An Open letter from Dylan Farrow regarding Woody Allen (1 Viewer)

[Mario Kart]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Mel Gibson never hurt anybody. Boycotting him makes no sense.

 

[timschochet]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Interesting article. Obviously, the writer is an associate of Allen and defends him. But he does make some interesting points.

Amazing that this story is surfacing again, after all these years- just as Cate Blanchett is about to win Best Actress (she's pretty much a lock) and just as Allen was honored at the Golden Globes for a lifetime of achievement.

 

[DSP]

No way Sinatra isn't this kid's father.

http://images.kpopstarz.com/data/images/full/107589/mia-farrow-woody-allen-dylan-controversy-photo-credit-twitter.jpg

Yep, I'm sold.

Who is that kid?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

So, the theory is that both Mia and Dylan are in on this lie as retribution for Soon Yi, who by all accounts, has been a willing participant and, in fact, is not his wife of 20 years? That he raped a seven year old? I love Woody's films, but that is very hard to believe. I'm inclined to believe her.

It is hard to believe that she would lie. I agree with you.

On the other hand, while Woody has always displayed a predilection for "Lolita" type of young- teenage girl infatuations (from Manhattan's lead character to Soon Yi in real life), there's never been any indication whatsoever that he was into pre-pubescent stuff.

Do you happen to be a good friend of Woody's, or are you making that judgement on the presumption that the movies he makes tells one all you need to know about his character?

I'm just saying that there's never been a hint of it, but there HAS been plenty of hints that he's into young girls (though physically fully developed). Make of that what you will. No I have no more idea about the guy's private life than anyone else here does.

When you say 'there's never been a hint of it', what you mean is there's never been a hint of it in his movies, correct? I think that's a pretty terrible basis to make a judgement call about the guy. If a movie director is a pedophile, do we really expect him to release a film about his appreciation of the prepubescent human body to the public or something?

 

[timschochet]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Mel Gibson never hurt anybody. Boycotting him makes no sense.

Yeah, I don't need to support anti-Semites with my money. Makes sense to me. If I become convinced that Woody Allen abused children, I will boycott him as well. But this is a bizarre story and I'm not sure how anyone could be sure at this point who wasn't directly involved.

 

[timschochet]

So, the theory is that both Mia and Dylan are in on this lie as retribution for Soon Yi, who by all accounts, has been a willing participant and, in fact, is not his wife of 20 years? That he raped a seven year old? I love Woody's films, but that is very hard to believe. I'm inclined to believe her.

It is hard to believe that she would lie. I agree with you.

On the other hand, while Woody has always displayed a predilection for "Lolita" type of young- teenage girl infatuations (from Manhattan's lead character to Soon Yi in real life), there's never been any indication whatsoever that he was into pre-pubescent stuff.

Do you happen to be a good friend of Woody's, or are you making that judgement on the presumption that the movies he makes tells one all you need to know about his character?

I'm just saying that there's never been a hint of it, but there HAS been plenty of hints that he's into young girls (though physically fully developed). Make of that what you will. No I have no more idea about the guy's private life than anyone else here does.

When you say 'there's never been a hint of it', what you mean is there's never been a hint of it in his movies, correct? I think that's a pretty terrible basis to make a judgement call about the guy. If a movie director is a pedophile, do we really expect him to release a film about his appreciation of the prepubescent human body to the public or something?

No, but this is kind of a special case. This guy's whole career has been an exploration of his idiosyncrasies and his sexual hangups. All of those who have been with him, from Louise Lasser to Diane Keaton to Mia Farrow, have stated explicitly that Woody's dialogue has been very autobiographical. And through it all, there has been this Humbert Humbert thing going on. But never pedophilia. Now that doesn't mean that he's not guilty of it, and I am NOT making a judgment call. It just means that it's odd in this case.

 

[DSP]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

 

[Christo]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Actually, pedophilia is a very specific psychological disorder. It has nothing to do with lax morals.

 

[omally]

Read the entire letter; it's very powerful.

Yeah, it is. Ronan tweeted this during the Golden Globes a few weeks ago, "Missed the Woody Allen tribute -- did they put the part where a woman publicly confirmed he molested her at age 7 before or after Annie Hall?" I'd say he believes his sister was molested by Woody.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don't really care about any allegations.

He hasn't made a decent movie since the early 80s.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

So, the theory is that both Mia and Dylan are in on this lie as retribution for Soon Yi, who by all accounts, has been a willing participant and, in fact, is not his wife of 20 years? That he raped a seven year old? I love Woody's films, but that is very hard to believe. I'm inclined to believe her.

It is hard to believe that she would lie. I agree with you.

