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Andy's Final Mock-I'm as tired of them as you are. Post yours. (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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I can't look at this anymore...

1. Kansas City - Luke Joeckel - OT - Texas A&M

2. Jacksonville - Dion Jordan - DE - Oregon

3. Oakland - Eric Fisher - OT - Central Michigan

4. Arizona (from Philadelphia) - Lane Johnson - OT - Oklahoma

5. Detroit - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama

6. Cleveland - Ezekiel Ansah - DE - Brigham Young

7. Philadelphia (from Arizona) - Star Lotulelei - DT - Utah

8. Buffalo - Ryan Nassib - QB Syracuse

9. NY Jets - Barkevious Mingo - OLB - LSU

10. Tennessee - Jonathan Cooper - OG - North Carolina

11. San Diego - D.J. Fluker - OT - Alabama

12. St. Louis (from Miami) - Kenny Vaccaro - FS - Texas

13. New York (from Tampa Bay) - D.J. Hayden CB - Houston

14. Carolina - Sharrif Floyd - DT - Florida

15. New Orleans Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia

16. Miami (from St. Louis) - Cornellius Carradine - DE - Florida State

17. Atlanta (from Pittsburgh) - Xavier Rhodes - CB - Florida State

18. Dallas - Sheldon Richardson - DT - Missouri

19. NY Giants - Bjoern Werner - DE - Florida State

20. Chicago - Tavon Austin - WR - West Virginia

21. Cincinnati - Matt Elam - SS - Florida

22. St. Louis (from Washington) - DeAndre Hopkins - WR Clemson

23. Minnesota - Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina

24. Indianapolis - Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama

25. Minnesota (from Seattle) - Arthur Brown - OLB - Kansas State

26. Green Bay - Tyler Eifert - TE - Notre Dame

27. Houston - Justin Hunter - WR Tennessee

28. Denver - Jamar Taylor - CB Boise State

29. New England - Desmond Trufant - CB - Washington

30. Pittsburgh (from Atlanta) - Jonathan Cyprien - SS - Florida International

31. San Francisco - Cordarrelle Patterson - WR - Tennessee

32. Baltimore - Datone Jones - DE UCLA
 
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I wanted to do a full mock, but I guess it's just too much work. I agree that Star could fall to #7 but I see the Raiders moving back for him and Arizona getting Fisher. Also think Floyd goes much higher than 14, possibly to the Eagles at 4. I think Austin will go higher and so will Eifert who won't slip past Chicago I'd wager.

 
Floyd's spot is in a state of flux right now.

Austin could be picked by just about anybody. I almost, almost swung for the fence and put him to Detroit.

Chicago won't take Eifert after signing Martellus Bennett.

 
Not seeing the Rams trading up for Vaccaro. They'll just take BPA at WR/S/OLB/G at 16 and then snag a Cyprien or Elam at 22.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Chicago won't take Eifert after signing Martellus Bennett.
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The dye has been cast. The new wave of multiple pass catching TE's is the future. Eifert is considered by some experts a Gronk clone. No way the Bears pass on that, and especially let that fall to their division rival Packers.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Floyd's spot is in a state of flux right now.

Austin could be picked by just about anybody. I almost, almost swung for the fence and put him to Detroit.

Chicago won't take Eifert after signing Martellus Bennett.
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Perhaps, but I don't think they go offense. My guess is LB (Brown, Ogletree, Teo) unless a top-rated OL drops to them in which they pick up a LB in round 2.

ETA: I can also see the Bears trading down with Atlanta who may want to target Eifert as Gonzo's replacement.

 
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The thing with Austin falling to Chicago is that linebackers can be had much later than playmakers on offense.

I agree that the easy thing is to mock an LB to them 'cuz they NEED three of them, but in this case it can be put off.

 
I know that I went Sheldon Richardson in the group mock, but I suspect Dallas would go Chance Warmack over Richardson. But heh, we'll find out for real in 2 days.

