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I stopped midway on page 2.

To simplify, your family was not welcomed back to the league over a dispute for like $12? 

Was it both families, or just yours?

 
Henry Ford said:
Jesus, when did soccer get to be like The Voice?  How many seasons per year?
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lolz....2 seasons.  9 years.  Also 5 seasons of basketball, 3 seasons of little league (assistant coach only; brutal....absolutely brutal) and a season of flag football.  No decals.  Feel like this needs to change.

 
If you spend this much time trying to belittle someone, your life is probably as sad as you think theirs is.  

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I stopped midway on page 2.

To simplify, your family was not welcomed back to the league over a dispute for like $12? 

Was it both families, or just yours?
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Just mine, the other lady just so happened to be a Sunday School teacher.  The minute I told them I don't go to church, everyone started looking at us different.  I told them I followed Joel Olsteen on Twitter, and went to Catholic School, but they weren't amused.  Screw them all, I got you guys!

 
Quez said:
Just mine, the other lady just so happened to be a Sunday School teacher.  The minute I told them I don't go to church, everyone started looking at us different.  I told them I followed Joel Olsteen on Twitter, and went to Catholic School, but they weren't amused.  Screw them all, I got you guys!
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Can you post a link to the decals

 
Quez said:
It had to do with my wife having a sign up sheet for people who wanted car decals made.  She fronted the money, and one parent said they didn't want it.  Mrs. Quez went all gheto on her, and since it was a church league they didn't appreciate it.
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this is awesome.

 
Henry Ford said:
Oh, no, I got the 4-year degree as a springboard to my post-graduate degree.  On its own a philosophy degree is worthless, but as a springboard to law school it's fantastic.  
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I thought you were gonna say party planning and fund-raising management.    

 
This thread has the making of an all time great. It started slow, but it is getting crazy really fast. Please tell us you are going to dress in disguises next year so you can continue to go to the soccer games. 

 
Ren Ho3k said:
If you spend this much time trying to belittle someone, your life is probably as sad as you think theirs is.  
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I agree. The first word that came to mind is "cruel." 

I don't know what path some of the people in here walk, but I don't want to be on it.  

 
General Malaise said:
You don't think Quez is being cruel to the family of a dead man begging people to stop with the nonsense?  I do.  
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He's not directly insulting their life and they don't know what he's doing on this blog. No harm, no foul. 

Look, I wasn't really necessarily talking about you. If I'm not mistaken, somebody hunted this thread down, bumped it, and everybody piled on. 

I generally avoid the Trump threads like the plague because they're really bringing out the worst in people. Much like people find it impossible not to judge me for my past intoxicated postings, so I'm also having a hard time separating you guys from the ugly rhetoric and behavior I've seen. 

Does that sound weird and drunk, or do I sound lucid and cogent right now?  

 
And I think I should be clearer so that my point is made, and it's going to be flinty and unsparing. 

When I see someone who believes in conspiracy theories and has lost four jobs in a short period of time and obviously has issues in a soccer youth league, my first instinct is not to sit around making complete sport of that person, because generally I think, "that person might have troubles of some sort." That may be cruel to Quez, but I don't think so. I'm not sure he needs defending. He might be fine. But it sounds like there are issues there.

Here's my rub: The last thing I do in that situation is think, "Wow. Wouldn't it be a great idea to kick that person while he's down. What a hoot! Let's find his troubles and dredge them up from the ether and rip on him." Because that sounds like an ungenerous and small thing to do. 

Now, there may be a million people in support of it, and a million justifications, but it has the faint whiff of those football players that sodomized a ######ed girl with a broomstick. It's just that impulse, writ large and magnified.

And I said an innocent thing in defense and you ripped my obvious issue. You sound like a well fella, bro. I'm not losing sleep over losing any kindness from you, that's for sure.  

Good day.  

 
rockaction said:
He's not directly insulting their life and they don't know what he's doing on this blog. No harm, no foul. 

Look, I wasn't really necessarily talking about you. If I'm not mistaken, somebody hunted this thread down, bumped it, and everybody piled on. 

