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Anarchy League 1 Draft Order & Smack Talk Thread (2 Viewers)

Biabreakable said:
I am going to have to disagree with Anarchy's assessment and reasoning for taking Health Miller 4.05 as his flex player being a wise decision when there were many other starters available.I do not see taking Miller as the 10th TE off the board hedging the other owners out from being able to re-coup value from the position. TE's drafted after this such as Scheffler, Vernon Davis ect. are not losing much ground if any to Miller imho.
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For what it's worth, in league 2 (the best league), the #10 TE went off the board at 4.04. (It was Scheffler; H.Miller went as TE#13.)I don't agree with Yudkin's logic about locking down his flex position; as he noted in a later message, he's trading a crappy RB or WR in the flex position with the last crappy RB or WR he'll wind up taking anyway. But I do think that TEs are very valuable in this format. The #10 TE last year (Shockey) scored 194.5 points, which is not bad; it was #50 among RB/WR/TEs. So it may be a slight reach, but it's clearly justifiable. 2PPR is huge.
 
CalBear said:
Biabreakable said:
I am going to have to disagree with Anarchy's assessment and reasoning for taking Health Miller 4.05 as his flex player being a wise decision when there were many other starters available.I do not see taking Miller as the 10th TE off the board hedging the other owners out from being able to re-coup value from the position. TE's drafted after this such as Scheffler, Vernon Davis ect. are not losing much ground if any to Miller imho.
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For what it's worth, in league 2 (the best league), the #10 TE went off the board at 4.04. (It was Scheffler; H.Miller went as TE#13.)I don't agree with Yudkin's logic about locking down his flex position; as he noted in a later message, he's trading a crappy RB or WR in the flex position with the last crappy RB or WR he'll wind up taking anyway. But I do think that TEs are very valuable in this format. The #10 TE last year (Shockey) scored 194.5 points, which is not bad; it was #50 among RB/WR/TEs. So it may be a slight reach, but it's clearly justifiable. 2PPR is huge.
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Maybe your right.Miller was drafted as the 53rd player off the board. TE #10.However the #10 TE last year (Shockey) was the 88th overall player...Last year (really down for RB scoring) only 11 RB scored higher than 88th overall. And 2 of them were drafted low or undrafted (Grahm and Grant).In 2006 13 RB scored higher than 88th overall.I still think he will bleed too many points at the RB position even if they are not scoring more total points than Miller (if he performs up to expectations). So while the pick could end up being the highest points overall it would still be a losing proposition in total team points for Anarchy's squad. Those surefire starting RBs will no doubt be gone by the time he gets a chance to look at them again.When comparing the TE scoring to WRs the story is much worse however...TE 10 in 2007 was player 88 overall. In 2006 TE 10 was player 80 overall. So using 84 as a baseline 27 WRs scored higher than 84 overall in 2007. In 2006 26 WR scored higher than 84 overall.So while Miller may have been in line with ADP from league 2.. drafting him as the 53rd player overall is 31 draft slots too high for where historical performance has been. And at the time Anarchy took Miller there were only 18 WR off the board. History tells us that about 8 or 9 WR will score more points, from a more needed position still available there.
 
