Andre Johnson given permission to seek trade (1 Viewer)

[DocHolliday]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Britt, Smith, Shorts? Oof.

Even Crabtree is a funny add on that list.

 

[dhockster]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Given the right situation, I think Andre can be very valuable, just like Boldin has been late in his career. I think a lot of his decline over the past two years is tied directly to his QB's.......Shaub/Keenum/Fitzgerald/Mallett/Savage. He has basically played with one starter who worked himself into a backup (Shaub), one starter who should be a backup (Fitzgerald), and 3 unproven, inexperienced, haven't done anything yet QB's. Jerry Rice would look bad with those QB's. And his numbers with that trash over the last 2 years? 194 receptions, 2,343 yards, 8 TD's. Other than the TD's, those are pretty good numbers.

 

[travdogg]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Britt, Smith, Shorts? Oof.

I can see preferring Andre over Britt and Shorts, but I'm surprised anyone would prefer Andre over Torrey Smith. 8 years younger, and a far bigger threat to defenses at this point.

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

 

[travdogg]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Given the right situation, I think Andre can be very valuable, just like Boldin has been late in his career. I think a lot of his decline over the past two years is tied directly to his QB's.......Shaub/Keenum/Fitzgerald/Mallett/Savage. He has basically played with one starter who worked himself into a backup (Shaub), one starter who should be a backup (Fitzgerald), and 3 unproven, inexperienced, haven't done anything yet QB's. Jerry Rice would look bad with those QB's. And his numbers with that trash over the last 2 years? 194 receptions, 2,343 yards, 8 TD's. Other than the TD's, those are pretty good numbers.

If the bolded things are is true, then DeAndre Hopkins is the best WR in the NFL, because he has looked great with those same QBs.

Johnson's 2013 numbers were good, but he was a mediocre WR compiling huge target numbers. He was basically Pierre Garcon of the AFC.

 

[dhockster]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Britt, Smith, Shorts? Oof.

I can see preferring Andre over Britt and Shorts, but I'm surprised anyone would prefer Andre over Torrey Smith. 8 years younger, and a far bigger threat to defenses at this point.

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

I thought Boldin was pretty useful in helping the 49ers get to the Superbowl.

 

[dhockster]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Given the right situation, I think Andre can be very valuable, just like Boldin has been late in his career. I think a lot of his decline over the past two years is tied directly to his QB's.......Shaub/Keenum/Fitzgerald/Mallett/Savage. He has basically played with one starter who worked himself into a backup (Shaub), one starter who should be a backup (Fitzgerald), and 3 unproven, inexperienced, haven't done anything yet QB's. Jerry Rice would look bad with those QB's. And his numbers with that trash over the last 2 years? 194 receptions, 2,343 yards, 8 TD's. Other than the TD's, those are pretty good numbers.

If the bolded things are is true, then DeAndre Hopkins is the best WR in the NFL, because he has looked great with those same QBs.

Johnson's 2013 numbers were good, but he was a mediocre WR compiling huge target numbers. He was basically Pierre Garcon of the AFC.

I am not saying Johnson is going to be a top tier WR. But if he went to Seattle he would definitely help their WR corps, which could be the difference in them winning or losing the Superbowl. And yes there may be better options, but your question was could he be a valuable commodity to someone. I think the answer is yes.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Britt, Smith, Shorts? Oof.

I can see preferring Andre over Britt and Shorts, but I'm surprised anyone would prefer Andre over Torrey Smith. 8 years younger, and a far bigger threat to defenses at this point.

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

I thought Boldin was pretty useful in helping the 49ers get to the Superbowl.

You mean Baltimore, and winning it

 

[dhockster]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Britt, Smith, Shorts? Oof.

I can see preferring Andre over Britt and Shorts, but I'm surprised anyone would prefer Andre over Torrey Smith. 8 years younger, and a far bigger threat to defenses at this point.

