that a movie that paints soliders in a positive, nuanced, rounded light is succeeding.

And please, Im not trying to make this partisan, I can and have villified the right wing media for petty, stupid attacks on liberal things.

It just kind of shows me in both respects the sad, giant divide of the two Americas we exist in now.

With due respect, I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. This has been going on for a long time within the arts.

Heck, one of the greatest movies of all time, "On The Waterfront," was Elia Kazan's metaphor about testifying before HUAC and outing the communists in Hollywood. Heck, he likened them to the lynch mob labor union you see in the picture. So…I'm not sure America is any worse off now than it was about sixty years ago. And the left is still pissed at Kazan. Like, really pissed.

Yes, but there are layers to that too... Hollywood has long been a protectionist industry, they create product and live in a bubble. Kazan had the double whammy of being an east coast filmmaker embracing almost a proto-realism that would emerge with Italian and French cinema of the 50's and 60's... and coupled with that set and sensibility, you have Brando as his instrument for change which redefined acting and presentation on screen and that wasn't good business for the star system. His work sent a shockwave that was major blow to Hollywood (in addition to the birth of television). It was actors influenced by Brando and Kazan though that redefined a very product oriented model.

So while the HUAC stuff is certainly part of his unpopular nature, but it was a good salespoint to attack the guy

 

[SproutDaddy]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

Maybe he is. None of us were there. If he did in fact kill women and children then yes, he very much is. That would also apply to many other soldiers.

You might not agree with Moore, but that is simply just your opinion. STill, he's much more successful than you'll ever be.

 

[jon_mx]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

Maybe he is. None of us were there. If he did in fact kill women and children then yes, he very much is. That would also apply to many other soldiers. You might not agree with Moore, but that is simply just your opinion. STill, he's much more successful than you'll ever be.

What if the woman had a grenade launcher aimed at his fellow soldiers? Grown women do not get a pass.

 

[tommyboy]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

Maybe he is. None of us were there. If he did in fact kill women and children then yes, he very much is. That would also apply to many other soldiers.

You might not agree with Moore, but that is simply just your opinion. STill, he's much more successful than you'll ever be.

based on his divorce proceedings, I wouldn't call him successful, at all.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

Maybe he is. None of us were there. If he did in fact kill women and children then yes, he very much is. That would also apply to many other soldiers.

You might not agree with Moore, but that is simply just your opinion. STill, he's much more successful than you'll ever be.

Just too black and white simplistic. If you haven't seen the movie, you should reserve judgement and if you have, given the scenario outlined where that occurs, I don't really see an alternative.

 

[jon_mx]

In real life, he claims he shot a woman aiming an RPG. He claims he spotted on a kid who was retrieving ammunition, but was only interested in seeing who was responsible for telling the kid to do it. He did not think about shooting.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

Maybe he is. None of us were there. If he did in fact kill women and children then yes, he very much is. That would also apply to many other soldiers.

You might not agree with Moore, but that is simply just your opinion. STill, he's much more successful than you'll ever be.

Just too black and white simplistic. If you haven't seen the movie, you should reserve judgement and if you have, given the scenario outlined where that occurs, I don't really see an alternative.

I haven't seen the movie, and I don't really have a desire to. It just doesn't interest me. Maybe I'll spend $1.50 at Redbox when it comes out. But where did I place judgement? I was only responding to the comments before mine.

 

[jon_mx]

Let the back peddling begin.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

 

[jon_mx]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

. You called him a coward. Sounds pretty judgemental.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

.You called him a coward. Sounds pretty judgemental.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

 

[jon_mx]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

.You called him a coward. Sounds pretty judgemental.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

It is exactly what you said. He has admitted to killing a women who was firing an RPG. By your words he is a coward.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Finally saw this. Good movie, with some great scenes. Huge Clint fan and hate to admit he may have slipped a touch. Still love that guy though.

Don't like that writers deviated so much from the book, story was good enough to not have to do that. Much like the end of Lone Survivor.

