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Andre Johnson ejected from Hou-Ten game (1 Viewer)
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Carolina Hustler
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AJ committed the first helmet pull, the only punches to an un-helmeted head, and the only punches to a down/defenseless player. Without the AJ to CF helmet pull, I don't think things would have escalated to where there went and likely they would have gotten out of this with no more than an in game penalty, if that...Without the priors, I think AJ would be punished more severely then CF..
I thought Finnegan was clapping after because he thought he had drawn a flag that was going to go exclusively against Johnson.
Finnegans initial jam to the facemask was penalty worthy, IMO, and perhaps fine worthy. Not suspension worthy in my mind.
Johnson's retaliation was stupid. Just say scoreboard and let the refs handle it. Pulling Finnegans helmet off, by the facemask, now after the play was dead is fine worthy, close to suspension worthy.
Finnegan's response of going for Johnson's helmut and what, sort of a throat punch, was suspension worthy.
Johnson's haymakers at that point were suspension worthy.
Johnson struggling not to be pulled off Finnegan was again suspension worthy. You can't resist the refs.
Finnegan not immediately leaving the filed was suspension worthy.
Finnegan is an instigator. he has been for some time. The league has to address it.
Johnson, completely losing his #### on national T.V. is not something the league can tolerate. It is unfortunate that he was baited, but his behavior cannot seem to be tolerated.
Ejections in game are not sufficient to address this matter, nor are fines IMO. Suspensions have to be forthcoming immediately or all of Goodell's efforts and posturing over the past several years are meaningless. the fact that this is being dissected on this board, on other boards, on talking head shows on the important networks, and on sports talk radio around the country demand decisive action.
I root for neither team, nor do i own either player. I feel bad for johnson but he has to keep his cool. When you are a star and such an incredible weapon you can't let other teams know they can badger you and take you out of your game. If you do you may make yourself a target for physical play. (not saying this play should only be termed physical, just suggesting that others might go towards the line more frequently now without blantly stomping over the line as did Finnegan.
An ugly incident. I was captivated.
Finnegans initial jam to the facemask was penalty worthy, IMO, and perhaps fine worthy. Not suspension worthy in my mind.
Johnson's retaliation was stupid. Just say scoreboard and let the refs handle it. Pulling Finnegans helmet off, by the facemask, now after the play was dead is fine worthy, close to suspension worthy.
Finnegan's response of going for Johnson's helmut and what, sort of a throat punch, was suspension worthy.
Johnson's haymakers at that point were suspension worthy.
Johnson struggling not to be pulled off Finnegan was again suspension worthy. You can't resist the refs.
Finnegan not immediately leaving the filed was suspension worthy.
Finnegan is an instigator. he has been for some time. The league has to address it.
Johnson, completely losing his #### on national T.V. is not something the league can tolerate. It is unfortunate that he was baited, but his behavior cannot seem to be tolerated.
Ejections in game are not sufficient to address this matter, nor are fines IMO. Suspensions have to be forthcoming immediately or all of Goodell's efforts and posturing over the past several years are meaningless. the fact that this is being dissected on this board, on other boards, on talking head shows on the important networks, and on sports talk radio around the country demand decisive action.
I root for neither team, nor do i own either player. I feel bad for johnson but he has to keep his cool. When you are a star and such an incredible weapon you can't let other teams know they can badger you and take you out of your game. If you do you may make yourself a target for physical play. (not saying this play should only be termed physical, just suggesting that others might go towards the line more frequently now without blantly stomping over the line as did Finnegan.
An ugly incident. I was captivated.
Johnny Ice
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Oh whatever. Every analyst and past or present players are coming to AJs defense. That's what happens when you are a good guy. The bottom line is don't #### with the quiet types.
rizzler
Footballguy
It went up to some because the it was Finnegan... only reason. Believe me, his reputation is more tarnished then shining from this incident.The NFL won't stand for it. Andre should man up and take his licking. bottom line.AJ's reputation needs no salvaging and actually went up in many peoples' minds.
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rizzler
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every analyst, eh? I'm sure the cokeheaded, drama inducing types will for sure.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
How would that be a fair fight? AJ is nearly twice his size....
