Andy D's 2nd annual Super-Mega, 3 Round, Post-Combine, (2 Viewers)

[Chaos Commish]

If the Cowboys walk out of the first day of the draft with two CBs, then it better be because those players were the best available players at any position at their respective draft slots; not because we need to shore up our CB depth.

You're heart's in the right place, but I think you terribly underestimate the value of cornerbacks and the dire situation in Dallas.

Of all the positions to draft for quality depth, I'd put CB right at the top of the list of importance. Nickle play and CB depth is what cost the team wins last year. And they lost their #3 and #4 CBs to FA this offseason. Behind the starters, there are only guys with practice squad on their resume. I cannot see how a teams with Super Bowl aspirations can take the risk of being forced into using talent at that level in such a critical position. Especially when the starters are both over 30.

Larry Allen's, look at four of the top Ds in the NFL last year. I think it's a mistake to think a team only starts two corners. With the proliferation of 3 and 4 wide sets, even 5 wide, most teams see their CB3 as a starter even if us fans and the media don't get it.San Diego started Drayton Florence and Quentin Jammer but Cromartie made the Pro Bowl. Even Paul Oliver and Cletis Gordon saw action and are better than anything in Dallas.New England had Asante Samual, Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay and Brandon Meriweather on the field together constantly, and Meriweather was drafted to play corner. This is the type of talent you need across the secondary. Safeties need much better cover skills than in the past.Tampa Bay had Ronde Barber, Phillip Buchanon, Brian Kelly all on the field together regularly. A converted rookie corner, Tanard Jackson, had a nice year as a cover safety, and Sammy Davis was in the action. All of these are upgrades in Dallas. Pittsburgh had Ike Taylor, Deshea Townsend, Bryant McFadden and William Gay all getting significant minutes. I consider the first three names all starters.On first and ten it's common to have just two corners on the field. After that who knows, but you better have four good ones if you don't want to be taken advantage of. Third down is the most important down in the NFL and that is usually when the nickel and dime package is on the field. The Cowboys are desperate here. They have the #4 passing attack in the league and it is unchanged from last year. A first day receiver is a luxury they cannot afford. If the day one focus does not include two DBs then they just don't get it. Not only do they lack the bare necessities in depth, they have a huge weakness in talent as long as Roy is in coverage. They need to address this first and foremost. When Jacques Reeves becomes a big loss and you're looking at Nathan Jones, Allan Ball and Evan Oglesby, you draft cornerbacks. Btw, Talib gets burned a lot. He's not much for man coverage, lacks fluid hips. Nice ballhawk and playmaker for reacting from a zone, but not my preference this high in this class. However, the situation as it is, if they scout out Talib and like him enough to take him, then I would be happy and not question it.Dallas is exciting draft talk, Andy!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dallas is exciting draft talk, Andy!

It's encouraging to see that you even argue amongst yourselves!

 

[Ridgelake]

The Eagles won't be taking a WR with their 1st round pick....While the Eagles seem determined to add a #1 WR, it won't be with their first rounder.

The same thing we hear from Eagles' people every year. And it's usually valid. But it's the same thing that Cowboy fans say. "The boys won't take a first round reciever." Oh, except for this year when you don't put a WR in the first for them and they say "I think they're going to take a WR in the first this year."

Andy, I'm guessing your comment is directed at me. I'm guilty as charged!Just the way the boards are running, the talent that's available, the comments (team personnel) people have made, and reading between the lines on some things they've (almost) done in the past, I would put WR in the discussion this year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Eagles won't be taking a WR with their 1st round pick.

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While the Eagles seem determined to add a #1 WR, it won't be with their first rounder.

The same thing we hear from Eagles' people every year. And it's usually valid. But it's the same thing that Cowboy fans say. "The boys won't take a first round reciever." Oh, except for this year when you don't put a WR in the first for them and they say "I think they're going to take a WR in the first this year."

Andy, I'm guessing your comment is directed at me. I'm guilty as charged!Just the way the boards are running, the talent that's available, the comments (team personnel) people have made, and reading between the lines on some things they've (almost) done in the past, I would put WR in the discussion this year.

