oukurt
Footballguy
Actually your point was taking out M Bell's long run of the night and then figuring his YPC.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
This is reaching "Dumbest Thread Ever" territory.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I know you are but what am I???
Big Score
Footballguy
Couple of things here.
Earlier, Shanny specifically said Dayne was his starter & T Bell was the 10 to 12 carry guy.
Obviously Dayne is not going to be the starter, so we can throw what Shanny said there, out the window.
Shanny has more recently said that the RB situation is still up for grabs.
Anyone who says they know for a certainity who the starter is, is full of hot air.
Earlier, Shanny specifically said Dayne was his starter & T Bell was the 10 to 12 carry guy.
Obviously Dayne is not going to be the starter, so we can throw what Shanny said there, out the window.
Shanny has more recently said that the RB situation is still up for grabs.
Anyone who says they know for a certainity who the starter is, is full of hot air.
WOW
I wish I would have never of posted this. I state something matter of factly and next thing you know all the wishful thinking Tatum owners go into cry baby mode ala TO. I really don't give a #### cause I don't have a RB from denver. But when someone gets defensive about the subject then end post with "and I own mike bell" They are really saying I have Tatum and I really want him to be the man so I'll argue about it until I'm blue in the face and maybe it will come true.
Draft better next year and save your self the trouble of having to justify your pick.
I wish I would have never of posted this. I state something matter of factly and next thing you know all the wishful thinking Tatum owners go into cry baby mode ala TO. I really don't give a #### cause I don't have a RB from denver. But when someone gets defensive about the subject then end post with "and I own mike bell" They are really saying I have Tatum and I really want him to be the man so I'll argue about it until I'm blue in the face and maybe it will come true.
Draft better next year and save your self the trouble of having to justify your pick.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Excellent point Guru.This is and always has been the correct answer. (Well, except for the lucky SOBs who guess right )
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Contributing to an insane discussion about removing long runs and figuring out YPC?I know you are but what am I???
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Mike Bell had 9 carries for 74 yds
Tatum had 9 carries for 48 yds and a TD.
Would it surprise anyone...forget the ypc...would it surprise anyone if you look at the stats after week 1 and MBell has 100 total yds and zero TDs, and Tatum has 50 total yds and a TD? Or vice versa?
I would think it will be frustrating and most Denver RBs should be thought of as RB3 and spot plays till one emerges as the go to guy if one ever does.
Tatum had 9 carries for 48 yds and a TD.
Would it surprise anyone...forget the ypc...would it surprise anyone if you look at the stats after week 1 and MBell has 100 total yds and zero TDs, and Tatum has 50 total yds and a TD? Or vice versa?
I would think it will be frustrating and most Denver RBs should be thought of as RB3 and spot plays till one emerges as the go to guy if one ever does.
T Bell
Footballguy
If you add that run to my totals then I should be the starter.
oukurt
Footballguy
If I created the username "Richard Nixon" and started a thread titled "I am not a crook." would it be as funny as your shtick?If you add that run to my totals then I should be the starter.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I love exploding into holes.
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T Bell
Footballguy
Typical Sooner fan. You call it a covered wagon, but we all know it's just the 1800's version of your double-wide.If I created the username "Richard Nixon" and started a thread titled "I am not a crook." would it be as funny as your shtick?If you add that run to my totals then I should be the starter.
I get sick of hearing. "take away this play...his stats are no good" Just wanted to post the stats from Jamal's 295 yd game
1st qtr: 82, 23, 2, 0, 3, 0, -4, 3, 1, 9
2nd qtr: 5, 6, 2, 48, 2, -1
3rd qtr: 4, 3, 0, 1, 1, 6
4th qtr: 63, 1, 19, 3, 2, 2, 9, 2
take out the three rushes for big yards and that's a 3.77 ypc...not so good...take out the top 5 and it's 2.4 ypc. Look at that 3rd qtr, 2.5 ypc! I'm sure everyone who had him starting that week (or that year) was disappointed.
One thing I'm sure everyone agrees on is that Shanahan really cares what happens fantasy teams because of his decisions. His focus has nothing to do with the matchups he sees and who he thinks can exploit those advantages.
Bottom line...you're probably going to end up with a 40/40/20 split between bell/bell/cobbs. Whoever doesn't fumble will get more time.
