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Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
Fourth Quarter Denver Broncos at 03:46 1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
Check the timestamp on that post :wall:
 
Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
Fourth Quarter Denver Broncos at 03:46 1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
OK H.K.But there were still 11 guys on defense, all of whom excelled on the HS and College level before hitting the pros...Mike Bell went undrafted so he is not ranked that much higher than some of these scrubs...many of whom were actually drafted by some teams when they came out of college.I agree you take that 38 yd run with a grain of salt...but its not like he did it against the girl scouts. And he probably did not have Nalen and Foster blocking on that play either. 2 sides to that coin.
 
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Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
Fourth Quarter Denver Broncos at 03:46 1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
OK H.K.But there were still 11 guys on defense, all of whom excelled on the HS and College level before hitting the pros...Mike Bell went undrafted so he is not ranked that much higher than some of these scrubs...many of whom were actually drafted by some teams when they came out of college.I agree you take that 38 yd run with a grain of salt...but its not like he did it against the girl scouts. And he probably did not have Nalen and Foster blocking on that play either. 2 sides to that coin.
I hear you, but here's another way to look at it:How many starting/feature RB's were getting carries late in the fourth quarter last night?
 
Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
Fourth Quarter Denver Broncos at 03:46 1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
OK H.K.But there were still 11 guys on defense, all of whom excelled on the HS and College level before hitting the pros...Mike Bell went undrafted so he is not ranked that much higher than some of these scrubs...many of whom were actually drafted by some teams when they came out of college.I agree you take that 38 yd run with a grain of salt...but its not like he did it against the girl scouts. And he probably did not have Nalen and Foster blocking on that play either. 2 sides to that coin.
I hear you, but here's another way to look at it:How many starting/feature RB's were getting carries late in the fourth quarter last night?
at least one was.
 
Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
Fourth Quarter Denver Broncos at 03:46 1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
OK H.K.But there were still 11 guys on defense, all of whom excelled on the HS and College level before hitting the pros...Mike Bell went undrafted so he is not ranked that much higher than some of these scrubs...many of whom were actually drafted by some teams when they came out of college.I agree you take that 38 yd run with a grain of salt...but its not like he did it against the girl scouts. And he probably did not have Nalen and Foster blocking on that play either. 2 sides to that coin.
I hear you, but here's another way to look at it:How many starting/feature RB's were getting carries late in the fourth quarter last night?
It's an excellent point H.K.I was a little concerned about why would Shanny send MBell back into the game...but he also used Tatum in the 2nd half, maybe he wanted to see how they did late in the game. It's preseason but Denver came back and did win the game. Granted neither back took a full load but they didn't get the whole night off either. They were fresh and they did a lot more damage to AZ and their scrubs in the 2nd half. I'm not wording this right but there is something that SHanny wanted to see and I think he got what he was looking for.At this point I think it is a full blown RBBC...Week1 MBell 15/75, 3/20...TBell 10/45/1, 2/15Week2 MBell 15/75/1, 2/15...TBell 13/88, 1/10week3 MBell 19/123, 3/20...TBell 10/39/1, 1/10I think it's gonna look something like this. One RB has 15 FF points, the other 8-10...next week you flip em around. I could certainly be wrong but this will be the closest thing we will see to pure RBBC by any team this season IMO.
 
At this point I think it is a full blown RBBC...Week1 MBell 15/75, 3/20...TBell 10/45/1, 2/15Week2 MBell 15/75/1, 2/15...TBell 13/88, 1/10week3 MBell 19/123, 3/20...TBell 10/39/1, 1/10I think it's gonna look something like this. One RB has 15 FF points, the other 8-10...next week you flip em around. I could certainly be wrong but this will be the closest thing we will see to pure RBBC by any team this season IMO.
Pretty much the way I see it. Tatum's role is fully defined, he'll be used the same as last season.Another question: Who gets the GL love? Will Shanny designate an RB or stick with whoever is on the field during a particular drive?
 
At this point I think it is a full blown RBBC...

Week1 MBell 15/75, 3/20...TBell 10/45/1, 2/15

Week2 MBell 15/75/1, 2/15...TBell 13/88, 1/10

week3 MBell 19/123, 3/20...TBell 10/39/1, 1/10

I think it's gonna look something like this. One RB has 15 FF points, the other 8-10...next week you flip em around. I could certainly be wrong but this will be the closest thing we will see to pure RBBC by any team this season IMO.
Pretty much the way I see it. Tatum's role is fully defined, he'll be used the same as last season.Another question: Who gets the GL love? Will Shanny designate an RB or stick with whoever is on the field during a particular drive?
Tatum has taken them across the goal line now 2 weeks in a row...here is an article from the Denver Post this morning, pretty good stuff.Battle of backs still up in air

By Mike Klis

Denver Post Staff Writer

Broncos running back Mike Bell, top, is tackled by Cardinals defensive tackle Langston Moore, left, and linebacker Gerald Hayes during the first quarter Thursday night in Glendale, Ariz. (AP / Rick Hossman)

Glendale, Ariz. - This was going to be the great running back runoff.

