Andy D's 2nd annual Super-Mega, 3 Round, Post-Combine, (1 Viewer)

[scrumptrulescent]

3rd Round66. Kansas City - Mario Manningham, WR - Michigan

If this happens, Kansas City has received a gift. If he falls that far the Packers may even take him in the 2nd round. Too much value. The combine does not erase his years at Michigan. The guy has great hands, is smooth as silk, and flat out produces. Match him up with Dwayne Bowe and KC's in great shape. After what some might believe to be a bit of a reach with their 1st rounder, the Chiefs have gotten 2 of the biggest value picks since then.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?

Thats precisely the point. There have been a number of comments coming out of Valley Ranch indicating that Barber is the profile they want. They have speed guys who can run (Tyson Thompson anyone?). But they really value backs who can pass protect, as well as run inside, outside and catch. Its a lot easier to do that at 230 than 200.

Then draft one of Owen Schmitt, Peyton Hillis, or Jacob Hester.Cowboys =

 

[Andy Dufresne]

By the way, I think the Browns got more value out of their draft picks in the trades they made than if they'd have used them on college prospects.

I like those moves.

 

[Ridgelake]

If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?

Thats precisely the point. There have been a number of comments coming out of Valley Ranch indicating that Barber is the profile they want. They have speed guys who can run (Tyson Thompson anyone?). But they really value backs who can pass protect, as well as run inside, outside and catch. Its a lot easier to do that at 230 than 200.

Then draft one of Owen Schmitt, Peyton Hillis, or Jacob Hester.Cowboys =

Andy, I'm not saying that I fully agree with what Dallas is indicating. I'm merely trying to relay what my understanding of their intentions is. I'm not going to pretend that I know that much about the prospects. But I do follow comments coming out of Valley Ranch pretty closely.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?

Thats precisely the point. There have been a number of comments coming out of Valley Ranch indicating that Barber is the profile they want. They have speed guys who can run (Tyson Thompson anyone?). But they really value backs who can pass protect, as well as run inside, outside and catch. Its a lot easier to do that at 230 than 200.

Then draft one of Owen Schmitt, Peyton Hillis, or Jacob Hester.Cowboys =

Andy, I'm not saying that I fully agree with what Dallas is indicating. I'm merely trying to relay what my understanding of their intentions is. I'm not going to pretend that I know that much about the prospects. But I do follow comments coming out of Valley Ranch pretty closely.

My bad. I wasn't saying you were , just that Jerry and Co. are.But then we all knew that.

 

[EBF]

My gripes:

1. I think you're too low on Jackson, Kelly, and Hardy. I view all of them as solid first round prospects on par with most of the guys who have gone 15-30 in the last few years. IMO, Kelly and Hardy are both better versions of Sweed. Jackson is still a dangerous player despite his slight frame. I think you're weighing one variable too heavy without considering his receiving skills, return skills, and 4.3 speed. He will be coveted by NFL teams.

2. Chris Johnson seems to have gained a lot of steam and may even be the 4th RB taken when all is said and done. I'll be surprised if he falls far as you have him falling.

 

[Chaos Commish]

If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?

Thats precisely the point. There have been a number of comments coming out of Valley Ranch indicating that Barber is the profile they want. They have speed guys who can run (Tyson Thompson anyone?). But they really value backs who can pass protect, as well as run inside, outside and catch. Its a lot easier to do that at 230 than 200.

Then draft one of Owen Schmitt, Peyton Hillis, or Jacob Hester.Cowboys =

You think those three are like Barber?Dallas is loco?Would San Diego like to find someone like Toomlinson or another Turner?How about Minny? You want two ADs or just him and Chester? When well meaning constructive criticism makes you nonsensical and reactionary, you should probably get some fresh air. Ridge and I are just trying to help and you seem very defensive. I thought the point of these was to seek input from team homers, so I jumped in. After what us two diehard Boys fans have explained, you still like the way you fell in line with groupthink here?Very common comments in support of your picks.Stewart to Seattle because he's from the area.Jones to Dallas because of the Arkansas connection. It's just too easy. This cute stuff almost never happens on day one. Day two sometimes. I do have Sweed to the Titans though.

 

[Chaos Commish]

My gripes:1. I think you're too low on Jackson, Kelly, and Hardy. I view all of them as solid first round prospects on par with most of the guys who have gone 15-30 in the last few years. IMO, Kelly and Hardy are both better versions of Sweed. Jackson is still a dangerous player despite his slight frame. I think you're weighing one variable too heavy without considering his receiving skills, return skills, and 4.3 speed. He will be coveted by NFL teams. 2. Chris Johnson seems to have gained a lot of steam and may even be the 4th RB taken when all is said and done. I'll be surprised if he falls far as you have him falling.

Agreed.

 

[s_ezy]

By the way, I think the Browns got more value out of their draft picks in the trades they made than if they'd have used them on college prospects.I like those moves.

i like the comments on the browns i like the draft overall, still not in total agreement on pick #1, but it takes some to put yourself out there like this and i respect that.keep up the good work and thanks andy

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Cowboys didn't have Barber it would make more sense, but the two are so similar in style I say what's the point of Stewart?

Thats precisely the point. There have been a number of comments coming out of Valley Ranch indicating that Barber is the profile they want. They have speed guys who can run (Tyson Thompson anyone?). But they really value backs who can pass protect, as well as run inside, outside and catch. Its a lot easier to do that at 230 than 200.