On the other hand, while Woody has always displayed a predilection for "Lolita" type of young- teenage girl infatuations (from Manhattan's lead character to Soon Yi in real life), there's never been any indication whatsoever that he was into pre-pubescent stuff.

Do you happen to be a good friend of Woody's, or are you making that judgement on the presumption that the movies he makes tells one all you need to know about his character?

I'm just saying that there's never been a hint of it, but there HAS been plenty of hints that he's into young girls (though physically fully developed). Make of that what you will. No I have no more idea about the guy's private life than anyone else here does.

When you say 'there's never been a hint of it', what you mean is there's never been a hint of it in his movies, correct? I think that's a pretty terrible basis to make a judgement call about the guy. If a movie director is a pedophile, do we really expect him to release a film about his appreciation of the prepubescent human body to the public or something?

No, but this is kind of a special case. This guy's whole career has been an exploration of his idiosyncrasies and his sexual hangups. All of those who have been with him, from Louise Lasser to Diane Keaton to Mia Farrow, have stated explicitly that Woody's dialogue has been very autobiographical. And through it all, there has been this Humbert Humbert thing going on. But never pedophilia. Now that doesn't mean that he's not guilty of it, and I am NOT making a judgment call. It just means that it's odd in this case.

Pedophilia doesn't seem to be a very common movie topic for any director, especially for a primarily comedic director (with the exception of Todd Solondz of course). I really wouldn't begin to imagine using the lack of an existence of a crime in a director's films as a piece of evidence that would indicate he wouldn't commit such a crime in real life.

 

[Judge Smails]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

 

[timschochet]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

 

[DSP]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

It doesnt seem like a stretch for me for woody allen knowing what we know about his character

 

[SacramentoBob]

Never seen any of his movies.

 

[DSP]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

 

[RBM]

Don't really care about any allegations.

He hasn't made a decent movie since the early 80s.

Bullets over Broadway was great.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Don't really care about any allegations.

He hasn't made a decent movie since the early 80s.

Bullets over Broadway was great.

No it wasn't.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I agree with Tim, I haven't seen any hint of this.

 

[rockaction]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Guns blazing.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Short version: Woody couldn't have done it because he's a claustrophobic.

 

[biggamer3]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Anyone who read the Daughter's NY Times piece should really read this whole article before they form a judgement. The victim's letter does not mention any specifics of the assault and the fact that the "attic incident" took place after Mia and Woody were in a fight and the nanny said she saw the kid almost the entire day in her sights.

Not forming judgement, but people have to stop taking sides so quickly.

 

[biggamer3]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Short version: Woody couldn't have done it because he's a claustrophobic.

Not really, also points to many inconsistencies in the story that the kid told investigators and the fact the 7 year old kept bringing up her 20 year old sisters relationship with Woody which were obviously planted in her head by her mother.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Don't really care about any allegations.

He hasn't made a decent movie since the early 80s.

You posted this twice in different words. Do you repeat yourself a lot in the classroom to your students?

 

[Tango]

Sounds believable until I read this part....

What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

Seems off to me to include this paragraph in an accusation.

Not really. When it follows this paragraph:

"But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them."

You can see that it's more than an accusation. It's the looking the other way that allows it to happen, and continue.

Howard Stern, of all people, likes to point this out: Every two-bit Hollywood-want-to-be-politically-correct actor and actress protest everything/everyone they possibly can based on half-truths/accusations/"war-on-women-issues" or just plain old honest-to-goodness political disagreements, but they run to be in Woody Allen movies like it's an important rite of passage in their careers ignoring his questionable behavior.

fwiw...I think most protest actions are misplaced, including any that may come against WAllen b/c of something like this.

 

[McGarnicle]

What does Dylan Farrow have to gain at this point by lying? The guy did it. He's a POS and at the absolute minimum decent people should boycott every thing associated with the scumbag.

I've only boycotted one movie artist- Mel Gibson- but that's because I heard what he had to say with my own ears. I have trouble believing she would lie as well, but that is not proof.

Mel Gibson never hurt anybody. Boycotting him makes no sense.

I've avoided Tom Cruise movies for at least 10 years now just because he's a doosh. But I couldn't tell you if he made a movie in that span that I'd want to see anyway.

 

[Christo]

It doesnt seem like much of a stretch to think a man, who lacks enough moral fiber to have an affair with his wifes daughter, would molest his 7 year old adopted daughter as well

Depends on what your definition of stretch is. I'm always leery of child sexual abuse claims in divorce cases. My best friend went through hell when his psycho wife played the abuse card. Was total BS. Many people (including many on this board) have made bad decisions involving 18-20 year olds. 7 year olds? Not so much. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying there's a ton of vagueness in her account and I'd hesitate to say guilty. Was he ever even accused of being with being with another prepubescent child? Usually with child predators it's a pattern with many victims.

