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[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4326

The knee injury that sidelined wide receiver Andre Johnson for the majority of the 2007 season has crept up again.

Coach Gary Kubiak announced Monday after the Texans’ first OTA workout that Johnson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery after last weekend’s mini-camp, and the fifth-year veteran will miss the remainder of the team's offseason workouts.

The good news, though, is that Johnson should be ready for training camp at the end of July.

“Yes, it's a concern, but at the same time, injuries happen,” Johnson said. “You just have to do what you have to do to make those injuries better.”

With a sleeve covering his left knee, Johnson sounded optimistic about his recovery.

“I feel good right now,” he said. “The knee didn’t swell up or anything. It has a little bit of swelling, but nothing major. If you looked at my knee, you wouldn’t really even be able to tell anything is wrong with it. Other than that, I am feeling fine, just rehabbing every day, doing what I need to do to get back on the field.”

"If you looked at my knee, you wouldn’t really even be able to tell anything is wrong with it. Other than that, I am feeling fine, just rehabbing every day, doing what I need to do to get back on the field.” - wide receiver Andre JohnsonJohnson initially injured his knee in the Texans’ Week 2 win at the Carolina Panthers. He returned for Week 10 against the New Orleans Saints, finishing with a team-high six catches for 120 yards and a 73-yard touchdown in the 23-10 win. For the season, Johnson finished third on the team with 60 catches for 851 yards (14.2 avg.) along with a team-high eight touchdown grabs.

Although he appeared in top form late last season, Johnson indicated otherwise on Monday.

“(My knee) did start bothering me at a certain point after I came back,” he said. “But during the week, during practice, I really wasn’t practicing much. I pretty much was just taking reps here and there, resting and then getting ready for the game on Sunday. I came back out during offseason workouts and it kind of flared up on me again. So we just took it from there.”

This isn’t the first time that Johnson has had arthroscopic surgery.

“I’ve had it done to my shoulder when I was in college and I came right back and didn’t miss a beat,” he said. “So I’m just doing what I need to do to get myself ready.

“We don’t play any games any time soon...I mean, I’ve been through this (OTAs) before. This isn’t my first time through this, so I know what to expect.”

Stay tuned to HoustonTexans.com for more updates on this story, including video and comments from Kubiak

 

[King of the Jungle]

The man will seemingly never reach full potential.

 

[golfguy]

The man will seemingly never reach full potential.

still a lot better then charles rogers though

 

[travdogg]

The man will seemingly never reach full potential.

still a lot better then charles rogers though

Brandon Lloyd is still better than Rogers. I bet his agent never fails to tell people that his client is better than a 2nd overall pick.As for AJ, this is one more reason I wouldn't take him in the top-5 in a redraft.

 

[munchkin]

If you looked at my knee, you wouldn’t really even be able to tell anything is wrong with it.

Other than the scars......

Hopefully this is just a clean up.

 

[saintfool]

how many of us expect him to be game ready by week 1 if he's only going to be healthy by TC?

 

[Spark026]

Doesn't sound that bad, but it still makes me feel better about trading him away for Randy Moss, and a 17 spot jump from the 8th Round to the 6th Round. That extra 6th Round pick turned out pretty well too.

 

[Duke1948]

Doesn't sound that bad, but it still makes me feel better about trading him away for Randy Moss, and a 17 spot jump from the 8th Round to the 6th Round. That extra 6th Round pick turned out pretty well too.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Man, I wish he'd just get healthy. I think we'd all be impressed by a full healthy season of him with Schaub.

 

[Bonfire]

for what its worth:

were talking about it a lot today on Houston AM radio. had people at the practices etc. and they all said every 'inside' source wasn't too worried, and acted kind of like it was precautionary as much as anything. of course this could be just putting 'homer' spin on it, but in the past they have been very up front about injury status and haven't tried to paint rosy pictures etc. andre didn't seemed worried that it would affect next year, neither did kub etc. i think a lot of the doom/gloom in here may be a bit premature.

 

[mggoilers]

4 to 6 weeks for AJ...make it 4 to 6 months. The guy takes forever to heal.

 

[coolnerd]

4 to 6 weeks for AJ...make it 4 to 6 months. The guy takes forever to heal.

Actually, the problem is more that the Texans don't ever give straight answers about the severity of injuries. Last year he had an 8-10 week injury, but the stuff floting around said a month or so. Here, we are being told that it is some vesus of clean up. I would just wait and see versus believe anything beyond that he had knee surgery.