Then draft one of Owen Schmitt, Peyton Hillis, or Jacob Hester.Cowboys =

You think those three are like Barber?

Not really I'm just saying that drafting another guy that's just like the one you have when you have other needs is loco.

Dallas is loco?

Most of the city, yes.

Would San Diego like to find someone like Toomlinson or another Turner?

How about Minny? You want two ADs or just him and Chester?

If it's at the expense of improving the other areas of the team, no I don't want two AD's.

When well meaning constructive criticism makes you nonsensical and reactionary, you should probably get some fresh air.

Ridge and I are just trying to help and you seem very defensive. I thought the point of these was to seek input from team homers, so I jumped in. After what us two diehard Boys fans have explained, you still like the way you fell in line with groupthink here?

Like I was trynig to clarify, I'm not jumping on Ridgelake. I'm just saying that I throw my hands in the air like everyone else and honestly, the Cowboys bore me. I did put Jones to the 'Boys simply because I didn't really want to think about it more than that.

Stewart to Seattle because he's from the area.

I've had Stewart to Seattle since about the end of September. I can find the link if you want. It's not because he's from the area but because he's a superior back that fits te mold they seem to favor in Seattle.

Jones to Dallas because of the Arkansas connection.

No. It's because he's pretty good and seems the type of guy that they wish Julius Jones was.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Some thoughts :

Dorsey drops to #9? Cincinnati would be tripping over themselves to get the card up there. I can't see him falling that far - you really think Atlanta would go with Ellis over him? LOVE the Jenkins to NE pick. I see Jenkins projected low-1st in most mocks, but I think he's the best CB in this draft. Lawrence Jackson at #26 surprises me (pleasantly) - I got him for the Steelers at #53 in the "Shark Pool" mock, which I thought was highway robbery, but I haven't seen him rated this high in any other mocks. I like the guy a lot.

As far as the Pittsburgh picks go, I have to admit to being relatively unfamiliar with Albert, whom I've seen projected to the Steelers in 80% of the mocks I've seen. Do you think he projects to either T or G? I think tackle is actually more of a need than guard, especially if Max Starks is not retained. I still have hopes for Kemoeatu, and I actually think Willie Colon is better suited to play G rather than T. I would think in this mock that Cherilus might be a better fit for the Steelers - he could possibly start day 1 opposite Marvel, with Kemo and Colon at G. They need a C badly too, although I know there's no chance of seeing a C drafted in round 1. Tell me more about Albert, if you would.

LOVE the Dre Moore round 2 pick. I think the dude is a stud in the making, and would absolutely love to see him in black and gold. I think 3-4 end is likely his best fit and he'd be a terrific bookend to Aaron Smith.

Avery in round 3 surprised me because he's very similar, IMO, to Santonio Holmes. They do need a kick returner with GL to GL potential though, despite the Mewelde Moore signing, and Avery has freakish speed. However, at least until Hines retires, their weakest point on the WR corps is the slot (Cedrick Wilson just isn't the guy, IMO) and Avery doesn't seem to be well-suited to that role. Were you prokecting this more as a depth/developmental selection? If so, I like it. I love home-run type guys, especially in the mid-late rounds, so I wouldn't be disappointed with that pick at all.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Some thoughts orsey drops to #9? Cincinnati would be tripping over themselves to get the card up there. I can't see him falling that far - you really think Atlanta would go with Ellis over him?

With the #3 pick, I would take the guy without the injury concerns and nearly as good (if not better) physical skill

As far as the Pittsburgh picks go, I have to admit to being relatively unfamiliar with Albert, whom I've seen projected to the Steelers in 80% of the mocks I've seen. Do you think he projects to either T or G? I think tackle is actually more of a need than guard, especially if Max Starks is not retained. I still have hopes for Kemoeatu, and I actually think Willie Colon is better suited to play G rather than T. I would think in this mock that Cherilus might be a better fit for the Steelers - he could possibly start day 1 opposite Marvel, with Kemo and Colon at G. They need a C badly too, although I know there's no chance of seeing a C drafted in round 1. Tell me more about Albert, if you would.Avery in round 3 surprised me because he's very similar, IMO, to Santonio Holmes. They do need a kick returner with GL to GL potential though, despite the Mewelde Moore signing, and Avery has freakish speed. However, at least until Hines retires, their weakest point on the WR corps is the slot (Cedrick Wilson just isn't the guy, IMO) and Avery doesn't seem to be well-suited to that role. Were you prokecting this more as a depth/developmental selection? If so, I like it. I love home-run type guys, especially in the mid-late rounds, so I wouldn't be disappointed with that pick at all.

Honestly, the Albert selection was a copycat pick. From what I can tell, he could play either G or T, but would probably start right away at guard. Chrerilus was a consideration. Regardless of the specific player, I have to think the first rounder is used on the o-line.I had thought about giving them a center instead of Avery. Avery is a depth selection that would help right away on special teams.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Where do you think Owen Schmitt gets drafted? I would LOVE to see him in a Steelers uni - I think he belongs in Pittsburgh.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Where do you think Owen Schmitt gets drafted? I would LOVE to see him in a Steelers uni - I think he belongs in Pittsburgh.

Fullbacks get no love in the NFL these days. I don't know why. Who even uses one anymore (other than SD obviously)?As talented and hard charging as he is, it's difficult for me to see him going before the fourth round.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Where do you think Owen Schmitt gets drafted? I would LOVE to see him in a Steelers uni - I think he belongs in Pittsburgh.