 
The last guard that went in the top 10 was Chis Naeole in 1997. This is not a direct comment on your mock andy, more of a general one. SO many people have mocked either Cooper or Warmack (and sometimes both) very high in the draft. We saw just last year with David DeCastro that the position is not regarded as being that valueable in the NFL. I think both are natural candidates to slip on draft day.

 
Either TT trades up or trades down.

I don't see them going TE in the 1st. Too many glaring needs on Defense, especially on the line and at LB.

Also, no RB's in the 1st?

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I take it you're not buying the noise about Milliner slipping for health reasons.
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Nope. He still missed almost no time at Alabama.
Mr.Pack said:
Either TT trades up or trades down. I don't see them going TE in the 1st. Too many glaring needs on Defense, especially on the line and at LB. Also, no RB's in the 1st?
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No RBs in the first.
William Munny said:
Big drops for Floyd and Warmack.Teo will get picked Thurs
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Floyd has been a bit overhyped. Warmack is a victim of the position he plays. Teo will likely get picked in the 1st. I just cannot put a finger on where.
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Geno at 4 to Philly in previous mock to no Geno in Rd 1? Glad you listened but what a drop
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That's the way of it. Either a team really likes him at the top of the 1st or he makes it past the first five picks where the remaining teams don't really have it fit for him.
 
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Not that you can take much from Spielman's presser yesterday, but I found it interesting that he mentioned looking at 2014 during the draft. Makes me think they could go DE in the first since Robison and Allen are FAs after the season. And with Kevin Williams restructuring and becoming a FA after this year as well, they could go DT and DE in the first.

I am really warming up to A. Brown. Also think the flexibility of Erin Henderson playing inside or outside will let them go best linebacker available, not necessarily an ILB. With the depth of the DT this year, they could bypass that position in the first altogether if they don't have much separation in the players at that position and go that way in the 2nd...hopefully a QB falls and they can move down with one of the picks.

Great work!

 
Andy Dufresne said:
10. Tennessee - Jonathan Cooper - OG - North Carolina

13. New York (from Tampa Bay) - D.J. Hayden CB - Houston

17. Atlanta (from Pittsburgh) - Xavier Rhodes - CB - Florida State

26. Green Bay - Tyler Eifert - TE - Notre Dame
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Ever since I took Rhodes in our Mock for Tennessee, I've become more convinced that they take Cooper.

I do think Rhodes is a better corner than Hayden, more physical anyway, but frankly I'm not sure how their scheme fits either one.

Eifert to the Packers is downright scary. Could become the top pick in dynasty leagues.

 
Curious how Buffalo fans are feeling about the possible drafting of Nassib at 8.

Seems that they are one of very few teams that have him ranked that high and would be passing up much more talented players to reach for him......seems a bad situation .

A "miss" on a pick like Nassib would set them back years.

 
Wu-banger said:
Curious how Buffalo fans are feeling about the possible drafting of Nassib at 8.Seems that they are one of very few teams that have him ranked that high and would be passing up much more talented players to reach for him......seems a bad situation .A "miss" on a pick like Nassib would set them back years.
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I'd like to think they would trade down and get Nassib, but in this mock you're right.

 
thanks for taking the time to do this mock draft, Andy.. :thumbup:

would the Jets really trade Revis to get the 13th pick and then select another CB? does it make sense for them to take Geno Smith at 13? you cut Mark Sanchez and roll out Smith as your new franchise QB..gives Jets' fans some excitement..gives the offense some hope..or perhaps Jets go for Eifert at 13? or Lacy? :shrug:

they need playmakers on offense..

 
I think Mingo to the Jets is just about a lock. What to do with the 2nd first is obviously a lot more of a mystery. It's one of about 12 spots in the first 20 picks that could fit for Austin. I really doubt they'd take a QB with it though.

Eifert is a player that teams are going to really regret passing on.

One thing about Te'o and I know it seems silly and probably is but...I wonder if the business side of things will take over and push him out of the 1st. What I'm talking about is jersey sales. I mean, really, who is going to buy a Te'o jersey?

