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Oh, absolutely. I'm trying to pry him from his owner in my league in exchange for Felix Jones and either S. Holmes or V. Jackson.
You're gunna need a bigger crowbar...
One "drop" was a reasonably catchable over the shoulder, full extension, at full speed, that bounced off his hands. Would have been a good catch, but you expect AJ to make that one pretty regularly.The other "drop" was a leaping in the corner of the endzone with a DB right there. It would have been a great catch. I wouldn't have classified that as a drop.Schaub looked tentative and was late delivering the ball. He wasn't terribly accurate, making the receivers adjust on many throws.AJ looks healthy, and was open on several looks, and the ball wasn't delivered well. He'll be fine. I haven't seen enough Rosenfels to comment if that is an upgrade or not. His body of work is pretty limited. I get the sense there's a bit of "backup syndrome" going around with the Schaub/Rosenfels discussions now.Polish Hammer said:
I agree with this... but I would also say that there are plenty of owners who are willing to listen to offers for AJ that prior to now were not, especially if they are 0-3 or 1-2. I think Santonio Holmes plus a better package than a VD/Felix could pry AJ away (just have to look at the AJ owners needs).There are plenty of owners who would not trade him for all three of those guys.
Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.There are plenty of owners who would not trade him for all three of those guys.
Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
"All this time" = 3 weeks. And silly me for thinking Felix Jones isn't starting.Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
or Holmes....remind me again how many 1,000 yard seasons AJ has under his belt after five years in the league?Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
Two, and also had 976 his rookie year, and had 851 in just 9 games last year(which would have put him around 1500 over a full season). All this with David Carr as his QB for all but one season.or Holmes....remind me again how many 1,000 yard seasons AJ has under his belt after five years in the league?Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.There are plenty of owners who would not trade him for all three of those guys.
Jones is definately talented, but he is not a RB2 unless you play in a 16+ team league, much less a RB1....unless Barber gets hurt.
so basically two good seasons in an otherwise injury-prone and unsuccessful career. Thanks, just wanted to make sure I got that right. Also, who does he have at QB now? Mmkay, thanks.Two, and also had 976 his rookie year, and had 851 in just 9 games last year(which would have put him around 1500 over a full season). All this with David Carr as his QB for all but one season.or Holmes....remind me again how many 1,000 yard seasons AJ has under his belt after five years in the league?Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
Keep us posted on your brilliant trade plans.so basically two good seasons in an otherwise injury-prone and unsuccessful career. Thanks, just wanted to make sure I got that right. Also, who does he have at QB now? Mmkay, thanks.Two, and also had 976 his rookie year, and had 851 in just 9 games last year(which would have put him around 1500 over a full season). All this with David Carr as his QB for all but one season.or Holmes....remind me again how many 1,000 yard seasons AJ has under his belt after five years in the league?Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
How many 1,000 yard seasons does Santonio have? 0? so by your definition Holmes has 0 good seasons in his career.so basically two good seasons in an otherwise injury-prone and unsuccessful career. Thanks, just wanted to make sure I got that right. Also, who does he have at QB now? Mmkay, thanks.Two, and also had 976 his rookie year, and had 851 in just 9 games last year(which would have put him around 1500 over a full season). All this with David Carr as his QB for all but one season.or Holmes....remind me again how many 1,000 yard seasons AJ has under his belt after five years in the league?Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.There are plenty of owners who would not trade him for all three of those guys.
He's a legit starter in my 12-team league at RB2 because of his big-play ability and his return yardage. Given the proliferation of RBBCs, I'd take Felix Jones over many other players even though he might have fewer touches because of the offensive line he plays behind. He's currently 12th in points in my league despite only getting 18 carries, and he's scored a rushing TD in two out of three games. I'd start him every week if I didn't have AD and CJ3.