1st qtr: 82, 23, 2, 0, 3, 0, -4, 3, 1, 9
2nd qtr: 5, 6, 2, 48, 2, -1
3rd qtr: 4, 3, 0, 1, 1, 6
4th qtr: 63, 1, 19, 3, 2, 2, 9, 2
take out the three rushes for big yards and that's a 3.77 ypc...not so good...take out the top 5 and it's 2.4 ypc. Look at that 3rd qtr, 2.5 ypc! I'm sure everyone who had him starting that week (or that year) was disappointed.
One thing I'm sure everyone agrees on is that Shanahan really cares what happens fantasy teams because of his decisions. His focus has nothing to do with the matchups he sees and who he thinks can exploit those advantages.
Bottom line...you're probably going to end up with a 40/40/20 split between bell/bell/cobbs. Whoever doesn't fumble will get more time.
Brock Middlebrook
Footballguy
noIf I created the username "Richard Nixon" and started a thread titled "I am not a crook." would it be as funny as your shtick?If you add that run to my totals then I should be the starter.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Denver Broncos at 11:55 4th quater ........
1-10-DEN49 (11:55) T.Bell right tackle to ARZ 29 for 22 yards (A.Francisco).
PENALTY on ARZ-A.Francisco, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at ARZ 29.
1-10-ARI14 (11:27) T.Bell up the middle to ARZ 1 for 13 yards (J.Brewer).
1-1-ARI1 (10:46) T.Bell right tackle to ARZ 1 for no gain (J.Lewis).
2-1-ARI1 (10:11) T.Bell left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
4 straight rushes for Tatum Bell. Goal Line carry. TD
Denver Broncos at 03:46 4th quarter
1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
1-10-ARI34 (2:58) M.Bell right end to ARZ 25 for 9 yards (D.Hunter, Bra.Johnson).
PENALTY on DEN-C.Mustard, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at ARZ 34 - No Play.
1-20-ARI44 (2:51) M.Bell right end to ARZ 40 for 4 yards (Ma.Brown).
2-16-ARI40 (2:07) M.Bell left tackle to ARZ 35 for 5 yards (A.Schable).
3-11-ARI35 (2:02) B.Van Pelt pass incomplete short left to D.Watts.
Mike Bell very late in the 4th gets 56 of his 74 yards.
What does the above say to me ? As a Tatum Bell owner ......... well schit it doesn't mean ANYTHING but I have to say I'm still a BELIEVER in Taum Bell.
I love him.
1-10-DEN49 (11:55) T.Bell right tackle to ARZ 29 for 22 yards (A.Francisco).
PENALTY on ARZ-A.Francisco, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at ARZ 29.
1-10-ARI14 (11:27) T.Bell up the middle to ARZ 1 for 13 yards (J.Brewer).
1-1-ARI1 (10:46) T.Bell right tackle to ARZ 1 for no gain (J.Lewis).
2-1-ARI1 (10:11) T.Bell left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
4 straight rushes for Tatum Bell. Goal Line carry. TD
Denver Broncos at 03:46 4th quarter
1-10-DEN28 (3:46) M.Bell up the middle to ARZ 34 for 38 yards (D.Hunter).
1-10-ARI34 (2:58) M.Bell right end to ARZ 25 for 9 yards (D.Hunter, Bra.Johnson).
PENALTY on DEN-C.Mustard, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at ARZ 34 - No Play.
1-20-ARI44 (2:51) M.Bell right end to ARZ 40 for 4 yards (Ma.Brown).
2-16-ARI40 (2:07) M.Bell left tackle to ARZ 35 for 5 yards (A.Schable).
3-11-ARI35 (2:02) B.Van Pelt pass incomplete short left to D.Watts.
Mike Bell very late in the 4th gets 56 of his 74 yards.
What does the above say to me ? As a Tatum Bell owner ......... well schit it doesn't mean ANYTHING but I have to say I'm still a BELIEVER in Taum Bell.
I love him.
SSOG
Moderator
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.Shanahan likes discussing the competition at certain positions. While I think it's interesting that he had Mike Bell play this game, I think the way he used his RBs showed pretty clearly that he wasn't interested in using the results of this game to determine the starter, no matter what the "media" was reporting.If Mike Shanahan really was interested in evaluating Cobbs, I suspect Cobbs would have gotten... I don't know... at least ONE carry against a first-string defense this preseason. While I don't think Shanny would have been horribly OPPOSED to shaking up his roster if something dramatic happened tonight, I think it's telling that MBell, TBell, and Cobbs all got their carries in the order of the depth chart. I also think that if Shanny was serious about giving Cobbs a chance to win the starting job, he would have given Cobbs another series after his first series ended in the Cutler INT in just 3 plays, rather than just immediately skipping back to MBell.Please note that I put quotes around the word "media" because I don't consider the Denver Broncos' official webpage to be a reliable news source. I don't even have it bookmarked. Take that for what it's worth.