This is the time when doing mock drafts is less fun for us non plugged in guys. I mean really, we're trying to predict the future is what we're doing now and if we could do that then we'd use that talent on something other than mock drafting. Still, it's fun. It's more fun when you're talking about it earlier in the season and using the process to help understand what each team needs and how the new prospects could possibly fill them and who those guys are.

I still maintain that it doesn't seem that hard to be an NFL GM.

 
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I'm hoping Jets go OL/OL.....any chance Copper/Warmack and Fluker are there for Jets 2 picks? Maybe even trade down a bit and grab an extra pick

 
I'd be shocked if the Niners took Patterson after going with AJ Jenkins last year. If they really wanted to add a WR, I think they're a better bet to make a move for Austin. Don't see that happening either though.

 
RUSF18 said:
I'd be shocked if the Niners took Patterson after going with AJ Jenkins last year. If they really wanted to add a WR, I think they're a better bet to make a move for Austin. Don't see that happening either though.
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Considering that they traded for Boldin you shouldn't be shocked that they're looking to upgrade their WR position.

The 49ers traded for Boldin as a short term solution so it shouldn't be surprising that they'd be looking to do something for the long term.

The Jenkins pick isn't looking so good right now and other than Crabtree the cupboard is a bit bare.

 
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Wu-banger said:
Curious how Buffalo fans are feeling about the possible drafting of Nassib at 8. Seems that they are one of very few teams that have him ranked that high and would be passing up much more talented players to reach for him......seems a bad situation . A "miss" on a pick like Nassib would set them back years.
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Both Greg Cosell and Jon Gruden have Nassib as their #1 QB. There are several other draft guys that do as well. He doesn't have a great deep ball, but his velocity on short and intermediate throws is great. He also throws with good anticipation and can "throw guys open." He does a pretty good job with his reads both per and post snap. He also will have a big advantage in already knowing the offensive system. That's a gigantic benefit for a rookie. He's a smart guy too. Syracuse changed their entire offense two days before the season and he had no problem picking it up.He does not have elite athleticism so you won't see big runs for him or as much of the read option as you saw at Syracuse. He has enough to avoid one or two rushers possibly and he can move around in the pocket well, but he's definitely not going to give you that other dimension. Like I said, he doesn't throw the greatest deep ball either. Although arm strength doesn't seem to be the biggest limiting factor there so it's possible that it's correctable. His footwork gets a bit messy at times too and he developed an issue of rolling back and throwing off his back foot when he got into trouble rather than stepping up into the pocket.All in all, I do think that #8 is probably too high for Nassib with some of the questions about his game. But he does have the potential to be a QB that can win you games in the NFL. A "franchise" type QB if you will. I don't think he's an elite QB, but I think he could ultimately give you what Eli Manning gives you. In fact, he reminds me a LOT of Eli when Eli came out. If the Bills think he can become an Eli Manning type QB, then they can't wait until the 2nd round to draft him. It's not worth the risk. If he does become the next Eli, then he's absolutely worth the #8 pick. And there's no way they plan on trading back up into the 1st round. Especially with the Jets having 3 picks ahead of them. If Nassib isn't worth a high first this year, he certainly isn't worth a 2nd this year and a 1st next year in a better draft.All in all, I'm not in love with Nassib, but I can see why the Bills would think he could be an answer at QB. Heck, there were just as many question marks about guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco, Kaepernick, Wilson, Tannehill, etc. Yeah, most of those guys went later in the draft, but this draft is obviously different for a lot of reasons. QB is the most important position by far so it's worth it to take some risk there. And with the new contracts for draft picks, it's not nearly the penalty it once was if you miss.
 
If the Vikes took Ponder at 7, they will fall over themselves grabbing EJ Manuel at the 24 spot or wherever they pick. Just my opinion of course

 
Nice job on Hopkins to the Rams. They are either putting up a forest fire size smoke screen or he is watching the draft from Rams Park.

 
Good stuff, I used yours as a template so might be more similarities than otherwise.