Is it really necessary for you to crap all over this thread? Sorry to burst your bubble of self-importance, but no one cares what you think about what one person offers another in some far away league. The only opinion that matters is the opinion of the offeree.Keep us posted on your brilliant trade plans.
why are you even in this thread? isn't this an andre johnson discussion and not an andre johnson bashing discussion? go elsewhere for your cute but not clever putdowns.
That's YOUR league. Many leagues don't count return yardage due to the fact that 20 yards of every kickoff return is basically "free yardage". If you try to make a ridiculous blanket statement like "Felix Jones is a RB2 at this point", expect a little backlash.He's a backup, and while he's very valuable in dynasty leagues, in his CURRENT SITUATION, he's nowhere near a RB2 in leagues that don't count return yardage.He's a legit starter in my 12-team league at RB2 because of his big-play ability and his return yardage. Given the proliferation of RBBCs, I'd take Felix Jones over many other players even though he might have fewer touches because of the offensive line he plays behind. He's currently 12th in points in my league despite only getting 18 carries, and he's scored a rushing TD in two out of three games. I'd start him every week if I didn't have AD and CJ3.
thank you for making an andre johnson owner feel a little better about plugging him into the lineup again.Based on that, you should also avoid Fitzgerald, who has only had two 1000 yard seasons in four years. Braylon Edwards has only had one in three years. Anquan Boldin has only had three in five yaers, and Calvin Johnson has never had one. Randy Moss has only had two in the last four years. Greg Jennings and Santonio Holmes have yet to have one.Hopefully for you Wayne, Steve Smith or Colston are available, because they appear to be the only good WR's in the whole league.so basically two good seasons in an otherwise injury-prone and unsuccessful career. Thanks, just wanted to make sure I got that right. Also, who does he have at QB now? Mmkay, thanks.Two, and also had 976 his rookie year, and had 851 in just 9 games last year(which would have put him around 1500 over a full season). All this with David Carr as his QB for all but one season.or Holmes....remind me again how many 1,000 yard seasons AJ has under his belt after five years in the league?Silly me, all this time thinking Felix Jones is any good.....Oh, well then, that's different because after the trade they'd be extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.Sure, but those owners probably aren't extremely thin at RB and strong at receiver.
Target leaders. As far as I can quickly discern only Marshall and AJ have played two games. All others have played three.
There are plenty of owners who would not trade him for all three of those guys.Dwayne Bowe 34Calvin Johnson 32Brandon Marshall 31Reggie Wayne 31Santana Moss 29Antonio Bryant 29Wes Welker 28T.J. Houshmandzadeh 28Plaxico Burress 28Muhsin Muhammad 27Amani Toomer 26Eddie Royal 25Greg Jennings 25Marvin Harrison 25DeSean Jackson 25Braylon Edwards 25Larry Fitzgerald 25Andre Johnson 24Anthony Gonzalez 24Matt Jones 24Speaking of crapping, all you have to offer is your own hairbrained offer that wasn't even a completed trade that would actually given an indication of value. You gave us one side of a proposed deal. Gee, thanks for telling us about your team.Is it really necessary for you to crap all over this thread? Sorry to burst your bubble of self-importance, but no one cares what you think about what one person offers another in some far away league. The only opinion that matters is the opinion of the offeree.Keep us posted on your brilliant trade plans.
Also, the QB "controversy" in Houston can be used to take advantage of a frustrated AJ owner. Schaub hasn't played very well yet and he's not clicking with AJ, but I expect that to change soon, especially once the Texans get through this brutal opening trio of games and finally kickoff at home. Get him before he goes off on a tear for that four-game stretch in Houston (vs. Indy, Mia, Det, Cin).AJ at home: 35 games 206 rec 2732 yds 78.1 ypg 15 TDsAJ on the road: 37 games 177 rec 2213 yds 59.8 ypg 10 TDsAnyway, back to AJ's prospects. He has 24 targets in two games. The only player in the league who is averaging more than that is Brandon Marshall, IIRC, with 31 targets in his two games. He's getting his targets, so I'm concluding in the long haul he'll get his numbers. One bad game.
good move - i think that deal could pay off for you.