SSOG
Moderator
Well, the whole "take away this play... his stats are no good" arguement only works with boom-or-bust RBs. Barry Sanders was a Boom or Bust RB. Jamal Lewis is a Boom or Bust RB. Deuce McAllister is a Boom or Bust RB. If you take away their longest runs, their stats don't look nearly as good.Of course, in terms of actual NFL production, you can't take away runs- and a lot of coaches LOVE boom-or-bust RBs. Doesn't change the fact that Shanahan hates B-or-Bers. Jamal Lewis wouldn't have started for the Denver Broncos, even in his 2,000 yard season.I also don't expect Denver's RB3 to get 20% of the carries (like you're predicting). If you look at it last year, Dayne (denver's RB3) really only got carries when Anderson was hurt, or to reward him for doing well with his carries the week before. If Anderson never got hurt, Dayne might not have gotten a single carry all season. I don't expect the RB3 to be a factor in the carry distribution. I'd guess it'll shake out to a 50/40/10 split, with 50% going to RB1, 40% going to Tater, and 10% going to WRs, FBs, and RB3+.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
anyone remember what happened to Droughns and 2004 preseason? I don't think he got any carries against the first team D as well
SSOG
Moderator
Anyone remember what had to happen for Droughns to see the field in 2004?Mike Anderson... put on IR, lost for the year.Tatum Bell and Garrison Hearst- injured and missed pretty much all of camp, no knowledge of the offense.Quentin Griffin- Ineffectual and eventually injured.Saying that a backup RB in Denver has a great chance to become the starter because it happened in 2004 is sort of like saying that the 4th string RB in Carolina has a great chance to start some games this year, too- because that happened in 2004, as well.
Big Score
Footballguy
Just saying SSOG.
SSOG
Moderator
Cobbs is worth a flier on the off chance that the guy ahead of him gets injured and he gets the job- just like any other handcuff. Still, the odds of him getting the starting job < the odds of him NOT getting the starting job.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Im sick of all of this. Im gonna try to trade Wali Lundy and Mike Bell for Willis McGahee.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
if mike bell is out there, pick him up, ####### hell.I wish Shanny would hurry up and decide because Ron Dayne and Mike Bell are sitting on waivers and my running backs are Tiki, Marion Barber, and Maroney.
nygiants56
Footballguy
problems is, ever since Portis left town, they've been using a RBBC format..once again,it'll happen this year, IMO..that limits the potential of M. Bell..
Neo
The Dude minds
aldelgreco
Footballguy
F Bristol.
That's always a classic line that makes me laugh. Like it doesn't count.
I'm going to take out the shortest gain and all that equal it because you just said I can. Mike Bell ALL WORLD!!!!
goonsquad
Think different.
GOroute
Footballguy
tatum owner here. got him late as my 4th rb after mike bell was picked. now late into the draft. round 17. cobbs is there. to take or not to take. i think if you can get 2 of 3 denver rb's late enough, why not, right? so then us tatum or m.bell owners must ask ourselves, is it worth it to spend a late pick on cobbs over guys like...
brunell, k.collins, j.wells, jj arrington, blaylock, m.moore, c.houston, c.jackson, c.henry, troy brown, etc etc....
this pick while it could be meaningless could be a steal of your draft.
brunell, k.collins, j.wells, jj arrington, blaylock, m.moore, c.houston, c.jackson, c.henry, troy brown, etc etc....
this pick while it could be meaningless could be a steal of your draft.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Yes, it could...but keep in mind that "could" is almost as big as Shanny's ego.
GOroute
Footballguy
Agreed. But when you compare it to the other trash out there, cobbs has by far the highest ceiling unless wells could be the starter in Indy.
Based on where you can get him in most drafts, I can see why Cobbs is the better value pick, but why do you think he has the highest ceiling?
Denver's track record suggests that whoever gets the nod will post 1,000 yards easily. I probably would go with someone who currently has a better shot at playing time (the Bells), but again you end up paying for that with a much higher draft pick so the value suffers.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
You're not "sitty pretty" with Tatum and Cobbs if Mike is getting all the reps.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
The key to examining this outlier is well, how the #### did it happen? Did the O-line do all the work, simply allowing Mike Bell run un-touched for 20 yards? Or did he work for most of them. This is where youtube comes in handy, assuming the NFL doesn't start cracking down on highlight films posted on the site. Caddy Williams is a guy who, IMO, benefited from o-line play and defenses overpursuing last season on most of his big runs. RB's are a dime a dozen, in most cases, and video evidence is the only way to sort the average from the great. On the flip-side, Ronnie Brown was really impressive last season, and I do believe he will be a force for the forseable future.lod2005 said:That's always a classic line that makes me laugh. Like it doesn't count.