1. Kansas City Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M 2. Jacksonville
Dion Jordan DE Oregon 3. **Arizona (from Oakland)
Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan 4. Philadelphia
Star Lotulelei DT Utah 5. Detroit
Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma 6. Cleveland
Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU 7. **Oakland (from Arizona)
Sharrif Floyd DT Florida 8. **Miami (from Buffalo)
Kenny Vaccaro FS Texas 9. NY Jets
Ezekiel Ansah DE Brigham Young 10. Tennessee
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina 11. San Diego
D.J. Fluker OT Alabama 12. ** St. Louis (from Miami via Buffalo)
Tavon Austin WR West Virginia 13. New York (from Tampa Bay)
Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame 14. Carolina
Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri 15. New Orleans
Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State 16. **Buffalo
Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse 17. Pittsburgh
Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia 18. Dallas
Chance Warmack OG Alabama 19. NY Giants
Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State 20. **Atlanta (from Chicago)
Dee Milliner CB Alabama 21. Cincinnati
Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International 22. **Jacksonville (from Washington via St. Louis)
Geno Smith QB West Virginia 23. Minnesota
Sylvester Williams DT UNC 24. Indianapolis
Alex Okafor DE Texas 25. Minnesota (from Seattle)
DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson 26. Green Bay
Menelik Watson OT Florida State 27. Houston
Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee 28. Denver
D.J. Hayden CB Houston 29. New England
Desmond Trufant CB Washington 30. ** Chicago (from Atlanta)
Kevin Minter LB LSU 31. San Francisco
Datone Jones DE UCLA 32. **Philadelphia (from Baltimore)
E.J. Manuel QB Florida State
** Projected Trade
 
Not bad, but I doubt that Buffalo and Miami would trade with each other and I don't see why the 'Fins would trade up for Vaccaro.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Not bad, but I doubt that Buffalo and Miami would trade with each other and I don't see why the 'Fins would trade up for Vaccaro.
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I know they make unlikely trade partners, I was almost forcing trades because I know there will be more trades in the 1st we just don't know where they are.

My basis for trading up for Vaccaro is that if the Dolphins want him they might not want the Jets to have a chance at #9 and Buffalo is just looking to trade down. So probably unlikely the actual trade goes down, but was just trying to get players in the right area to reasonable teams.

eta: 2nd instance of "trades" in 2nd sentence

 
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I really hope the Raiders are able to trade down and land a 2nd round pick to lessen the pain of the Palmer trade. If they don't trade down, I like the Fisher pick. With Veldheer and Fisher as bookends and Wiz they have the makings of a stout OL going forward.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Wu-banger said:
Curious how Buffalo fans are feeling about the possible drafting of Nassib at 8.Seems that they are one of very few teams that have him ranked that high and would be passing up much more talented players to reach for him......seems a bad situation .A "miss" on a pick like Nassib would set them back years.
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Both Greg Cosell and Jon Gruden have Nassib as their #1 QB. There are several other draft guys that do as well. He doesn't have a great deep ball, but his velocity on short and intermediate throws is great. He also throws with good anticipation and can "throw guys open." He does a pretty good job with his reads both per and post snap. He also will have a big advantage in already knowing the offensive system. That's a gigantic benefit for a rookie. He's a smart guy too. Syracuse changed their entire offense two days before the season and he had no problem picking it up.He does not have elite athleticism so you won't see big runs for him or as much of the read option as you saw at Syracuse. He has enough to avoid one or two rushers possibly and he can move around in the pocket well, but he's definitely not going to give you that other dimension. Like I said, he doesn't throw the greatest deep ball either. Although arm strength doesn't seem to be the biggest limiting factor there so it's possible that it's correctable. His footwork gets a bit messy at times too and he developed an issue of rolling back and throwing off his back foot when he got into trouble rather than stepping up into the pocket.All in all, I do think that #8 is probably too high for Nassib with some of the questions about his game. But he does have the potential to be a QB that can win you games in the NFL. A "franchise" type QB if you will. I don't think he's an elite QB, but I think he could ultimately give you what Eli Manning gives you. In fact, he reminds me a LOT of Eli when Eli came out. If the Bills think he can become an Eli Manning type QB, then they can't wait until the 2nd round to draft him. It's not worth the risk. If he does become the next Eli, then he's absolutely worth the #8 pick. And there's no way they plan on trading back up into the 1st round. Especially with the Jets having 3 picks ahead of them. If Nassib isn't worth a high first this year, he certainly isn't worth a 2nd this year and a 1st next year in a better draft.All in all, I'm not in love with Nassib, but I can see why the Bills would think he could be an answer at QB. Heck, there were just as many question marks about guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco, Kaepernick, Wilson, Tannehill, etc. Yeah, most of those guys went later in the draft, but this draft is obviously different for a lot of reasons. QB is the most important position by far so it's worth it to take some risk there. And with the new contracts for draft picks, it's not nearly the penalty it once was if you miss.
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So ...all in all , as a Bills fan you would not love the pick , but understand it....?

