Another school shooting (2 Viewers)

[iamsmilin]

There are no words to describe how sickening this is. I have a child I just dropped off at school and this just brings me to tears. I feel so badly for those parents.

 

[BigJohn]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

But only one of them pulls the trigger and pushes the controller buttons.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Behavioral meds seem to be a common theme in these things and I'd be willing to put them ahead of the other 3.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

CoD, Battlefield, Halo, etc. sell the vast majority of their games in America.These games barely make a dent in Japan (and Xbox 360s aren't even sold there as there wasn't a market for them).

Not agreeing with the thought that video games are part of the problem necessarily, just saying that the kind of violent, gun video games that would be what he is referencing are pretty much only in America at high levels.

 

[shader]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

true. I don't have the answers for sure as to why mass shootings seem to happen more in the US than other countries.

 

[R Dizzle]

How anyone could harm such innocence is beyond me. I know nothing can heal the hurt those suffering through this but I hope and pray that everyone involved will pull through emotionally and mentally.

It's ashame reading some of the insensitive comments on here.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

true. I don't have the answers for sure as to why mass shootings seem to happen more in the US than other countries.

It's really not that hard to figure out.

 

[Limp Ditka]

20 sounds too young to be a father.

Because teenagers are incapable of having kids?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

true. I don't have the answers for sure as to why mass shootings seem to happen more in the US than other countries.

are mass shootings different than suicide bombings or other bombs?

 

[saintsfan]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

People need to have some damn respect for the kids that were killed here...

 

[Apple Jack]

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Behavioral meds seem to be a common theme in these things and I'd be willing to put them ahead of the other 3.

The behavioral meds tend to be given to people who are emotionally/psychologically unstable to begin with.

 

[Jewell]

How anyone could harm such innocence is beyond me.

I feel the same. Theoretically, all life is worth the same, but it hits me so much harder when innocent children are massacred. It's the most ##### ### bull#### that a sorry excuse of a human could do, IMHO.

 

[BigJohn]

OMFG. This was a Kindergarten class. No. Jesus.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I can't even imagine sending my kindergartner to school a week before Christmas and getting a call that some psycho shot and killed her. Just heartbreaking.

 

[R Dizzle]

Zeff needs to be escorted out the front door of this thread and forum.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Behavioral meds seem to be a common theme in these things and I'd be willing to put them ahead of the other 3.

The behavioral meds tend to be given to people who are emotionally/psychologically unstable to begin with.

And when they get off of them......We stopped trying to have people control themselves. Pills fix everything.

 

[shader]

OMFG. This was a Kindergarten class. No. Jesus.

unbelievable.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

AP is also now reporting 27 dead. :(

This is only 40 miles from me. News conference coming soon.

 

[Apple Jack]

20 sounds too young to be a father.

Because teenagers are incapable of having kids?

In an elementary school? Obviously it's possible, but not likely. My point is more that these things tend to be reported fast and recklessly. Not a big deal I guess and certainly doesn't change anything.

 

[iamsmilin]

I can't even imagine sending my kindergartner to school a week before Christmas and getting a call that some psycho shot and killed her. Just heartbreaking.

Jesus. I am having the irrational thought of running to my kids school and taking him home for the day.

 

[R Dizzle]

How anyone could harm such innocence is beyond me.

I feel the same. Theoretically, all life is worth the same, but it hits me so much harder when innocent children are massacred. It's the most ##### ### bull#### that a sorry excuse of a human could do, IMHO.

Yep, unbelievable. I would trade my life for any young child. I really can't understand any human being cannot feel close to the same way.

 

[gigantor]

disgusting and so sad.

 

[RBM]

I'm sick to my stomach here....just no words to describe this

 

[Henry Ford]

I can't even imagine sending my kindergartner to school a week before Christmas and getting a call that some psycho shot and killed her. Just heartbreaking.

Jesus. I am having the irrational thought of running to my kids school and taking him home for the day.

It's okay to be irrational about your kids sometimes. But it would probably freak your kid out more than it would make you feel better.