Fullbacks get no love in the NFL these days. I don't know why. Who even uses one anymore (other than SD obviously)?As talented and hard charging as he is, it's difficult for me to see him going before the fourth round.

If he's still there when Pittsburgh selects in round 4, they had better take him. I know FB is a forgotten position, but aside from being a devastating blocker, I think Schmitt would instantly become one of the best (if not the best) short-yardage back in the NFL from the minute he sets foot on the field, and actually has the speed and hands to play TE (the Steelers would only use him as such in a 3-TE set, which they actually do run, and with Tuman being cut, I'd take Schmitt over Jon Dekker to play behind Miller and Spaeth in a second.)

 

[Foosball God]

No defensive line help in the first three rounds and only one offensive line pick? Detroit has many holes but I think you're giving them too many LB.

 

[msommer]

Where do you think Owen Schmitt gets drafted? I would LOVE to see him in a Steelers uni - I think he belongs in Pittsburgh.

Fullbacks get no love in the NFL these days. I don't know why. Who even uses one anymore (other than SD obviously)?As talented and hard charging as he is, it's difficult for me to see him going before the fourth round.

Apparently the Jets- they just payed for the use of Tony Richardsons services

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No defensive line help in the first three rounds and only one offensive line pick? Detroit has many holes but I think you're giving them too many LB.

But the LB talent in round 3 is far better than the d-line talent, at least in this mock.A trio of Sims/Mayo/Lofton would be fun.

 

[Ridgelake]

Like I was trynig to clarify, I'm not jumping on Ridgelake. I'm just saying that I throw my hands in the air like everyone else and honestly, the Cowboys bore me. I did put Jones to the 'Boys simply because I didn't really want to think about it more than that.

Andy, no worries. I didnt feel like you were jumping on me at all. I could tell you were frustrated about the Cowboy situation. I don't blame you for that. They have some unusual ways of doing business. But I feel its part of my job here to help people understand a bit better what their thinking appears to be. There's no way to be on top of how 32 organizations do business. Thats why homer input is so valuable.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Like I was trynig to clarify, I'm not jumping on Ridgelake. I'm just saying that I throw my hands in the air like everyone else and honestly, the Cowboys bore me. I did put Jones to the 'Boys simply because I didn't really want to think about it more than that.

Andy, no worries. I didnt feel like you were jumping on me at all. I could tell you were frustrated about the Cowboy situation. I don't blame you for that. They have some unusual ways of doing business. But I feel its part of my job here to help people understand a bit better what their thinking appears to be. There's no way to be on top of how 32 organizations do business. Thats why homer input is so valuable.

And I do appreciate it.

 

[eric rymer]

91. Green Bay - Patrick Lee, CB - Auburn

92. Dallas - Marcus Harrison, DT - Arkansas

93. Indianapolis - Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech

Watch out for Eddie Royal.

He has ridiculous speed. He plays faster than his times would show.

Always got to be aware of a WR in Indy!!!

Just another tidbit I just read off Rotoworld. Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech WR: Whenever a 180 lb wide receiver posts the most reps on bench by any wideout, it will surely garner some attention. With 24 reps in the weight room and a 4.39 40 on the field, Royal has really impressed scouts. I think that he has the potential to go as high as the 2nd Round, with the 3rd being a more likely option.

LINK

24 reps and a 4.39 40 is just sick

 

[Mungo Burrows]

By the way, I think the Browns got more value out of their draft picks in the trades they made than if they'd have used them on college prospects.I like those moves.

Is this just looking at the players, or are you considering the cost in terms of cash and cap space as well?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Like I was trynig to clarify, I'm not jumping on Ridgelake. I'm just saying that I throw my hands in the air like everyone else and honestly, the Cowboys bore me. I did put Jones to the 'Boys simply because I didn't really want to think about it more than that.

Andy, no worries. I didnt feel like you were jumping on me at all. I could tell you were frustrated about the Cowboy situation. I don't blame you for that. They have some unusual ways of doing business. But I feel its part of my job here to help people understand a bit better what their thinking appears to be. There's no way to be on top of how 32 organizations do business. Thats why homer input is so valuable.

And I do appreciate it.

Meh, if you truly appreciated it you would be making the requisite changes! We could go in circles with your thinking on having two similar backs so let's not.

Dallas is about as exciting as it gets for a draft day NFL team right now. They are so close, yet held together with tape in some places, using smoke and mirrors in others. The right double move on draft day is all it takes to put them over the top. For me it is very suspenseful to see how they handle it, and I would feel the same (not as intense but the same) for any team in their position.

Anyway, I know what a daunting task this can be. I'm not doing any more extensive commentary driven mocks. They are never accurate, way to complex, the effort is under-appreciated with whiners like me around, and the pay is low. But you did a great job with this. I finally got to read the thread. Nice work. A little too defensive, but nice work!

 

[EBF]

Dallas is about as exciting as it gets for a draft day NFL team right now. They are so close, yet held together with tape in some places, using smoke and mirrors in others. The right double move on draft day is all it takes to put them over the top. For me it is very suspenseful to see how they handle it, and I would feel the same (not as intense but the same) for any team in their position.

That logic has me thinking Felix Jones to Dallas is unlikely. A change of pace back in the first round is a huge luxury considering that Johnson and Charles might be there in the 2nd and Slaton might be there in the 3rd. This team has to try to find a STARTER with each of its first round picks.

 

[eric rymer]

By the way, I think the Browns got more value out of their draft picks in the trades they made than if they'd have used them on college prospects.I like those moves.