Is this really true? I wondered about that myself, but I'm not really sure. I know there are some very infamous cases of many victims. But aren't there also cases of one time only? I just don't know.

Not every case is textbook

So the guy who thought it was simply a moral issue is now an expert on the textbook?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

None of us are likely to ever know the truth. Woody Allen seems like more than a bit of an odd duck. But Mia also seems bat #### crazy. Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think Mia Farrow and her brood are all bat#### crazy

 

[Klimtology]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

Anyone who read the Daughter's NY Times piece should really read this whole article before they form a judgement. The victim's letter does not mention any specifics of the assault and the fact that the "attic incident" took place after Mia and Woody were in a fight and the nanny said she saw the kid almost the entire day in her sights.

Not forming judgement, but people have to stop taking sides so quickly.

Not to mention that Woody passed a lie detector test whereas Mia wouldn't take one.

(According to the article)

 

[Christo]

None of us are likely to ever know the truth. Woody Allen seems like more than a bit of an odd duck. But Mia also seems bat #### crazy. Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

Not at all.

 

[Boston]

Sounds believable until I read this part....

What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

Seems off to me to include this paragraph in an accusation.

Not really. When it follows this paragraph:

"But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them."

You can see that it's more than an accusation. It's the looking the other way that allows it to happen, and continue.

Howard Stern, of all people, likes to point this out: Every two-bit Hollywood-want-to-be-politically-correct actor and actress protest everything/everyone they possibly can based on half-truths/accusations/"war-on-women-issues" or just plain old honest-to-goodness political disagreements, but they run to be in Woody Allen movies like it's an important rite of passage in their careers ignoring his questionable behavior.

fwiw...I think most protest actions are misplaced, including any that may come against WAllen b/c of something like this.

That's another angle to this story...Allen is pretty much royalty to the "Beautiful People"...due to that he gets a ton of slack from people that are usually very quick on the trigger to form opinions on most politically correct topics...not sure what the deal is with this accusation but he was already a creep in my book after hooking up with the other young lady...definitely not a guy Hollywood needs to be honoring...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't know if he's been mentioned but Roman Polanski is a similar person, great film maker, disgusting person.

I don't think I necessarily knew what was going on with Soon Yi Previn, it was bad enough how it happened, but it was difficult to put that down as abuse without some kind of confirmation.

But this report from this mature daughter seals it for me - I'm not watching his movies now, free cable included.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

None of us are likely to ever know the truth. Woody Allen seems like more than a bit of an odd duck. But Mia also seems bat #### crazy. Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

That being true (and pulling it off to this day) would be more surprising than this allegation being true.

Why is the daughter coming forward now, with support from her brother? Plenty of time to get over whatever expert CIA jedi mind tricks Woody claims Mia got away with back in the day.

Allen appears to be a super wealthy, powerful, talented person that his fans, those who work for him, who know him, and those in the biz, all seem to make excuses for.

 

[seahawk 17]

I don't know if he's been mentioned but Roman Polanski is a similar person, great film maker, disgusting person.

I don't think I necessarily knew what was going on with Soon Yi Previn, it was bad enough how it happened, but it was difficult to put that down as abuse without some kind of confirmation.

But this report from this mature daughter seals it for me - I'm not watching his movies now, free cable included.

Another head scratcher, Mia Farrow is a big supporter of Roman Polanski.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't know if he's been mentioned but Roman Polanski is a similar person, great film maker, disgusting person.

I don't think I necessarily knew what was going on with Soon Yi Previn, it was bad enough how it happened, but it was difficult to put that down as abuse without some kind of confirmation.

But this report from this mature daughter seals it for me - I'm not watching his movies now, free cable included.

Another head scratcher, Mia Farrow is a big supporter of Roman Polanski.

Ha, you've got to be kidding me.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Hollywood has a long history of abusing under age boys and girls, no surprise they give Woody a pass here.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hollywood has a long history of abusing under age boys and girls, no surprise they give Woody a pass here.

And then there's that.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Another perspective:

The Woody Allen Allegations: Not So Fast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html

I obviously have no idea if Dylan Farrow's claims are true or false. But it's hard to take that article all that seriously when it spends so much time at the outset taking Mia Farrow to task for things that are completely irrelevant to the issue. Whether it was more or less objectionable for Woody to seduce his girlfriend's adopted daughter than for Mia to seduce a married man has nothing to do with what Woody did or didn't do to Dylan.

 

[Christo]

Sounds believable until I read this part....

What if it had been your child, Cate Blanchett? Louis CK? Alec Baldwin? What if it had been you, Emma Stone? Or you, Scarlett Johansson? You knew me when I was a little girl, Diane Keaton. Have you forgotten me?

Seems off to me to include this paragraph in an accusation.

