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An Open letter from Dylan Farrow regarding Woody Allen (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
I'm returning to apologize once again.

I can see now that what I wrote this morning came out horribly wrong. Of course I did not intend to defend pedophilia of any sort. I have two daughters, 13 and 11, and I believe I would murder whoever touched them.

I wasn't trying to justify Polanski, I was trying to justify my willingness to watch his movies because I didn't believe his particular crime, per the testimony of his victim, deserved lifelong condemnation- though it certainly deserves to be condemned. . While I still feel that way, it came out completely wrong. I didn't mean to offend anyone here, and again I'm sorry if I did.
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timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
I'm returning to apologize once again.

I can see now that what I wrote this morning came out horribly wrong. Of course I did not intend to defend pedophilia of any sort. I have two daughters, 13 and 11, and I believe I would murder whoever touched them.

I wasn't trying to justify Polanski, I was trying to justify my willingness to watch his movies because I didn't believe his particular crime, per the testimony of his victim, deserved lifelong condemnation- though it certainly deserves to be condemned. . While I still feel that way, it came out completely wrong. I didn't mean to offend anyone here, and again I'm sorry if I did.
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Are you talking about the testimony where a 13 year old girl described how a 43 year old man gave her champagne and quaaludes and then despite her protests he had oral, ######l and anal sex with her? Is that the testimony you're talking about, tim?
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No. Later testimony. But it doesn't matter. Hope you accept the apology and understand that what was written was not really what was meant.
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The grand jury testimony of the 13 year old victim.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/roman-polanski-fugitive-director?page=1

Samantha Gailey Geimer sued Polanski in 1988, alleging sexual assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress and seduction. The case was settled out of court in 1993. After Polanski missed an October 1995 payment deadline, Geimer filed papers with the court, attempting to collect at least US$500,000. The court held that Polanski still owed her over $600,000, but it is unclear if this has since been paid.
In a documentary for A&E Television Networks entitled Roman Polanski (2000), Geimer stated "…he had sex with me. He wasn’t hurting me and he wasn’t forceful or mean or anything like that, and really I just tried to let him get it over with." She also claimed that the event had been blown "all out of proportion".

In a 2003 interview, Samantha Geimer said, "Straight up, what he did to me was wrong. But I wish he would return to America so the whole ordeal can be put to rest for both of us." Furthermore, "I'm sure if he could go back, he wouldn't do it again. He made a terrible mistake but he's paid for it." In 2008, Geimer stated in an interview that she wishes Polanski would be forgiven, "I think he's sorry, I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he's a danger to society. I don't think he needs to be locked up forever and no one has ever come out ever – besides me – and accused him of anything. It was 30 years ago now. It's an unpleasant memory ... (but) I can live with it."

In February 2009, Samantha Geimer filed to have the charges against Polanski dismissed from court, saying that decades of publicity as well as the prosecutor's focus on lurid details continues to traumatize her and her family.
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Gambino said:
timschochet said:
I'm returning to apologize once again.

I can see now that what I wrote this morning came out horribly wrong. Of course I did not intend to defend pedophilia of any sort. I have two daughters, 13 and 11, and I believe I would murder whoever touched them.

I wasn't trying to justify Polanski, I was trying to justify my willingness to watch his movies because I didn't believe his particular crime, per the testimony of his victim, deserved lifelong condemnation- though it certainly deserves to be condemned. . While I still feel that way, it came out completely wrong. I didn't mean to offend anyone here, and again I'm sorry if I did.
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Yep. Made it even more deplorable for me. Trash. Especially when you consider the love for Rapelisberger and Kobe here. What a sick ####.
 
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Tim, you should probably consider posting a little less and thinking a bit more about what you're saying.

:2cents:

 
timschochet said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Tim, you should probably consider posting a little less and thinking a bit more about what you're saying.

:2cents:
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This is right. I will be posting here much less in the future.
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I'd say the odds of this are similar to the odds of a safety being the first score in the Super Bowl

 
This whole story is just disgusting but there is nothing other than social pile ons of hate that can really do much Woody and I doubt he reads Twitter every night before his head hit the pillow.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Tim, you should probably consider posting a little less and thinking a bit more about what you're saying.

:2cents:
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The ratio of wisdom to words in this post is ridiculous.

Tim please take heed.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
This whole story is just disgusting but there is nothing other than social pile ons of hate that can really do much Woody and I doubt he reads Twitter every night before his head hit the pillow.
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'Woody and I'?

