Andre Johnson ejected from Hou-Ten game (1 Viewer)

[jsharlan]

I thought Finnegan was clapping after because he thought he had drawn a flag that was going to go exclusively against Johnson.Finnegans initial jam to the facemask was penalty worthy, IMO, and perhaps fine worthy. Not suspension worthy in my mind.Johnson's retaliation was stupid. Just say scoreboard and let the refs handle it. Pulling Finnegans helmet off, by the facemask, now after the play was dead is fine worthy, close to suspension worthy.Finnegan's response of going for Johnson's helmut and what, sort of a throat punch, was suspension worthy.Johnson's haymakers at that point were suspension worthy.Johnson struggling not to be pulled off Finnegan was again suspension worthy. You can't resist the refs.Finnegan not immediately leaving the filed was suspension worthy.Finnegan is an instigator. he has been for some time. The league has to address it.Johnson, completely losing his #### on national T.V. is not something the league can tolerate. It is unfortunate that he was baited, but his behavior cannot seem to be tolerated.Ejections in game are not sufficient to address this matter, nor are fines IMO. Suspensions have to be forthcoming immediately or all of Goodell's efforts and posturing over the past several years are meaningless. the fact that this is being dissected on this board, on other boards, on talking head shows on the important networks, and on sports talk radio around the country demand decisive action.I root for neither team, nor do i own either player. I feel bad for johnson but he has to keep his cool. When you are a star and such an incredible weapon you can't let other teams know they can badger you and take you out of your game. If you do you may make yourself a target for physical play. (not saying this play should only be termed physical, just suggesting that others might go towards the line more frequently now without blantly stomping over the line as did Finnegan.An ugly incident. I was captivated.

I can agree with most of what you say, but its easy for us to say he should just keep his cool and point at the scoreboard. He has kept his cool twice a year for multiple years with this ########. Could any of us have done the same? I think myself personally, I would have lose my cool much sooner. What AJ did was wrong, but he has no history compared to Finnegan who has been fined repeatedly this year. I think that has to count for something. AJ just showed that he was human. The real blame goes on the officiating staff who have done nothing over the years to punish dirty players such as Finnegan. If they want to prevent fights such as this one, they should be focusing on educating the refs to hand out game punishment quicker so it doesnt get to this.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I thought Finnegan was clapping after because he thought he had drawn a flag that was going to go exclusively against Johnson.Finnegans initial jam to the facemask was penalty worthy, IMO, and perhaps fine worthy. Not suspension worthy in my mind.Johnson's retaliation was stupid. Just say scoreboard and let the refs handle it. Pulling Finnegans helmet off, by the facemask, now after the play was dead is fine worthy, close to suspension worthy.Finnegan's response of going for Johnson's helmut and what, sort of a throat punch, was suspension worthy.Johnson's haymakers at that point were suspension worthy.Johnson struggling not to be pulled off Finnegan was again suspension worthy. You can't resist the refs.Finnegan not immediately leaving the filed was suspension worthy.Finnegan is an instigator. he has been for some time. The league has to address it.Johnson, completely losing his #### on national T.V. is not something the league can tolerate. It is unfortunate that he was baited, but his behavior cannot seem to be tolerated.Ejections in game are not sufficient to address this matter, nor are fines IMO. Suspensions have to be forthcoming immediately or all of Goodell's efforts and posturing over the past several years are meaningless. the fact that this is being dissected on this board, on other boards, on talking head shows on the important networks, and on sports talk radio around the country demand decisive action.I root for neither team, nor do i own either player. I feel bad for johnson but he has to keep his cool. When you are a star and such an incredible weapon you can't let other teams know they can badger you and take you out of your game. If you do you may make yourself a target for physical play. (not saying this play should only be termed physical, just suggesting that others might go towards the line more frequently now without blantly stomping over the line as did Finnegan.An ugly incident. I was captivated.

I can agree with most of what you say, but its easy for us to say he should just keep his cool and point at the scoreboard. He has kept his cool twice a year for multiple years with this ########. Could any of us have done the same? I think myself personally, I would have lose my cool much sooner. What AJ did was wrong, but he has no history compared to Finnegan who has been fined repeatedly this year. I think that has to count for something. AJ just showed that he was human. The real blame goes on the officiating staff who have done nothing over the years to punish dirty players such as Finnegan. If they want to prevent fights such as this one, they should be focusing on educating the refs to hand out game punishment quicker so it doesnt get to this.

It only takes 1 time breaking a law to be punished, no matter what the other person does...

 

[jsharlan]

AJ's reputation needs no salvaging and actually went up in many peoples' minds.

It went up to some because the it was Finnegan... only reason. Believe me, his reputation is more tarnished then shining from this incident.The NFL won't stand for it. Andre should man up and take his licking. bottom line.

I don't believe you. Maybe different parts of the country or different upbringings are the reason here. I know I was always taught to stand up to bullies regardless of the punishment. That's all AJ did yesterday. Stand up and give a butt whooping to a bully that was asking for it.