Biabreakable said:
CalBear said:
Biabreakable said:
I am going to have to disagree with Anarchy's assessment and reasoning for taking Health Miller 4.05 as his flex player being a wise decision when there were many other starters available.I do not see taking Miller as the 10th TE off the board hedging the other owners out from being able to re-coup value from the position. TE's drafted after this such as Scheffler, Vernon Davis ect. are not losing much ground if any to Miller imho.
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For what it's worth, in league 2 (the best league), the #10 TE went off the board at 4.04. (It was Scheffler; H.Miller went as TE#13.)I don't agree with Yudkin's logic about locking down his flex position; as he noted in a later message, he's trading a crappy RB or WR in the flex position with the last crappy RB or WR he'll wind up taking anyway. But I do think that TEs are very valuable in this format. The #10 TE last year (Shockey) scored 194.5 points, which is not bad; it was #50 among RB/WR/TEs. So it may be a slight reach, but it's clearly justifiable. 2PPR is huge.
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Maybe your right.Miller was drafted as the 53rd player off the board. TE #10.However the #10 TE last year (Shockey) was the 88th overall player...Last year (really down for RB scoring) only 11 RB scored higher than 88th overall. And 2 of them were drafted low or undrafted (Grahm and Grant).In 2006 13 RB scored higher than 88th overall.I still think he will bleed too many points at the RB position even if they are not scoring more total points than Miller (if he performs up to expectations). So while the pick could end up being the highest points overall it would still be a losing proposition in total team points for Anarchy's squad. Those surefire starting RBs will no doubt be gone by the time he gets a chance to look at them again.When comparing the TE scoring to WRs the story is much worse however...TE 10 in 2007 was player 88 overall. In 2006 TE 10 was player 80 overall. So using 84 as a baseline 27 WRs scored higher than 84 overall in 2007. In 2006 26 WR scored higher than 84 overall.So while Miller may have been in line with ADP from league 2.. drafting him as the 53rd player overall is 31 draft slots too high for where historical performance has been. And at the time Anarchy took Miller there were only 18 WR off the board. History tells us that about 8 or 9 WR will score more points, from a more needed position still available there.
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This is how I sort of saw things.At that pick, either his TE#3 or his WR#1 could be called his flex player and the WRs drafted after that called WR1-5. Options later in the draft had no bearing as he still would have to draft the same number of WRs. That said, he did say that he basically has Miller projected to score what the available WRs would, so it would be an advantageous pick since he diluted the shallow TE pool by one.
 
David Yudkin said:
Miller last year: TE7 = 224 points.WR19 last year 229 points.
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If that's where you have him projected, the pick is obvious. Dodds has him scoring 156 points; the highest in Projections Dominator is Chris Smith who has him at 189. Those are not including the playoffs, of course, but I don't think you can give more than a 10% bump for playoff projections.
 
5.15 79. Hear-The-Footsteps Forte, Matt CHI RB Tue Aug 12 11:21:57 a.m. ET 2008

5.16 80. SLBD Chargers, San Diego SDC TMQB Tue Aug 12 3:02:08 p.m. ET 2008 Commish pick per SLBD request. He is still thinking about his next pick, but should by back in an hour or so.

6.01 81. SLBD Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Tue Aug 12 7:15:07 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made by adp Rank

I just want you to know that I forgive you.

 
bostonfred said:
5.15 79. Hear-The-Footsteps Forte, Matt CHI RB Tue Aug 12 11:21:57 a.m. ET 2008 5.16 80. SLBD Chargers, San Diego SDC TMQB Tue Aug 12 3:02:08 p.m. ET 2008 Commish pick per SLBD request. He is still thinking about his next pick, but should by back in an hour or so. 6.01 81. SLBD Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Tue Aug 12 7:15:07 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made by adp Rank I just want you to know that I forgive you.
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Believe me, I'm cracking up, just don't have time right now. More later.I got the Jags or what?Yudkin, I wanted you to call me if I was gonna time out, darn it.And I see it's lhucks that took the Jags. This should be fun.'nother edit: I'm on Hawaii time, literally. This will be the last time you guys wait. Very sorry.
 
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Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
bostonfred said:
5.15 79. Hear-The-Footsteps Forte, Matt CHI RB Tue Aug 12 11:21:57 a.m. ET 2008 5.16 80. SLBD Chargers, San Diego SDC TMQB Tue Aug 12 3:02:08 p.m. ET 2008 Commish pick per SLBD request. He is still thinking about his next pick, but should by back in an hour or so. 6.01 81. SLBD Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Tue Aug 12 7:15:07 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made by adp Rank I just want you to know that I forgive you.
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Believe me, I'm cracking up, just don't have time right now. More later.I got the Jags or what?
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Stewart....have to e-mail yuds a replacement if you want one. Fred might trade you Curtis martin.
 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
bostonfred said:
5.15 79. Hear-The-Footsteps Forte, Matt CHI RB Tue Aug 12 11:21:57 a.m. ET 2008 5.16 80. SLBD Chargers, San Diego SDC TMQB Tue Aug 12 3:02:08 p.m. ET 2008 Commish pick per SLBD request. He is still thinking about his next pick, but should by back in an hour or so. 6.01 81. SLBD Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Tue Aug 12 7:15:07 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made by adp Rank I just want you to know that I forgive you.
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Believe me, I'm cracking up, just don't have time right now. More later.I got the Jags or what?Yudkin, I wanted you to call me if I was gonna time out, darn it.And I see it's lhucks that took the Jags. This should be fun.'nother edit: I'm on Hawaii time, literally. This will be the last time you guys wait. Very sorry.
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That's great Sonny . . . would have called you if I was available (but I wasn't). I could have called you an hour and a half before you timed out . . . or a minutes after you timed out but not in between.
 