I generally avoid the Trump threads like the plague because they're really bringing out the worst in people. Much like people find it impossible not to judge me for my past intoxicated postings, so I'm also having a hard time separating you guys from the ugly rhetoric and behavior I've seen. 

Does that sound weird and drunk, or do I sound lucid and cogent right now?  
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You just sound like you want to pick a fight with me.  Why?  What have I ever done to you?  How was I cruel to Quez? Asking why he was banned from youth soccer?  Okay, sorry, Quez. Better?  

 
rockaction said:
And I think I should be clearer so that my point is made, and it's going to be flinty and unsparing. 

When I see someone who believes in conspiracy theories and has lost four jobs in a short period of time and obviously has issues in a soccer youth league, my first instinct is not to sit around making complete sport of that person, because generally I think, "that person might have troubles of some sort." That may be cruel to Quez, but I don't think so. I'm not sure he needs defending. He might be fine. But it sounds like there are issues there.

Here's my rub: The last thing I do in that situation is think, "Wow. Wouldn't it be a great idea to kick that person while he's down. What a hoot! Let's find his troubles and dredge them up from the ether and rip on him." Because that sounds like an ungenerous and small thing to do. 

Now, there may be a million people in support of it, and a million justifications, but it has the faint whiff of those football players that sodomized a ######ed girl with a broomstick. It's just that impulse, writ large and magnified.

And I said an innocent thing in defense and you ripped my obvious issue. You sound like a well fella, bro. I'm not losing sleep over losing any kindness from you, that's for sure.  

Good day.  
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Good Lord....you just might be overthinking, well, everything.  Especially this.  

 
rockaction said:
Quite possibly, but that's the last thing I'm going to say about some of the behavior I've seen around here.  
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I don't own the mental fireworks to do battle with you.  I rubbed you wrong, I am sorry.  I didn't wade into this thread to be cruel; I just couldn't wrap my head around a blackball from youth soccer over decals.  But since you're commenting on behavior, I would like to know your thoughts on the Seth Rich thread because I find that far more abhorrent than what's in here.  Especially after the man's family asked peoole to stop.  My two cents.

 
General Malaise said:
I don't own the mental fireworks to do battle with you.  I rubbed you wrong, I am sorry.  I didn't wade into this thread to be cruel; I just couldn't wrap my head around a blackball from youth soccer over decals.  But since you're commenting on behavior, I would like to know your thoughts on the Seth Rich thread because I find that far more abhorrent than what's in here.  Especially after the man's family asked peoole to stop.  My two cents.
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Yeah, you do. C'mon...

Let's get that out of the way. 

I am very conflicted about the Seth Rich thread because a million people are discussing it in other venues and his family will never see it. Like I said, a Seth Rich thread at FBG is likely never to be seen or heard by the family and it seems to me like there is no harm suffered by the family, ergo, no foul. But he was murdered, and generally we're sensitive to the families of people that are murdered. Do I question the motive of certain media figures and outlets that are cynically and without evidence discussing the possibility of the Clintons being behind it? Yes. I abhor it, and those that disseminate that kind of information can fob off as far as I'm concerned. But what Quez was doing was a little different both in intent and in scope than what they're doing. They're cynically trading on this guy's death for political gain. And they have an audience. Quez is Quez and has no audience, frankly.  There's a different standard there. 

But wait, there's an on the other hand about sensitivity to the family, and here's where it gets conflicted and confusing.  Rich was also a public figure and it's public news, as tragic as that is. It reminds me of the case where the guy that saved Gerald Ford's life during an assassination attempt was outed as gay by a publication that found out he frequented bath houses. Here's a hero who saved the President's life, and he lost his family, friends, and became a depressed alcoholic who drank himself to death in the subsequent years because of the shame and scorn he suffered. Which sounds like a digression, but isn't. Seth Rich, by working for the DNC and becoming a murder victim, became a public figure by any legal sense of the word, and really, by any professional sense of the word as American jurisprudence sees it. His family, sad though it may be, does not own his rights anymore once he chose that profession and once the events unfolded. We've decided that as a society, rightly or wrongly. His family just doesn't own his privacy rights anymore like my family would own mine (actually, they wouldn't, but that's another story for another day) or yours would own yours. All they can do is ask politely, which they have. 

