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America's #1 Problem: Diabetes up 4x in 3 decades (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Footballguy
Diabetes Quadruples!

We can squawk about North Korea and Iran, shake our head at politics, cringe at new NFL rules being passed...but the real challenge in this country might just be the consumption of sugar. It is everywhere folks. I've lost weight in the last couple months and mainly thru eliminating sugar or as much of it outside of fresh fruit from my diet. When I used the fitness pal app it was easy to see that I don't mass consume calories or eat all that much but it was what I was eating, when I was eating, how often I was eating these sugar filled foods. 

I'm sorry but fast food is loaded with stuff you can't get around. Folks think their cute by having a 1,000 calorie snack meal form there and then eating a salad or something later and staying within proximity of their calorie goals...bad idea. And I hate to be a PSA guy but pretty much the entire grocery store outside of the produce department(which is more and more being shoved to the back of stores so you have to walk far to find the healthy stuff) is terrible for you...and of course the meat department to stock up on all that boneless skinless chicken you will be eating. 

I hear about walls, trade, hourly wages, foreign opinions on religion and such...very little from these candidates about the importance of health. Give Obama and Michelle their due, they've tried to lead by example and make people aware of how important health is to their well being. I don't credit Pres BO with much but he has tried to encourage people to eat right. 

People's health impacts all of us. I am starting to understand why some thin people resent the chubbies. Granted there are exceptions but it is not common or normal for men to be carrying between 30-50+ lbs over what they should be. Again there are exceptions but a lot of guys feel that because they carry a good amount of muscle they should get a pass for the amount of fat they carry with it. These are the dudes who say "I'm just a big bone dude, I'm not built to be 200 lbs"...look around and ask how many Senior Citizen men in relatively good health are carrying anything close to 250-300 lbs, common sense will tell you lean and even thin is the way to go. I know guys like to feel strong but some of us are not really made to carry a lot of weight but we do anyways.

I've cut out sugar in the form of cookies and candy bars and all that processed stuff, also have 86'd white bread and almost all baked goods with the exception of dry rye toast with breakfast a couple times a week. I get most of my whole grains thru either a Cascadian Farms style cereal or WW pasta which I love. And yes I have started limiting my fav food which is pizza and the first week I swear I had the shakes but eventually you lose your craving for a lot of these things to the point you could pass on it if someone puts it in front of you. 

We have the war on drugs, war on cancer, how about the war on sugar? Pretty sure if we could reduce consumption by half the country would be a lot better for it. Maybe Making America Great needs a different leader. Perhaps they need to dust off Richard Simmons and have him run as VP for the GOP in November. This is a topic that should be one BOTH parties can get behind. 

 
Christo is ahead of the curve imo. It's reached the point now that the media just said #### it, and you've got manatees on the cover of Glamour and the SI swimsuit issue. If you're into fat chicks, the world is a big sweaty, smelly buffet.

 
Christo is ahead of the curve imo. It's reached the point now that the media just said #### it, and you've got manatees on the cover of Glamour and the SI swimsuit issue. If you're into fat chicks, the world is a big sweaty, smelly buffet.
Women should be plump and voluptuous, it's us men that need to get lean. 

 
I'm all for curvy and voluptuous, but there's a point where it gets unappealing. If you slapped Melissa McCarthy's ### last week, that thing would still be jiggling.

 
I'm all for curvy and voluptuous, but there's a point where it gets unappealing. If you slapped Melissa McCarthy's ### last week, that thing would still be jiggling.
It's about ratio, if the boobies n buns are round and curve in at the waist some, we're good. 

I think full figure describes what I like be it a size 8, 12, or 16. 

 
Women now are fatter than men in the US so they are clearly listening.  
The point is Culdeus...whether you like em thick or thin, if you the MAN are trim or lean, your chances of snagging whatever you are attracted to will go way up. 

 
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Man, the fat dude I saw at the pizza shop today was a 500 pounder easily. He won't last more than another 10 years I figure. I don't remember him coming to the counter so I guess he was only able to get thru the door and sit at the first seat. He's walking diabetes. Man there are a #### load of fat people out there.

Little word of advice. Got high sugar, high cholesterol, etc? Bragg's Apple Cidar Vinegar 2-3 times a day, 2 tablespoons per 8-10 oz water and you will be gold. #### those statins. Those will #### you up.

Got pissing problems from an enlarged prostate? 3-4 saw palmetto pills per day will work as well as any pissing drug they prescribe.

 
A problem any individual can solve themselves, is the #1 problem in America?

No.  

Don't be a fat slob.  Don't eat garbage.  Problem solved.  

 
I jokingly replied in the the "Why is America failing?" thread with "It started with the advent of modern deep frying 100 years ago.". I was actually only half-joking.

 
Our healthcare systems is very excited to help fix this major problem by prescribing medication that will help the pharmaceutical make billions in profits, when all that needs to happen is people just need to eat better.

America!  #### yea!

 
our for-profit healthcare systems doesn't care if we are healthy or not.  There's no money in prevention.

 
I've always said your tax rate should be your body fat %.  Can't go lower than 10 for men and 20/2=10 for women.   

That solves everything

 
Diabetes is genetic for many, so this is an oversimplification of the problem. 
I certainly don't want to downplay anyone's sickness, apologies if I came across as insensitive.  

The premise that sugar is America's #1 problem is the dumbest thing I will read today.  And I am a regular in the Trump thread.

 
then there is this..