Maybe you should take Aaron's advice too.

 
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You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.

 
timschochet said:
I'm returning to apologize once again.

I can see now that what I wrote this morning came out horribly wrong. Of course I did not intend to defend pedophilia of any sort. I have two daughters, 13 and 11, and I believe I would murder whoever touched them.

I wasn't trying to justify Polanski, I was trying to justify my willingness to watch his movies because I didn't believe his particular crime, per the testimony of his victim, deserved lifelong condemnation- though it certainly deserves to be condemned. . While I still feel that way, it came out completely wrong. I didn't mean to offend anyone here, and again I'm sorry if I did.
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TimScrotus is a vile disgusting hideous slutshamer.

 
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:

 
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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Most Americans are not aware of this, but the whole Jimmy Savile investigation is another glimpse into the power of celebrity when it comes to deflecting attention/suspicion from sex crimes. The guy even hosted a popular kids TV show called Jim'll Fix It.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:
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I get what you're saying; I guess what I'm saying is let's not just dismiss it just because she's accusing Woody Allen. Check her story out; an honest and forthright investigation and see where the evidence leads. If she's a crazy whack-job, we'd soon find out.

 
Tom Servo said:
Sinn Fein said:
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:
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I get what you're saying; I guess what I'm saying is let's not just dismiss it just because she's accusing Woody Allen. Check her story out; an honest and forthright investigation and see where the evidence leads. If she's a crazy whack-job, we'd soon find out.
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didn't that take place already in the early 90s?

 
Tom Servo said:
Sinn Fein said:
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:
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I get what you're saying; I guess what I'm saying is let's not just dismiss it just because she's accusing Woody Allen. Check her story out; an honest and forthright investigation and see where the evidence leads. If she's a crazy whack-job, we'd soon find out.
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what? there was an investigation. 20 years ago. how will we "soon find out" anything?

 
-fish- said:
Tom Servo said:
Sinn Fein said:
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:
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I get what you're saying; I guess what I'm saying is let's not just dismiss it just because she's accusing Woody Allen. Check her story out; an honest and forthright investigation and see where the evidence leads. If she's a crazy whack-job, we'd soon find out.
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what? there was an investigation. 20 years ago. how will we "soon find out" anything?
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The investigation did not clear Woody Allen.

 
Fennis said:
-fish- said:
Tom Servo said:
Sinn Fein said:
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:
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I get what you're saying; I guess what I'm saying is let's not just dismiss it just because she's accusing Woody Allen. Check her story out; an honest and forthright investigation and see where the evidence leads. If she's a crazy whack-job, we'd soon find out.
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what? there was an investigation. 20 years ago. how will we "soon find out" anything?
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The investigation did not clear Woody Allen.
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Not saying it did. Just commenting that Servo's comment makes no sense.

 
-fish- said:
Fennis said:
-fish- said:
Tom Servo said:
Sinn Fein said:
Tom Servo said:
You know, this topic could've been a great discussion of rape and what it does to victims, especially when it comes at the hands of men with power or influence. To wit, Jameis Winston, a Michigan kicker, some guy from Missouri, and of course, Stubenville...and that doesn't include the poor woman who committed suicide from Notre Dame.

Not only are these women treated like chattel, but then are traumatized again when their allegations are treated with less than total sincerity. (INSERT MANDATORY STATEMENT ABOUT SOME WOMEN ARE BAT CRAP CRAZY AND MAKE THIS UP.) The fact that many of these high-profile rapes are alleged to have been committed by men who can be protected or excused for their actions makes this issue more noxious. This is where the real "war on women" is going on.

If Dylan Farrow is determined to be lying, let society treat her as such. In the meantime, let's at least give her the opportunity to present what she knows/evidence she has.
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how do you determine she is lying without questioning her story?I don't really doubt the sincerity of her beliefs, I do question whether her memories are real, or maybe influenced by her mother's reinforcement over the years of a particular narrative.

:shrug:
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I get what you're saying; I guess what I'm saying is let's not just dismiss it just because she's accusing Woody Allen. Check her story out; an honest and forthright investigation and see where the evidence leads. If she's a crazy whack-job, we'd soon find out.
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what? there was an investigation. 20 years ago. how will we "soon find out" anything?
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The investigation did not clear Woody Allen.
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Not saying it did. Just commenting that Servo's comment makes no sense.
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I was speaking in general about accusations. To the specific example, I don't remember anything about it. If you say it took place, then so be it. :shrug:

 
I'm not sure how any investigation can clear anyone. Here's what did happen. The medical team from New Haven hospital concluded that they thought the allegations were false (because Dylan changed her story and seemed weirdly preoccupied with the effect on her mother's career). There was then a custody case in New York. The judge in that case largely denied Allen the right to see any of the kids but Satchel and said (in dicta) that although there was not proof of molestation, that Allen's behavior toward Dylan was "inappropriate."