People raging on Chris Kyle, congrats. Of course you can be critical of people but many have been way to ####ty about it IMO. Typing in your underwear on your laptop you are not the truth seeker you think you are. Guy wasn't perfect, nobody is.

but but michael moore called him a coward, that 400 pound loser couldn't be wrong!!

Maybe he is. None of us were there. If he did in fact kill women and children then yes, he very much is. That would also apply to many other soldiers.

You might not agree with Moore, but that is simply just your opinion. STill, he's much more successful than you'll ever be.

based on his divorce proceedings, I wouldn't call him successful, at all.

And Em is?

 

[SproutDaddy]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

.You called him a coward. Sounds pretty judgemental.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

It is exactly what you said. He has admitted to killing a women who was firing an RPG. By your words he is a coward.

I didn't read his book. I've never seen an interview. If you say in fact he has admitted to this, then yes I'll say he is a coward. Call me judgmental. I'm not alone. Welcome to the internet.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

.You called him a coward. Sounds pretty judgemental.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

It is exactly what you said. He has admitted to killing a women who was firing an RPG. By your words he is a coward.

I didn't read his book. I've never seen an interview. If you say in fact he has admitted to this, then yes I'll say he is a coward. Call me judgmental. I'm not alone. Welcome to the internet.

I'm curious why you'd be in page 6 of the thread about this movie if you haven't seen it, have no desire to, haven't read his book and never saw an interview. And to come in with such a strong opinion as well. You're right...the internet...

 

[jon_mx]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

 

[joetrow]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

How can one be the aggresor and defender at the same time?

 

[The General]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

How can one be the aggresor and defender at the same time?

Wow. So deep.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Let the back peddling begin.

I take it that was directed towards me. Care to point out where that happened.

.You called him a coward. Sounds pretty judgemental.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

It is exactly what you said. He has admitted to killing a women who was firing an RPG. By your words he is a coward.

I didn't read his book. I've never seen an interview. If you say in fact he has admitted to this, then yes I'll say he is a coward. Call me judgmental. I'm not alone. Welcome to the internet.

I'm curious why you'd be in page 6 of the thread about this movie if you haven't seen it, have no desire to, haven't read his book and never saw an interview. And to come in with such a strong opinion as well. You're right...the internet...

What's the point of having an opinion if it isn't strong and youre not afraid to defend it? Am I not entitled to that? This movie has sparked quite a few interesting bar conversations over the past couple of weeks. I was called "unamerican" by someone just because I had no interest in seeing it. Of course I've been following this thread to read opinions about it considering it this. I didn't realize there were rules here concerning when I was allowed to post.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

So you can confirm this is what happened? I don't seen the point of twisting my words to fit your agenda in disagreeing with me.

 

[jon_mx]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

How can one be the aggresor and defender at the same time?

Wow. So deep.

It is getting deep alright.

 

[jon_mx]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

So you can confirm this is what happened? I don't seen the point of twisting my words to fit your agenda in disagreeing with me.

That is what his story was (except it was an RPG, much deadlier than a gun), so I am not twisting words. If you think he was lying, that is on you.

 

[joetrow]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

How can one be the aggresor and defender at the same time?

Wow. So deep.

Thanks. Just to make sure I understand your position; I decide to rob a gas station, I pull a gun on the clerk, she pulls one on me, shooting her will be 'defending' myself?

 

[MaxThreshold]

I suppose if a woman was pointing a gun at someone, it is cowardly to defend oneself. Yeah, says the iToughguy.

How can one be the aggresor and defender at the same time?

Wow. So deep.

Thanks. Just to make sure I understand your position; I decide to rob a gas station, I pull a gun on the clerk, she pulls one on me, shooting her will be 'defending' myself?

You can't be serious. You do understand the difference between WAR and a strong armed robbery, right? Have you ever served? If you did you wouldn't make stupid statements like this.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

This is one of the dumbest conversations I've ever seen on this board.

And if I'M saying this you know it has to be bad.