AJ took a couple shots to the face mask.. No more than we've seen many times before.. That's not bullying.. Now CF's attitude and mouth might have been the aggravating factor, but certainly if AJ was the unfowlable character some here are trying to say, he would have kept his cool...CF wasn't a bully, he was doing his job.. His methods may be questionable, and certainly won't make him anyone's favorite, but it's not like he was cheap shoting anyone, he was trying to get under the big mans skin, and it worked... Head games are a part of football..

So running up to the line of scrimmage and shoving both your hands into a guy's face is doing his job? I wonder what coordinators other than Chuck Cecil teach that technique in camp.

 

[jsharlan]

I thought Finnegan was clapping after because he thought he had drawn a flag that was going to go exclusively against Johnson.Finnegans initial jam to the facemask was penalty worthy, IMO, and perhaps fine worthy. Not suspension worthy in my mind.Johnson's retaliation was stupid. Just say scoreboard and let the refs handle it. Pulling Finnegans helmet off, by the facemask, now after the play was dead is fine worthy, close to suspension worthy.Finnegan's response of going for Johnson's helmut and what, sort of a throat punch, was suspension worthy.Johnson's haymakers at that point were suspension worthy.Johnson struggling not to be pulled off Finnegan was again suspension worthy. You can't resist the refs.Finnegan not immediately leaving the filed was suspension worthy.Finnegan is an instigator. he has been for some time. The league has to address it.Johnson, completely losing his #### on national T.V. is not something the league can tolerate. It is unfortunate that he was baited, but his behavior cannot seem to be tolerated.Ejections in game are not sufficient to address this matter, nor are fines IMO. Suspensions have to be forthcoming immediately or all of Goodell's efforts and posturing over the past several years are meaningless. the fact that this is being dissected on this board, on other boards, on talking head shows on the important networks, and on sports talk radio around the country demand decisive action.I root for neither team, nor do i own either player. I feel bad for johnson but he has to keep his cool. When you are a star and such an incredible weapon you can't let other teams know they can badger you and take you out of your game. If you do you may make yourself a target for physical play. (not saying this play should only be termed physical, just suggesting that others might go towards the line more frequently now without blantly stomping over the line as did Finnegan.An ugly incident. I was captivated.

I can agree with most of what you say, but its easy for us to say he should just keep his cool and point at the scoreboard. He has kept his cool twice a year for multiple years with this ########. Could any of us have done the same? I think myself personally, I would have lose my cool much sooner. What AJ did was wrong, but he has no history compared to Finnegan who has been fined repeatedly this year. I think that has to count for something. AJ just showed that he was human. The real blame goes on the officiating staff who have done nothing over the years to punish dirty players such as Finnegan. If they want to prevent fights such as this one, they should be focusing on educating the refs to hand out game punishment quicker so it doesnt get to this.

It only takes 1 time breaking a law to be punished, no matter what the other person does...

He will be punished no doubt. I just think Finnegan should be punished further.

 

[JD8p]

Sam Wyche seems to think he will not be suspended.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

AJ's reputation needs no salvaging and actually went up in many peoples' minds.

It went up to some because the it was Finnegan... only reason. Believe me, his reputation is more tarnished then shining from this incident.The NFL won't stand for it. Andre should man up and take his licking. bottom line.

I don't believe you. Maybe different parts of the country or different upbringings are the reason here. I know I was always taught to stand up to bullies regardless of the punishment. That's all AJ did yesterday. Stand up and give a butt whooping to a bully that was asking for it.

AJ took a couple shots to the face mask.. No more than we've seen many times before.. That's not bullying.. Now CF's attitude and mouth might have been the aggravating factor, but certainly if AJ was the unfowlable character some here are trying to say, he would have kept his cool...CF wasn't a bully, he was doing his job.. His methods may be questionable, and certainly won't make him anyone's favorite, but it's not like he was cheap shoting anyone, he was trying to get under the big mans skin, and it worked... Head games are a part of football..

So running up to the line of scrimmage and shoving both your hands into a guy's face is doing his job? I wonder what coordinators other than Chuck Cecil teach that technique in camp.

Pushing CF from behind wasn't necessary either, on the previous play... But AJ did that.. If you knock someones helmet sideways by "shoving hands into a guys facemask" and then when he takes off his helmet, turns and walks away and you push him from behind... Is that being less of a bully? That must be ok?

 

[Sudsy]

I thought Finnegan was clapping after because he thought he had drawn a flag that was going to go exclusively against Johnson.

Finnegans initial jam to the facemask was penalty worthy, IMO, and perhaps fine worthy. Not suspension worthy in my mind.

Johnson's retaliation was stupid. Just say scoreboard and let the refs handle it. Pulling Finnegans helmet off, by the facemask, now after the play was dead is fine worthy, close to suspension worthy.