 

[Nemesis]

"We're talkin' about PRACTICE!..........We're not talkin' about a game.......We're talkin' about PRACTICE!"

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4326

The knee injury that sidelined wide receiver Andre Johnson for the majority of the 2007 season has crept up again.

Coach Gary Kubiak announced Monday after the Texans’ first OTA workout that Johnson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery after last weekend’s mini-camp, and the fifth-year veteran will miss the remainder of the team's offseason workouts.

The good news, though, is that Johnson should be ready for training camp at the end of July.

“Yes, it's a concern, but at the same time, injuries happen,” Johnson said. “You just have to do what you have to do to make those injuries better.”

...

Teams don't do arthroscopic surgeries in mid May. They do those sorts of things in Jan/Feb right after the season so players don't miss any OTAs or camp. This is an unfolding story and shouldn't be blown off. The team medical staff would have been all over this if they had known so either Dre hid this or it just popped up. I would go overboard and panic but I'd put up a yellow caution flag on this one.

 

[thehornet]

this doesnt sound good, what with AJ's history.

:crossfingers:

 

[fatness]

were talking about it a lot today on Houston AM radio. had people at the practices etc. and they all said every 'inside' source wasn't too worried, and acted kind of like it was precautionary as much as anything. of course this could be just putting 'homer' spin on it, but in the past they have been very up front about injury status and haven't tried to paint rosy pictures etc.

Actually, the problem is more that the Texans don't ever give straight answers about the severity of injuries.

?????

 

[coolnerd]

were talking about it a lot today on Houston AM radio. had people at the practices etc. and they all said every 'inside' source wasn't too worried, and acted kind of like it was precautionary as much as anything. of course this could be just putting 'homer' spin on it, but in the past they have been very up front about injury status and haven't tried to paint rosy pictures etc.

Actually, the problem is more that the Texans don't ever give straight answers about the severity of injuries.

?????

I will just start my side of the argument with tony boselli and Dom Davis/Williams, much less of how they handled Andre Johnson during last season.

 

[joefootball]

I hope people get scared away from Andre Johnson. I think he will be just fine.

 

[Bri]

It doesn't sound major at all

"arthroscopic" doesn't scare me as much as it used to.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

this sounds like a clean out more than anything else.

I wouldnt worry, but I was just reporting the facts

 

[Chachi]

This guy just doesn't produce. His best seasons he was #18 and #22 WR, in those 16 game played seasons he had. 155 points is the most he scored in a season. He makes some nice TDS and they're pretty, but this guy is WAY overrated. #4 on the dynasty list, Puhlease!

 

[teamroc]

this sounds like a clean out more than anything else.I wouldnt worry, but I was just reporting the facts

as someone else stated, you don't clean out a players knee right before TC. You do that in jan/feb. why didn't they clean it out months ago? You don't plan a scope weeks before TC. you don't plan to "clean it up" weeks before TC. You do that 4 months before TC. so this wasn't planned.obviously he's still having some issues, so he went under the knife again. while its not horribly awful news, its certainly not good news.

 

[AllVolUT]

This guy just doesn't produce. His best seasons he was #18 and #22 WR, in those 16 game played seasons he had. 155 points is the most he scored in a season. He makes some nice TDS and they're pretty, but this guy is WAY overrated. #4 on the dynasty list, Puhlease!

WAY overrated? No.In two of his four seasons, the guy put up 1100+yd seasons w/ David Carr...a testament to his skill that even Steve Smith would be proud of. When on the field, there is no doubt that the guy is a beast.

 

[gianmarco]

Two words:

BUY

LOW

 

[Chachi]

This guy just doesn't produce. His best seasons he was #18 and #22 WR, in those 16 game played seasons he had. 155 points is the most he scored in a season. He makes some nice TDS and they're pretty, but this guy is WAY overrated. #4 on the dynasty list, Puhlease!

WAY overrated? No.In two of his four seasons, the guy put up 1100+yd seasons w/ David Carr...a testament to his skill that even Steve Smith would be proud of. When on the field, there is no doubt that the guy is a beast.

Steve Smith finished #16 for WRs last season, his worst year in recent memory and he had Matt Moore and Weinke throwing to him in some games. Andre best year he finished #18 in WRS. Difference is Smith is a producer, not a guy with "potential".

 

[Chachi]

Two words:SELLNOW

Fixed

 

[thayman]

Two words:BUYLOW

If it continues to be a problem he will be a fantastic target for panicing owners.