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

I thought Boldin was pretty useful in helping the 49ers get to the Superbowl.

You mean Baltimore, and winning it

Yes, I stand corrected.

 

[12punch]

PFT's Mike Florio reports Andre Johnson has asked for his release from the Texans.

 

[FUBAR]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

 

[GregR]

PFT's Mike Florio reports Andre Johnson has asked for his release from the Texans.

With his contract what it is, not very surprising that no one wants to invest a pick to ensure getting him.

 

[travdogg]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

If this were 2012 I'd agree. But it isn't. Andre Johnson was 5th in targets last season, and still failed to eclipse 1,000 yards. He has never been a good redzone weapon and had only 3 TDs last season. He was the 2nd worst WR in the NFL according to DYAR, and in the bottom 10 in DVOA. The QB excuse is not a good excuse, because the same QBs didn't stop DeAndre Hopkins from having 300 more yards and 3 more TD's on 20 fewer targets.

Also, if those teams had Andre Johnson, they wouldn't have been able to afford the more important players, that got them as far as they did a year ago.

 

[menobrown]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

If this were 2012 I'd agree. But it isn't. Andre Johnson was 5th in targets last season, and still failed to eclipse 1,000 yards. He has never been a good redzone weapon and had only 3 TDs last season. He was the 2nd worst WR in the NFL according to DYAR, and in the bottom 10 in DVOA. The QB excuse is not a good excuse, because the same QBs didn't stop DeAndre Hopkins from having 300 more yards and 3 more TD's on 20 fewer targets.

Also, if those teams had Andre Johnson, they wouldn't have been able to afford the more important players, that got them as far as they did a year ago.

I got to agree with this, I think you hit it on the head in your earlier post when you said this was like adding Boldin or Steve Smith.

And fact is both of those players have been big assets the past few seasons but not the kind of players who will have transformative impact on an offense.

 

[DropKick]

I think I am in the minority, but is Andre Johnson really a valuable commodity at this point? He looked awful this year, and mediocre other than 1 monster game in 2013.

Just looking at FA WRs, I'd rather have:

Cobb

Maclin

Smith

Crabtree

Britt

Shorts

Honestly other than name value, I'm not sure Andre is a much better player than a guy like Brian Hartline or Stevie Johnson, and he'll likely cost triple what they do.

Given the right situation, I think Andre can be very valuable, just like Boldin has been late in his career. I think a lot of his decline over the past two years is tied directly to his QB's.......Shaub/Keenum/Fitzgerald/Mallett/Savage. He has basically played with one starter who worked himself into a backup (Shaub), one starter who should be a backup (Fitzgerald), and 3 unproven, inexperienced, haven't done anything yet QB's. Jerry Rice would look bad with those QB's. And his numbers with that trash over the last 2 years? 194 receptions, 2,343 yards, 8 TD's. Other than the TD's, those are pretty good numbers.

If the bolded things are is true, then DeAndre Hopkins is the best WR in the NFL, because he has looked great with those same QBs.

Johnson's 2013 numbers were good, but he was a mediocre WR compiling huge target numbers. He was basically Pierre Garcon of the AFC.

For starters, the QB play was miserable...

52 and 76 receptions to Johnson's 109 and 85? Clearly, AJ is on the back nine of his career and Hopkins is ascending but I think you're exaggerating a little.

AJ can still be a fantasy factor, especially in the right landing spot.

 

[DropKick]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

If this were 2012 I'd agree. But it isn't. Andre Johnson was 5th in targets last season, and still failed to eclipse 1,000 yards. He has never been a good redzone weapon and had only 3 TDs last season. He was the 2nd worst WR in the NFL according to DYAR, and in the bottom 10 in DVOA. The QB excuse is not a good excuse, because the same QBs didn't stop DeAndre Hopkins from having 300 more yards and 3 more TD's on 20 fewer targets.

Also, if those teams had Andre Johnson, they wouldn't have been able to afford the more important players, that got them as far as they did a year ago.