Is this just looking at the players, or are you considering the cost in terms of cash and cap space as well?

I would say all of the above. 1st Rnd - essentially this = Quinn. if he were available in the draft, no way he falls to 22. He could very easily be going in Ryan's slot IMO. Better contract from a money standpoint for the Browns as well in that slot.2nd Rnd - Corey williams...ready to play right now and can play DE/DT in the 3-43rd Rnd - Shaun Rogers. Pro bowl type talent in the 3rd. dealt a CB that was planning on a big payday in the very near future.Quinn is a great insurance policy if DA regresses, and to get two immediate starters on the D-line that don't need grooming is a plus as well. As a fan I don't mind giving up the picks knowing that we are in a much better position on the D-line and some depth at QB. Yeah there are lots of questions on Rogers. Hopefully we'll have those answers on week 1.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Meh, if you truly appreciated it you would be making the requisite changes!

Pffft. No way am I going to go back and redo everything just to take Jones out of the Cowboys pick. Twist my arm and I'd put a WR like Kelly there or a corner like Talib.

By the way, I think the Browns got more value out of their draft picks in the trades they made than if they'd have used them on college prospects.I like those moves.

Is this just looking at the players, or are you considering the cost in terms of cash and cap space as well?

I would say all of the above. 1st Rnd - essentially this = Quinn. if he were available in the draft, no way he falls to 22. He could very easily be going in Ryan's slot IMO. Better contract from a money standpoint for the Browns as well in that slot.2nd Rnd - Corey williams...ready to play right now and can play DE/DT in the 3-43rd Rnd - Shaun Rogers. Pro bowl type talent in the 3rd. dealt a CB that was planning on a big payday in the very near future.Quinn is a great insurance policy if DA regresses, and to get two immediate starters on the D-line that don't need grooming is a plus as well. As a fan I don't mind giving up the picks knowing that we are in a much better position on the D-line and some depth at QB. Yeah there are lots of questions on Rogers. Hopefully we'll have those answers on week 1.

What he said. Both players are under 30 and I think Rogers' attitude problem has more to do with the Lions organization than it does a lack of desire to be good.

 

[B Maverick]

90. Chicago (from San Diego) - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky

March 7, 2008, 09:38

Bears :: QB

Bears Attend QB Flacco Workout, Not QB Woodson

Brad Biggs, Chicago Sun-Times - [Full Article]

The Chicago Bears were one of about 15 teams attending the pro-day workout of Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco on Thursday, according to agent Joe Linta. If they have any interest in Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson, they're doing a good job of disguising it. Twenty-five teams were represented at Woodson's workout Wednesday in Lexington, and a coach on hand confirmed a report in the Louisville Courier-Journal that the Bears were one of the seven absent.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

90. Chicago (from San Diego) - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky

March 7, 2008, 09:38

Bears :: QB

Bears Attend QB Flacco Workout, Not QB Woodson

Brad Biggs, Chicago Sun-Times - [Full Article]

The Chicago Bears were one of about 15 teams attending the pro-day workout of Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco on Thursday, according to agent Joe Linta. If they have any interest in Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson, they're doing a good job of disguising it. Twenty-five teams were represented at Woodson's workout Wednesday in Lexington, and a coach on hand confirmed a report in the Louisville Courier-Journal that the Bears were one of the seven absent.

Broncos didn't show any interest in Cutler either. I'm just sayin'.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Denver beat writer says Bronco's likely targeting tackle in draft.

And how about this:

Brohm steadily rising again. I wish I'd have had the nads to put him in the top 10 like I'd thought about. Glad to see that the Bucs are considering him like I suspected they may. If Matt Ryan goes #1 overall, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Falcons take Brohm at #3.

When all is said and done, I bet he DOES go top 10.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The Eagles won't be taking a WR with their 1st round pick.

They have Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown signed to long-term deals. Plus Jason Avant really improved last year and will probably see more time as the #3. Hank Baskett makes a fine #4.

The most likely suspects for the first rounder are an OT, S or CB, here's why (it all depends on who falls to the #19):

Both of their OT (Thomas and Runyan) are in the final years of their contracts. They could use Winston Justice at one OT spot (yeah the same guy who gave up 80 sacks to Osi last year in a game). Another option is to slide Herremans out to tackle and use Max Jean at the guard spot. But either of those options still leaves them one starting tackle short. And as an Eagles fan, I'm not thrilled with either of those options.

The Eagles are also very thin at S and CB. Once they trade Lito, their 3d CB will be Joselio Hansen and I couldn't even tell you who their 4th CB would be. That's paper thin at that position. And S is a position of concern. Much like OT, the Eagles will be fine in 2008 but then what. Dawkins is probably playing his final year for the Eagles with no likely replacement. And while I like Quentin Mikell at the other S spot, I can't imagine the Eagles starting the 2009 season with Mikell and Considine at the S spots.

While the Eagles seem determined to add a #1 WR, it won't be with their first rounder.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Eagles won't be taking a WR with their 1st round pick....While the Eagles seem determined to add a #1 WR, it won't be with their first rounder.

The same thing we hear from Eagles' people every year. And it's usually valid. But it's the same thing that Cowboy fans say. "The boys won't take a first round reciever." Oh, except for this year when you don't put a WR in the first for them and they say "I think they're going to take a WR in the first this year." If the Eagles wait until the second to take a WR, they won't be adding a #1.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The Eagles won't be taking a WR with their 1st round pick....While the Eagles seem determined to add a #1 WR, it won't be with their first rounder.