 

[AllVolUT]

This guy just doesn't produce. His best seasons he was #18 and #22 WR, in those 16 game played seasons he had. 155 points is the most he scored in a season. He makes some nice TDS and they're pretty, but this guy is WAY overrated. #4 on the dynasty list, Puhlease!

WAY overrated? No.In two of his four seasons, the guy put up 1100+yd seasons w/ David Carr...a testament to his skill that even Steve Smith would be proud of. When on the field, there is no doubt that the guy is a beast.

Steve Smith finished #16 for WRs last season, his worst year in recent memory and he had Matt Moore and Weinke throwing to him in some games. Andre best year he finished #18 in WRS. Difference is Smith is a producer, not a guy with "potential".

1. Steve Smith has had only two years out of his seven where he has posted significantly better stats than he did last year. Two of Andre's five seasons were better than Steve Smith's last year.2. The point of my post was to show that Andre Johnson's 'best' seasons, where he finished WR18 and WR22, were likely due to his situation. Steve Smith felt a little the David Carr wrath last year that AJ had to feel in his first four seasons. AJ's 14.8ppg ranked third in the league, and looks to have a real solid connection with Schuab that will only improve over the off-season.Now while I believe Steve Smith is an extreme talent, I was usually him as a constant standard in my example. The long exaggerated point was to show that calling Smith a producer and AJ a guy with simply "potential", is unjust.

 

[Ripleys]

Smith and AJ are both awesome. period. But Smith is better (I'm a Panther fan)

 

[ThePittbully]

I don't understand the love for this guy. He's the Kevin Jones of wide receivers. When healthy he's a great talent, but he can't stay healthy. Meanwhile people can't dump on KJ fast enough and AJ gets as much love as TO or Randy Moss. The guy is ranked top 10 or more every year, it baffles me.

 

[gianmarco]

This is what I wrote about him in another thread:

This is the only thing that explains it and why I have him at #3 as well.

Last year was the first time in his career that he had a real QB throwing him the ball. Carr was just about as bad as they come and the fact AJ did what he did is amazing. We all saw what Carr did to Steve Smith last year.

So, knowing the talent he flashed and finally putting it to use with a QB that could get him the ball, he was a monster last year until he got hurt. Even missing almost half the season, he put up 60/851/8 in only 9 games.

Because of his age, talent, and finally having a QB, this is why he's ranked as high. There's something to be said with actually producing, but there are very real reasons why he hasn't reached his full potential and there's reasons to believe he finally will. He was doing so last year and was only held back by injury.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8581212

 

[coolnerd]

thread on Johnson's injury from texanstalk.com (clocknndagger is a medical doctor)

http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.ph...0443&page=3

 

[The Moz]

If AJ Is alright he is the #2 WR in fanasty football. I think even with this news he is worth a laste 2nd round/ early 3rd risk. If healthy the man will put up around 90 - 1400 - 14

 

[Chachi]

If AJ Is alright he is the #2 WR in fanasty football. I think even with this news he is worth a laste 2nd round/ early 3rd risk. If healthy the man will put up around 90 - 1400 - 14

WOW. Andre (Ranked #4 in dynasty) Games, Targets, Receptions, yards, avg, TD2003 HOU 16 119 66 976 14.8 4 2004 HOU 16 131 79 1142 14.5 6 2005 HOU 13 114 63 688 10.9 2 2006 HOU 16 165 103 1147 11.1 5 2007 HOU 9 86 60 851 14.2 8 Chad (Ranked #9 in dynasty)2003 CIN 16 154 90 1355 15.1 10 2004 CIN 16 158 95 1274 13.4 9 2005 CIN 16 155 97 1432 14.8 9 2006 CIN 16 154 87 1369 15.7 7 2007 CIN 16 160 93 1440 15.5 8 Why is Andre ranked 4 and Chad 9? One guy produces, one guy does not produce. Chad puts up #1 WR numbers every year (3,9,4,4,6) while Andre has been a pretender (23,22,47,18,22). I guess if you want to spend a real high pick and get mid level WR 2 numbers Andre is your guy, if you want to spend a lower pick and get top level #1 WR numbers Chad is your guy. People can say "But he's been injured" and i'll say "He doesn't produce, period". I don't care why a guy doesn't produce, I want the numbers, potential has never won me games.

 

[Chachi]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Game Logs for 2007...

Wk 1: 7/142/TD

Wk 2: 7/120/2 TDs...he was injured in this game

Wk 11: 6/120/TD

Wk 12: 3/37

Wk 13: 9/116/TD

Wk 14: 9/82/TD

Wk 15: 6/86/TD

Wk 16: 7/74/TD

Wk 17: 6/74

He posted 60/850/8 TD in basically a half a year and coming back from injury...He easily would have posted 100 receptions, about 1,400+ yds, and 12+ TDs..those are as good if not better than T.Owens.