Not really. When it follows this paragraph:

"But others are still scared, vulnerable, and struggling for the courage to tell the truth. The message that Hollywood sends matters for them."

You can see that it's more than an accusation. It's the looking the other way that allows it to happen, and continue.

Howard Stern, of all people, likes to point this out: Every two-bit Hollywood-want-to-be-politically-correct actor and actress protest everything/everyone they possibly can based on half-truths/accusations/"war-on-women-issues" or just plain old honest-to-goodness political disagreements, but they run to be in Woody Allen movies like it's an important rite of passage in their careers ignoring his questionable behavior.

fwiw...I think most protest actions are misplaced, including any that may come against WAllen b/c of something like this.

That's another angle to this story...Allen is pretty much royalty to the "Beautiful People"...due to that he gets a ton of slack from people that are usually very quick on the trigger to form opinions on most politically correct topics...not sure what the deal is with this accusation but he was already a creep in my book after hooking up with the other young lady...definitely not a guy Hollywood needs to be honoring...

The way they fawn over Roman Polanski is all you need to know about Hollywood.

 

[Todd Andrews]

So, the theory is that both Mia and Dylan are in on this lie as retribution for Soon Yi, who by all accounts, has been a willing participant and, in fact, is not his wife of 20 years? That he raped a seven year old? I love Woody's films, but that is very hard to believe. I'm inclined to believe her.

It is hard to believe that she would lie. I agree with you.

On the other hand, while Woody has always displayed a predilection for "Lolita" type of young- teenage girl infatuations (from Manhattan's lead character to Soon Yi in real life), there's never been any indication whatsoever that he was into pre-pubescent stuff.

You mean other than the at the time accusation of child rape, the state investigation which would have moved forward, and the consistent accusation and story which has never faltered? You mean that "never been any indication that he was into prepubescent stuff?

You dim bulb.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I think it's also important to remember that in the early 90s, we were just beginning to come to terms with the reality that a lot of the most sensational childhood abuse cases from the 80s had been trumped up by adults planting stories in suggestible kids (like the McMartin preschool case). Which makes it tough. Obviously we don't want to "Gaslight" childhood victims of sexual assault. But the concern over the veracity of these types of sensational claims was real in the early 90s.

It's a tough situation.

 

[Fennis]

Woody Allen does look and seem to be nervous over this.

 

[Das Boot]

Woody Allen does look and seem to be nervous over this.

Excellent observation.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Would anyone here really be shocked if she brainwashed her kid during an ugly separation?

Considering that's exactly what one of her own children is saying, no.

 

[McGarnicle]

Really nasty allegations which we all hope aren't true. But moreover this is just another example of everyone caring way too much about the private lives of famous people. If the allegations are true, it's a travesty that Allen is not in prison. But if they're false, consider that the man's name is being sullied by a lot of people who don't know anyone involved personally and are not qualified to give an opinion.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Really nasty allegations which we all hope aren't true. But moreover this is just another example of everyone caring way too much about the private lives of famous people. If the allegations are true, it's a travesty that Allen is not in prison. But if they're false, consider that the man's name is being sullied by a lot of people who don't know anyone involved personally and are not qualified to give an opinion.

They're clearly not true. Have not you not been reading timschochet's posts????

 

[McGarnicle]

Really nasty allegations which we all hope aren't true. But moreover this is just another example of everyone caring way too much about the private lives of famous people. If the allegations are true, it's a travesty that Allen is not in prison. But if they're false, consider that the man's name is being sullied by a lot of people who don't know anyone involved personally and are not qualified to give an opinion.

They're clearly not true. Have not you not been reading timschochet's posts????

Considering he talks out of his ### more than half the time, I generally just skim those if that.

 

[T Bell]

Read the entire letter; it's very powerful.

 

[T Bell]

He was accused of this back when the whole thing blew up in 93. But most people believed it was Mia being angry about Soon Yi.

are people shocked? are they not aware of how he met his current wife?

I think many people thought, even at the time, that the allegations concerning Dylan were made up by Mia in her anger over the Soon Yi thing.

That's what I figured. Still not sure this isn't true, although I don't want to call this girl a liar.

The fact is that women frequently make up sexual abuse allegations to win custody battles. It's not that it happens all or most of the time, but it certainly does happen and far more frequently than it should. It made it tough for all of us - me included - to accept Mia Farrow's allegations at face value.

The letter suggests that the Sun Yi marriage and corresponding divorce was used as cover for the allegations Woody Allen knew were going to follow, and if so that's brilliantly evil.

Overall though, I don't believe that you write this sort of letter to further your mother's lie in a custody fight from 20 years ago. In short, I I believe her, and I'm glad that these chickens are coming home to roost for Woody.