The same thing we hear from Eagles' people every year. And it's usually valid. But it's the same thing that Cowboy fans say. "The boys won't take a first round reciever." Oh, except for this year when you don't put a WR in the first for them and they say "I think they're going to take a WR in the first this year." If the Eagles wait until the second to take a WR, they won't be adding a #1.

They are determined to add a #1 WR through trade not the draft. If they take a WR it will be at the earliest with a 4th rounder, though I have my doubts they will even address the position in the draft. S, OL, CB, DL, TE will all be selected before a WR.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They are determined to add a #1 WR through trade not the draft. If they take a WR it will be at the earliest with a 4th rounder, though I have my doubts they will even address the position in the draft. S, OL, CB, DL, TE will all be selected before a WR.

Do you think they'll be able to pull off a trade for either Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald? Who else would they trade for that could be a #1?I would have said Williams was a decent possibility before the Lions signed Brian Kelly. Between he and Bodden, that should be good enough for the Lions CB position.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They are determined to add a #1 WR through trade not the draft. If they take a WR it will be at the earliest with a 4th rounder, though I have my doubts they will even address the position in the draft. S, OL, CB, DL, TE will all be selected before a WR.

Do you think they'll be able to pull off a trade for either Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald? Who else would they trade for that could be a #1?I would have said Williams was a decent possibility before the Lions signed Brian Kelly. Between he and Bodden, that should be good enough for the Lions CB position.

I don't think that them getting a #1 WR is relevant to who they take in round 1. Whether they get a #1 WR or not, they have more pressing needs at more important positions (OT, S, CB). OT especially.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They are determined to add a #1 WR through trade not the draft. If they take a WR it will be at the earliest with a 4th rounder, though I have my doubts they will even address the position in the draft. S, OL, CB, DL, TE will all be selected before a WR.

Do you think they'll be able to pull off a trade for either Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald? Who else would they trade for that could be a #1?I would have said Williams was a decent possibility before the Lions signed Brian Kelly. Between he and Bodden, that should be good enough for the Lions CB position.

I don't think that them getting a #1 WR is relevant to who they take in round 1. Whether they get a #1 WR or not, they have more pressing needs at more important positions (OT, S, CB). OT especially.

No, I know. I'm just asking if you've heard anything.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They are determined to add a #1 WR through trade not the draft. If they take a WR it will be at the earliest with a 4th rounder, though I have my doubts they will even address the position in the draft. S, OL, CB, DL, TE will all be selected before a WR.

Do you think they'll be able to pull off a trade for either Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald? Who else would they trade for that could be a #1?I would have said Williams was a decent possibility before the Lions signed Brian Kelly. Between he and Bodden, that should be good enough for the Lions CB position.

I don't think that them getting a #1 WR is relevant to who they take in round 1. Whether they get a #1 WR or not, they have more pressing needs at more important positions (OT, S, CB). OT especially.

No, I know. I'm just asking if you've heard anything.

No, I haven't heard anything.

 

[B Maverick]

90. Chicago (from San Diego) - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky

March 7, 2008, 09:38

Bears :: QB

Bears Attend QB Flacco Workout, Not QB Woodson

Brad Biggs, Chicago Sun-Times - [Full Article]

The Chicago Bears were one of about 15 teams attending the pro-day workout of Delaware quarterback Joe Flacco on Thursday, according to agent Joe Linta. If they have any interest in Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson, they're doing a good job of disguising it. Twenty-five teams were represented at Woodson's workout Wednesday in Lexington, and a coach on hand confirmed a report in the Louisville Courier-Journal that the Bears were one of the seven absent.

Broncos didn't show any interest in Cutler either. I'm just sayin'.

oh i know. i just keep seeing more and more that makes it look like Woodson is falling and not the prospect he was mid season.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

As a Cowboys fan, all I can say is :X

If their draft shaked out as:

#22 - Antonie Cason, CB

#28 - Felix Jones, RB

#61 - Justing King, CB

#92 - DJ Hall, WR

When it could be (based on avaiable players):

#22 - Jonathon Stewart, RB

#28 - Aqib Talib, CB

#61 - Mario Manningham, WR

#92 - Tommy Blake, DE/OLB

1 - I am willing to bet that there is about a 99.99% chance that if either Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall are available at #22, they are the pick. You don't pass on top-10 talent to fill a need.

2 - Why would the Cowboys draft two CBs with their first three picks. Newman and Henry are set as the two starters and neither player is old. I agree getting a CB #3 is important, but trying to develop a later round pick or a guy already on the roster as your CB #4 seems smarter than blowing the 61st pick in the draft on one.

3 - I really don't think Felix Jones ends up on this team if it is going to cost them a first round pick. The top three RBs are >>>>>> than the second tier like Jones/Charles/Rice... If McFadden, Stewart and Mendenhall are all gone, the Cowboys will wait until round two or later to snag a back.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As a Cowboys fan, all I can say is If their draft shaked out as:#22 - Antonie Cason, CB#28 - Felix Jones, RB#61 - Justing King, CB#92 - DJ Hall, WRWhen it could be (based on avaiable players):#22 - Jonathon Stewart, RB#28 - Aqib Talib, CB#61 - Mario Manningham, WR#92 - Tommy Blake, DE/OLB

I'd take my set over yours any day of the week.