This guy is top3-5 as long as he is healthy...he had 100+ catches in 2006 with David Carr throwing it and I think we all agree that Schaub(injury problems too) is a huge upgrade at QB.

AJ is the goods and I'm glad he can do this and get ready for camp in August but I don't think he needs to do much in preseason.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

What's sexy or trendy about a guy who has 163 receptions, 2,000 yds receiving, and 13 TDs in 25 games over the past 2 seasons? Find the number of WR who have better numbers or catches on a per game basis...the list is very short I promise you. AJ is only 26, this isn't a guy pushing 30.

 

[Chachi]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

What's sexy or trendy about a guy who has 163 receptions, 2,000 yds receiving, and 13 TDs in 25 games over the past 2 seasons? Find the number of WR who have better numbers or catches on a per game basis...the list is very short I promise you. AJ is only 26, this isn't a guy pushing 30.

You're not following my point at all. The point you just made is clear though and goes to proving my point, the guy has 2000 yards and 13 TDS in two years. So he's good for 1000/6 a year, I'll pass.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

What's sexy or trendy about a guy who has 163 receptions, 2,000 yds receiving, and 13 TDs in 25 games over the past 2 seasons? Find the number of WR who have better numbers or catches on a per game basis...the list is very short I promise you. AJ is only 26, this isn't a guy pushing 30.

You're not following my point at all. The point you just made is clear though and goes to proving my point, the guy has 2000 yards and 13 TDS in two years. So he's good for 1000/6 a year, I'll pass.

1,000 and 6 is fine for a start 3 WR league and his upside is way more than that.granted he is the victim of horrible QB play and injuries.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

What's sexy or trendy about a guy who has 163 receptions, 2,000 yds receiving, and 13 TDs in 25 games over the past 2 seasons? Find the number of WR who have better numbers or catches on a per game basis...the list is very short I promise you. AJ is only 26, this isn't a guy pushing 30.

You're not following my point at all. The point you just made is clear though and goes to proving my point, the guy has 2000 yards and 13 TDS in two years. So he's good for 1000/6 a year, I'll pass.

1,000 and 6 is fine for a start 3 WR league and his upside is way more than that.granted he is the victim of horrible QB play and injuries.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

What's sexy or trendy about a guy who has 163 receptions, 2,000 yds receiving, and 13 TDs in 25 games over the past 2 seasons? Find the number of WR who have better numbers or catches on a per game basis...the list is very short I promise you. AJ is only 26, this isn't a guy pushing 30.

You're not following my point at all. The point you just made is clear though and goes to proving my point, the guy has 2000 yards and 13 TDS in two years. So he's good for 1000/6 a year, I'll pass.

1,000 and 6 is fine for a start 3 WR league and his upside is way more than that.granted he is the victim of horrible QB play and injuries.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

I remember my first year playing fantasy football I drafted Tiki Barber. He scored virtually zero touchdowns, so I passed on him the following season. He ended up blowing up. It's a valuable lesson to not always live in the past and hold guys to whatever they've produced instead of attempting to predict the future.

 

[Chachi]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

I remember my first year playing fantasy football I drafted Tiki Barber. He scored virtually zero touchdowns, so I passed on him the following season. He ended up blowing up. It's a valuable lesson to not always live in the past and hold guys to whatever they've produced instead of attempting to predict the future.

I pretty much agree with what you're saying with two exceptions: 1. Injury history. If I notice a guy seems to always be hurt I tend to frown on it. 2. A guy with personality issues, criminal issues, etc; (Andre is #1 of course and he's not #2 of course)

 

[dudaman]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4326

“I feel good right now,” he said. “The knee didn’t swell up or anything. It has a little bit of swelling, but nothing major. If you looked at my knee, you wouldn’t really even be able to tell anything is wrong with it. Other than that, I am feeling fine, just rehabbing every day, doing what I need to do to get back on the field.”

Did it swell up, or not? Sounds like it did.

 

[JPeso]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4326

“I feel good right now,” he said. “The knee didn’t swell up or anything. It has a little bit of swelling, but nothing major. If you looked at my knee, you wouldn’t really even be able to tell anything is wrong with it. Other than that, I am feeling fine, just rehabbing every day, doing what I need to do to get back on the field.”

Did it swell up, or not? Sounds like it did.