At this juncture in his career, who knows what salary Andre will demand? And for a short deal, there are plenty of teams with cap space.

Silly to say he couldn't be a difference maker. Give him an accurate QB and a few weapons on offense and he can become a valuable piece. He doesn't have to carry a team. For example, how much of an upgrade would he be for the Colts over Nicks? I think that makes them much more formidable and forces the defense to account for multiple threats.

 

[12punch]

At this juncture in his career, who knows what salary Andre will demand? And for a short deal, there are plenty of teams with cap space.

Silly to say he couldn't be a difference maker. Give him an accurate QB and a few weapons on offense and he can become a valuable piece. He doesn't have to carry a team. For example, how much of an upgrade would he be for the Colts over Nicks? I think that makes them much more formidable and forces the defense to account for multiple threats.

yeah, that's probably what they thought when they signed nicks

 

[Shutout]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

If this were 2012 I'd agree. But it isn't. Andre Johnson was 5th in targets last season, and still failed to eclipse 1,000 yards. He has never been a good redzone weapon and had only 3 TDs last season. He was the 2nd worst WR in the NFL according to DYAR, and in the bottom 10 in DVOA. The QB excuse is not a good excuse, because the same QBs didn't stop DeAndre Hopkins from having 300 more yards and 3 more TD's on 20 fewer targets.

Also, if those teams had Andre Johnson, they wouldn't have been able to afford the more important players, that got them as far as they did a year ago.

Have to put that in perspective. Tha'ts like saying "how is it Golden Tate looked all-world at time last year? Because people are focused on Calvin Johnson.

Nuk is a very good player but he is 3rd on the radar of people to stop in Houston.

Even a track star looks slow when he is shackled by a cinder block. That's the equivalent of what AJ has played with the past 3-4 years. Even when Shaub was "good", it was Foster taking SO much attention off things that allowed things to open. Lots of busted plays.

Saying a guy was targeted a lot is relative. Being "targeted" by Aaron Rodgers and his accuracy isn't the same things as when Christian Ponder targets you. You need competent QB play and Houston hasn't had it. That's a fact. If they DID have it, they would be like every other team with a great QB and would throw it a lot.

 

[travdogg]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

If this were 2012 I'd agree. But it isn't. Andre Johnson was 5th in targets last season, and still failed to eclipse 1,000 yards. He has never been a good redzone weapon and had only 3 TDs last season. He was the 2nd worst WR in the NFL according to DYAR, and in the bottom 10 in DVOA. The QB excuse is not a good excuse, because the same QBs didn't stop DeAndre Hopkins from having 300 more yards and 3 more TD's on 20 fewer targets.

Also, if those teams had Andre Johnson, they wouldn't have been able to afford the more important players, that got them as far as they did a year ago.

Have to put that in perspective. Tha'ts like saying "how is it Golden Tate looked all-world at time last year? Because people are focused on Calvin Johnson.

Nuk is a very good player but he is 3rd on the radar of people to stop in Houston.

Even a track star looks slow when he is shackled by a cinder block. That's the equivalent of what AJ has played with the past 3-4 years. Even when Shaub was "good", it was Foster taking SO much attention off things that allowed things to open. Lots of busted plays.

Saying a guy was targeted a lot is relative. Being "targeted" by Aaron Rodgers and his accuracy isn't the same things as when Christian Ponder targets you. You need competent QB play and Houston hasn't had it. That's a fact. If they DID have it, they would be like every other team with a great QB and would throw it a lot.

I don't think the Tate/Calvin thing is the same at all. If it were, Detroit would be trying to trade Calvin right now. Tate benefited from Calvin being hurt and being peppered with targets in his absence. When Calvin came back, it was pretty close to business as usual.

DeAndre Hopkins is a better WR right now than Andre Johnson. I can't see a single argument against that fact. If Houston felt Johnson was a better player, they wouldn't be trying to trade him or eventually cut him.