2 - Why would the Cowboys draft two CBs with their first three picks. Newman and Henry are set as the two starters and neither player is old. I agree getting a CB #3 is important, but trying to develop a later round pick or a guy already on the roster as your CB #4 seems smarter than blowing the 61st pick in the draft on one.

Yours is a lonely voice in saying the Cowboys don't need help at corner.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

As a Cowboys fan, all I can say is If their draft shaked out as:#22 - Antonie Cason, CB#28 - Felix Jones, RB#61 - Justing King, CB#92 - DJ Hall, WRWhen it could be (based on avaiable players):#22 - Jonathon Stewart, RB#28 - Aqib Talib, CB#61 - Mario Manningham, WR#92 - Tommy Blake, DE/OLB

I'd take my set over yours any day of the week.

2 - Why would the Cowboys draft two CBs with their first three picks. Newman and Henry are set as the two starters and neither player is old. I agree getting a CB #3 is important, but trying to develop a later round pick or a guy already on the roster as your CB #4 seems smarter than blowing the 61st pick in the draft on one.

Yours is a lonely voice in saying the Cowboys don't need help at corner.

Okay, fine. You think the picks you made are better, I disagree.I do think you must have misread my original post though, because I don't remember saying that the Cowboys don't need help at CB. If you looked at my mock, you'd see I have them taking Talib at #28.Pick #22 - You put Cason. No problem with Cason; he's a good corner and falls into that second tier pack with guys like Talib, Pat Lee and Reggie Smith. The Cowboys do need help at RB; Barber is great, but his style of play is punishing and he's shown that when given a lot of carries (Giants playoff game), he does wear down. If an elite prospect like Stewart, who has both speed and size were there, I don't think they pass on him to plug the dam at CB. There will be a good CB avaiable at #28; Stewart will not.Pick #28- I DO think they need a CB to play the nickel and step in if Henry or Newman goes down. If they went Stewart at #22, then this is the spot to grab a CB. Cason, Talib, Smith, Lee... whoever is tops on their board. I personally like Talib becasue of the dynamic he adds to the return game. Jones is not a first round RB. Everyone enamors over the Jerry Jones/Alabama connection, but that won't make him reach for a player at a deep position. Jones is unproven and presents about the same upside as second round guys like Charles, Rice and Johnson.Pick #61 - Justin King; really? So now we have Terrance Newman and Anthony Henry to play in the base 3-4; Talib/Cason... to come in the nickel, and we're going to spend a second round pick on another CB to play the dime and/or possibly be bumped up to the nickel if someone gets hurt. You don't think it would be wise to adress other portions of the roster and look at a dime CB a little later (round 4+)? Glenn is probably done, that leaves us with Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR. He's not bad, but if the team could pick up a deep threat (like Manningham) to help stretch the field, wouldn't that be a better investement of this pick?Pick #92 - You could probably take another CB here is one presents value; I went with Blake because of the pass-rush upside he presents. I'm well aware of the "issues" he had this last season, but if the guy can keep his head on straight, he could be a very good player. He really showed well at his pro-day last week. Ware is a monster, and Spencer should be good, but Ellis is old and soon done. Look at the Giants, you can never have speed off the edges.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As a Cowboys fan, all I can say is :X If their draft shaked out as:#22 - Antonie Cason, CB#28 - Felix Jones, RB#61 - Justing King, CB#92 - DJ Hall, WRWhen it could be (based on avaiable players):#22 - Jonathon Stewart, RB#28 - Aqib Talib, CB#61 - Mario Manningham, WR#92 - Tommy Blake, DE/OLB

I'd take my set over yours any day of the week.

2 - Why would the Cowboys draft two CBs with their first three picks. Newman and Henry are set as the two starters and neither player is old. I agree getting a CB #3 is important, but trying to develop a later round pick or a guy already on the roster as your CB #4 seems smarter than blowing the 61st pick in the draft on one.

Yours is a lonely voice in saying the Cowboys don't need help at corner.

Okay, fine. You think the picks you made are better, I disagree.I do think you must have misread my original post though, because I don't remember saying that the Cowboys don't need help at CB. If you looked at my mock, you'd see I have them taking Talib at #28.Pick #22 - You put Cason. No problem with Cason; he's a good corner and falls into that second tier pack with guys like Talib, Pat Lee and Reggie Smith. The Cowboys do need help at RB; Barber is great, but his style of play is punishing and he's shown that when given a lot of carries (Giants playoff game), he does wear down. If an elite prospect like Stewart, who has both speed and size were there, I don't think they pass on him to plug the dam at CB. There will be a good CB avaiable at #28; Stewart will not.Pick #28- I DO think they need a CB to play the nickel and step in if Henry or Newman goes down. If they went Stewart at #22, then this is the spot to grab a CB. Cason, Talib, Smith, Lee... whoever is tops on their board. I personally like Talib becasue of the dynamic he adds to the return game. Jones is not a first round RB. Everyone enamors over the Jerry Jones/Alabama connection, but that won't make him reach for a player at a deep position. Jones is unproven and presents about the same upside as second round guys like Charles, Rice and Johnson.Pick #61 - Justin King; really? So now we have Terrance Newman and Anthony Henry to play in the base 3-4; Talib/Cason... to come in the nickel, and we're going to spend a second round pick on another CB to play the dime and/or possibly be bumped up to the nickel if someone gets hurt. You don't think it would be wise to adress other portions of the roster and look at a dime CB a little later (round 4+)? Glenn is probably done, that leaves us with Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR. He's not bad, but if the team could pick up a deep threat (like Manningham) to help stretch the field, wouldn't that be a better investement of this pick?Pick #92 - You could probably take another CB here is one presents value; I went with Blake because of the pass-rush upside he presents. I'm well aware of the "issues" he had this last season, but if the guy can keep his head on straight, he could be a very good player. He really showed well at his pro-day last week. Ware is a monster, and Spencer should be good, but Ellis is old and soon done. Look at the Giants, you can never have speed off the edges.