One game, and one preseason game only. May the best man win.

The legs were limber, the tension was thick. Mike Bell, the bursting bundle of aggression, was the preseason incumbent. Tatum Bell, the gliding sprinter, was close behind. Cedric Cobbs, all muscle and shoulder pads, had made a surprising late move.

Ready, guys? Great. Now block.

What was supposed to be a running back drama instead became the Jay Cutler Air Show as the Broncos rallied to beat the Arizona Cardinals, 29-23, in the final preseason game for both teams here Thursday night at brand-new Cardinals Stadium.

This was yet another lesson that nobody knows what Broncos coach Mike Shanahan will do before he does it.

In the days leading up to the exhibition finale, Shanahan announced the running back competition would be reopened against the Cardinals.

Mike Bell had made the shocking leap from undrafted rookie to No. 1 tailback in the week prior to the preseason. Was Shanahan having second thoughts by preseason end?

As it turned out, Shanahan seemingly gave it little thought at all, at least in the first half. Instead, Shanahan appeared preoccupied with getting more passing experience to Cutler, his talented new quarterback.

"We probably threw it a little more than we usually do, but a lot had to do with the defense they were doing," Shanahan said.

With all established starters kept out of the exhibition finale, the Broncos' three leading running backs entered halftime with a combined for 33 yards on 10 carries.

By game's end, Mike Bell (9 carries, 74 yards), Tatum Bell (48 yards, 9 carries) and Cobbs (8 carries, 34 yards) combined for 156 yards on 26 carries. Cutler also had another 201 yards passing by completing 13 of 19 attempts.

"I'm confused," Shanahan said. "But it's good to be confused that way. In the past we've lost three running backs and we had to use the fullback."

The play of the game was a perfectly thrown, 84-yard scoring strike

from Cutler to David Kircus, who appears to be the No. 3 Broncos receiver heading into the regular-season opener, Sept. 10 at St. Louis.

As for the ground game, the Broncos' top rusher is once again nobody and everybody. It appears the Broncos may open the season with all three running backs.

"I don't think we'll use three," Tatum Bell said. "It'll probably come down like we did last year, use two for most of the game, but I want to be the one getting 20 carries. All I could do tonight was try to make the decision hard on Coach Shanahan."

Ron Dayne entered training camp as the No. 1 tailback. He was demoted to No. 3, and a turf toe injury may have cost him a chance to make the roster.Dayne did not carry the ball Thursday.

In the second half, the Broncos decided to rest Cutler's arm and give some snaps - probably for the last time - to No. 3 quarterback Bradlee Van Pelt. It was while Van Pelt was under center that the running back race picked up in intensity.

Tatum Bell and Cobbs rotated series behind Van Pelt through the third quarter and most of the fourth. Mike Bell, meanwhile, appeared to have received the rest of the night off yet, another sign that the tailback depth chart is likely unchanged. But wait. After Tatum Bell and Cobbs began running with authority, Mike Bell went in for the final series - and broke off a 38-yard run.

Mike Bell finished his stunning preseason with 187 yards on 35 carries, an impressive 5.3-yard-per-carry average.

But Cobbs and Tatum Bell made one last surge. After Van Pelt threw a short touchdown pass early in the fourth quarter to fullback Cecil Sapp, Cobbs ran around left end for a game-tying, two-point conversion.

On the next series, Tatum Bell broke off two long runs, setting up a first-and-goal, then swept around left end for a game-winning, 1-yard touchdown.

Five goals revisited

Mike Klis assesses how the Broncos fared on five goals the team wanted to accomplish in its final preseason game Thursday at Arizona.

1. Fins a No. 1 running back. Mike Bell likely held on to the top spot after gaining 74 yards on nine carries. Tatum Bell had 48 yards on nine carries. Cedric Cobbs had 34 yards on eight carries.

2. Cutler's final test. Against the Cards' No. 1 defense, rookie QB Jay Cutler put together a 12-play drive for a field goal on one series and threw an 84-yard TD to David Kircus in the second. Against the No. 2 defense, Cutler threw a second TD to Todd Devoe but also had an interception returned for a touchdown.