The Connecticut State Attorney then dropped the case, but not before saying that he had probable cause and was dropping the case to spare Dylan the trauma of testifying (Allen unsuccessfully brought ethics charges on this, and it is a little shady for prosecutor to essentially call someone guilty without filing charges). The New York department of Child Protective Services found "no credible evidence of molestation" in their investigation

So two states investigated. He wasn't charged by either. One of the lawyers for Connecticut made some damning public statements, but the police and hospital investigators from that state didn't believe Dylan. Neither, apparently, did the CPS from New York.

Neither Woody or Mia came out of the custody trial looking good. Mia, of course, is also a celebrity and certainly did not lack access to the media to tell her side of the story.

So now we have one more data point. Which is that Dylan still sticks to the story as an adult. That's certainly compelling in its own way. But it certainly isn't conclusive.

We know enough about Woody to know he's not a particularly good guy. His movies can tell us that. He's kind of broken. I don't think we know nearly enough to conclude what did or didn't happen to Dylan Farrow.

This isn't like the Roman Polanski case. The only dispute about that case is essentially how old Polanski thought his victim was. He pretty much admits to giving her ludes and champangne and then putting a move on her (behavior that I think would be called "rapey" if not "rape" today even if his victim were 22).

 
mr roboto said:
Tim, sometimes your desire to parse every argument down to some happy middle ground is just embarrassing. Sometimes you need to shut the hell up and stand against something. Please stop posting your argument in this thread. No one wants to hear it. Trust me.
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To think Tim accused Hitler of being a fence-sitter.

 
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Christo said:
timschochet said:
Mr. Retukes said:
An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.
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Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.
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Wow?I believe that if Woody Allen had sex with a 7 year old, he ought to spend the rest of his sorry life in prison- and if he were a younger man, a minimum of 20 years. And I would NEVER forgive him if I knew him. Polanski deserves to spend a couple of years behind bars, perhaps longer for trying to avoid it. And eventually I could forgive him. Do you really not see any moral distinction?
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No, I see no distinction between raping a 7 year old and raping a 13 year old.
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If its rape, then you're correct. Do you see any difference between rape with a 7 year old and statutory rape with a 13 year old?
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#### off, tim. Take your #### somewhere else.
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I seem to have hit a nerve, and if so I apologize. I really do believe there is a distinction to be made here. I have made the same point in other threads on the same topic. It's an unpleasant topic, but of we're going to have an honest discussion about it, there really is a difference between these types of acts.
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This comment alone shows this isn't an isolated incident regarding Tim's sick views on this.

 
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timschochet said:
Mr. Retukes said:
An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.
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Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.
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An interesting distinction. But even more interesting is your conclusion that Mel Gibson's anti-semitic outburst warrants a boycott from you, while a 44-year-old committing statutory rape with a drunk and drugged thirteen-year-old and then fleeing the country to avoid sentencing after pleading guilty does not warrant a boycott. Now I'm not pro-boycott or anti-boycott, but this does seem to be a very odd line you're drawing here.

 
bigbottom said:
timschochet said:
Mr. Retukes said:
An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.
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Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.
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An interesting distinction. But even more interesting is your conclusion that Mel Gibson's anti-semitic outburst warrants a boycott from you, while a 44-year-old committing statutory rape with a drunk and drugged thirteen-year-old and then fleeing the country to avoid sentencing after pleading guilty does not warrant a boycott. Now I'm not pro-boycott or anti-boycott, but this does seem to be a very odd line you're drawing here.
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It is. And you're correct, it seems rather contradictory. But my attempts to explain it came off so terribly (the fault is mine) and the reaction was so negative (much of it justified) that there won't be any further attempts to do so. If you or anyone else cares enough to send me a PM on this subject, I will further attempt to defend what I meant. But not here.

 
Tim, I strongly suspect you've just picked the wrong topic to dig yourself into a fairly Tim-typical hole about and that you're a pretty decent person IRL. Quirky and difficult maybe, but decent.