Well. Not just you.

 

[LILB811]

Just wondering if the resigning of Tatum Bell will have any influence on the Lions possibility of taking a running back.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just wondering if the resigning of Tatum Bell will have any influence on the Lions possibility of taking a running back.

That was an interesting signing. Mike Martz didn't like him and he didn't fit that offense. But he probably has SOME value with another regime.If I had to do it over again, I probably wouldn't put Mendenhall at that spot considering the Bell re-signing. But that's given what I think I know about the Lions, not because I think Bell is anything special.

 

[D_House]

Buffalo

Cromartie Rogers, CB

Hardy WR

Rucker TE

Would be very pleased with that. Addresses all the needs, and gets great value.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

17. Minnesota - Derrick Harvey, DE – Florida

47. Minnesota - Chad Henne, QB – Michigan

73. Minnesota (from Denver) - DaJuan Morgan, S - North Carolina State

82. Minnesota - Jermichael Finley, TE - Texas

Harvey seems to be everyone's choice for the Vikings. I still like Calais Campbell better but I'd be happy with any of the top DE prospects with the top pick.

I like Henne but don't see the Vikes going for him. I think they go 3rd round for another QB. This would only make matters worse for Action Jackson's "Psychy"

Morgan, I don't understand. They spend the big $ for Madieu Williams so I can't see Morgan going then. I think they'll take someone who can play some CB and FS.

Finley I like but don't think the Vikes will take him.

I do think that we'll see one OL who can start at RG then eventually move to RT with one of these picks though.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

17. Minnesota - Derrick Harvey, DE – Florida47. Minnesota - Chad Henne, QB – Michigan73. Minnesota (from Denver) - DaJuan Morgan, S - North Carolina State82. Minnesota - Jermichael Finley, TE - TexasHarvey seems to be everyone's choice for the Vikings. I still like Calais Campbell better but I'd be happy with any of the top DE prospects with the top pick.

I think it's a lock that they take DE in the first. I'm fine with any of Harvey, Campbell, or Groves. One should be there at their pick.

I like Henne but don't see the Vikes going for him. I think they go 3rd round for another QB. This would only make matters worse for Action Jackson's "Psychy"

I can agree with that. With as accurate as he's shown to be, I would love to see them use one of the 3rds on Colt Brennan if he's available.

Morgan, I don't understand. They spend the big $ for Madieu Williams so I can't see Morgan going then. I think they'll take someone who can play some CB and FS.

It's for depth and he's really good. They lost Smith and Tank and Sharper is nearing the end of his career.

Finley I like but don't think the Vikes will take him.

With the talent available at the TE position, I'd be disappointed if they didn't take one and not put all their eggs in the Shiancoe basket.

I do think that we'll see one OL who can start at RG then eventually move to RT with one of these picks though.

Are you kidding? They just signed Herrera to a starters contract at RG and he earned it. They're not drafting a RG, although I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to upgrade the RT spot.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Are you kidding? They just signed Herrera to a starters contract at RG and he earned it. They're not drafting a RG, although I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to upgrade the RT spot.

I also think that you have to look at the prospect of Cook moving to Center eventually. That is where he played in college and Birk won't be around forever.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are you kidding? They just signed Herrera to a starters contract at RG and he earned it. They're not drafting a RG, although I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to upgrade the RT spot.

I also think that you have to look at the prospect of Cook moving to Center eventually. That is where he played in college and Birk won't be around forever.

I was thinking about that today when BIrk was on KFAN. There are a couple decent centers that could be taken with one of the two 3rd round picks too.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Herrera, from Tennessee was it? He doesn't do much for me but if thats the case then draft a T in the 3rd.

I think the eventual replacement for Birk is the kid that was on IR last year, Moses, and not Cook. I think Cook is too tall anyway to play Center.