Sounds like he was conditioned to say it didn't swell up, only to fold. Unfortunately for him, he folded the very next sentence.

 

[fourd]

Game Logs for 2007...Wk 1: 7/142/TDWk 2: 7/120/2 TDs...he was injured in this gameWk 11: 6/120/TDWk 12: 3/37Wk 13: 9/116/TDWk 14: 9/82/TDWk 15: 6/86/TDWk 16: 7/74/TDWk 17: 6/74He posted 60/850/8 TD in basically a half a year and coming back from injury...He easily would have posted 100 receptions, about 1,400+ yds, and 12+ TDs..those are as good if not better than T.Owens. This guy is top3-5 as long as he is healthy...he had 100+ catches in 2006 with David Carr throwing it and I think we all agree that Schaub(injury problems too) is a huge upgrade at QB. AJ is the goods and I'm glad he can do this and get ready for camp in August but I don't think he needs to do much in preseason.

At what point, when healthy, does someone have to actually put up top 3-5 numbers to live up to his "potential"?

 

[AnonymousBob]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

I remember my first year playing fantasy football I drafted Tiki Barber. He scored virtually zero touchdowns, so I passed on him the following season. He ended up blowing up. It's a valuable lesson to not always live in the past and hold guys to whatever they've produced instead of attempting to predict the future.

I pretty much agree with what you're saying with two exceptions: 1. Injury history. If I notice a guy seems to always be hurt I tend to frown on it. 2. A guy with personality issues, criminal issues, etc; (Andre is #1 of course and he's not #2 of course)

He's played 5 seasons. He's missed a total of ten games and 7 of those missed games came last season. He's played all 16 games 3 out of his five years.He's averaged 960 yards per season and 68+ yards per game. Two years ago he led the league in YAC so he has major talent. I won't rank him as a top five guy but imo he certainly has the potential to get there. In some leagues he'll go too high - in other leagues he'll go as late as mid-teens which I believe is some tremendous value. He may get hurt but if he does it's not as though you have to keep him in there and get a goose egg. Simply grab a ww guy and plug him in for the two or so weeks AJ misses.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I used to draft the "sexy" players years ago like McGahee and Fred Taylor over the producers like Tiki Barber. I drafted Tiki finally in his final year and rode him to a title. I learned my lesson about taking producers and have been winning alot more since I starting avoiding the "Sexy, trendy" picks and take the guys who get the real numbers that count. It's a valuable lesson that I'm sure most everyone learns eventually, lucky for me there is always new blood in fantasy football who won't learn for a while as I pile up the trophies and cash. The great thing about FBG ranking a guy like Andre so high is he'll be taken so high in all my leagues...

What's sexy or trendy about a guy who has 163 receptions, 2,000 yds receiving, and 13 TDs in 25 games over the past 2 seasons? Find the number of WR who have better numbers or catches on a per game basis...the list is very short I promise you. AJ is only 26, this isn't a guy pushing 30.

You're not following my point at all. The point you just made is clear though and goes to proving my point, the guy has 2000 yards and 13 TDS in two years. So he's good for 1000/6 a year, I'll pass.

C'mon dude, you're really gonna skew the numbers that way. Good luck in the fall.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Game Logs for 2007...Wk 1: 7/142/TDWk 2: 7/120/2 TDs...he was injured in this gameWk 11: 6/120/TDWk 12: 3/37Wk 13: 9/116/TDWk 14: 9/82/TDWk 15: 6/86/TDWk 16: 7/74/TDWk 17: 6/74He posted 60/850/8 TD in basically a half a year and coming back from injury...He easily would have posted 100 receptions, about 1,400+ yds, and 12+ TDs..those are as good if not better than T.Owens. This guy is top3-5 as long as he is healthy...he had 100+ catches in 2006 with David Carr throwing it and I think we all agree that Schaub(injury problems too) is a huge upgrade at QB. AJ is the goods and I'm glad he can do this and get ready for camp in August but I don't think he needs to do much in preseason.

At what point, when healthy, does someone have to actually put up top 3-5 numbers to live up to his "potential"?

The 2nd half of last season...who was leaps and bounds better than AJ not named Randy Moss or TO? I can think of very few WR I would prefer.

 

[AnonymousBob]

At what point, when healthy, does someone have to actually put up top 3-5 numbers to live up to his "potential"?

He was the #3 wr on a ppg basis last season. When he was hurt I imagine most owners filled his spot with an adequate replacement. When he was in he was a stud...and we're not talking a one game fluke - he played 9 games and was behind only Randy Moss and TO.