I don't understand the bolded argument, because again Hopkins played with the same QBs as Johnson. The Rodgers/Ponder argument doesn't make sense, unless you are Greg Jennings agent. Rodgers/Flynn makes sense, and in 2013 that came close to derailing the entire Packers passing game, Cobb being hurt didn't help either.

 

[FUBAR]

I think there may be some denial among Andre Johnson backers. This isn't a star WR in 2015, this is Anquan Boldin or Steve Smith. he could be useful for sure, but isn't pushing any team over the top.

disagree completely with that notion. Put AJ in Seattle and they win SB XLIX. Probably same thing in Baltimore or Dallas.

He's worth a few points per game (at least) with a good QB.

If this were 2012 I'd agree. But it isn't. Andre Johnson was 5th in targets last season, and still failed to eclipse 1,000 yards. He has never been a good redzone weapon and had only 3 TDs last season. He was the 2nd worst WR in the NFL according to DYAR, and in the bottom 10 in DVOA. The QB excuse is not a good excuse, because the same QBs didn't stop DeAndre Hopkins from having 300 more yards and 3 more TD's on 20 fewer targets.

Also, if those teams had Andre Johnson, they wouldn't have been able to afford the more important players, that got them as far as they did a year ago.

I got to agree with this, I think you hit it on the head in your earlier post when you said this was like adding Boldin or Steve Smith.

And fact is both of those players have been big assets the past few seasons but not the kind of players who will have transformative impact on an offense.

Who's talking about a "transformative impact"?

Agreed that Boldin or Smith are similar to the impact AJ would have. Both of those players netted over 1,000 yards last year, Boldin has helped win a Super Bowl and Smith helped get Baltimore closer than most thought they would this year.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Mike Tanker, writing at Bleacher Report, says that Andre Johnson doesn't even belong on am NFL roster anymore.

ETA: Autocorrect screwed up his name. It's Mike Tanier. He used to write for FootballOutsiders.

 

[jeaton6]

Mike Tanker, writing at Bleacher Report, says that Andre Johnson doesn't even belong on am NFL roster anymore.

Well Mike Tanker is dumb.

 

[HittinHard]

Would love to see him and Luck on the same team.

 

[travdogg]

Mike Tanker, writing at Bleacher Report, says that Andre Johnson doesn't even belong on am NFL roster anymore.

Whoa, and I thought I was down on Andre.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Mike Tanier:

If the Texans trade or release Johnson, he will get invited to some training camp as a veteran stabilizer. Because of his limited special teams value and declining skills, he will have a hard time earning a roster spot away from younger, more versatile receivers. If he makes a regular-season roster, it will only be for a team that compulsively collects veterans for the back of the bench. The Redskins, in other words.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2384718-suh-murray-and-mcphee-whats-a-top-free-agent-really-worth

Basically, his reasoning is that Johnson dropped a bunch of passes last year which means his quick twitch ability is completely gone and that means he's toast.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Have to put that in perspective. Tha'ts like saying "how is it Golden Tate looked all-world at time last year? Because people are focused on Calvin Johnson.

Most of Tate's big games came when Calvin was out injured or limited.

 

[dhockster]

Mike Tanker, writing at Bleacher Report, says that Andre Johnson doesn't even belong on am NFL roster anymore.

Whoa, and I thought I was down on Andre.

No kidding. Did Andre speak mean to his kid or something? Forget Andre's great career, I would have a hard time saying any WR who just came off a season of over 80 catches with over 900 receiving yards on a team with terrible QB's, didn't belong on an NFL roster anymore. Now maybe this guy has watched a ton of Andre tape and sees something I did not see just watching Texans games, or maybe he is just trying to be controversial to get attention. Either way this guy has gone out on a long limb.

 

[cstu]

Not looking good for AJ.

 

[Dragon1952]

Not looking good for AJ.

At least this didn't rate your train wreck.