Considering that Andre has 30 lbs, 3 inches of height and whatever reach advantage that comes with it, I don't think it would be a fair fight mano a mano. They'd have to do an old school WWF 2 vs 1, tagteam vs Andre the Giant style event to make it a fair fight.
It would be fair because Finnegan is the one who picked his opponent.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
To be fair, Ward has repeatedly been voted, by his fellow players, as the dirtiest player in the league.
I don't believe you. Maybe different parts of the country or different upbringings are the reason here. I know I was always taught to stand up to bullies regardless of the punishment. That's all AJ did yesterday. Stand up and give a butt whooping to a bully that was asking for it.It went up to some because the it was Finnegan... only reason. Believe me, his reputation is more tarnished then shining from this incident.The NFL won't stand for it. Andre should man up and take his licking. bottom line.AJ's reputation needs no salvaging and actually went up in many peoples' minds.
Apparently he wanted his team mates to see his dirty play followed up by a butt whopping.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
But I cannot ever remember seeing Ward throw a punch.
rizzler
Footballguy
In a league in which fighting is strictly prohibited.... which denounces violence such as this.... Listen, this event doesn't bother me one bit, I'm from the country of hockey... Fights to me can fulfill a vital part in a game. But this isn't the NHL, nor is it part of the game.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Fine them both, warn them if anything like this occurs again it is suspension worthy. They were both properly ejected and will be fined heavily. My vote is let them play.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The fact you're an owner of both players probably has nothing to do with that opinion.
BlueDredSo
Footballguy
I liked ESPN's jab at the NFL yesterday. "Houston does play this coming Thursday on the NFL Network. Johnson is their most marketable player, so it should be interesting to see how it is handled." Not an exact quote, but how I remember it.
If either of them gets suspended there's no way it will be more than 1 game. I honestly don't think either will be suspended. Probably just a couple of large fines, with AJ's being slightly more.
If either of them gets suspended there's no way it will be more than 1 game. I honestly don't think either will be suspended. Probably just a couple of large fines, with AJ's being slightly more.
Nice Zaprudering of the film. I do stand corrected in that Johnson did allow the ref to remove him without resistance.
Number 55 of the Texans could find himself facing some discipline for sticking his nose in after the fact.
Johnson showed good technique, he controled Finnegan's head, gave him some facewash on the turf, kept Finnegan's head and neck down so that he could not throw any of his own. total control once things got going.
Finnegan looks like he can take a punch. Makes sense given his last name. The Irish, of which I am one, can take a tremendous beating.
Carolina Hustler
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Seems to me that CF was match against AJ by his coaching staff. And he certainly didn't choose to fight, he was doing what he thought he could get away with on the field in order to do the job assigned to him.Being smaller has it's disadvantages, he certainly has to make up for that in some way... Being a handful for opposing WR's is how he does so. That's how he makes his money.. Sure it makes him a villain, but in no way does that give AJ a free pass to loose control..AJ is just a human like the rest of us, this doesn't mean he's a bad man.. There are chinks in every suit of armor, no matter how bright and shiny it may have previously seemed or been portrayed.. He's not perfect.. His size and physical gifts afford him to be a classier player then CF..You must be an AJ fan, maybe a Titans fan? AJ fantasy owner?
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Or just dont #### with the 6'3" 225lb rocked up dudes
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
An owner yes, but a fan of football and don't think this is really that big of a deal... Malicious hits and head shots are illegal and first time offenders so far have been fined (some more than others). Those hits to the head are also a lot more dangerous and cause a lot more damge than that brief altercation did yesterday. A large fine and warning if this happens again it will be worth a suspension is enough of a punishment in my eyes.The fact you're an owner of both players probably has nothing to do with that opinion.
Uruk-Hai
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My point was that Piit fans are more likely to forgive/overlook because Ward plays for the Steelers. If he played for the Ravens, Browns, or whoever those fans would be just as likely to forgive/overlook and Steeler fans would call him dirty. I'm not singling Pittsburgh fans out here - Ravens, Cowboys, and Dolphin fans would be the same way.