3. The roster bubble. Kircus went from longshot when camp began to earning the No. 3 receiver spot with five catches for 122 yards. WR Devoe dropped a deep pass in the clear, but later leaped to make a tough TD catch in traffic. TE Nate Jackson played well. CB Karl Paymah had a tough night.

4. Contain Air Warner. Between the 20s, Arizona QB Kurt Warner picked apart the Denver D, but the Broncos stiffened in the red zone. Warner was 10-of-12 for 132 yards in two drives, but both ended in short field goals.

5. The punt-off. Neither Paul Ernster nor Micah Knorr had a great night, but because it was Ernster's job to lose, it would be a shock if he wasn't picked to fill in for suspended Todd Sauerbrun.

Staff writer Mike Klis can be reached at 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com.

 
proninja said:
Everybody in this thread save Dodds should be embarassed about the way they are acting.You have two options with the Denver running game1. Get them all2. Get none of themPick one, shut up, and wait for it to get sorted out. TIA.
Please, it's the Friday before Labor Day and some of us are stuck at work, this will speed things along so let us have our fun, thanks.
 
proninja said:
Please, it\'s the Friday before Labor Day and some of us are stuck at work, this will speed things along so let us have our fun, thanks.
Stuck at work? :confused:
Yeah Ninja, I'd like to be on the beach already over here in Santa Monica sipping on a high ball and lighting up a MonteCristo Cuban, instead I am baby sitting files with my processor. I'm sure this never happens to you fellow broker, right?
 
no.gif if he was truely backed by the devil, his average would be 666, not 6.666667.
So he's not quite The Beast then? Neighbor of the Beast? Probably close enough.As mentioned....get them all or get none. That's pretty much the only way to look at it before meaningful games have started.
 
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One more 'hells bells' reference and Ill dispose of them both.We do run a business here and dont take kindly to infringement.

Regretfully,

Satan.

 
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At this point I think it is a full blown RBBC...Week1 MBell 15/75, 3/20...TBell 10/45/1, 2/15Week2 MBell 15/75/1, 2/15...TBell 13/88, 1/10week3 MBell 19/123, 3/20...TBell 10/39/1, 1/10I think it's gonna look something like this. One RB has 15 FF points, the other 8-10...next week you flip em around. I could certainly be wrong but this will be the closest thing we will see to pure RBBC by any team this season IMO.
Pretty much the way I see it. Tatum's role is fully defined, he'll be used the same as last season.Another question: Who gets the GL love? Will Shanny designate an RB or stick with whoever is on the field during a particular drive?
Project those numbers out over a full season and you getM Bell:1456 ru yds293 re yds5+ TDs- 206 total fantasy points; good for 9th rated FF RB last season.T. Bell917 ru yds186 re yds10+ TDs- 174 total fantasy points; good for 13th rated FF RB last season.I wonder if two RBs from the same team have ever ranked that highly?Not trying to bag on you projections MOP, or anybody else's opinion for that matter.Personally, I feel that one of the Denver backs is going to be the fetured runner for the majority of the season, barring injury or ineffectiveness. Other than a couple of seasons where injuries struck and so on, Shanahan prefers a featured runner (look it up).Mike Bell - Looks like he has the best shot. Has done nothing but prove he can be effective. Has run with the first team all season and has looked good doing it.T. Bell - Has also looked very good, but the knock on him is he has had two years to seize the reins and has been unable to do so.Cobbs - Once again proving the theory that with Denver RBs, you can plug and play. I truly beleive that if he takes over as the feature back, he will be succesful. However, he has done nothing to this point (against top level competition) to merit overtaking both Bells. Not once has he been anyting more than the third TB used by Denver this preseason.Last though; if any other starting RB on any other team had the same sort of pre-season that Mike Bell has had, they would have jumped into the top 10. He has started every game; stayed atop the depth all produced when given the chance.Look at Atlanta's rushing stats this preseason; no one is calling for Norwood or Jackson to be the starter.Norwood - 214 ru ydsJackson - 204 ru ydsDunn - 31 ru ydsThe negatives; he is an undrafted, unheralded rookie. The RBs behind him show potential and we all know Shanahan.It's all about reputation; it appers to me that is the only thing Mike Bell is missing.Disclaimer - Obviously I beleive Mike Bell will be the fetured back in Denver this season and am biased based on that opinion.
 
As a Mike Bell owner, this all seems pretty clear-cut to me:

MBell = Starter, will get 60% of the carries

TBell = Change of pace, 40% of the carries

They'll alternate series in some form, so whoever's in on a particular drive will finish it. This could mean that in any given game, either Bell could score.