As for Colt Brennan, noooooooooooo........stop..........it's a trick........with mirrors!!! He's at best a 6th rounder if not a free agent. He has no arm strength and was a success due to the system with Juney Jones. NO THANK YOU Colt. Go play for Indy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Herrera, from Tennessee was it? He doesn't do much for me but if thats the case then draft a T in the 3rd.I think the eventual replacement for Birk is the kid that was on IR last year, Moses, and not Cook. I think Cook is too tall anyway to play Center.

Forgot about him. He was the guy they signed as a FA, right?

As for Colt Brennan, noooooooooooo........stop..........it's a trick........with mirrors!!! He's at best a 6th rounder if not a free agent. He has no arm strength and was a success due to the system with Juney Jones. NO THANK YOU Colt. Go play for Indy.

He has adequate arm strength and is very, very accurate which is what Childress is really looking for.A lot of people are really wrong about Brennan.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Well my draft buddy guru Mike Mayok claims that Brennan will be a 6th rounder at best and that his mechanics are all screwed up. He supposedly was the least impressive in the Senior Bowl, where all the NFL Network people were for the week. I don't even know if I want to take a flyer out on him with the 6th rounder we got from Jacksonville.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Well my draft buddy guru Mike Mayok claims that Brennan will be a 6th rounder at best and that his mechanics are all screwed up. He supposedly was the least impressive in the Senior Bowl, where all the NFL Network people were for the week. I don't even know if I want to take a flyer out on him with the 6th rounder we got from Jacksonville.

He was all out of whack at the Senior Bowl because he'd been sick for quite some time beforehand.Interesting bump. I was just working on a quickie version "B" of this mock. I may or may not post it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Version 2.0. Just for fun.

Dallas trades to Chicago when McFadden falls. Only Cincinnati's pick is the same.

1. Miami - Chris Long

2. St. Louis - Vernon Gholston

3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan

4. Oakland - Jake Long

5. Kansas City - Sedrick Ellis

6. New York Jets - Leodis McKelvin

7. New England (from San Francisco) - Ryan Clady

8. Baltimore - Brian Brohm

9. Cincinnati - Glenn Dorsey

10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins

11. Buffalo - Malcolm Kelly

12. Denver - Limas Sweed

13. Carolina - Derrick Harvey

14. Dallas (from Chicago) - Darren McFadden

15. Detroit - Keith Rivers

16. Arizona - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

17. Minnesota - Phillip Merling

18. Houston - Rashard Mendenhall

19. Philadelphia - Jeff Otah

20. Tampa Bay - Kentwan Balmer

21. Washington - Kenny Phillips

22. Chicago (from Dallas) - Devin Thomas

23. Pittsburgh - Chris Williams

24. Tennessee - Trevor Laws

25. Seattle - Sam Baker

26. Jacksonville - DeSean Jackson

27. San Diego - Reggie Smith

28. Dallas - Antoine Cason

29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) - Quentin Groves

30. Green Bay - Jonathan Stewart

31. New York Giants - Dan Connor

Edit: Dammit. I have Brohm in there twice. Just a second...

Edit2: There. Fixed. Trade with Chicago instead of the Lions.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

God my proofreading sucks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

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Yay! The Dallas connection is here! And gone just as quick...

 

[Chaos Commish]

God my proofreading sucks.

Couple things sort of breaking right now. Stewart is appears is about to announce the surgery is a go, in which case, you were prophetic and he's probably going to fall into the 20s and possibly more. Sad really.Mendenhall on the other hand had a very very impressive Pro Day and the word is no teams after the Texans are wasting their time scheduling private workouts or interviews. They know he'll be gone, so why bother?This Dallas move scares me, but it has JJ written all over it. I would live with it, even be excited by the possibilities. I'm probably not typical of my poke brethren and still just prefer a couple DBs here. But you're making sense of reality now.I got called out for not giving Rivers to Detroit. I forgot him while making the mock and just stuck him in at the end to the Giants. But if you have Ernie Sims is Rivers what you look for. They are both ideal cover 2 WLB. Cato is doing it in Tampa and we saw Thornton have big numbers in Indy playing the strong side, but I still think they would prefer Connor who seems better fit for MLB (a real need) and SLB if need be. I also get a very strong vibe with them shopping these corners. They made no effort to hide love for Cason and now... I forget which one, but another corner seems high on their list. I own Bodden and expect them to wait a round, but thesse are strong rumors. Of course my love for Groves makes me think he is way too low, but he has the feel of someone who good go anywhere from top 10 to early 2nd. I like this revision overall. It has a good beat and you can dance to it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Mendenhall on the other hand had a very very impressive Pro Day and the word is no teams after the Texans are wasting their time scheduling private workouts or interviews. They know he'll be gone, so why bother?

