An Open Letter to the FFA (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Why not go to a different church?

The are two types of churches - those that hide the crazy and those that don't.

 

[Zow]

Many protestant denominations are affirming of

gay Christians and welcome them just as if they

were heterosexual. Large denominations like episcopal and Presbyterian (usa) too.

And the catholic church's stance that marriage is for the purpose of procreation is certainly

problematic in my mind, but it is about the least

bigoted way to oppose gay marriage.

The problem with the Catholic Church's reasoning is that the Church won't apply it

consistently.

According to the Church, it's okay for a sterile

couple to marry because God could perform a

miracle and let them conceive.

Well, why can't God perform a miracle on gay

couples? Is He not omnipotent?

It's very frustrating. My wife and I got married in the church and we had to do the classes teaching us catholic doctrine on sexuality. The lines drawn are absolutely laughable. As in I literally laughed out loud in the middle of class when the speakers were trying to explain when oral was okay and were drawing the line at "well you're

good so long as no pre-cum comes out".

My wife contacted the church as well when we leaned we would struggle to conceive. Their

response in a nutshell was "well, ivf is a sin but give us 30k and we will find you a baby to adopt". She now refuses to go to church.

Why did she contact the church when you guys found out there were issues?????

Because she was surprised when I told her ivf is a sin. Her mother was also skeptical of it. So they checked my math by informally asking their favorite liberal priest.

 

[Zow]

The church wanting 30k for an adoption is really

sad in the aftermath of this whole planned parenthood selling baby parts campaign.

The church sells live babies at a much higher

markup, it seems

Is that typical, because if so, holy ####. They dont want to let women have abortions but then

charge that much for adoptions of the resulting unwanted babies. As if we needed another example of how organized religion is terrible. The high cost of adoption in general is so sad.

Yep. I was surprised. My wife and I were totally open to adoption and were exploring all options. Came to quickly learn that adoption, unless you go through the foster parent route, is far more expensive than ivf (which isn't by any means cheap either).

 

[The_Man]

Do we at least get an update how the "job reveal" goes? That sounded like a great conversation.

If it's like his last interesting thread/disappearing act, he'll just vanish for a couple of years and then suddenly resurface and post that he decided not to quit after all.

 

[dgreen]

Why not go to a different church?

The are two types of churches - those that hide the crazy and those that don't.

Oh.

 

[sports_fan]

Why are pastor work and the FFA mutually exclusive? Time commitment? No internet access in pastor buildings? Other?

GL

I think the idea is to cleanse himself from this unholy place of vermin and scum.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Did he ever answer the question of why the new job means he can't go on the Internet?

Dude is dedicating his life to a fairy tale, I wouldn't try to apply logic to his decision to leave the board.

 

[sbonomo]

Did he ever answer the question of why the new job means he can't go on the Internet?

Dude is dedicating his life to a fairy tale, I wouldn't try to apply logic to his decision to leave the board.

- Ouch on so many levels here.....

 

[Christo]

Why are pastor work and the FFA mutually exclusive? Time commitment? No internet access in pastor buildings? Other?

GL

I think the idea is to cleanse himself from this unholy place of vermin and scum.

A true man of god would wade into this pit of vermin and scum and enthusiastically show us the light.

 

[Zow]

Christo, you're unfamiliar with paddington?

 

[Christo]

Christo, you're unfamiliar with paddington?

I've been there many times.

 

[Zow]

Christo, you're unfamiliar with paddington?

I've been there many times.

So why are you trying to encourage a second one?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Many protestant denominations are affirming of

gay Christians and welcome them just as if they

were heterosexual. Large denominations like episcopal and Presbyterian (usa) too.

And the catholic church's stance that marriage is for the purpose of procreation is certainly

problematic in my mind, but it is about the least

bigoted way to oppose gay marriage.

The problem with the Catholic Church's reasoning is that the Church won't apply it

consistently.

According to the Church, it's okay for a sterile

couple to marry because God could perform a

miracle and let them conceive.

Well, why can't God perform a miracle on gay

couples? Is He not omnipotent?

It's very frustrating. My wife and I got married in the church and we had to do the classes teaching us catholic doctrine on sexuality. The lines drawn are absolutely laughable. As in I literally laughed out loud in the middle of class when the speakers were trying to explain when oral was okay and were drawing the line at "well you're

good so long as no pre-cum comes out".

My wife contacted the church as well when we leaned we would struggle to conceive. Their

response in a nutshell was "well, ivf is a sin but give us 30k and we will find you a baby to adopt". She now refuses to go to church.

Why did she contact the church when you guys found out there were issues?????