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RoosterScott
Footballguy
Clipped from DenverBroncos.com
AND NOW, THE WAITING
Want to know who will start at St. Louis on Sept. 10? You'll have to be patient. There's plenty for the Broncos to do -- roster cutdown to 53 players, establishment of a practice squad, a week's worth of practices -- before Shanahan intends to reveal the opening-day starter.
"That's going to be a tough decision on the coaches," Cobbs said.
But there could well be roles for all.
"Hopefully we can stay healthy, and if we stay healthy, all three guys can play," Shanahan said.
Mike Bell has enjoyed game-opening honors throughout the preseason. Even if the regular season brings a rotation, he wants to keep that starting nod, although simply having it for the preseason is an apt measurement of the rapid progress the undrafted rookie has made.
"It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for myself," Mike Bell said. "Nobody expected it to happen -- I didn't even expect it to happen, so for me to go out there and actually earn a starting spot, just shows a lot."
But he'll be happy with whatever carries he receives.
"For me to be involved in a great team -- coming from Arizona, straight out of college and starting -- is just big-time," he said.
But that "big-time" responsibility could belong to any -- or all -- of the backs who ran Thursday night.
"Everyone has to be prepared," Cobbs said.
AND NOW, THE WAITING
Want to know who will start at St. Louis on Sept. 10? You'll have to be patient. There's plenty for the Broncos to do -- roster cutdown to 53 players, establishment of a practice squad, a week's worth of practices -- before Shanahan intends to reveal the opening-day starter.
"That's going to be a tough decision on the coaches," Cobbs said.
But there could well be roles for all.
"Hopefully we can stay healthy, and if we stay healthy, all three guys can play," Shanahan said.
Mike Bell has enjoyed game-opening honors throughout the preseason. Even if the regular season brings a rotation, he wants to keep that starting nod, although simply having it for the preseason is an apt measurement of the rapid progress the undrafted rookie has made.
"It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for myself," Mike Bell said. "Nobody expected it to happen -- I didn't even expect it to happen, so for me to go out there and actually earn a starting spot, just shows a lot."
But he'll be happy with whatever carries he receives.
"For me to be involved in a great team -- coming from Arizona, straight out of college and starting -- is just big-time," he said.
But that "big-time" responsibility could belong to any -- or all -- of the backs who ran Thursday night.
"Everyone has to be prepared," Cobbs said.
DoubleG
Footballguy
This just in: English a 2nd language for Denver RBs.
Umm, Cedric, that would either be "That's going to be a tough decision for the coaches" or "That decision will be tough on the coaches."And Mr. Bell, should have said "It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for me ." But I guess it's at least good he didn't say "It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for Mike Bell."
Either way, it is possible that both malaprops are simply attempts to motivate Tatum Bell to speak better Enlish.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Bristol is one of the more informed posters on this board. You might not like the he delivers the message but if you pay attention and don't get offended...you might learn something.
T Bell
Footballguy
This is why they don't got no chance up against a intellectual genius like myself.This just in: English a 2nd language for Denver RBs.
And Mr. Bell, should have said "It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for me ." But I guess it's at least good he didn't say "It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for Mike Bell."
Either way, it is possible that both malaprops are simply attempts to motivate Tatum Bell to speak better Enlish.
jonessed
Footballguy
Learn that removing observations from a sample size of five is a good way to evaluate a trend? Thanks, but no thanks.
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Foosball God
Foos
I'm assuming you meant ENGLISHThis just in: English a 2nd language for Denver RBs.
And Mr. Bell, should have said "It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for me ." But I guess it's at least good he didn't say "It would feel good, and it would be a big-time accomplishment for Mike Bell."
Either way, it is possible that both malaprops are simply attempts to motivate Tatum Bell to speak better Enlish.
H.K.
Footballguy
Good call by Bristol (as usual). The big gain happened late in the game against the scrubs. When it occured is the thing that matters most. That justifies removing it from his body of work on the evening.
phrozen
Footballguy
Typical Sooner fan. You call it a covered wagon, but we all know it's just the 1800's version of your double-wide.If I created the username "Richard Nixon" and started a thread titled "I am not a crook." would it be as funny as your shtick?If you add that run to my totals then I should be the starter.