Either way though... trust me on this -- you really need to stop digging and just let it go.

 
timschochet said:
bigbottom said:
timschochet said:
Mr. Retukes said:
An underage girl can't consent to taking drugs anymore than she could consent to having sex.
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Of course she can't. Polanski committed a felony and he deserves to be punished, still. I shouldn't have placed quotation marks around the word crime.But my point is that this sort of crime, while bad, doesn't in my mind warrant lifetime condemnation, whereas if Woody Allen did what's being claimed would.
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An interesting distinction. But even more interesting is your conclusion that Mel Gibson's anti-semitic outburst warrants a boycott from you, while a 44-year-old committing statutory rape with a drunk and drugged thirteen-year-old and then fleeing the country to avoid sentencing after pleading guilty does not warrant a boycott. Now I'm not pro-boycott or anti-boycott, but this does seem to be a very odd line you're drawing here.
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It is. And you're correct, it seems rather contradictory. But my attempts to explain it came off so terribly (the fault is mine) and the reaction was so negative (much of it justified) that there won't be any further attempts to do so. If you or anyone else cares enough to send me a PM on this subject, I will further attempt to defend what I meant. But not here.
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No need to defend yourself via PM, Tim. That said, I'm just going to imagine you as Uncle Leo from here on out.

 
If Tim had said something like he believed there was a moral distinction between sex with a 3 year old and sex with a 17.9 year old he wouldn't have gotten a ton of resistance. It was when he he waded into the "promiscuous 13 year old with a developed body" territory that got him to where he is now. When you post 500 times a day, 4000 words per post, sticking your foot in your mouth once in a while is pretty much inevitable.

 
JAMES! said:
If Tim had said something like he believed there was a moral distinction between sex with a 3 year old and sex with a 17.9 year old he wouldn't have gotten a ton of resistance. It was when he he waded into the "promiscuous 13 year old with a developed body" territory that got him to where he is now. When you post 500 times a day, 4000 words per post, sticking your foot in your mouth once in a while is pretty much inevitable.
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It's partly that. It's also that the Polanski case is probably one of the worst possible examples to use when making that kind of argument. What happened with Roman Polanski wasn't just statutory rape. It's regular rape.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
JAMES! said:
If Tim had said something like he believed there was a moral distinction between sex with a 3 year old and sex with a 17.9 year old he wouldn't have gotten a ton of resistance. It was when he he waded into the "promiscuous 13 year old with a developed body" territory that got him to where he is now. When you post 500 times a day, 4000 words per post, sticking your foot in your mouth once in a while is pretty much inevitable.
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It's partly that. It's also that the Polanski case is probably one of the worst possible examples to use when making that kind of argument. What happened with Roman Polanski wasn't just statutory rape. It's regular rape.
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Legitimate rape?

 
Cliff Clavin said:
IvanKaramazov said:
JAMES! said:
If Tim had said something like he believed there was a moral distinction between sex with a 3 year old and sex with a 17.9 year old he wouldn't have gotten a ton of resistance. It was when he he waded into the "promiscuous 13 year old with a developed body" territory that got him to where he is now. When you post 500 times a day, 4000 words per post, sticking your foot in your mouth once in a while is pretty much inevitable.
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It's partly that. It's also that the Polanski case is probably one of the worst possible examples to use when making that kind of argument. What happened with Roman Polanski wasn't just statutory rape. It's regular rape.
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Legitimate rape?
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You know what I mean. Have "consensual" sex with an underage girl is bad. When the sex is non-consensual, it's worse.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
JAMES! said:
If Tim had said something like he believed there was a moral distinction between sex with a 3 year old and sex with a 17.9 year old he wouldn't have gotten a ton of resistance. It was when he he waded into the "promiscuous 13 year old with a developed body" territory that got him to where he is now. When you post 500 times a day, 4000 words per post, sticking your foot in your mouth once in a while is pretty much inevitable.
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It's partly that. It's also that the Polanski case is probably one of the worst possible examples to use when making that kind of argument. What happened with Roman Polanski wasn't just statutory rape. It's regular rape.
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Agree. Someone bringing up Polanski case was almost an unlucky break for Tim. If they had brought up the LeTourneau case instead things my have gone differently and Tim would be back today posting like it was any other day. Oh wait, he is.

 
wdcrob said:
Tim, I strongly suspect you've just picked the wrong topic to dig yourself into a fairly Tim-typical hole about and that you're a pretty decent person IRL. Quirky and difficult maybe, but decent.

Either way though... trust me on this -- you really need to stop digging and just let it go.
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:goodposting:

At least I learned about about these rapey directors from Tim's mess in here.

 
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