 

[Ned]

As a parent of 2 young boys, this is just too much to fathom.

Shame on you guys for some of the comments flying around here. Grow up.

 

[Uwe Blab]

OMFG. This was a Kindergarten class. No. Jesus.

No ####### words... Haven't felt this sick to my stomach in 11 years. ####.

 

[BigJohn]

20 sounds too young to be a father.

Because teenagers are incapable of having kids?

In an elementary school? Obviously it's possible, but not likely. My point is more that these things tend to be reported fast and recklessly. Not a big deal I guess and certainly doesn't change anything.

My daughter was 5 in Kindergarten last year. 15 year olds have babies every day.

 

[flapgreen]

I've never felt so sick in my life.

 

[ATC1]

This is an interesting point. Are teaches and pricipals allowed to carry guns in school?

In some places, yes. Interesting and short read. I'd have never guessed.

Huge advocate for this. I bring it up and get shot down pretty quickly around here. We should really consider this as a nation. But that is for another discussion. We need an Official gun control debate thread so we can stick with the updates on the individual incidents separately.

 

[Socrates11]

I can't even imagine sending my kindergartner to school a week before Christmas and getting a call that some psycho shot and killed her. Just heartbreaking.

Jesus. I am having the irrational thought of running to my kids school and taking him home for the day.

Same here.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

People need to have some damn respect for the kids that were killed here...

In fairness to many of the arguments in this thread (save zeff's despicable remark), just because they're wanting to debate gun laws or whatever else doesn't mean they're not respecting the kids. Thinking you cannot talk about the possibly actions that caused this incident for x period of time is a bit silly. We're not going to the school where this happened and having a debate. It's an internet message board.

 

[Judge Smails]

This, Columbine, and the Norway shooting of 80 at a summer camp. How much of this stuff happened in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's???

We'll always have domestic issues, drugs wars, even workplace homicides where somebody gets fired and wants to get back at their bosses. But how do these teens or young twenty-somethings get to a place where they want to murder scores of innocent kids?

 

[Doug B]

The shooter could've pretended to be a parent to get access to the building, and that may be causing some confusion. There was supposed to be an external locking system in place that the shooter somehow defeated ... we'll be hearing more about that in the near future.

...

Got two kids in elementary school, and I know that it would be really easy for anyone to walk in off the street at either one of them. I wish elementary schools didn't have to have federal-building levels of protection ... but man, I don't know.

 

[Apple Jack]

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Behavioral meds seem to be a common theme in these things and I'd be willing to put them ahead of the other 3.

The behavioral meds tend to be given to people who are emotionally/psychologically unstable to begin with.

And when they get off of them......We stopped trying to have people control themselves. Pills fix everything.

Are some put on medication who shouldn't be? Of course. But that doesn't mean that millions don't benefit greatly from psychiatric medication.

 

[Mister CIA]

CBS continuing to hint a second gunman might be involved.

 

[Billy Bats]

####### sickening report on CNN right now on what transpired. Admins were in a meeting when the shots rang out, she said 3 people went out in the hall to investigate, only 1 returned crawling to the office and was shot in the foot or leg. The other 2 were the principal and school psychiatrist who are presumed dead.

 

[shader]

Also thoughts and prayers to the poor policemen, coroners and medical staff who are there. This is happening in a small town apparently where I doubt they ever see much of anything...

Seeing 18 dead kindergarten kids......i can't even fathom what kind of damage that would do to anyone that has to see that.

 

[saintsfan]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

People need to have some damn respect for the kids that were killed here...

In fairness to many of the arguments in this thread (save zeff's despicable remark), just because they're wanting to debate gun laws or whatever else doesn't mean they're not respecting the kids. Thinking you cannot talk about the possibly actions that caused this incident for x period of time is a bit silly. We're not going to the school where this happened and having a debate. It's an internet message board.

Fine, IMO while it's going on is not the time. Just my opinion...