Carter_Can_Fly
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Finnegan is one heck of a football player, and does not have to be dirty to be good. He has excellent technique and great speed (was a very good sprinter in track). He also is a solid tackler and good/great cover corner. He pushes the limits and plays on edge, and sometimes crosses that line and goes over that edge which he does not have to do.Carolina Hustler said:
You may want to reread my preceding post, or not. I never suggested Johnson get a free pass. I actually stated I thought his actions were both fine, ejection, and future suspension worthy.I am not a fan of either team or eithr player, nor am I a fantasy owner of either, more the pity in Johnson's case.As for characterizing Finnegan's actions as being a handful for opposing W.R. I would have to say that is an inaccurate description of events. jamming a player to the facemask is illegal by the rules of the game and shows a reckless disregard for the safety of the one jammed.Carolina Hustler said:
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Carolina Hustler
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AJ took a couple shots to the face mask.. No more than we've seen many times before.. That's not bullying.. Now CF's attitude and mouth might have been the aggravating factor, but certainly if AJ was the unfowlable character some here are trying to say, he would have kept his cool...CF wasn't a bully, he was doing his job.. His methods may be questionable, and certainly won't make him anyone's favorite, but it's not like he was cheap shoting anyone, he was trying to get under the big mans skin, and it worked... Head games are a part of football..Mello said:I don't believe you. Maybe different parts of the country or different upbringings are the reason here. I know I was always taught to stand up to bullies regardless of the punishment. That's all AJ did yesterday. Stand up and give a butt whooping to a bully that was asking for it.rizzler said:It went up to some because the it was Finnegan... only reason. Believe me, his reputation is more tarnished then shining from this incident.The NFL won't stand for it. Andre should man up and take his licking. bottom line.Mello said:
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
And in today's world, they guy who gives the beating goes to jail.. There are punishments for improper actions.. These are all adults, this isn't playground or backyard football games..
towney
Footballguy
Here's some new info on this from Roto.
Just before the fight with Andre Johnson Sunday, Cortland Finnegan looked toward the Texans' sideline and yelled, "Watch this," according to the Houston Chronicle.
When the ball was snapped, Finnegan jumped across the line and went after Johnson high. It's a dirty play, the kind of the thing that Finnegan has garnered a reputation for. It could also come into play when the NFL decides if Johnson should be suspended or merely fined for going Manny Pacquiao on Finnegan.
Source: Nashville Tennessean
Just before the fight with Andre Johnson Sunday, Cortland Finnegan looked toward the Texans' sideline and yelled, "Watch this," according to the Houston Chronicle.
When the ball was snapped, Finnegan jumped across the line and went after Johnson high. It's a dirty play, the kind of the thing that Finnegan has garnered a reputation for. It could also come into play when the NFL decides if Johnson should be suspended or merely fined for going Manny Pacquiao on Finnegan.
Source: Nashville Tennessean
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Yet there is a specific rule that would handle it and a penalty for breaking the rule.. Why? Because it happens... often... How often do you see guys yanking each others helmets off and punch guys who are face down on the ground? Certainly going to be a bigger PR impact isn't it? "Jamming" someone in the facemask doesn't warrant or equal that reaction. And if you watch the previous play, Andre was doing it too? and even pushed CF from behind as he was walking away...
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
you bolded the wrong wording...
Shutout
Footballguy
That's probably the most importnat thing we need to remember. One of the biggest stars in the league in a game that could be a shootout.I think at the end of the day the Shield will justify a suspension of Finnegan, citing the previous warnings. Any time the league sends you a letter and says "don't let it happen again", you really don't want to let it happen again. Also, you can't ignore that EVERYONE in the media that is former players made a remark that guys loved this around the league because "everyone knows how Finnegan is and were happy to see him finally get his". That carries some weight I think.AJ will not be suspended but he will get hit with a substantial fine. I'm thinking about $25K per swing...really). It will be a huge chunk from his pocket but I expect him to play this week. I would think the league will say something along the lines of "no priors" and after looking at the events leading up to it, there will be something about how he was reacting to previous plays. All in all, the Shield will present it as a punsihment that fits both players for a long body of work on Finnegan and a one time instance with AJ.Side note: If AJ plays, I expect multiple TDs.Frills said:
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Because he successfully provoked the other team's star player into a confrontation that got him penalized/ejected. The clapping, however, hurts Finnegan for that very reason as it reveals his intentions.Billy Costigan Jr said:
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Sudsy said:
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Which also happens to be the #1 most-uttered phrase immediately before an idiot seriously injures or kills himself.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I would be shocked if they don't both miss at least a game.