Finnegan's response of going for Johnson's helmut and what, sort of a throat punch, was suspension worthy.

Johnson's haymakers at that point were suspension worthy.

Johnson struggling not to be pulled off Finnegan was again suspension worthy. You can't resist the refs.

Finnegan not immediately leaving the filed was suspension worthy.

Finnegan is an instigator. he has been for some time. The league has to address it.

Johnson, completely losing his #### on national T.V. is not something the league can tolerate. It is unfortunate that he was baited, but his behavior cannot seem to be tolerated.

Ejections in game are not sufficient to address this matter, nor are fines IMO. Suspensions have to be forthcoming immediately or all of Goodell's efforts and posturing over the past several years are meaningless. the fact that this is being dissected on this board, on other boards, on talking head shows on the important networks, and on sports talk radio around the country demand decisive action.

I root for neither team, nor do i own either player. I feel bad for johnson but he has to keep his cool. When you are a star and such an incredible weapon you can't let other teams know they can badger you and take you out of your game. If you do you may make yourself a target for physical play. (not saying this play should only be termed physical, just suggesting that others might go towards the line more frequently now without blantly stomping over the line as did Finnegan.

An ugly incident. I was captivated.

I can agree with most of what you say, but its easy for us to say he should just keep his cool and point at the scoreboard. He has kept his cool twice a year for multiple years with this ########. Could any of us have done the same? I think myself personally, I would have lose my cool much sooner. What AJ did was wrong, but he has no history compared to Finnegan who has been fined repeatedly this year. I think that has to count for something. AJ just showed that he was human. The real blame goes on the officiating staff who have done nothing over the years to punish dirty players such as Finnegan. If they want to prevent fights such as this one, they should be focusing on educating the refs to hand out game punishment quicker so it doesnt get to this.

If you were asking me I'd have to admit that I am a hothead and would likely have lost my ####.

I agree that Finnegan is a problem child. Past actions by the NFL have had no impact on him. I believe at this point the NFL needs to consider also fining his coaches or punishing his team for his actions if the NFL is serious about keeping the game clean.

For my part, while I may judge their actions I have to admit that I enjoyed the action. I will watch the film again and again before being done with the matter, and I will tune into the essentially meaningless game when they have their rematch in a few weeks hoping for some more childish behavior and controversy.

 

[Bri]

I like the suggestion that they are both suspended for the Titans-Texans rematch

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I like the suggestion that they are both suspended for the Titans-Texans rematch

 

[Sudsy]

I like the suggestion that they are both suspended for the Titans-Texans rematch

That would take away much of the motivation to watch that game.It would encourage division foes to have lesser players go after the other team's stars in an effort to have them gone for the rematch. Bad precedence in my mind.

 

[jsharlan]

Pushing CF from behind wasn't necessary either, on the previous play... But AJ did that.. If you knock someones helmet sideways by "shoving hands into a guys facemask" and then when he takes off his helmet, turns and walks away and you push him from behind... Is that being less of a bully? That must be ok?

How any in way does that have anything to do with the technique of cornerback play? It doesn't make my statement any less true.

 

[RUSF18]

NFL Network's Steve Wyche predicts that Andre Johnson will not be suspended for fighting Cortland Finnegan late in Sunday's win over the Titans.

Wyche is speculating, but works for the league and should have a good feel for the way the NFL is thinking. Appearing on ESPN 101 St. Louis Monday morning, Wyche said he believes Finnegan has been "labeled" and "got some street justice" from Johnson. Finnegan is often among the players fined by the NFL on a weekly basis. Wyche predicts that Johnson will only be fined.

Yes, because the NFL would love for "street justice" to come to the field.

 

[Black]

Another quick photo of kid Finnegan before the play:

Finnegan Mug Shot

 

[3nOut]

Andre did the right thing. He got ejected and possibly suspended, but this incident will open the eyes of the league and referees. If anything, it will keep DBs off of him and give him more room to run his routes.

And just to set an example:

AJ = 1 game suspension (because he continued after Finngean was on the ground)

Finnegan = 2 games because of his history and instigation

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Pushing CF from behind wasn't necessary either, on the previous play... But AJ did that.. If you knock someones helmet sideways by "shoving hands into a guys facemask" and then when he takes off his helmet, turns and walks away and you push him from behind... Is that being less of a bully? That must be ok?

How any in way does that have anything to do with the technique of cornerback play? It doesn't make my statement any less true.

Seems we're talking about the indecent between CF and AJ.. Isn't that the discussion? Not proper CB technique, which in my opinion had nothing to do with the entire incident... CF gain advantage by getting under a players skin, where another player may gain advantage by being bigger and more physically gifted...Bottom line is, AJ was out of line, and so was CF.... They should both be punished...

 

[Bad_Mo]

Johnson should have taken his back and dropped elbows when girly girl turtled. That would have been impressive.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Johnson should have taken his back and dropped elbows when girly girl turtled. That would have been impressive.