The good news is that type 2 diabetes is largely preventable. About 9 cases in 10 could be avoided by taking several simple steps: keeping weight under control, exercising more, eating a healthy diet, and not smoking.
So.....move out of the continental US?

 
then there is this..

The good news is that type 2 diabetes is largely preventable. About 9 cases in 10 could be avoided by taking several simple steps: keeping weight under control, exercising more, eating a healthy diet, and not smoking.
You just said type II is not genetic, which is untrue.  I have a neighbor with Type II what weighs all of 150 pounds, and has all his life.  It is certainly preventable for many, but it is also unavoidable for others. 

In general, if you have type 2 diabetes, the risk of your child getting diabetes is 1 in 7 if you were diagnosed before age 50 and 1 in 13 if you were diagnosed after age 50. Some scientists believe that a child's risk is greater when the parent with type 2 diabetes is the mother. If both you and your partner have type 2 diabetes, your child's risk is about 1 in 2. People with certain rare types of type 2 diabetes have different risks. If you have the rare form called maturity-onset diabetes of the young (MODY), your child has almost a 1-in-2 chance of getting it, too.

 
Ok then, the 8-14% of people for which its genetic don't have to pay more.   Just the non-genetic heavies.  Or maybe the genetic heavies still pay more but not as much.  They can blame their parents for being heavy and polluting the gene pool.  

 
Preschoolers averaging 1,200 to 1,400 calories per day should limit added sugar to about 4 teaspoons (16 grams) per day. Children ages 4 to 8 who average 1,600 calories per day should limit added sugar to about 3teaspoons (12 grams) a day.



This is pretty much impossible for parents.  Good luck keeping a 4-8yo under 12 grams of sugar.

 
Refined sugar consumption (including wheat flours) and a near lack of real meaningful muscular exercise. The 'exercise' many people do (light walking, jogging, recreational bike riding, tennis etc...) does very little to help regulate blood sugar. Generations ago when work was manual in mature our bodies were naturally dumping glycogen from our muscles on a regular basis. Now most white collar workers also avoid strength training which is a bad way to go. 

 
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our for-profit healthcare systems doesn't care if we are healthy or not.  There's no money in prevention.
Healthcare is slowly being pulled in this direction for hospitals and doctors.  You can bet whatever changes there are though, Rx, device, and insurance companies will continue to generate generous profits.

 
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This is pretty much impossible for parents.  Good luck keeping a 4-8yo under 12 grams of sugar.
Looking at your quote which of course is gone from my reply (great feature), what's considered an "added" sugar? 12 grams of sugar in a cup of milk.  Is that considered added?

 
Refined sugar consumption (including wheat flours) and a near lack of real meaningful muscular exercise. The 'exercise' many people do (light walking, jogging, recreational bike riding, tennis etc...) does very little to help regulate blood sugar. Generations ago when work was manual in mature our bodies were naturally dumping glycogen from our muscles on a regular basis. Now most white collar workers also avoid strength training which is a bad way to go. 
Light exercise works pretty well for me, based on the readings I get before and after. OTOH, I'm a fat load, so maybe 30 minutes on the treadmill at 3.2 mph with a 2% grade is actually fairly strenuous. 

:oldunsure:

:lmao:

 
Looking at your quote which of course is gone from my reply (great feature), what's considered an "added" sugar? 12 grams of sugar in a cup of milk.  Is that considered added?
Usually not, the milk lobby has typically been able to get special carve outs for lactose in these guidelines.  

 
I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 5 years or so ago - early 50s.  No family history, I have been very physically active most all of my life but did do less starting in my mid-40s.  Mostly due to a heavy work/travel schedule.  I ate lots of rich foods on the road, drank heavily and ran hard.  Went from mid-160s to low 190s at my high point (5'9").  Been maintaining 181-187 the last couple of years but just not eating as much.  

I have always drank pretty heavily and smoked - not heavily but maybe a couple packs a week (smoke mostly when drinking).  

I am not a big vegetable guy, never have been and I am better about what I eat, but don't watch that closely.  I love red meat, lunchmeat sandwiches, potato chips, butter, bacon, pizza, burgers. 

I have backed off drinking nearly as much as I used to and finally started (this week) walking for an hour a day (on day 3) and my right knee hurts like hell and the shin splits are raising their ugly heads.  Ready to start golfing more and plan to cautiously start some weight lifting on a Cybex circuit at the local gym.  

I know this is going to help my numbers tremendously.  Just very tough to get going and keep it going.  

ETA:  As for the epidemic (maybe not for me in particular) - corn subsidies are a big contributor to more diabetes.  That #### is in everything.

 
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Light exercise works pretty well for me, based on the readings I get before and after. OTOH, I'm a fat load, so maybe 30 minutes on the treadmill at 3.2 mph with a 2% grade is actually fairly strenuous. 

:oldunsure:

:lmao:
I'm not saying light exercise is unhelpful. Any activity can be beneficial. But too often I hear docs say 'you need to exercise. Walking and gardening count!'

 
The amount of rage this issue raises in me knows no bounds.  I'm a type I diabetic, as are my sister and my mom.  Type II is very rarely a "real" sickness.  Most of the people "suffering" it are overweight with sedentary lifestyles.  They're too ####### lazy too get off the couch and eat fruit instead of chips.  Diabetes research is now 90% type II.  That is ####### those of us with a real sickness.

 
massraider said:
A problem any individual can solve themselves, is the #1 problem in America?

No.  

Don't be a fat slob.  Don't eat garbage.  Problem solved.  
Well the article I started with published by CNN says it's not as ez as you say it is. 

 

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