IF Mike Bell gets hurt, Cobbs becomes the starter, and TBell remains in his current role.

I wish I could say that MBell will take the starting job and run with it, but it's apparent that TBell will get his share of work - no more, no less. How effective he is, depends on the defense he's facing.

Will TBell outplay MBell on a given day? Sure. Is he likely to put up a 10-carry, 22-yard day against a quick D that can gameplan for him? Just as likely.

It's a mess, and as a MBell owner who drank the Kool-Aid, I'd really rather not deal with it all year. If I can trade him to the TBell owner and get other value in return, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

 
One more 'hells bells' reference and Ill dispose of them both.We do run a business here and dont take kindly to infringement.Regretfully,Satan.
The thought of Satan having a personal secretary to dictate letters to Shanny is quite humorous. Hmmmm....*phone rings in Mike Shanahan's office*Shanny: "Word!"Caller: "Mike? Dan Satan. Hey, the reason I'm calling is...."Shanny: "WHAT IS YOUR BIDDING, MASTER?!"Satan: "It's funny you mention that, it's why I'm calling. Listen, I hate to be a ###, but the boys have been telling me that you're facilitating the belief that you're some form of "minion" of mine. I checked with HR and it seems that, though we'd love to have you on board down here, we've never actually received a soul from you. I'm afraid without that, the best position I can offer you is something along the lines of midge or mane...or perhaps a minor demon. How'd that sound?"Shanny: "....."Satan: "Mike? Are you still there?"
 
One more 'hells bells' reference and Ill dispose of them both.We do run a business here and dont take kindly to infringement.Regretfully,Satan.
The thought of Satan having a personal secretary to dictate letters to Shanny is quite humorous. Hmmmm....*phone rings in Mike Shanahan's office*Shanny: "Word!"Caller: "Mike? Dan Satan. Hey, the reason I'm calling is...."Shanny: "WHAT IS YOUR BIDDING, MASTER?!"Satan: "It's funny you mention that, it's why I'm calling. Listen, I hate to be a ###, but the boys have been telling me that you're facilitating the belief that you're some form of "minion" of mine. I checked with HR and it seems that, though we'd love to have you on board down here, we've never actually received a soul from you. I'm afraid without that, the best position I can offer you is something along the lines of midge or mane...or perhaps a minor demon. How'd that sound?"Shanny: "....."Satan: "Mike? Are you still there?"
You need some time away from the board. Go take a walk outside and get some frsh air.
 
One more 'hells bells' reference and Ill dispose of them both.We do run a business here and dont take kindly to infringement.Regretfully,Satan.
The thought of Satan having a personal secretary to dictate letters to Shanny is quite humorous. Hmmmm....*phone rings in Mike Shanahan's office*Shanny: "Word!"Caller: "Mike? Dan Satan. Hey, the reason I'm calling is...."Shanny: "WHAT IS YOUR BIDDING, MASTER?!"Satan: "It's funny you mention that, it's why I'm calling. Listen, I hate to be a ###, but the boys have been telling me that you're facilitating the belief that you're some form of "minion" of mine. I checked with HR and it seems that, though we'd love to have you on board down here, we've never actually received a soul from you. I'm afraid without that, the best position I can offer you is something along the lines of midge or mane...or perhaps a minor demon. How'd that sound?"Shanny: "....."Satan: "Mike? Are you still there?"
Shanny's response would have been "I already traded Portis!"
 
As I said before (in another Mike Bell thread) anyone that is depending on a Bronco RB to be an every week starter for them (*in a standard 12 team league) is in some trouble. Where Mike Bell has value is:- Other RBs get injured- He does so well that Shani can't get him off the field (unlikely)- He has one or two great performances in a row (say total 250 yards and 3 TDs) so you can trade him quickly.Other than that he's not someone I would want to start on a weekly basis.Oh, and regarding:

You have two options with the Denver running game1. Get them all2. Get none of them
Why would I want 3 RBs on my roster when only 1 MIGHT have minimal fantasy value? I think the best play on Denver is make one speculative grab (unless there's nothing else out there) and play or trade them as necessary.My perspective - who cares what Mike Bell gets on a weekly basis - it's gonna be more than the best RB on my waiver wire.
 