 
I don't see a great way around it, but I don't really like basing it entirely on whether it's a "fit" for each team. We already know Geno isn't falling out of the 1st. If he even gets close to that far, 1 of the many trades will find him a home.

I see almost no chance the Patriots draft 29 or the Ravens draft 32, so that is 2 spots right there that could stop the slide for the QBs and RBs.

Unrelated- this mock is a dream scenerio for Carolina. I think they're dying to see Floyd or Austin make it.

 
cheese said:
I don't see a great way around it, but I don't really like basing it entirely on whether it's a "fit" for each team. We already know Geno isn't falling out of the 1st. If he even gets close to that far, 1 of the many trades will find him a home.

I see almost no chance the Patriots draft 29 or the Ravens draft 32, so that is 2 spots right there that could stop the slide for the QBs and RBs.

Unrelated- this mock is a dream scenerio for Carolina. I think they're dying to see Floyd or Austin make it.
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I don't think we know that. I just don't.

 
Wu-banger said:
GroveDiesel said:
Wu-banger said:
Curious how Buffalo fans are feeling about the possible drafting of Nassib at 8.Seems that they are one of very few teams that have him ranked that high and would be passing up much more talented players to reach for him......seems a bad situation .A "miss" on a pick like Nassib would set them back years.
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Both Greg Cosell and Jon Gruden have Nassib as their #1 QB. There are several other draft guys that do as well. He doesn't have a great deep ball, but his velocity on short and intermediate throws is great. He also throws with good anticipation and can "throw guys open." He does a pretty good job with his reads both per and post snap. He also will have a big advantage in already knowing the offensive system. That's a gigantic benefit for a rookie. He's a smart guy too. Syracuse changed their entire offense two days before the season and he had no problem picking it up.He does not have elite athleticism so you won't see big runs for him or as much of the read option as you saw at Syracuse. He has enough to avoid one or two rushers possibly and he can move around in the pocket well, but he's definitely not going to give you that other dimension. Like I said, he doesn't throw the greatest deep ball either. Although arm strength doesn't seem to be the biggest limiting factor there so it's possible that it's correctable. His footwork gets a bit messy at times too and he developed an issue of rolling back and throwing off his back foot when he got into trouble rather than stepping up into the pocket.All in all, I do think that #8 is probably too high for Nassib with some of the questions about his game. But he does have the potential to be a QB that can win you games in the NFL. A "franchise" type QB if you will. I don't think he's an elite QB, but I think he could ultimately give you what Eli Manning gives you. In fact, he reminds me a LOT of Eli when Eli came out. If the Bills think he can become an Eli Manning type QB, then they can't wait until the 2nd round to draft him. It's not worth the risk. If he does become the next Eli, then he's absolutely worth the #8 pick. And there's no way they plan on trading back up into the 1st round. Especially with the Jets having 3 picks ahead of them. If Nassib isn't worth a high first this year, he certainly isn't worth a 2nd this year and a 1st next year in a better draft.All in all, I'm not in love with Nassib, but I can see why the Bills would think he could be an answer at QB. Heck, there were just as many question marks about guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco, Kaepernick, Wilson, Tannehill, etc. Yeah, most of those guys went later in the draft, but this draft is obviously different for a lot of reasons. QB is the most important position by far so it's worth it to take some risk there. And with the new contracts for draft picks, it's not nearly the penalty it once was if you miss.
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So ...all in all , as a Bills fan you would not love the pick , but understand it....?
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Pretty much. QB is the most important position in the NFL and the Bills clearly need one. Nassib has work to be done but he does have the tools to be an elite QB. Do I wish they could be drafting him at 20 instead of 8? Sure, but that's not where they pick and he's likely to be gone by their pick in the second round. I'd rather them take Nassib at 8 than Warmack like some are mocking to them. Guards aren't nearly as valuable and good ones can be drafted in later rounds. What my preference is, outside of trading down, is taking one of Jordan/Mingo/Jones or even Tavon Austin at 8 and then if there is one of Smith/Nassib/Barkley/Manuel in the 2nd taking one of them there. But I think the Bills only see 2 of those guys as good potential starters in the NFL and they won't be willing to risk both of those guys being there.
 