No worries, David. I just wanted you to call period, so I could make my pick (no access). But I'm not gonna sweat it. And no way am I gonna try to pry Garrard away from what's-his-face, so whatever.

The other reason I wanted you to call is I just wanted to hear your voice...

 
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I don't think I've ever liked my Anarchy team as much as I do thus far.

Texans QB (I love Schaub, and even Rosenfels might be an OK fill in)

Ryan Grant - great YPC last year - I'm still high on him

Selvin Young - who else is going to carry the ball in DEN? Silly question, I know, but it looks like Selvin will get a good shot.

Randy Moss - greatest WR ever

Chad Johnson - don't care about inconsistency, just put up the numbers

Dwayne Bowe - next great young WR.

Randy McMichael - bounce back time. He put up very good numbers in MIA, and with Saunders as the new OC (think Cooley and Gonzo) I expect a big rebound year for McMichael

 
Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC TMQB - 7 Seahawks, Seattle SEA TMQB - 4
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Stacked, both teams in the running for serious playoff points.
Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 4 Jackson, Steven STL RB - 5 Johnson, Larry KCC RB - 6
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Stacked...Jackson was a steal.
Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 4
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Harrison was a steal...we'll see what kind of sleepers I have in store for you guys.
 
Unlucky said:
I don't think I've ever liked my Anarchy team as much as I do thus far. Texans QB (I love Schaub, and even Rosenfels might be an OK fill in)Ryan Grant - great YPC last year - I'm still high on himSelvin Young - who else is going to carry the ball in DEN? Silly question, I know, but it looks like Selvin will get a good shot.Randy Moss - greatest WR everChad Johnson - don't care about inconsistency, just put up the numbersDwayne Bowe - next great young WR. Randy McMichael - bounce back time. He put up very good numbers in MIA, and with Saunders as the new OC (think Cooley and Gonzo) I expect a big rebound year for McMichael
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Hate your RBsMcMichael was a bit of a reach...probably could have gotten him a round later.
 
LHUCKS said:
McMichael was a bit of a reach...probably could have gotten him a round later.
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I don't pick again for 30 picks, so sometimes I have to reach. He was clearly the highest TE on my board, and many below him were already drafted, so I couldn't risk waiting until next round.
 
LHUCKS said:
Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC TMQB - 7 Seahawks, Seattle SEA TMQB - 4
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Stacked, both teams in the running for serious playoff points.
Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 4 Jackson, Steven STL RB - 5 Johnson, Larry KCC RB - 6
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Stacked...Jackson was a steal.
Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 4
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Harrison was a steal...we'll see what kind of sleepers I have in store for you guys.
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You better have some great sleepers (not guys like Lelie) because you've spotted most of us a huge advantage after this start. Serious question, do you wake up in the morning, take a dump, and then sniff your turds proclaiming how wonderful they are?
 
BassNBrew said:
LHUCKS said:
Jaguars, Jacksonville JAC TMQB - 7 Seahawks, Seattle SEA TMQB - 4
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Stacked, both teams in the running for serious playoff points.
Brown, Ronnie MIA RB - 4 Jackson, Steven STL RB - 5 Johnson, Larry KCC RB - 6
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Stacked...Jackson was a steal.
Harrison, Marvin IND WR - 4
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Harrison was a steal...we'll see what kind of sleepers I have in store for you guys.
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You better have some great sleepers (not guys like Lelie) because you've spotted most of us a huge advantage after this start. Serious question, do you wake up in the morning, take a dump, and then sniff your turds proclaiming how wonderful they are?
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:bye:
 
I see Rice went right after my pick. It was a toss up between him and the Chargers D. When I bumped the SD projects by 10% for playoff games it swayed me in their direction.

 
I'm gonna win this thing again...some of you guys are regressing.

 
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Smith, Kevin DET RB

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB

Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB

Very happy with my RB group thus far. Getting the #1 pick and LT allowed for some freedom to take chances at RB IMO. LT is as safe a bet as there gets to be top 5 among RBs and he plays for a team that will almost certainly go deep in the playoffs. I have little confidence in either of the other RBs going to the post-season, but they are the starting RBs on their team and will get touches... thus producing points. Williams was silly value at the end of round 6 in a 16 team league IMO. GB the Stewart hype!