Thanks sincerely for the well thought out and reasoned response.No really. I mean it.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Thanks sincerely for the well thought out and reasoned response.No really. I mean it.

These are the best boards I've found for football talk; lot's of good discussion.

 

[Kegs & Eggs]

Hey Andy- With the Jets signing of Chatman, I think there is a good possibility they pass on Dmac. Where do you think he goes now if he slides past 6?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hey Andy- With the Jets signing of Chatman, I think there is a good possibility they pass on Dmac. Where do you think he goes now if he slides past 6?

Well first, I think signing Chatman has nothing to do with whether or not they'd take DM. But if he does get past them, I would think the slide would end at Denver at the latest.Would Cincinnati take a chance given the character stuff (on both sides)? I don't know.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Pick #61 - Justin King; really? So now we have Terrance Newman and Anthony Henry to play in the base 3-4; Talib/Cason... to come in the nickel, and we're going to spend a second round pick on another CB to play the dime and/or possibly be bumped up to the nickel if someone gets hurt. You don't think it would be wise to adress other portions of the roster and look at a dime CB a little later (round 4+)? Glenn is probably done, that leaves us with Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR. He's not bad, but if the team could pick up a deep threat (like Manningham) to help stretch the field, wouldn't that be a better investement of this pick?

The Eagles did this in 2002.They already had Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent.In the 1st they selected Lito Sheppard. Then in the second they selected Sheldon Brown.It's about being proactive rather than reactive.

 

[Ridgelake]

Pick #61 - Justin King; really? So now we have Terrance Newman and Anthony Henry to play in the base 3-4; Talib/Cason... to come in the nickel, and we're going to spend a second round pick on another CB to play the dime and/or possibly be bumped up to the nickel if someone gets hurt. You don't think it would be wise to adress other portions of the roster and look at a dime CB a little later (round 4+)? Glenn is probably done, that leaves us with Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR. He's not bad, but if the team could pick up a deep threat (like Manningham) to help stretch the field, wouldn't that be a better investement of this pick?

The Eagles did this in 2002.They already had Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent.In the 1st they selected Lito Sheppard. Then in the second they selected Sheldon Brown.It's about being proactive rather than reactive.

Of all the positions to draft for quality depth, I'd put CB right at the top of the list of importance. Nickle play and CB depth is what cost the team wins last year. And they lost their #3 and #4 CBs to FA this offseason. Behind the starters, there are only guys with practice squad on their resume. I cannot see how a teams with Super Bowl aspirations can take the risk of being forced into using talent at that level in such a critical position. Especially when the starters are both over 30.

 

[Kegs & Eggs]

Hey Andy- With the Jets signing of Chatman, I think there is a good possibility they pass on Dmac. Where do you think he goes now if he slides past 6?

Well first, I think signing Chatman has nothing to do with whether or not they'd take DM. But if he does get past them, I would think the slide would end at Denver at the latest.Would Cincinnati take a chance given the character stuff (on both sides)? I don't know.

I just meant that with Chatman they have so many bodies at RB that they may shy away from drafting another. I think Skeletor would do back flips to see Dmac sitting at 12.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hey Andy- With the Jets signing of Chatman, I think there is a good possibility they pass on Dmac. Where do you think he goes now if he slides past 6?

Well first, I think signing Chatman has nothing to do with whether or not they'd take DM. But if he does get past them, I would think the slide would end at Denver at the latest.

Would Cincinnati take a chance given the character stuff (on both sides)? I don't know.

I just meant that with Chatman they have so many bodies at RB that they may shy away from drafting another. I think Skeletor would do back flips to see Dmac sitting at 12.

I know. That probably came across as harsher than I intended. I was debating something stupid in the FFA and it probably carried over here.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Pick #61 - Justin King; really? So now we have Terrance Newman and Anthony Henry to play in the base 3-4; Talib/Cason... to come in the nickel, and we're going to spend a second round pick on another CB to play the dime and/or possibly be bumped up to the nickel if someone gets hurt. You don't think it would be wise to adress other portions of the roster and look at a dime CB a little later (round 4+)? Glenn is probably done, that leaves us with Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR. He's not bad, but if the team could pick up a deep threat (like Manningham) to help stretch the field, wouldn't that be a better investement of this pick?

The Eagles did this in 2002.They already had Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent.In the 1st they selected Lito Sheppard. Then in the second they selected Sheldon Brown.It's about being proactive rather than reactive.