Because she was surprised when I told her ivf is a sin. Her mother was also skeptical of it. So they checked my math by informally asking their favorite liberal priest.

Why were you pointing that out though? You guys are going that route, right?

 

[Politician Spock]

Christo, you're unfamiliar with paddington?

I've been there many times.

So why are you trying to encourage a second one?

Christo likes to play Whack-a-Mole.

 

[Zow]

Many protestant denominations are affirming of

gay Christians and welcome them just as if they

were heterosexual. Large denominations like

episcopal and Presbyterian (usa) too.

And the catholic church's stance that marriage is for the purpose of procreation is certainly

problematic in my mind, but it is about the least

bigoted way to oppose gay marriage.

The problem with the Catholic Church's

reasoning is that the Church won't apply it

consistently.

According to the Church, it's okay for a sterile

couple to marry because God could perform a

miracle and let them conceive.

Well, why can't God perform a miracle on gay

couples? Is He not omnipotent?

It's very frustrating. My wife and I got married in the church and we had to do the classes teaching us catholic doctrine on sexuality. The lines

drawn are absolutely laughable. As in I literally laughed out loud in the middle of class when the speakers were trying to explain when oral was

okay and were drawing the line at "well you're

good so long as no pre-cum comes out".

My wife contacted the church as well when we

leaned we would struggle to conceive. Their

response in a nutshell was "well, ivf is a sin but give us 30k and we will find you a baby to adopt". She now refuses to go to church.

Why did she contact the church when you guys found out there were issues?????

Because she was surprised when I told her ivf is a sin. Her mother was also skeptical of it. So they checked my math by informally asking their favorite liberal priest.

Why were you pointing that out though? You guys are going that route, right?

She asked and yes.

 

[Jayrod]

Still a dolt 9 days later.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Good luck, again.

 

[Scoresman]

Might need to pass two or three baskets around at mass time for God to provide all your needs.

 

[McGarnicle]

Your arms too short to box with God

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Thanks for the 9 day farewell and hello again thread

 

[comfortably numb]

So I skimmed the thread, and thought I'd give an update.

I did go into work and came clean on everything I'd been dishonest about. They had discovered some things I told them were done weren't done while I was gone, so I was already on the hot seat.

After the discussion, where I also told them I wanted to get out of accounting, they felt it would be best if we parted ways. I got a small severance package (basically one bi-weekly paycheck and some unpaid vacation) and left that day after going through all of my current stuff, passwords, etc. I guess I was technically fired, but it didn't quite feel that way, even though I would have stayed on if they'd have me.

It was a bit saddening knowing I'd screwed up another good job (I've had 9 jobs in 15 years and was let go 3 times...although once was that psycho's company), but its also been liberating knowing that I'm starting down a path where both my head and heart are involved. Forcing yourself to do a job because it is what you think you should do, even though you really don't want to, is hard enough. Doing that when you are fighting against God is nigh impossible.

And that's what I'd been doing, fighting God. I didn't realize how much until I've fully engaged Him again for the first time in years. Despite not having a definitive plan for our finances going forward, I'm not worried. If God is real (and I believe He is), and I'm doing what He tells me to do (and I believe I am), and the Bible says He will provide for all my needs (which I believe), then I have no reason for fear.

For now, I'm working as an accounting temp (got a job that started Monday already), refereeing all I can and I'm planning through a small business consulting business. I have found a local organization that specializes in adult training for ministry and has a path to get a license as an Assemblies of God minister. I will be starting my classes there soon and I've started volunteering more at my church.

God has a plan, I'm trying to follow it as best I can and I'm both excited and scared. As for why I'm not hanging around here anymore, as much as I've learned here, it also has a tendency to bring out the worst in me (I think one poster sarcastically said that he always felt the love of Jesus in my posts). I may hang around more in the future, but for the time being, I need to focus on what is in front of me and not get caught up in things that don't matter. Also, I have to get a bunch of mid-range jumpers in on a daily basis so I can get back ahead of LBJ.

Until next time, God bless.

This is exactly what has lead me away from religion/god and I was in a cult for 6 years gathering every single day with a few friends. Reading/praying.

You got lazy and bored with another job and you screwed it up. Lot's of people do this.

Yet it has to turn into an epiphany of you have been fighting god's will?

You are using God's "will" to justify your poor actions.

Maybe Gods will is just to go to work and provide for your family?

Anyhow, I don't mean this to bash but rather how I now see just how wacky it was when I would use god's will to justify my poor actions/choices

 

[sports_fan]

Go get 'em tiger

 

[Steve Tasker]

best wishes on your new path.