 

[Run It Up]

This is an interesting point. Are teaches and pricipals allowed to carry guns in school?

In some places, yes. Interesting and short read. I'd have never guessed.

Huge advocate for this. I bring it up and get shot down pretty quickly around here. We should really consider this as a nation. But that is for another discussion. We need an Official gun control debate thread so we can stick with the updates on the individual incidents separately.

Here where I live in Missouri they have a squad car posted at every school every day - in addition to security guards who do not carry firearms.

 

[zDragon]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

CoD, Battlefield, Halo, etc. sell the vast majority of their games in America.These games barely make a dent in Japan (and Xbox 360s aren't even sold there as there wasn't a market for them).

Not agreeing with the thought that video games are part of the problem necessarily, just saying that the kind of violent, gun video games that would be what he is referencing are pretty much only in America at high levels.

While the sales are abysmal the PS3 is sold there and very popular. Every major shooting game, except Halo, is available on that unit.

 

[Sheriff66]

I'll never understand why people do this...

 

[Ned]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

People need to have some damn respect for the kids that were killed here...

In fairness to many of the arguments in this thread (save zeff's despicable remark), just because they're wanting to debate gun laws or whatever else doesn't mean they're not respecting the kids. Thinking you cannot talk about the possibly actions that caused this incident for x period of time is a bit silly. We're not going to the school where this happened and having a debate. It's an internet message board.

Fine, IMO while it's going on is not the time. Just my opinion...

Dr. Awesome is right if we knew everyone would handle the discussion like an actual adult, but we know that won't happen here. Pretty sure that's why everyone's saying 'save it'.

 

[shadyridr]

At least the columbine kids had a sliver of chance of defending themselves or even running away and hiding. How do you shoot kindergarten kids who are basically sitting ducks? Im having a hard time comprehend how anyone can be so evil.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

CBS continuing to hint a second gunman might be involved.

WItnesses apparently saw an adult being led away in handcuffs, but it has not ben confirmed that there was or, if so, the reason.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

CoD, Battlefield, Halo, etc. sell the vast majority of their games in America.These games barely make a dent in Japan (and Xbox 360s aren't even sold there as there wasn't a market for them).

Not agreeing with the thought that video games are part of the problem necessarily, just saying that the kind of violent, gun video games that would be what he is referencing are pretty much only in America at high levels.

While the sales are abysmal the PS3 is sold there and very popular. Every major shooting game, except Halo, is available on that unit.

but the shootings games aren't. PS3 is a Japanese company and still has quirky Japanese games and RPGs (Square) that sell like crazy in Japan. CoD doesn't sell in Japan.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

The shooter could've pretended to be a parent to get access to the building, and that may be causing some confusion. There was supposed to be an external locking system in place that the shooter somehow defeated ... we'll be hearing more about that in the near future....Got two kids in elementary school, and I know that it would be really easy for anyone to walk in off the street at either one of them. I wish elementary schools didn't have to have federal-building levels of protection ... but man, I don't know.

Yeah, my kid's school also locks the doors but it's pretty easy to get in if you want. And honestly, I think that easy access to a school is desirable in 99.99999% of cases. I don't want schools to be prisons.

 

[Bogeys]

I don't get this stuff. Closed my office door.

 

[iamsmilin]

I can't even imagine sending my kindergartner to school a week before Christmas and getting a call that some psycho shot and killed her. Just heartbreaking.

Jesus. I am having the irrational thought of running to my kids school and taking him home for the day.

It's okay to be irrational about your kids sometimes. But it would probably freak your kid out more than it would make you feel better.

Trust me I know. It's the only thing stopping me from going there now. That and having to explain to him WHY I'm so freaked out.

 

[Neovivo]

Why?

 

[Doug B]

This, Columbine, and the Norway shooting of 80 at a summer camp. How much of this stuff happened in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's???

This is actually a lot longer-standing problem than is commonly realized. Note that the list given is still almost certainly incomplete -- for instance, they show none from 11/8/2005 - 11/30/2012.