broncofan13000 said:
cantrell said:
I wish Shanny would hurry up and decide because Ron Dayne and Mike Bell are sitting on waivers and my running backs are Tiki, Marion Barber, and Maroney. :angry:
if mike bell is out there, pick him up, ####### hell.
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nygiants56 said:
5 ypc is pretty good where I' m from. Tatums 5 for 12 ain't getting it done
Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Uh...if I were Shanahan, I'd find the big run pretty important too.
problems is, ever since Portis left town, they've been using a RBBC format..once again,it'll happen this year, IMO..that limits the potential of M. Bell..
Yup, it limits the potential of ALL Denver RBs. Instead of one top-10 back like we're all used to seeing, we'll probably have two top-20 backs instead this year.Where's that darn rock-kicking smiley when you need it...
Mordraken said:
As I said before (in another Mike Bell thread) anyone that is depending on a Bronco RB to be an every week starter for them (*in a standard 12 team league) is in some trouble. Where Mike Bell has value is:- Other RBs get injured- He does so well that Shani can't get him off the field (unlikely)- He has one or two great performances in a row (say total 250 yards and 3 TDs) so you can trade him quickly.Other than that he's not someone I would want to start on a weekly basis.Oh, and regarding:

You have two options with the Denver running game1. Get them all2. Get none of them
Why would I want 3 RBs on my roster when only 1 MIGHT have minimal fantasy value? I think the best play on Denver is make one speculative grab (unless there's nothing else out there) and play or trade them as necessary.My perspective - who cares what Mike Bell gets on a weekly basis - it's gonna be more than the best RB on my waiver wire.
There's no MIGHT about it. One of the Denver RBs is going to have substantial fantasy value this season. In fact, it's likely that TWO Denver RBs have substantial value. Is it worth it burning three roster slots in order to net an all-but-guaranteed top-15 RB and a top-30 RB?
 
And the fun shall continue...

Broncos | Team still has not named a starting running back

Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:42:42 -0700

Andrew Mason, of DenverBroncos.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan remains noncommittal as to who will be the team's starting running back Sept. 10. "I'm still totally confused," Shanahan said. "It's good to be confused that way - when all three guys play pretty good. That's what you want."

 
And the fun shall continue...Broncos | Team still has not named a starting running backFri, 1 Sep 2006 13:42:42 -0700Andrew Mason, of DenverBroncos.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan remains noncommittal as to who will be the team's starting running back Sept. 10. "I'm still totally confused," Shanahan said. "It's good to be confused that way - when all three guys play pretty good. That's what you want."
And in a breaking story, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
 
And the fun shall continue...Broncos | Team still has not named a starting running backFri, 1 Sep 2006 13:42:42 -0700Andrew Mason, of DenverBroncos.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan remains noncommittal as to who will be the team's starting running back Sept. 10. "I'm still totally confused," Shanahan said. "It's good to be confused that way - when all three guys play pretty good. That's what you want."
And in a breaking story, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
Just reporting it - you'll have to take up the hidden meaning with Coach Franco.
 
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Haven't had a Denver RB since Portis, and have wanted one every year since, but haven't known which to choose. Same thing again this year. Really was planning on MBell, but have to go with a sure starter now instead. Who knows, it could be the first full blown RBBC in Denver. At least in years past Shanny went with one guy the majority of the year, now, that's not a gurantee.

 
Stats don't tell everything. Take out his big run and then calculate the YPC.
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
Fourth Quarter Denver Broncos at 03:46 1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
OK H.K.But there were still 11 guys on defense, all of whom excelled on the HS and College level before hitting the pros...Mike Bell went undrafted so he is not ranked that much higher than some of these scrubs...many of whom were actually drafted by some teams when they came out of college.I agree you take that 38 yd run with a grain of salt...but its not like he did it against the girl scouts. And he probably did not have Nalen and Foster blocking on that play either. 2 sides to that coin.
I hear you, but here's another way to look at it:How many starting/feature RB's were getting carries late in the fourth quarter last night?
It's an excellent point H.K.I was a little concerned about why would Shanny send MBell back into the game...but he also used Tatum in the 2nd half, maybe he wanted to see how they did late in the game. It's preseason but Denver came back and did win the game. Granted neither back took a full load but they didn't get the whole night off either. They were fresh and they did a lot more damage to AZ and their scrubs in the 2nd half. I'm not wording this right but there is something that SHanny wanted to see and I think he got what he was looking for.At this point I think it is a full blown RBBC...Week1 MBell 15/75, 3/20...TBell 10/45/1, 2/15Week2 MBell 15/75/1, 2/15...TBell 13/88, 1/10week3 MBell 19/123, 3/20...TBell 10/39/1, 1/10I think it's gonna look something like this. One RB has 15 FF points, the other 8-10...next week you flip em around. I could certainly be wrong but this will be the closest thing we will see to pure RBBC by any team this season IMO.
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