If the Cowboys walk out of the first day of the draft with two CBs, then it better be because those players were the best available players at any position at their respective draft slots; not because we need to shore up our CB depth.I do agree that getting a nickel CB on day one is a priority. But heading into the draft with the philosphy of walking out of the first two rounds with two CBs could really end up hurting us in the long run, especially if we leave talent at other positions on the board. RB is a definite need, and a speed receiver wouldn't hurt either.Honestly, I think pick #22 will be a CB; the mock I did has us taking Talib there. I think the top 3 RB (McFadden, Stewart & Mendenhall), as well as the top two WRs (Sweed/Kelly) will be gone. I also expect Jenkins, McKelvin and Cromartie to be off the board. Talib or Cason are probably the teams choice if things shook out that way.At #28 though, look them to go in a different direction unless another DB of ridiculous value falls. I slated them to take DeSean Jackson and wait until round two for a back like Rice/Johnson/Charles.Just in case anyone cares; I'm sure a ton will change between now and the draft:1. Miami Dolphins: Chris Long - DE2. St. Louis Rams: Jake Long - OT3. Atlanta Falcons: Matt Ryan - QB4. Oakland Raiders: Darren McFadden - RB5. Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey - DT6. New York Jets: Vernon Gholston - DE/LB7. New England Patriots: Leodis McKelvin - CB8. Baltimore Ravens: Phillip Merling - DE9. Cincinnati Bengals: Sedrick Ellis - DT10. New Orleans Saints: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie - CB11. Buffalo Bills: Mike Jenkins - CB12. Denver Broncos: Ryan Clady - OT13. Carolina Panthers: Jonathan Stewart - RB14. Chicago Bears: Jeff Otah - OT15. Detroit Lions: Keith Rivers - LB16. Arizona Cardinals: Rashard Mendenhall - RB17. Minnesota Vikings: Derrick Harvey - DE18. Houston Texans: Chris Williams - OT19. Philadelphia Eagles: Limas Sweed - WR20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Kentwan Balmer - DT21. Washington Redskins: Malcolm Kelly - WR22. Dallas Cowboys: Aqib Talib - CB23. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Albert - OL24. Tennessee Titans: Devin Thomas - WR25. Seattle Seahawks: Sam Baker - OT26. Jacksonville Jaguars: Quentin Groves - DE27. San Diego Chargers: Kenny Phillips - FS28. Dallas Cowboys: DeSean Jackson - WR29. San Francisco 49ers: James Hardy - WR30. Green Bay Packers: Brian Brohm - QB31. New England Patriots: NA - NA32. New York Giants: Dan Connor - LB

 

[Snotbubbles]

Pick #61 - Justin King; really? So now we have Terrance Newman and Anthony Henry to play in the base 3-4; Talib/Cason... to come in the nickel, and we're going to spend a second round pick on another CB to play the dime and/or possibly be bumped up to the nickel if someone gets hurt. You don't think it would be wise to adress other portions of the roster and look at a dime CB a little later (round 4+)? Glenn is probably done, that leaves us with Sam Hurd as our 3rd WR. He's not bad, but if the team could pick up a deep threat (like Manningham) to help stretch the field, wouldn't that be a better investement of this pick?

The Eagles did this in 2002.They already had Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent.In the 1st they selected Lito Sheppard. Then in the second they selected Sheldon Brown.It's about being proactive rather than reactive.

If the Cowboys walk out of the first day of the draft with two CBs, then it better be because those players were the best available players at any position at their respective draft slots; not because we need to shore up our CB depth.I do agree that getting a nickel CB on day one is a priority. But heading into the draft with the philosphy of walking out of the first two rounds with two CBs could really end up hurting us in the long run, especially if we leave talent at other positions on the board. RB is a definite need, and a speed receiver wouldn't hurt either.Honestly, I think pick #22 will be a CB; the mock I did has us taking Talib there. I think the top 3 RB (McFadden, Stewart & Mendenhall), as well as the top two WRs (Sweed/Kelly) will be gone. I also expect Jenkins, McKelvin and Cromartie to be off the board. Talib or Cason are probably the teams choice if things shook out that way.At #28 though, look them to go in a different direction unless another DB of ridiculous value falls. I slated them to take DeSean Jackson and wait until round two for a back like Rice/Johnson/Charles.Just in case anyone cares; I'm sure a ton will change between now and the draft:1. Miami Dolphins: Chris Long - DE2. St. Louis Rams: Jake Long - OT3. Atlanta Falcons: Matt Ryan - QB4. Oakland Raiders: Darren McFadden - RB5. Kansas City Chiefs: Glenn Dorsey - DT6. New York Jets: Vernon Gholston - DE/LB7. New England Patriots: Leodis McKelvin - CB8. Baltimore Ravens: Phillip Merling - DE9. Cincinnati Bengals: Sedrick Ellis - DT10. New Orleans Saints: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie - CB11. Buffalo Bills: Mike Jenkins - CB12. Denver Broncos: Ryan Clady - OT13. Carolina Panthers: Jonathan Stewart - RB14. Chicago Bears: Jeff Otah - OT15. Detroit Lions: Keith Rivers - LB16. Arizona Cardinals: Rashard Mendenhall - RB17. Minnesota Vikings: Derrick Harvey - DE18. Houston Texans: Chris Williams - OT19. Philadelphia Eagles: Limas Sweed - WR20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Kentwan Balmer - DT21. Washington Redskins: Malcolm Kelly - WR22. Dallas Cowboys: Aqib Talib - CB23. Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Albert - OL24. Tennessee Titans: Devin Thomas - WR25. Seattle Seahawks: Sam Baker - OT26. Jacksonville Jaguars: Quentin Groves - DE27. San Diego Chargers: Kenny Phillips - FS28. Dallas Cowboys: DeSean Jackson - WR29. San Francisco 49ers: James Hardy - WR30. Green Bay Packers: Brian Brohm - QB31. New England Patriots: NA - NA32. New York Giants: Dan Connor - LB

I'm not gonna even get into the Limas Sweed to Philly pick. Already been through that with AndyD.