There's the proofreading thing again. Of course he's a 1st rounder.Another minor edit...Edit: Mendenhall to the Texans. Reggie Smith to the Chargers. Gosder Cherilus drops out.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I got called out for not giving Rivers to Detroit. I forgot him while making the mock and just stuck him in at the end to the Giants. But if you have Ernie Sims is Rivers what you look for. They are both ideal cover 2 WLB. Cato is doing it in Tampa and we saw Thornton have big numbers in Indy playing the strong side, but I still think they would prefer Connor who seems better fit for MLB (a real need) and SLB if need be. I also get a very strong vibe with them shopping these corners. They made no effort to hide love for Cason and now... I forget which one, but another corner seems high on their list. I own Bodden and expect them to wait a round, but thesse are strong rumors.

I still think they need to take another LB and it doesn't matter if it's Rivers or Connors. I think one of those two would play fine in the middle. Mayo is a better fit in the cover 2, and is my favorite for them to take in the 2nd. But I didn't want to have Rivers or Connors fall out of the first.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Mendenhall on the other hand had a very very impressive Pro Day and the word is no teams after the Texans are wasting their time scheduling private workouts or interviews. They know he'll be gone, so why bother?

There's the proofreading thing again. Of course he's a 1st rounder.Another minor edit...Edit: Mendenhall to the Texans. Reggie Smith to the Chargers. Gosder Cherilus drops out.

I refuse to count the typos in my reply.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I got called out for not giving Rivers to Detroit. I forgot him while making the mock and just stuck him in at the end to the Giants. But if you have Ernie Sims is Rivers what you look for. They are both ideal cover 2 WLB. Cato is doing it in Tampa and we saw Thornton have big numbers in Indy playing the strong side, but I still think they would prefer Connor who seems better fit for MLB (a real need) and SLB if need be. I also get a very strong vibe with them shopping these corners. They made no effort to hide love for Cason and now... I forget which one, but another corner seems high on their list. I own Bodden and expect them to wait a round, but thesse are strong rumors.

I still think they need to take another LB and it doesn't matter if it's Rivers or Connors. I think one of those two would play fine in the middle. Mayo is a better fit in the cover 2, and is my favorite for them to take in the 2nd. But I didn't want to have Rivers or Connors fall out of the first.

All right, I thought about it and you're right, I don't like Rivers to Detroit with Mendenhall on the board either.This scenario is with Jonathan Stewart dropping out of the first, which I can definitely see. I wouldn't draft a RB having foot surgery before he even comes into the league either.1. Miami - Chris Long2. St. Louis - Vernon Gholston3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan4. Oakland - Jake Long5. Kansas City - Sedrick Ellis6. New York Jets - Leodis McKelvin7. New England (from San Francisco) - Ryan Clady8. Baltimore - Brian Brohm9. Cincinnati - Glenn Dorsey10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins11. Buffalo - Malcolm Kelly12. Denver - Limas Sweed13. Carolina - Derrick Harvey14. Dallas (from Chicago) - Darren McFadden15. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall16. Arizona - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie17. Minnesota - Phillip Merling18. Houston - Reggie Smith 19. Philadelphia - Jeff Otah20. Tampa Bay - Kentwan Balmer21. Washington - Kenny Phillips22. Chicago (from Dallas) - Devin Thomas23. Pittsburgh - Chris Williams24. Tennessee - Trevor Laws25. Seattle - Sam Baker26. Jacksonville - DeSean Jackson27. San Diego - Gosder Cherilus28. Dallas - Antoine Cason29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) - Quentin Groves30. Green Bay - Keith Rivers31. New York Giants - Dan Connor

 

[Sidewinder16]

At least you have the 'Skins picking a legitimate need this time.