Maybe he should have cinched in a body triangle and the rear choke.... And waited for him to tap..

 

[jsharlan]

Pushing CF from behind wasn't necessary either, on the previous play... But AJ did that.. If you knock someones helmet sideways by "shoving hands into a guys facemask" and then when he takes off his helmet, turns and walks away and you push him from behind... Is that being less of a bully? That must be ok?

How any in way does that have anything to do with the technique of cornerback play? It doesn't make my statement any less true.

Seems we're talking about the indecent between CF and AJ.. Isn't that the discussion? Not proper CB technique, which in my opinion had nothing to do with the entire incident... CF gain advantage by getting under a players skin, where another player may gain advantage by being bigger and more physically gifted...Bottom line is, AJ was out of line, and so was CF.... They should both be punished...

Lets try this again. You said CF didn't do anything you would classify as a cheap job and that he was "just doing his job". To which I made a sarcastic response questioning how slamming your hands into someones face is a cornerback technique that would be somehow classified as 'his job'. No where in that line of conversation is there anything about anyone being blameless or right or wrong.

 

[footballnerd]

I thought the shots to the facemask were in retaliation to AJ knocking CF's helmet loose on the previous play and then pushing him from behind after he was walking away...

0:00 - 0:05 is AJ shoving him in the back in previous playthey both evenly had a hand in altercation

 

[JD8p]

No suspension for Andre

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Pushing CF from behind wasn't necessary either, on the previous play... But AJ did that.. If you knock someones helmet sideways by "shoving hands into a guys facemask" and then when he takes off his helmet, turns and walks away and you push him from behind... Is that being less of a bully? That must be ok?

How any in way does that have anything to do with the technique of cornerback play? It doesn't make my statement any less true.

Seems we're talking about the indecent between CF and AJ.. Isn't that the discussion? Not proper CB technique, which in my opinion had nothing to do with the entire incident... CF gain advantage by getting under a players skin, where another player may gain advantage by being bigger and more physically gifted...Bottom line is, AJ was out of line, and so was CF.... They should both be punished...

Lets try this again. You said CF didn't do anything you would classify as a cheap job and that he was "just doing his job". To which I made a sarcastic response questioning how slamming your hands into someones face is a cornerback technique that would be somehow classified as 'his job'. No where in that line of conversation is there anything about anyone being blameless or right or wrong.

Never said it was his job, I said it wasn't bullying, and that things like that happen in the process of doing his job..... You seem hell bent on twisting my words and starting a tangent argument.... The topic.... Do you think Andre should be punished? Do you think he did anything wrong? I already know the answer to that because I've read your other posts, explain your answers.... CF was being a jerk but so was AJ, and AJ took it to another level... he didn't need to go there... They should both be punished.. I'm guessing 1 game suspension/fines...

 

[swampdog]

The real reason behind AJ's anger. It's here in the Play by Play

3-10-HOU5

(9:58) A.Foster left tackle pushed ob at HST 42 for 37 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on TEN-C.Finnegan, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at HST 42. 1-10-TEN43 (9:29) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch, J.Haye).

2-8-TEN41 (8:46) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for no gain (M.Griffin, M.Douglas).

3-8-TEN41 (8:01) D.Ward right end to TEN 34 for 7 yards (J.McCourty). Penalty on HST-A.Johnson, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on TEN-C.Finnegan, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. (Both 80 Johnson and 31 Finnigan were ejected from the game)

AJ probably said to himself, that if this jerk (and yes, "Brillo Pad" is known as a jerk around the leauge) can horse collar and potentially hurt the stud RB for Houston then it's time to step up, and whatever happens, happens. Houston might win without Johnson, but they will not win with out Foster. Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB.

Swamp

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The real reason behind AJ's anger. It's here in the Play by Play

3-10-HOU5

(9:58) A.Foster left tackle pushed ob at HST 42 for 37 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on TEN-C.Finnegan, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at HST 42. 1-10-TEN43 (9:29) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch, J.Haye).

2-8-TEN41 (8:46) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for no gain (M.Griffin, M.Douglas).

3-8-TEN41 (8:01) D.Ward right end to TEN 34 for 7 yards (J.McCourty). Penalty on HST-A.Johnson, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on TEN-C.Finnegan, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. (Both 80 Johnson and 31 Finnigan were ejected from the game)

AJ probably said to himself, that if this jerk (and yes, "Brillo Pad" is known as a jerk around the leauge) can horse collar and potentially hurt the stud RB for Houston then it's time to step up, and whatever happens, happens. Houston might win without Johnson, but they will not win with out Foster. Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB.

Swamp

This is shtick right?

 

[bmetz]

The real reason behind AJ's anger. It's here in the Play by Play

3-10-HOU5

(9:58) A.Foster left tackle pushed ob at HST 42 for 37 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on TEN-C.Finnegan, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at HST 42. 1-10-TEN43 (9:29) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch, J.Haye).

