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Andy Reid knows his Football... Kevin Kolb looks like a great pick (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I know there was a lot of OL trouble tonight... but I'm pretty sure that Kolb could of put up whatever stats McNabb did tonight... minus the handoff he dropped.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
classic
the Eagles are actually pretty good at drafting guys a few seasons before they will need them and they have a pretty good transition when those young guys need to play. i recall everyone trippin when they took DBs early with multiple picks when they still Taylor/Vincent back there.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
If you watched, then you know that they need a new left tackle or blocking left tight end. Not a new QB. 11 sacks. Just insane.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
If you're truly an Eagles fan, then the last thing you want is your future franchise QB getting his head bashed in behind that offensive line last night. Truly an horrible performance against a defense that was struggling up until yesterday.
Ya, if you think Mcnabb is the problem you are clueless. The line didn't give him two seconds to throw the ball and he simply doesn't have talented enough wrs to get open that fast. I do think Reid shoulders some blame for this but lets be realistic....Westbrook is the most important player on that team and without him in the game the Giants just let loose. This is coming from a guy who needed 6 pts out of Mcnabb last night to win and didn't get it...ouch! Kolb may be the long term answer but from what I have seen he is no where near ready.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
McNabb is a statue... is feet are made of stone... yes there was OL trouble; but the guy couldn't move either... he looked like what he is; washed up. Remember the Dallas Cowboys last yr... remember when they replaced that Drew Beldsoe guy with someone younger and more mobile??? Maybe its just meand please; the FB ran into him... come on dude; did you see the play... thats the QBs Fault. I guess when his TD was called back; it was someone else's fault that he went over the line too.
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Perfect Tommy
Footballguy
Donavan McNabb is still a fine player. But his mobility wasn't there. I have never seem him get caught from behind so many times. The thing he does best is avoid interceptions. With twelve sacks he still didn't throw one pick! When his knee fully heals he will have several good years left. Of course, he is no Brett Favre, but his is still one of the best QBs of his generation.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Uh yeah... Justice was one of those guys that was drafted to step-up when needed. I lost count of how many times Umenyiora put Justice flat on his back last night. McNabb could have played better but a bad left tackle can totally disrupt an offense. Ask Bulger what it's like trying to stay in a pocket that keeps caving in on the backside. Once again, Reid was out-coached. Continuing to attempt to throw the ball when Buckhalter was actually running the ball pretty well. Attempting that many passes, in a game that close, allowed the Giants to run around like wildmen. Reid will never change and neither will the results.
The thing that annoys me most about these Eagles losses are the things that are painfully obvious to anyone watching but seem oblivious to Reid. Give Justice some help, run the ball since you're doing that effectively and have no time to pass. I'd hate to end up in a Marty/SD situation, but Andy has these coaching lapses every year and every year it frustrates the hell out of me.
delusional
Footballguy
This year he has been bad. I still think him not taking more time off to deal with his family issues was a bad idea.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
anyone think that Reid was trying to kill McNabb last night.
Yea dude it's just you. Like a previous poster said, this thread is useless and ridiculous. If you honestly think that Kolb wouldn't have had as many sacks as McNabb or more you are either fishing or completely clueless. Nothing here to discuss.
delusional
Footballguy
Big problem last night was horrible coaching adjustments ( none at all )
Abandon the run game ( which did damn well even )
McNabb played poorly. Held the ball TOO long, couldn't get out of the pocket.
Oline did bad. Justice was in his 1st start..got NO help blocking at all. Its his first start at LT, a position he been trying to learn ( he is a RT ).
Just bad.
Buck looked decent though. Same with TE Celek
Abandon the run game ( which did damn well even )
McNabb played poorly. Held the ball TOO long, couldn't get out of the pocket.
Oline did bad. Justice was in his 1st start..got NO help blocking at all. Its his first start at LT, a position he been trying to learn ( he is a RT ).
Just bad.
Buck looked decent though. Same with TE Celek
az_prof
Footballguy
And I am pretty sure he would thrown a few INTs and/or also dropped a few more fumbles on one of the double digit sacks.
delusional
Footballguy
McNabbs sacks accounted for I think negative 62 yards.
Even a toss to the sideline or at a WRs feet ( not too hard for him ) to avoid it would have been helpful.
I mean seriously though, you watch your basically rookie RT playing LT get blown up in the first half, wouldn't you want to toss a FB or TE on that side to help in blocking? The poor kid probably took a 30 ought 6 to the face of self confidence after that game.
Even a toss to the sideline or at a WRs feet ( not too hard for him ) to avoid it would have been helpful.
I mean seriously though, you watch your basically rookie RT playing LT get blown up in the first half, wouldn't you want to toss a FB or TE on that side to help in blocking? The poor kid probably took a 30 ought 6 to the face of self confidence after that game.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Watching the game last nite, I was wondering what was up w/ the playcalling. Running game works, so let's stop running. Pass rush is killing us, so let's continue to drop back and provide no extra protection. Most troubling to me, was the lack of counters, draws and screen passes to help slow the pass rush. This team throws more screen passes than any other in the league w/ Westbrook in the lineup, so are Buck's hands soooo bad that he can't catch a screen pass?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
A debacle from start to finish...