Which brings me to the end of my discursive little writing. I think we ought to honor their wishes. The evidence is so scant and dubious as to warrant dropping the issue and letting law enforcement do their freaking job. As for the thread, if you'll notice, I tried to turn that thread into figuring out why people believe conspiracy theories, the dangers of editorializing in the news, and also discussing fake news as opposed to real news. I of course did it with a partisan bent, but I am partisan. But really I swamped the damn thread because discussing these conspiracy theories is counterproductive to, well, anything really. 

And that's how I feel about it. 

I also wouldn't sweat the other stuff. I see somebody I think has troubles getting made sport of, and sometimes I jump my place and have an instinct to protect when the person might not need my help at all. White knighting, as it were. My apologies in return. 

Peace, 

RA

 
@rockaction

I think there's more of a disconnect here than intention to be cruel.  I see it a lot on this board, as I'm sure you do, too.  Most of the posters I like on this board, and that includes GM, aren't really out to hurt someone. It's more of a locker room hazing. No, Quez isn't a guy I'd call up to have a beer with, but if he was sitting next to me at a bar and started chatting me up about the things he talks about, I'd probably react similarly to how GM does. 

I don't think (and I don't think GM thinks) that Quez is some irredeemable horrifying human being. But when someone's discussing things that legitimately make me angry, like the conspiracy theories that really mess with people's heads or lives, I can ignore it, argue strongly against it, or enter "razz this guy until we come to detente or hate each other" mode. Usually it ends up being detente. And that's because that's how a lot of guys (especially my age) decide they can interact. 

"I obviously cannot seriously debate politics with you because we live in different factual worlds. So what I can do, in time honored guy tradition, is mock-argue with each other and get out aggression with each other that way."

I'm not sure it's healthy or a good idea or anything, but I don't see GM trying to be cruel - rather finding an acceptable interaction point with each other. 

I could be way off base, but it's how I've viewed it.  Obviously anyone intending to be cruel is acting wrongly. But needling back and forth as a sort of way to interact without actually having to try to wrap one's head around someone you can't understand? Certainly comes off mean sometimes I'm sure, but I don't think GM means to. 

 
rockaction said:
And I think I should be clearer so that my point is made, and it's going to be flinty and unsparing. 

When I see someone who believes in conspiracy theories and has lost four jobs in a short period of time and obviously has issues in a soccer youth league, my first instinct is not to sit around making complete sport of that person, because generally I think, "that person might have troubles of some sort." That may be cruel to Quez, but I don't think so. I'm not sure he needs defending. He might be fine. But it sounds like there are issues there.

Here's my rub: The last thing I do in that situation is think, "Wow. Wouldn't it be a great idea to kick that person while he's down. What a hoot! Let's find his troubles and dredge them up from the ether and rip on him." Because that sounds like an ungenerous and small thing to do. 

Now, there may be a million people in support of it, and a million justifications, but it has the faint whiff of those football players that sodomized a ######ed girl with a broomstick. It's just that impulse, writ large and magnified.

And I said an innocent thing in defense and you ripped my obvious issue. You sound like a well fella, bro. I'm not losing sleep over losing any kindness from you, that's for sure.  

Good day.  
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A) I don't think anyone here sincerely wishes ill upon Quez.

B)  He repeatedly said he's fine.  You denying this could lead someone to reasonably conclude you are disregarding his own agency, which is more insulting than any ribbing done here, in my opinion.

 
General Malaise said:
I don't own the mental fireworks to do battle with you.  I rubbed you wrong, I am sorry.  I didn't wade into this thread to be cruel; I just couldn't wrap my head around a blackball from youth soccer over decals.  But since you're commenting on behavior, I would like to know your thoughts on the Seth Rich thread because I find that far more abhorrent than what's in here.  Especially after the man's family asked peoole to stop.  My two cents.
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Neither could I.... until he told them he doesn't go to church and it's a church league. 