2-8-TEN41 (8:46) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for no gain (M.Griffin, M.Douglas).

3-8-TEN41 (8:01) D.Ward right end to TEN 34 for 7 yards (J.McCourty). Penalty on HST-A.Johnson, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on TEN-C.Finnegan, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. (Both 80 Johnson and 31 Finnigan were ejected from the game)

AJ probably said to himself, that if this jerk (and yes, "Brillo Pad" is known as a jerk around the leauge) can horse collar and potentially hurt the stud RB for Houston then it's time to step up, and whatever happens, happens. Houston might win without Johnson, but they will not win with out Foster. Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB.

Swamp

I'm fairly certain that penalty was called on Michael Griffin, not Finnegan. Also, don't you actually have to tackle the player in order to get a horse collar penalty?

 

[Lobary]

The real reason behind AJ's anger. It's here in the Play by Play

3-10-HOU5

(9:58) A.Foster left tackle pushed ob at HST 42 for 37 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on TEN-C.Finnegan, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at HST 42. 1-10-TEN43 (9:29) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch, J.Haye).

2-8-TEN41 (8:46) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for no gain (M.Griffin, M.Douglas).

3-8-TEN41 (8:01) D.Ward right end to TEN 34 for 7 yards (J.McCourty). Penalty on HST-A.Johnson, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on TEN-C.Finnegan, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. (Both 80 Johnson and 31 Finnigan were ejected from the game)

AJ probably said to himself, that if this jerk (and yes, "Brillo Pad" is known as a jerk around the leauge) can horse collar and potentially hurt the stud RB for Houston then it's time to step up, and whatever happens, happens. Houston might win without Johnson, but they will not win with out Foster. Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB.

Swamp

This is shtick right?

Did you watch the game? That penalty was representative of exactly the kind of team the Titans aspire to be. If there is anything I lament about AJ beating the crap out of the dirtiest mofo in the NFL, it's the fact that it obscured that Foster run. I am still pissed off about it because not only could Foster have been seriously injured (it was an egregious facemask that should've been called on Michael Griffin), but the violation prevented Foster from possibly housing it down the right sideline for a 96-yd score. Were it not for Griffin nearly ripping Foster's head off, Foster would not have been slowed up enough to allow TorchedAgain to horsecollar him out of bounds.

 

[Lobary]

The real reason behind AJ's anger. It's here in the Play by Play

3-10-HOU5

(9:58) A.Foster left tackle pushed ob at HST 42 for 37 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on TEN-C.Finnegan, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at HST 42. 1-10-TEN43 (9:29) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch, J.Haye).

2-8-TEN41 (8:46) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for no gain (M.Griffin, M.Douglas).

3-8-TEN41 (8:01) D.Ward right end to TEN 34 for 7 yards (J.McCourty). Penalty on HST-A.Johnson, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on TEN-C.Finnegan, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. (Both 80 Johnson and 31 Finnigan were ejected from the game)

AJ probably said to himself, that if this jerk (and yes, "Brillo Pad" is known as a jerk around the leauge) can horse collar and potentially hurt the stud RB for Houston then it's time to step up, and whatever happens, happens. Houston might win without Johnson, but they will not win with out Foster. Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB.

Swamp

I'm fairly certain that penalty was called on Michael Griffin, not Finnegan. Also, don't you actually have to tackle the player in order to get a horse collar penalty?

No, the penalty was called on Finnegan. And no, you don't have to actually drag someone down to the ground to commit the infraction. Are you Dan Fouts?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The real reason behind AJ's anger. It's here in the Play by Play

3-10-HOU5

(9:58) A.Foster left tackle pushed ob at HST 42 for 37 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on TEN-C.Finnegan, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at HST 42. 1-10-TEN43 (9:29) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for 2 yards (S.Tulloch, J.Haye).

2-8-TEN41 (8:46) A.Foster left tackle to TEN 41 for no gain (M.Griffin, M.Douglas).

3-8-TEN41 (8:01) D.Ward right end to TEN 34 for 7 yards (J.McCourty). Penalty on HST-A.Johnson, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. Penalty on TEN-C.Finnegan, Unnecessary Roughness, offsetting. (Both 80 Johnson and 31 Finnigan were ejected from the game)

AJ probably said to himself, that if this jerk (and yes, "Brillo Pad" is known as a jerk around the leauge) can horse collar and potentially hurt the stud RB for Houston then it's time to step up, and whatever happens, happens. Houston might win without Johnson, but they will not win with out Foster. Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB.

Swamp

This is shtick right?

Did you watch the game? That penalty was representative of exactly the kind of team the Titans aspire to be. If there is anything I lament about AJ beating the crap out of the dirtiest mofo in the NFL, it's the fact that it obscured that Foster run. I am still pissed off about it because not only could Foster have been seriously injured (it was an egregious facemask that should've been called on Michael Griffin), but the violation prevented Foster from possibly housing it down the right sideline for a 96-yd score. Were it not for Griffin nearly ripping Foster's head off, Foster would not have been slowed up enough to allow TorchedAgain to horsecollar him out of bounds.