His 11 starts over the past two years have yielded the following points in standard scoring..2008
Where does McClain rank in your league with only 2 games? Is he weekly starter?He's a legit starter in my 12-team league at RB2 because of his big-play ability and his return yardage. Given the proliferation of RBBCs, I'd take Felix Jones over many other players even though he might have fewer touches because of the offensive line he plays behind. He's currently 12th in points in my league despite only getting 18 carries, and he's scored a rushing TD in two out of three games. I'd start him every week if I didn't have AD and CJ3.
did you at least buy him dinner first?
<thread hijack apology>What a ridiculous comparison. Was LeRon McClain a first-round draft pick? Does he inspire boners from the Ravens owner the way Felix Jones does Jerrah? Does he play behind Dallas's offensive line? Does he have the same caliber of weapons around him that Felix has? Felix Jones is producing big numbers despite getting very few touches. Yes, Marion is playing exceptionally well, but the Cowboys aren't going to continue to give him 25-30 touches a game when they have a stud rookie to help ease the load. Felix Jones will certainly get more touches as the season goes on, so his value only goes up. You don't have to be a Felix owner to realize this, you just need a lick of sense.</thread hijack apology>Where does McClain rank in your league with only 2 games? Is he weekly starter?He's a legit starter in my 12-team league at RB2 because of his big-play ability and his return yardage. Given the proliferation of RBBCs, I'd take Felix Jones over many other players even though he might have fewer touches because of the offensive line he plays behind. He's currently 12th in points in my league despite only getting 18 carries, and he's scored a rushing TD in two out of three games. I'd start him every week if I didn't have AD and CJ3.Jones is definately talented, but he is not a RB2 unless you play in a 16+ team league, much less a RB1....unless Barber gets hurt.
Note to rookies .. the only way you will make it in the NFL is if you are a 1st round pick and fans get boners watching you play a few downs. And by the way, if you are a 1st round pick and fans get boners watching you play a few downs, you are guaranteed to be succesful.<thread hijack apology>What a ridiculous comparison. Was LeRon McClain a first-round draft pick? Does he inspire boners from the Ravens owner the way Felix Jones does Jerrah? Does he play behind Dallas's offensive line? Does he have the same caliber of weapons around him that Felix has? Felix Jones is producing big numbers despite getting very few touches. Yes, Marion is playing exceptionally well, but the Cowboys aren't going to continue to give him 25-30 touches a game when they have a stud rookie to help ease the load. Felix Jones will certainly get more touches as the season goes on, so his value only goes up. You don't have to be a Felix owner to realize this, you just need a lick of sense.</thread hijack apology>Where does McClain rank in your league with only 2 games? Is he weekly starter?He's a legit starter in my 12-team league at RB2 because of his big-play ability and his return yardage. Given the proliferation of RBBCs, I'd take Felix Jones over many other players even though he might have fewer touches because of the offensive line he plays behind. He's currently 12th in points in my league despite only getting 18 carries, and he's scored a rushing TD in two out of three games. I'd start him every week if I didn't have AD and CJ3.Jones is definately talented, but he is not a RB2 unless you play in a 16+ team league, much less a RB1....unless Barber gets hurt.
I'm talking about where he ends up ranked at the end of the year, which is generally outside of the top 10 WRs. Yes, he plays alright when he is in, but combine the inconsistency of any WR with the fact that he misses some games each year and to me that doesn't warrant trusting him to be a #1 WR. Obviously he is a great #2 WR, but it would be very hard to get him as such.In my league, he had the following rankings:
he missed most of camp, had the early bye week game b/c of the hurricane. so he's really not in any groove just yet..he did well a few weeks ago...but the Jags might be just the thing that the doctor ordered for AJ, he should grab about 8-10 balls and 1-2 TDS on Sunday, good for over 100 yards!