Boldin, Anquan ARI WR

Burress, Plaxico NYG WR

Galloway, Joey TBB WR

Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR

Stallworth, Donte' CLE WR

Very please with my WRs group as I made an extended effort to sure up this position. Knowing that it would likely be slim pickings for me thanks to picking at the end of rd 2 and the format of the league I wanted to get a lot of WRs with picks 2-8. Moreover, I wanted to get as many WR1s as possible. I'm very happy with the results and think that Ginn is the only player of the group with little chance to see post-season action.

Gaines, Michael DET TE

Hartsock, Ben ATL TE

Just tried to get the last of the starting TEs.

Folk, Nick DAL PK

Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK

Pretty simple here. I thought these 2 guys had a distinct advantage over the rest of the Ks given the format of the league. Dal and NE are the 2 best offensive teams in the NFL and both should go deep into the playoffs.

Cowboys, Dallas DAL Def

This was my top ranked D for this draft so I was very pleased to see 3 go before them.

 
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Jurb, I actually liked your kicker move the best. I was oh so close to doing something similar with QBs.

Like the WR heavy route. I think I did that last year because I thought they were being neglected. I ended up with good results, as far as the draft is concerned (before the season and injuries).

Don't agree with you on Williams/Stewart obviously. I don't know too much about the hype surrounding Stewart, haven't followed it. I just remember seeing a lot of Stewart in college and thinking he was a sure thing. Like, too talented to even split much. And I think he will be a big cog in that Carolina wheel, with a team that I think will be good. But we'll see...

 
I am pretty happy with my draft so far. It's easy to get behind 8-ball in this draft, and feel like you're playing catch-up with certain positions you must fill. I have yet to have that problem. Not that I have some blockbuster team but I haven't had to chase at all. Nice being being at the beginning of runs. Took a gamble here and there and some pla

Laugh, but I like my Chris Perry pick.

The downside is Hear-the-footsteps has now taken 4 guys I wanted, right before me...haha. Winslow, Shockey, Panthers QB and Baltimore D. Seriously.

 
Ruds is going to have to repick as Gator wanted Kevin Jones and emailed everyone that that was who he wanted and Ruds picked him almost an hour later. Ruds is back on the clock . . .

 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
I am pretty happy with my draft so far. It's easy to get behind 8-ball in this draft, and feel like you're playing catch-up with certain positions you must fill. I have yet to have that problem. Not that I have some blockbuster team but I haven't had to chase at all. Nice being being at the beginning of runs. Took a gamble here and there and some plaLaugh, but I like my Chris Perry pick.The downside is Hear-the-footsteps has now taken 4 guys I wanted, right before me...haha. Winslow, Shockey, Panthers QB and Baltimore D. Seriously.
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:lmao:
 
David Yudkin said:
Ruds is going to have to repick as Gator wanted Kevin Jones and emailed everyone that that was who he wanted and Ruds picked him almost an hour later. Ruds is back on the clock . . .
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yeah, sorry abouyt that. I was out all day and I thought I had set up enough picks to get me through.
 
Running the dominator here. Despite not following the suggested picks, the best part of this draft is seeing the projected point differential between me and Lhucks increasing every round. I'd plot the differential for you by round but I don't know how to draw an exponential curve here.

 
Hear-the-Footsteps said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
I am pretty happy with my draft so far. It's easy to get behind 8-ball in this draft, and feel like you're playing catch-up with certain positions you must fill. I have yet to have that problem. Not that I have some blockbuster team but I haven't had to chase at all. Nice being being at the beginning of runs. Took a gamble here and there and some plaLaugh, but I like my Chris Perry pick.The downside is Hear-the-footsteps has now taken 4 guys I wanted, right before me...haha. Winslow, Shockey, Panthers QB and Baltimore D. Seriously.
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:excited:
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No joke, I wanted Dunn. You did it again. Who knows how it'll all turn out but damn...
 
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LHUCKS said:
13.13 - Deion Branch



DOMINANT
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Branch is in serious danger of starting the regular season on the PUP (missing a minimum of 6 games) and still can't practice or go 100%. At this point, I would be surprised if he had 30-40 receptions this year.BTW, having watched him for years on NE, this is his M.O. as he gets hurt pretty regularly. He's missed time every year except one in six seasons (soon to be seven).

 
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