I didn't watch the whole game. I've watched the footage I could find..

I don't doubt the face masking or the horse collaring... then again, Every game has penalties.. Those things happen.

I'm doubting the idea that AJ and CF were fighting over the horse colar penalty...

"Simple case of a star WR protecting his star RB" You really think so? Looked like a simple case of CF getting under AJ's skin...

 

[jsharlan]

Never said it was his job, I said it wasn't bullying, and that things like that happen in the process of doing his job..... You seem hell bent on twisting my words and starting a tangent argument....

The topic.... Do you think Andre should be punished? Do you think he did anything wrong? I already know the answer to that because I've read your other posts, explain your answers.... CF was being a jerk but so was AJ, and AJ took it to another level... he didn't need to go there... They should both be punished.. I'm guessing 1 game suspension/fines...

CF wasn't a bully, he was doing his job.. His methods may be questionable, and certainly won't make him anyone's favorite, but it's not like he was cheap shoting anyone, he was trying to get under the big mans skin, and it worked... Head games are a part of football..

I wasn't twisting words, I was taking it exactly how you wrote it. I may be biased as a Texans fan, but of course I can acknowledge that AJ did some wrong here. I also think he should be punished. I'm on the fence as far as if he is deserving of a suspension, when you follow AJ over the years and see the good he does, you can see this isn't a bad guy. My main beef is that I think Finnegan should be punished more than AJ, not that AJ shouldn't be punished.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Johnson should have taken his back and dropped elbows when girly girl turtled. That would have been impressive.

Maybe he should have cinched in a body triangle and the rear choke.... And waited for him to tap..

Too easy to defend the RNC with shoulder pads on...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Never said it was his job, I said it wasn't bullying, and that things like that happen in the process of doing his job..... You seem hell bent on twisting my words and starting a tangent argument....

The topic.... Do you think Andre should be punished? Do you think he did anything wrong? I already know the answer to that because I've read your other posts, explain your answers.... CF was being a jerk but so was AJ, and AJ took it to another level... he didn't need to go there... They should both be punished.. I'm guessing 1 game suspension/fines...

CF wasn't a bully, he was doing his job.. His methods may be questionable, and certainly won't make him anyone's favorite, but it's not like he was cheap shoting anyone, he was trying to get under the big mans skin, and it worked... Head games are a part of football..

I wasn't twisting words, I was taking it exactly how you wrote it. I may be biased as a Texans fan, but of course I can acknowledge that AJ did some wrong here. I also think he should be punished. I'm on the fence as far as if he is deserving of a suspension, when you follow AJ over the years and see the good he does, you can see this isn't a bad guy. My main beef is that I think Finnegan should be punished more than AJ, not that AJ shouldn't be punished.

Based on what? AJ's good deeds over the years? I don't think that factors in...The most recent clip posted above would show AJ being a jerk on the previous play.... Doesn't excuse CF's retaliation, but shows that it wasn't all CF...

 

[jsharlan]

The only one doing any retaliating was AJ. And I think he deserves less punishment than Finnegan, based on the fact AJ has been a model citizen and Finnegan is a self declared dirty player who has been repeatedly fined, and who was laughing and smirking at the Houston bench after the fight was over. The instigator should get punished more.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The only one doing any retaliating was AJ. And I think he deserves less punishment than Finnegan, based on the fact AJ has been a model citizen and Finnegan is a self declared dirty player who has been repeatedly fined, and who was laughing and smirking at the Houston bench after the fight was over. The instigator should get punished more.

Laughing, smirking, and clapping aren't against the rules. Hands to the face: Both AJ and CFBlows to the head: Both AJ and CFFace masking: Both AJ and CFYanking off apposing players helmets (personal fowl, unnecessary roughness?): Both AJ and CFPushing from behind (personal fowl, unnecessary roughness?): Only AJPunching a man in the face and head with no helmet on: Multiple times - Only AJPunching a man while face down in the turf: Only AJWho hit who first? From the footage we have, on the previous play it's unclear but they were both into each others face masks a bit, and AJ followed with a stiff shove from behind when CF's back was turned and helmet off.What are you saying AJ was retaliating for, if he was the one retaliating and not CF...

 

[jsharlan]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you don't typically watch Texans-Titans games. Just because you didn't see some youtube of Finnegan shoving AJ in the back, jumping on his back after a ball was thrown well over his head, repeatedly putting his hands in the face, doesn't mean it isn't happening every game as any Texans fan can attest to over the last several years.

Just because he got his ### kicked and couldn't land any of his own blows in this one particular fight does not erase a history of fines and violations that lead up to this point. He has a history of starting fights, he has been fined, warned repeatedly, and thats why his punishment should be greater.