Although I still think they go DL.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Miami - Chris Long2. St. Louis - Vernon Gholston3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan4. Oakland - Jake Long5. Kansas City - Sedrick Ellis6. New York Jets - Leodis McKelvin7. New England (from San Francisco) - Ryan Clady8. Baltimore - Brian Brohm9. Cincinnati - Glenn Dorsey10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins11. Buffalo - Malcolm Kelly12. Denver - Limas Sweed13. Carolina - Derrick Harvey14. Dallas (from Chicago) - Darren McFadden15. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall16. Arizona - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie17. Minnesota - Phillip Merling18. Houston - Reggie Smith 19. Philadelphia - Jeff Otah20. Tampa Bay - Kentwan Balmer21. Washington - Kenny Phillips22. Chicago (from Dallas) - Devin Thomas23. Pittsburgh - Chris Williams24. Tennessee - Trevor Laws25. Seattle - Sam Baker26. Jacksonville - DeSean Jackson27. San Diego - Gosder Cherilus28. Dallas - Antoine Cason29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) - Quentin Groves30. Green Bay - Keith Rivers31. New York Giants - Dan Connor

Bump because today is a slow day and I'm craving some attention.

 

[Abraham]

1. Miami - Chris Long2. St. Louis - Vernon Gholston3. Atlanta - Matt Ryan4. Oakland - Jake Long5. Kansas City - Sedrick Ellis6. New York Jets - Leodis McKelvin7. New England (from San Francisco) - Ryan Clady8. Baltimore - Brian Brohm9. Cincinnati - Glenn Dorsey10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins11. Buffalo - Malcolm Kelly12. Denver - Limas Sweed13. Carolina - Derrick Harvey14. Dallas (from Chicago) - Darren McFadden15. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall16. Arizona - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie17. Minnesota - Phillip Merling18. Houston - Reggie Smith 19. Philadelphia - Jeff Otah20. Tampa Bay - Kentwan Balmer21. Washington - Kenny Phillips22. Chicago (from Dallas) - Devin Thomas23. Pittsburgh - Chris Williams24. Tennessee - Trevor Laws25. Seattle - Sam Baker26. Jacksonville - DeSean Jackson27. San Diego - Gosder Cherilus28. Dallas - Antoine Cason29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) - Quentin Groves30. Green Bay - Keith Rivers31. New York Giants - Dan Connor

Bump because today is a slow day and I'm craving some attention. ;P

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What part? The draft or the attention whoring?I really like that top 10. Honestly.

 

[B Maverick]

a lot of talk about SD taking either J Stewart or Rodgers-Cromartie if either are there at 27. Rodgers-Cromartie would be a fun choice to pair with their Cromartie

I would hate them picking stewart there with a few other more important needs IMO (OT, DT, CB, S).

But stewart falling may give them 1 of 2 things, the guy to groom behind LT and he would have time to heal after surgery or the ability to trade out into the 2nd and pick up more picks (this year and next maybe?). If their trade partner isnt after JS, they could possible get him later too.

Their other talk is about T Choice or Forte with the comp pick for Edwards.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

a lot of talk about SD taking either J Stewart or Rodgers-Cromartie if either are there at 27. Rodgers-Cromartie would be a fun choice to pair with their CromartieI would hate them picking stewart there with a few other more important needs IMO (OT, DT, CB, S).But stewart falling may give them 1 of 2 things, the guy to groom behind LT and he would have time to heal after surgery or the ability to trade out into the 2nd and pick up more picks (this year and next maybe?). If their trade partner isnt after JS, they could possible get him later too.Their other talk is about T Choice or Forte with the comp pick for Edwards.