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
and if you don't see that McNabb is a shell of the QB he once was... your the clueless one. The guy runs in slow-mo now. Take away the Det game since Det can't cover anyone... and he only has 1 TD in 3 games. Yeap; it must be me. I bet his passer rating in those 3 games is 60 or under...
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You can't "take away" the Detroit game. It happened.Take away Super Bowl III and Joe Namath isn't in the Hall of Fame.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
This may be your best posting ever.
Big Score
Footballguy
ACL reconstruction takes at least 12 months to fully heal. Look at Palmer's start to the season last year.
Look at C-Pepp's start to the season last year.
Look at Edge's numbers in Indy coming back from ACL reconstruction before 12 months had passed.
Look at Edge's numbers in Indy coming back from ACL reconstruction after 12 months had passed.
Once McNabb's past the 12 month Mendoza line for ACL surgery, we'll be able to tell if he's the shell of a QB he once was.
To proclaim it now? That's waaayyyyy premature.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
this sums up the game , Reid is the worst coach at making in-game adjustments/the fumble was McNabbs fault , not Tapeh's.
togo
Footballguy
This was probably most that I have ever seen a single offensive lineman affect the outcome of a game. It was amazing.
And the fact that Andy Reid made NO adjustments was just unbelievable, unbelievable!! No double team with the guard, no tight end help in a double or even a chip, no running back help. None!!!
Then clock mangaement was unbelievable by Philly. Before the end of the first half they had the ball and 2 timeouts but were in no hurry. I believe they had a completion with over a minute left, and TWO timeouts, and they didn't snap the ball again until there were under 30 seconds. What are you doing??
At the end of the game they were in the no huddle sometimes and...... sometimes they were not with the clock running. There was no sense of urgency and they needed 2 touchdowns. Amazing.
I thought Reid was a good coach until after last night.
And the fact that Andy Reid made NO adjustments was just unbelievable, unbelievable!! No double team with the guard, no tight end help in a double or even a chip, no running back help. None!!!
Then clock mangaement was unbelievable by Philly. Before the end of the first half they had the ball and 2 timeouts but were in no hurry. I believe they had a completion with over a minute left, and TWO timeouts, and they didn't snap the ball again until there were under 30 seconds. What are you doing??
At the end of the game they were in the no huddle sometimes and...... sometimes they were not with the clock running. There was no sense of urgency and they needed 2 touchdowns. Amazing.
I thought Reid was a good coach until after last night.
He has his good points and bad points.He's won a lot of games, made good descisions and bad. He bungled the TO fiasco badly. He may be right about this Kolb kid, though. Time will tell.
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I think Big Score had some valid points. I'll concieve that he is playing poorly right now but he may not be completely healhy. Look at what Culpeppers doing as of late. He looks to be finally healthy. So I'd say it's a bit premature to count McNabb out just yet. His o-line needs to improve for him to have some time to throw as well. Only time will tell.
4 - Digit Shark
Footballguy
If what you say, "Andy Reid knows his football," is true, why in the heck did he draft Winston Justice?
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Is there anyone left in the Delaware Valley, that watches every Eagles game, listens to Reid's press conferences, sees the performance of his draft picks and free agent signings and still thinks this clown is a good head coach? Reid and his coaching staff have single-handedly lost at least two of the games this season. AT LEAST.
I am so sick of Reid, his arrogance, his insistence that he doesn't need talent - his system is a machine, etc.. I'm so sick of watching other teams and seeing guys that were on the board when we traded out of the first round, playing good football and actually contributing to their teams on a weekly basis. But hey - Kolb looks good holding that clipboard.
God I hate being a Philadelphia sports fan. 
I am so sick of Reid, his arrogance, his insistence that he doesn't need talent - his system is a machine, etc.. I'm so sick of watching other teams and seeing guys that were on the board when we traded out of the first round, playing good football and actually contributing to their teams on a weekly basis. But hey - Kolb looks good holding that clipboard.
God I hate being a Philadelphia sports fan.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
After watching McNabb so far this year I am very happy they drafted Kolb.Is there anyone left in the Delaware Valley, that watches every Eagles game, listens to Reid's press conferences, sees the performance of his draft picks and free agent signings and still thinks this clown is a good head coach? Reid and his coaching staff have single-handedly lost at least two of the games this season. AT LEAST.I am so sick of Reid, his arrogance, his insistence that he doesn't need talent - his system is a machine, etc.. I'm so sick of watching other teams and seeing guys that were on the board when we traded out of the first round, playing good football and actually contributing to their teams on a weekly basis. But hey - Kolb looks good holding that clipboard.God I hate being a Philadelphia sports fan.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
How was McNabb yesterday... his stats were OK..