I don't know much about Quez as I apparently don't frequent the threads he does... so maybe he is insane... but even a perfectly sane coach is going to lose his job in a church league if he admits he doesn't go to church. The decals were probably just the church members way of covering up their hatred of non-believers. 

 
Dedfin said:
A) I don't think anyone here sincerely wishes ill upon Quez.

B)  He repeatedly said he's fine.  You denying this could lead someone to reasonably conclude you are disregarding his own agency, which is more insulting than any ribbing done here, in my opinion.
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Exactly. I brought that up twice, if you'll notice. I said, this may be...

I didn't see him say he was fine before I wrote what I wrote.  

 
General Malaise said:
He says while belitting others...
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Dredging up an old thread to insult someone about their personal lives is about as low as it gets.  It's rotten and beneath all of us.  It just is.  This board is already cynical enough as it is.  

You know, we used to share pictures of ourselves with each other and if a personal detail or two slipped, it wasn't a big deal.  I appreciate people posting about their personal lives and being open.  Those are always far and away the most interesting, engaging topics.  This sort of behavior kills that.  It kills honest expression and drives a wedge.  These political threads are just so toxic anymore and as one of the forum's most popular contributors I wish you would have the decency to attack the argument over the person.  

I know Quez is sticking to his guns and deadending here.  That's no excuse to tee off on him the way people have.  Leave it be and chances are the threads will die their rightful death.  Just my two pennies 

 
Henry Ford said:
@rockaction

I think there's more of a disconnect here than intention to be cruel.  I see it a lot on this board, as I'm sure you do, too.  Most of the posters I like on this board, and that includes GM, aren't really out to hurt someone. It's more of a locker room hazing. No, Quez isn't a guy I'd call up to have a beer with, but if he was sitting next to me at a bar and started chatting me up about the things he talks about, I'd probably react similarly to how GM does. 

I don't think (and I don't think GM thinks) that Quez is some irredeemable horrifying human being. But when someone's discussing things that legitimately make me angry, like the conspiracy theories that really mess with people's heads or lives, I can ignore it, argue strongly against it, or enter "razz this guy until we come to detente or hate each other" mode. Usually it ends up being detente. And that's because that's how a lot of guys (especially my age) decide they can interact. 

"I obviously cannot seriously debate politics with you because we live in different factual worlds. So what I can do, in time honored guy tradition, is mock-argue with each other and get out aggression with each other that way."

I'm not sure it's healthy or a good idea or anything, but I don't see GM trying to be cruel - rather finding an acceptable interaction point with each other. 

I could be way off base, but it's how I've viewed it.  Obviously anyone intending to be cruel is acting wrongly. But needling back and forth as a sort of way to interact without actually having to try to wrap one's head around someone you can't understand? Certainly comes off mean sometimes I'm sure, but I don't think GM means to. 
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I think I agree with most of your assessment about how guys interact, especially older guys. I appreciate the post and the thoughtfulness, as always. But I'm about GMs age. Even that said, my main problem wasn't GM, I was responding to what he said in response to Ren. What my main problem was is what Ren just said: Digging up this old thread to embarrass someone. It just reeked of punitive sentiment in response to Quez's threads. Now, I'm reading the title change this morning about Seth Rich and the avatar change and I'm wondering whether this was worth it, but I think this "razzing" is worth addressing because these threads have gotten really personal, and really toxic. You have this thread. You have people trying to extort weird sort of admissions that reek of old-time loyalty oaths. Personal attacks on the owner of the site to where he shuts down the political threads. You have tim saying you must necessarily be fundamentally "dishonest" if you support Trump. 

This is horse#### thinking, and horse#### means of going about it, and I'm going to say something and keep saying it because it makes this entire board toxic.  

 
rockaction said:
Exactly. I brought that up twice, if you'll notice. I said, this may be...

I didn't see him say he was fine before I wrote what I wrote.  
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I noticed:

I'm not sure he needs defending. He might be fine.
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But you dismissed that idea; the dismissal was the theme of your post.  He said he was fine back on page 2.  Anyway, this is getting granular, so I'm letting it go.  Maybe you are right about all this stuff?

 
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