I'm torn on Stewart right now. I've read that the surgery won't affect his stock, but then I've also read the opposite. Turf toe isn't a career wrecker by any stretch, but it's not a good injury to have.I think it would be foolish for the Chargers to take a RB considering they don't have a 2nd round pick. If Cromartie is there, I'd be surprised and he'd be a good pick. They have to fill that RT spot with the release of Olivea.

 

[B Maverick]

a lot of talk about SD taking either J Stewart or Rodgers-Cromartie if either are there at 27. Rodgers-Cromartie would be a fun choice to pair with their CromartieI would hate them picking stewart there with a few other more important needs IMO (OT, DT, CB, S).But stewart falling may give them 1 of 2 things, the guy to groom behind LT and he would have time to heal after surgery or the ability to trade out into the 2nd and pick up more picks (this year and next maybe?). If their trade partner isnt after JS, they could possible get him later too.Their other talk is about T Choice or Forte with the comp pick for Edwards.

I'm torn on Stewart right now. I've read that the surgery won't affect his stock, but then I've also read the opposite. Turf toe isn't a career wrecker by any stretch, but it's not a good injury to have.I think it would be foolish for the Chargers to take a RB considering they don't have a 2nd round pick. If Cromartie is there, I'd be surprised and he'd be a good pick. They have to fill that RT spot with the release of Olivea.

i agree. they are short on safeties, cbs and OTs. DT is a need as williams is getting older. They are in perfect position to trade out of the first, pick up a 2nd, 3rd and maybe a 1st next year. with the comp pick for edwards that gives them a 2nd, 3rd and 4th (or something like that) this year to get what they need.

 

[Getinthemix]

The more I think about it, I agree with Gholston. I think he is gone in the first 4-5 picks easy. I really think the Rams or Raiders take him, depending on when Chris Long falls. Just think his athetic abilities are too enticing.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The more I think about it, I agree with Gholston. I think he is gone in the first 4-5 picks easy. I really think the Rams or Raiders take him, depending on when Chris Long falls. Just think his athetic abilities are too enticing.

I think Carriker and Gholston would be quite a duo for the Rams. I wonder where they'll end up playing Carriker, though.One of the biggest reasons I put Gholston there was because I suspect the Rams are going to transition to the 3-4. Carriker would make a great 3-4 end and Gholston, while he needs some work, could be a 3-4 OLB stud.

 

[Getinthemix]

Even without the Rams going to a 3-4, you could play Gholston at weakside end and let him get after the passer. Very nice. Plus it is a copy cat league and rushing the passer is hot right now.

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

19. Philadelphia Eagles- Limas Sweed, WR - Tennessee Texas

Why the Eagles brass doesn't like taking skill players early is beyond me. This year, their hand is forced. After failing in their play to get Randy Moss, they take one of the two closest to NFL-ready receivers available.

I'm not a big fan of Sweed, but his time at the combine surprised me and this is the big bodied WR the Eagles need.

:fixed:(for 'Horn fans everywhere)

 

[Max Power]

Chicago taking a WR in rd 1? I'd like to say "never happen" but seriously with this team who knows.

If the Bears do trade down to the mid 20...They will be looking Cherilus, Williams, Otah or Alberts.

DMC won't drop that far anyhow...

 

[kremenull]

The more I think about it, I agree with Gholston. I think he is gone in the first 4-5 picks easy. I really think the Rams or Raiders take him, depending on when Chris Long falls. Just think his athetic abilities are too enticing.

I think Carriker and Gholston would be quite a duo for the Rams. I wonder where they'll end up playing Carriker, though.One of the biggest reasons I put Gholston there was because I suspect the Rams are going to transition to the 3-4. Carriker would make a great 3-4 end and Gholston, while he needs some work, could be a 3-4 OLB stud.

Actually, Gholston can play, and flourish, in either system........but it's good to see you come over to my side..... I had Gholston to the Rams weeks ago.......

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=8286340

No way Jose the Raiders take J.Long at #4......Raiders are taking an IMPACT player there for certain, if they keep the pick.....one of the two premier DEs or DTs or McFadden.......