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Andy Reid is THE WORST coach in the history of the NFL when it comes to clock management. Seriously. He's absolutely horrendous. Not just last night either. There are countless examples from over the years.
Is there anyone left in the Delaware Valley, that watches every Eagles game, listens to Reid's press conferences, sees the performance of his draft picks and free agent signings and still thinks this clown is a good head coach? Reid and his coaching staff have single-handedly lost at least two of the games this season. AT LEAST.
I am so sick of Reid, his arrogance, his insistence that he doesn't need talent - his system is a machine, etc.. I'm so sick of watching other teams and seeing guys that were on the board when we traded out of the first round, playing good football and actually contributing to their teams on a weekly basis. But hey - Kolb looks good holding that clipboard.
God I hate being a Philadelphia sports fan.
Reid did what he could for us and did well. Unfortunately I don't think he has what it takes to get us a SB win, or even back to an SB. He's given us what he could but I think it's time for him to move on.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
McNabb can not hit anyone in stride unless they have a 5-10 yard open circle around themMcNabb either throws into the dirt of 5 feet above everyones headMcNabb does not make quick enough decisions with the ballIf McNabb was on his game Philly would have won the game by 10 pts
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
If philly misses the Playoffs... is it safe to say that McNabb is gone???
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I think he might be gone either way. Ever since that Giants game when Reid refused to slide the protection package to help out Winston Justice, I have believed that he is trying to send a message to the golden boy. I would say its a 50/50 chance on McNabb being back.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Was it McNabb's fault that Reggie Brown dropped that TD?
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
You want to bring up throws into the endzone?
Please See Mine
Footballguy
You want to absolve Brown for not catching that ball?
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
If you watched the play the ball arrived late and brown was hit from behind. Had McNabb actually made a quick decision things could have been different.Facts are this - McNabb does not make quick decisions - McNabb has not been accurate - McNabb makes very poor decisions with the ball game in and game outI am not a McNabb basher, I have been in his corner for his entire career, but I do watch the entire game and the guy just doesnt have it on a consistent basis.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I can't believe that you watched the game and came away with the impression that McNabb lost the game for the Eagles. He was 21 for 34 with 0 INT's. Reggie Brown couldn't catch a ball if he was playing in your backyard. Tapeh (why is he even on the team?) has a drop as did Westbrook. I thought overall - McNabb played ok. Yes - he still holds the ball to long - I'll agree with you there. BUT I think everyone was forewarned that McNabb's injury takes a year to recover from. Carson Palmer pretty much proved that out a couple of seasons ago.You want to lay the blame somewhere consider this :
Westbrook - 1st half - 12 carries - 59 yards: 2nd half 6 carries - 20 yards.
Check out the Eagles final series (didn't count their 10 yd "Hail Mary" on the last play) :
Philadelphia Eagles at 04:02
1-10-PHI 42 (4:02) 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 44 for 2 yards (55-L.Briggs).
2-8-PHI 44 (3:22) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to 86-R.Brown.
3-8-PHI 44 (3:17) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb scrambles left end ran ob at CHI 47 for 9 yards (91-T.Harris).
1-10-CHI 47 (3:08) 5-D.McNabb sacked at 50 for -3 yards (20-A.Archuleta).
2-13- (2:37) 36-B.Westbrook left end to CHI 45 for 5 yards (54-B.Urlacher).
Timeout #3 by CHI at 02:30.
Timeout #1 by PHI at 02:30.
3-8-CHI 45 (2:30) 36-B.Westbrook left end to CHI 44 for 1 yard (38-D.Manning; 33-C.Tillman). PENALTY on PHI-79-T.Herremans, Offensive Holding, 9 yards, enforced at CHI 45 - No Play.
3-17-PHI 46 (2:23) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass left to 36-B.Westbrook to CHI 46 for 8 yards (55-L.Briggs; 24-R.Manning).
Two-Minute Warning
4-9-CHI 46 (1:57) 6-S.Rocca punts 43 yards to CHI 3, Center-46-J.Dorenbos, out of bounds.
I count 4 attempts to throw a pass with 4 minutes to go in the game sitting on a 4 pt lead and Chicago having 1 timeout left. The final attempt (3rd and 17) is the only play where a pass should even be considered. They burned a total of 5 seconds between play 2 and play 3. How about that extra 30 seconds they left on the clock for Chicago - turned out to be pretty big didn't it?
Yeah - McNabb probably could have played better but to try to pin this loss on him is not fair.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Sorry but when the Eagles offense goes up against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL and can only manage one TD at HOME, I blame the offense. The Eagles lost because of their team effort, theres no question about that. However (IMO) had McNabb played the way he is capable of, the Bears would not have been in a position to win the game in the manor they did. He made poor/late decisions with the ball on numerous plays and had numerous passes that were horrible in placement. If you didnt see that you were not watching the same game I was.