By your logic the kid in school who repeatedly got his lunch money taken by the school bully and finally got sick of it and kicked his ### obviously should be punished the same as the bully who spend weeks driving the kid to the edge.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Finnegan's one of those guys you hate unless he's on your team

This. Who we root for (or against) tends to color our opinions on these things. Ravens fans hate Hines Ward and call him dirty, but he'd be the Hero of Baltimore if he wore purple. Same with Ray Lewis - would be loved in Pittsburgh if he played there, but he's a thug because he plays for the Ravens.That being said, Finnegan is a bit of a punk and has been baiting guys for years. More power to him if he can make it work to his advantage, but I can't say I was sorry to see AJ clock him.

To be fair, Ward has repeatedly been voted, by his fellow players, as the dirtiest player in the league.

To be really, really fair... he did finish 2nd to Rodney Harrison some years.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you don't typically watch Texans-Titans games. Just because you didn't see some youtube of Finnegan shoving AJ in the back, jumping on his back after a ball was thrown well over his head, repeatedly putting his hands in the face, doesn't mean it isn't happening every game as any Texans fan can attest to over the last several years.Just because he got his ### kicked and couldn't land any of his own blows in this one particular fight does not erase a history of fines and violations that lead up to this point. He has a history of starting fights, he has been fined, warned repeatedly, and thats why his punishment should be greater.By your logic the kid in school who repeatedly got his lunch money taken by the school bully and finally got sick of it and kicked his ### obviously should be punished the same as the bully who spend weeks driving the kid to the edge.

For the incident of the fight, yes... The previous offenses should have been handled previously... And same goes with CF...I'm saying Andre was the bigger offender this time and the only reason why I think it should have been equal punishment is due to CF's history... Otherwise, AJ should be punished more severely.You seem to be promoting retaliation and justification... Children who grow up being told to fight and to hit back end up in trouble if they don't learn alternative methods of avoiding conflict.. I'm not faulting him for being aggravated, just for lack of self control...

 

[jamil]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you don't typically watch Texans-Titans games. Just because you didn't see some youtube of Finnegan shoving AJ in the back, jumping on his back after a ball was thrown well over his head, repeatedly putting his hands in the face, doesn't mean it isn't happening every game as any Texans fan can attest to over the last several years.Just because he got his ### kicked and couldn't land any of his own blows in this one particular fight does not erase a history of fines and violations that lead up to this point. He has a history of starting fights, he has been fined, warned repeatedly, and thats why his punishment should be greater.By your logic the kid in school who repeatedly got his lunch money taken by the school bully and finally got sick of it and kicked his ### obviously should be punished the same as the bully who spend weeks driving the kid to the edge.

For the incident of the fight, yes... The previous offenses should have been handled previously... And same goes with CF...I'm saying Andre was the bigger offender this time and the only reason why I think it should have been equal punishment is due to CF's history... Otherwise, AJ should be punished more severely.You seem to be promoting retaliation and justification... Children who grow up being told to fight and to hit back end up in trouble if they don't learn alternative methods of avoiding conflict.. I'm not faulting him for being aggravated, just for lack of self control...

I don't know how many times I'll say this but I don't blame Dre at all. This kind of s### has been going on with Finnegan for awhile now. Was he just supposed to keep taking it everytime he played?It's not retaliation and justification as much as it is standing up for yourself. That crap has been going on for at least 2+ years.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Houston Radio said NFL films had Andre Mic'ed

can't wait for next weeks Sound FX

They'll never show it.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you don't typically watch Texans-Titans games. Just because you didn't see some youtube of Finnegan shoving AJ in the back, jumping on his back after a ball was thrown well over his head, repeatedly putting his hands in the face, doesn't mean it isn't happening every game as any Texans fan can attest to over the last several years.Just because he got his ### kicked and couldn't land any of his own blows in this one particular fight does not erase a history of fines and violations that lead up to this point. He has a history of starting fights, he has been fined, warned repeatedly, and thats why his punishment should be greater.By your logic the kid in school who repeatedly got his lunch money taken by the school bully and finally got sick of it and kicked his ### obviously should be punished the same as the bully who spend weeks driving the kid to the edge.

For the incident of the fight, yes... The previous offenses should have been handled previously... And same goes with CF...I'm saying Andre was the bigger offender this time and the only reason why I think it should have been equal punishment is due to CF's history... Otherwise, AJ should be punished more severely.You seem to be promoting retaliation and justification... Children who grow up being told to fight and to hit back end up in trouble if they don't learn alternative methods of avoiding conflict.. I'm not faulting him for being aggravated, just for lack of self control...

I don't know how many times I'll say this but I don't blame Dre at all. This kind of s### has been going on with Finnegan for awhile now. Was he just supposed to keep taking it everytime he played?It's not retaliation and justification as much as it is standing up for yourself. That crap has been going on for at least 2+ years.

So you have to punch someone to stand up for yourself?