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I'm thinking that the Vikings could go Harvey or Merling in the first and Calais Campbell in the 2nd if he keeps slipping. That would be golden for them. Then TE and safety with their two third round picks.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I'm thinking that the Vikings could go Harvey or Merling in the first and Calais Campbell in the 2nd if he keeps slipping. That would be golden for them. Then TE and safety with their two third round picks.

 

[3nOut]

Chicago taking a WR in rd 1? I'd like to say "never happen" but seriously with this team who knows. If the Bears do trade down to the mid 20...They will be looking Cherilus, Williams, Otah or Alberts.DMC won't drop that far anyhow...

If McFadden fell to the Bears, would they pass on him? And if they do, what else would they get besides the 20th pick? A second? I agree they still go OL in the first. If they can get the same OL at 20 that they can get at 14 plus get an additional pick, that wouldn't be too bad if the extra pick isn't too low. It would be nice to get OL, QB, RB or WR in the first two rounds.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

DMC won't drop that far anyhow...

Don't be so sure.I'm prepared to see Dorsey fall like crazy. There are persistent rumors that his legs are damaged in one way or another.I can't believe that Jake Long is getting poo-poohed like he is.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Steelers meet with Dre Moore.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Steelers meet with Dre Moore.

I'd be thrilled to see them grab him in round 3. Round 2, not so sure, as there could very easily still be a promising OL or CB prospect available at that juncture.

 

[notdarkyet]

DMC won't drop that far anyhow...

Don't be so sure.I'm prepared to see Dorsey fall like crazy. There are persistent rumors that his legs are damaged in one way or another.

Then its a virtual lock he will be a Bengal and be perpetually injured. *sigh* I still want him, I just see the curse continuing.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm pretty sure the Patriots would trade out of that #7 spot if they got a decent offer.

I starting to think someone may indeed trade up to that spot to select Derrick Harvey. If he lasts that long .

 

[pgreenfan]

DMC won't drop that far anyhow...

Don't be so sure.I'm prepared to see Dorsey fall like crazy. There are persistent rumors that his legs are damaged in one way or another.I can't believe that Jake Long is getting poo-poohed like he is.

I don't think an Alan Branch fall is completely out of the question for Dorsey . Last year at this time almost all of us doing mocks had him in the top 5 and he fell out of the first round. It is fun to speculate on where people are going to go but at the end of the day none of us are going to get them all right.

 

[Spike]

I'm pretty sure the Patriots would trade out of that #7 spot if they got a decent offer.

I starting to think someone may indeed trade up to that spot to select Derrick Harvey. If he lasts that long .

I'm not saying it will be easy or that they'll get 100 cents on the dollar, but I'll be stunned if the Pats make the 1.07 pick AND keep it.

 

[kremenull]

DMC won't drop that far anyhow...

Don't be so sure.I'm prepared to see Dorsey fall like crazy. There are persistent rumors that his legs are damaged in one way or another.I can't believe that Jake Long is getting poo-poohed like he is.

I don't think an Alan Branch fall is completely out of the question for Dorsey . Last year at this time almost all of us doing mocks had him in the top 5 and he fell out of the first round. It is fun to speculate on where people are going to go but at the end of the day none of us are going to get them all right.

Dorsey ain't falling. This is the season of misinformation and overyhyping issues (off-field or otherwise), and Dorsey is one of the primary targets. Why? Well, for one he is a stud. Two, there was a verified injury in 2006 (stress fracture). Third, once that injury news came out, then out came the 'sharks', otherwise known as agents. Agents of other top prospects will seize any opportunity to give their client a chance to move up in the draft. So if I'm an agent, why not leak false information to the press (anonymously, and/or through third parties, of course) about another top-flight prospect who could knock my client down a few spots, thus costing me and my client $$$$. There's no accountability for this type of rumor-mongering, so thus it is what it is. Just don't be so quick to fall for the traps. Dorsey is going Top 5 in this draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dorsey ain't falling. This is the season of misinformation and overyhyping issues (off-field or otherwise), and Dorsey is one of the primary targets. Why? Well, for one he is a stud. Two, there was a verified injury in 2006 (stress fracture). Third, once that injury news came out, then out came the 'sharks', otherwise known as agents. Agents of other top prospects will seize any opportunity to give their client a chance to move up in the draft. So if I'm an agent, why not leak false information to the press (anonymously, and/or through third parties, of course) about another top-flight prospect who could knock my client down a few spots, thus costing me and my client $$$$. There's no accountability for this type of rumor-mongering, so thus it is what it is. Just don't be so quick to fall for the traps. Dorsey is going Top 5 in this draft.