Finnegan's history, plus his two hands to the facemask and subsequent pulling off of AJ's helmet warrants at least a game.
I don't see how they can justify not giving AJ at least a game. He went ballistic on the guy. I don't care what he did before hand, you just can't act like that on a football field.
AJ's fine will likely be bigger, but I don't think either of them miss more or less than one game.
Finnegan's history, plus his two hands to the facemask and subsequent pulling off of AJ's helmet warrants at least a game.
I don't see how they can justify not giving AJ at least a game. He went ballistic on the guy. I don't care what he did before hand, you just can't act like that on a football field.
AJ's fine will likely be bigger, but I don't think either of them miss more or less than one game.
Yet there is a specific rule that would handle it and a penalty for breaking the rule.. Why? Because it happens... often...
How often do you see guys yanking each others helmets off and punch guys who are face down on the ground? Certainly going to be a bigger PR impact isn't it? "Jamming" someone in the facemask doesn't warrant or equal that reaction. And if you watch the previous play, Andre was doing it too? and even pushed CF from behind as he was walking away...
I feel like you are trying to have a disagreement with me over a throw off humor line and completely ignoring my actual post on the matter. Why is beyond me.
The last word is yours.
How often do you see guys yanking each others helmets off and punch guys who are face down on the ground? Certainly going to be a bigger PR impact isn't it? "Jamming" someone in the facemask doesn't warrant or equal that reaction. And if you watch the previous play, Andre was doing it too? and even pushed CF from behind as he was walking away...
I feel like you are trying to have a disagreement with me over a throw off humor line and completely ignoring my actual post on the matter. Why is beyond me.
The last word is yours.
I didn't see most of the game, but from what I've read Finnegan was hitting AJ in the head/neck area multiple times without getting flagged. Those are cheap shots IMO.AJ took a couple shots to the face mask.. No more than we've seen many times before.. That's not bullying.. Now CF's attitude and mouth might have been the aggravating factor, but certainly if AJ was the unfowlable character some here are trying to say, he would have kept his cool...CF wasn't a bully, he was doing his job.. His methods may be questionable, and certainly won't make him anyone's favorite, but it's not like he was cheap shoting anyone, he was trying to get under the big mans skin, and it worked... Head games are a part of football..Mello said:I don't believe you. Maybe different parts of the country or different upbringings are the reason here. I know I was always taught to stand up to bullies regardless of the punishment. That's all AJ did yesterday. Stand up and give a butt whooping to a bully that was asking for it.rizzler said:It went up to some because the it was Finnegan... only reason. Believe me, his reputation is more tarnished then shining from this incident.The NFL won't stand for it. Andre should man up and take his licking. bottom line.Mello said:AJ's reputation needs no salvaging and actually went up in many peoples' minds.
theplayer11
Footballguy
NFL Network's Steve Wyche predicts that Andre Johnson will not be suspended for fighting Cortland Finnegan late in Sunday's win over the Titans.
Wyche is speculating, but works for the league and should have a good feel for the way the NFL is thinking. Appearing on ESPN 101 St. Louis Monday morning, Wyche said he believes Finnegan has been "labeled" and "got some street justice" from Johnson. Finnegan is often among the players fined by the NFL on a weekly basis. Wyche predicts that Johnson will only be fined.
Wyche is speculating, but works for the league and should have a good feel for the way the NFL is thinking. Appearing on ESPN 101 St. Louis Monday morning, Wyche said he believes Finnegan has been "labeled" and "got some street justice" from Johnson. Finnegan is often among the players fined by the NFL on a weekly basis. Wyche predicts that Johnson will only be fined.
footballnerd
Footballguy
:( can't wait for next weeks Sound FXFrills said:
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
LOL, I thought I knew your opinion, maybe I don't.. I'll have to re-read..Sorry if I took you wrong..
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I thought the shots to the facemask were in retaliation to AJ knocking CF's helmet loose on the previous play and then pushing him from behind after he was walking away...