 

[kingmalaki]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you don't typically watch Texans-Titans games. Just because you didn't see some youtube of Finnegan shoving AJ in the back, jumping on his back after a ball was thrown well over his head, repeatedly putting his hands in the face, doesn't mean it isn't happening every game as any Texans fan can attest to over the last several years.Just because he got his ### kicked and couldn't land any of his own blows in this one particular fight does not erase a history of fines and violations that lead up to this point. He has a history of starting fights, he has been fined, warned repeatedly, and thats why his punishment should be greater.By your logic the kid in school who repeatedly got his lunch money taken by the school bully and finally got sick of it and kicked his ### obviously should be punished the same as the bully who spend weeks driving the kid to the edge.

For the incident of the fight, yes... The previous offenses should have been handled previously... And same goes with CF...I'm saying Andre was the bigger offender this time and the only reason why I think it should have been equal punishment is due to CF's history... Otherwise, AJ should be punished more severely.You seem to be promoting retaliation and justification... Children who grow up being told to fight and to hit back end up in trouble if they don't learn alternative methods of avoiding conflict.. I'm not faulting him for being aggravated, just for lack of self control...

I don't know how many times I'll say this but I don't blame Dre at all. This kind of s### has been going on with Finnegan for awhile now. Was he just supposed to keep taking it everytime he played?It's not retaliation and justification as much as it is standing up for yourself. That crap has been going on for at least 2+ years.

So you have to punch someone to stand up for yourself?

Sometimes yes. Whether you agree with punching or not, I'm sure you can agree that Finnegans actions towards Dre have been going on for a few seasons and just playing nice clearly wasn't working as the actions were still going on. I guarentee you that if there are cheap shots during their next game at least the refs will be more aware and on top of it.Turning the other cheel does not always work.

 

[footballnerd]

Houston Radio said NFL films had Andre Mic'ed

can't wait for next weeks Sound FX

and here it is......NFL Sound FX: The Fight Before the Fight

 

[Mister CIA]

It's been many years since I had a favorite football player, but no more. Seriously considering buying an AJ jersey, and I've never even watched a Texans game from start to finish.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Houston Radio said NFL films had Andre Mic'ed

can't wait for next weeks Sound FX

and here it is......NFL Sound FX: The Fight Before the Fight

.....and it is awesome :anatomy of a beatdown:

Choice bits (paraphrasing)-

AJ-- "You mind checking out 31?"

Ref-- "Oh 31? Oh yeah! I'm watching him every play. I always watch him every play...everywhere!"

Kevin Walter-- "31's following you"

Schaub (right before the tussle)-- "Keep your poise guys. They're gonna try and get us to do some dumb ****....."

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

It's been many years since I had a favorite football player, but no more. Seriously considering buying an AJ jersey, and I've never even watched a Texans game from start to finish.

Cool dude.

 

[prymetyme25]

It's been many years since I had a favorite football player, but no more. Seriously considering buying an AJ jersey, and I've never even watched a Texans game from start to finish.

You couldn't ask for a better superstar. Dre is the totally package. I'm proud to say that I can root for this guy on Sundays.

 

[jsharlan]

Pretty lame of the NFL to cut out all of the audio from before the fight. The whole FX clip was rather lackluster. They could have at least aired it and just bleeped out the curse words.

 

[footballnerd]

Choice bits (paraphrasing)- AJ-- "You mind checking out 31?" Ref-- "Oh 31? Oh yeah! I'm watching him every play. I always watch him every play...everywhere!" Kevin Walter-- "31's following you" Schaub (right before the tussle)-- "Keep your poise guys. They're gonna try and get us to do some dumb ****....."

ya I like how they found those dialogues, although I interpreted Walter saying "31's fouling you"I'm liking AJ moreAlso interesting how Shaub was saying that was the first time they passed on the goal line. Damn you Foster!

 

[Txns8]

NFL Films had him miked for the Tenn game. Too bad they muffled the conversations when they played it....

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Choice bits (paraphrasing)- AJ-- "You mind checking out 31?" Ref-- "Oh 31? Oh yeah! I'm watching him every play. I always watch him every play...everywhere!" Kevin Walter-- "31's following you" Schaub (right before the tussle)-- "Keep your poise guys. They're gonna try and get us to do some dumb ****....."

ya I like how they found those dialogues, although I interpreted Walter saying "31's fouling you"I'm liking AJ moreAlso interesting how Shaub was saying that was the first time they passed on the goal line. Damn you Foster!

Another good one was AJ's response to the offensive coach regarding a chip block which was obviously part of the goalline play in which he scored the TD. "Chip? Naw, I ain't gotta chip.....I just took off." Brilliant And speaking of brilliant, leave it to Mr. Finnegan to provide the postscript:""Everybody (asks), 'Hey, are you OK?' " Finnegan said. "I said, 'She's got to hit a lot harder than that for me not to be OK.' Can't wait for round 2 on Dec. 19th