I agree and disagree. I think Dorsey is a stud too. But I also know after following the draft closely the last 5-ish years that once a DT does start to slide, he usually slides quite a bit.I know there were guys just as vehemently proclaiming Alan Branch as a top 10 guy last year.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Dorsey ain't falling. This is the season of misinformation and overyhyping issues (off-field or otherwise), and Dorsey is one of the primary targets. Why? Well, for one he is a stud. Two, there was a verified injury in 2006 (stress fracture). Third, once that injury news came out, then out came the 'sharks', otherwise known as agents. Agents of other top prospects will seize any opportunity to give their client a chance to move up in the draft. So if I'm an agent, why not leak false information to the press (anonymously, and/or through third parties, of course) about another top-flight prospect who could knock my client down a few spots, thus costing me and my client $$$$. There's no accountability for this type of rumor-mongering, so thus it is what it is. Just don't be so quick to fall for the traps. Dorsey is going Top 5 in this draft.

I agree and disagree. I think Dorsey is a stud too. But I also know after following the draft closely the last 5-ish years that once a DT does start to slide, he usually slides quite a bit.I know there were guys just as vehemently proclaiming Alan Branch as a top 10 guy last year.

I would have a hard time seeing Dorsey fall past Cincy, New Orleans or Denver.Dorsey and Branch and really bad comparisons. Branch is an oversized DT (6-5, 350?), whose best attribute was stuffing the run. He had questions about his pass rush skills, conditioning and intensity that made him fall. Dorsey is a lot closer to a guy like Okoye that can penetrate and get pressure on the QB. The only knock on Dorsey are the alleged injury concerns, that I have read are anywhere from a major question mark to a non-issue.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dorsey ain't falling. This is the season of misinformation and overyhyping issues (off-field or otherwise), and Dorsey is one of the primary targets. Why? Well, for one he is a stud. Two, there was a verified injury in 2006 (stress fracture). Third, once that injury news came out, then out came the 'sharks', otherwise known as agents. Agents of other top prospects will seize any opportunity to give their client a chance to move up in the draft. So if I'm an agent, why not leak false information to the press (anonymously, and/or through third parties, of course) about another top-flight prospect who could knock my client down a few spots, thus costing me and my client $$$$. There's no accountability for this type of rumor-mongering, so thus it is what it is. Just don't be so quick to fall for the traps. Dorsey is going Top 5 in this draft.

I agree and disagree. I think Dorsey is a stud too. But I also know after following the draft closely the last 5-ish years that once a DT does start to slide, he usually slides quite a bit.I know there were guys just as vehemently proclaiming Alan Branch as a top 10 guy last year.

I would have a hard time seeing Dorsey fall past Cincy, New Orleans or Denver.Dorsey and Branch and really bad comparisons. Branch is an oversized DT (6-5, 350?), whose best attribute was stuffing the run. He had questions about his pass rush skills, conditioning and intensity that made him fall. Dorsey is a lot closer to a guy like Okoye that can penetrate and get pressure on the QB. The only knock on Dorsey are the alleged injury concerns, that I have read are anywhere from a major question mark to a non-issue.

I wasn't comparing the skills, just the question marks. I agree it's difficult, nigh on impossible, to think he'd go past Denver and will likely go much earlier.Quinn Pitcock was a potential first rounder that went in the 3rd.DT just seems like a position that is very volitile and fickle.