Tanner9919 said:
thanks for taking the time to do this mock draft, Andy.. :thumbup:

would the Jets really trade Revis to get the 13th pick and then select another CB? does it make sense for them to take Geno Smith at 13? you cut Mark Sanchez and roll out Smith as your new franchise QB..gives Jets' fans some excitement..gives the offense some hope..or perhaps Jets go for Eifert at 13? or Lacy? :shrug:

they need playmakers on offense..
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You could make an arguement they moved Revis for a CB because of the money Revis desired. No doubt they have cap issues and moving him would clear some space.

I do see a good possibility the Jets take Austin with one of their picks as that offense struggled last year. I know Sanchez is not a Pro Bowl QB, but look at the offense he had to work with. Those WR were ugly.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
cheese said:
I don't see a great way around it, but I don't really like basing it entirely on whether it's a "fit" for each team. We already know Geno isn't falling out of the 1st. If he even gets close to that far, 1 of the many trades will find him a home.

I see almost no chance the Patriots draft 29 or the Ravens draft 32, so that is 2 spots right there that could stop the slide for the QBs and RBs.

Unrelated- this mock is a dream scenerio for Carolina. I think they're dying to see Floyd or Austin make it.
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I don't think we know that. I just don't.
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I think the fact that teams get to extend the contract on first round picks one more year makes it more likely that Geno goes in the first. It would give any team 1 more year to develop him before having to commit big dollars. If you are going to take a chance on him, you want to take a first round chance to gain as many cheap years on his deal as you can.Nothing helps your salary cap like a cheap QB.

 
Johnny Bing said:
Tanner9919 said:
thanks for taking the time to do this mock draft, Andy.. :thumbup:

would the Jets really trade Revis to get the 13th pick and then select another CB? does it make sense for them to take Geno Smith at 13? you cut Mark Sanchez and roll out Smith as your new franchise QB..gives Jets' fans some excitement..gives the offense some hope..or perhaps Jets go for Eifert at 13? or Lacy? :shrug:

they need playmakers on offense..
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You could make an arguement they moved Revis for a CB because of the money Revis desired. No doubt they have cap issues and moving him would clear some space.

I do see a good possibility the Jets take Austin with one of their picks as that offense struggled last year. I know Sanchez is not a Pro Bowl QB, but look at the offense he had to work with. Those WR were ugly.
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Agreed, their three options were the following.

1. pay Revis 16 million per

2. Lose him for nothing after this year

3. Trade him for a 1st and a 3/4 next year.

Once that decision is made, that decision is over. They now move onto a new decision in what to do with the newly acquired 13th pick. That is independent of Revis, and depends on talent and need.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
They took Ponder at 12. And that has nothing to do with taking Manuel at any pick.

Your opinion is what it normally is.
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You're right, it wasn't Minnesota. it was Buffalo about 7 picks ahead. I felt like Manuel was going to be a prize for someone. I like the effort you put into this, you had a lot of the picks right.

 
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