flapgreen
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Agreed. Not even checking other places.
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Another school shooting (4 Viewers)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I wish I knew, you give me too much credit there. The facts speak for themselves though. America is a very violent place compared to countries of similar economic and educational levels.
If everyone did that then there would be nothing here.Probably means the FFA isn't breaking the news, just repeating others breaking the news.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
FFA is an amazing place for learning about the happenings of the world. I applaud all the posters and especially the moderators. This is a really cool place. However, Twitter is the best source for breaking news. Nothing can match it.
lod01
Footballguy
Study Switzerland I guess. I think a lot of the countries with less violent crime have a more intelligent population. We are an embarrassingly low tied for 19th.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
No kids here, but I am a teacher and I almost know just how you feel. I spend so much time with these kids, it is physically painful to imagine something like this happening to them.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't even think intelligence (what you really meant was educational level) is related at all. It is more cultural/social.
attaché case
Footballguy
I went on facebook this morning and saw a comment about a shooting. I immediately clicked on my FFA bookmark to get the scoop.
belljr
Footballguy
Here is the teacher interview I was talking about. Diane Sawyer said the only reason she was convinced to do the interview was she wanted the parents and people to know they did everything they could and that they try to care for their students as much as they can
http://abcnews.go.com/US/newtown-teacher-refused-unlock-door-police-fearing-gunmans/story?id=17976299#
Newtown Teacher Refused to Unlock Door for Police Fearing Gunman's Trick
There was so much gunfire rocking the Sandy Hook Elementary school that one teacher doubted that she and her young students, locked in a bathroom, were going to survive.
A third grade student said the kids were so scared she thought she was going to throw up. Another said he hid in a closet.
The gunfire erupted during first grade teacher Kaitlin Roig's morning meeting with her 14 students, what she called "a happy, amazing part of the day."
That day quickly turned into a nightmare.
"Suddenly, I heard rapid fire... like an assault weapon. I knew something was wrong," Roig, 29, told "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer.
"It was horrific," she said. "I didn't think we were going to live."
Alexis Wasik, an 8-year-old third grader, was startled when she heard someone rapidly firing off rounds inside another classroom. At first, she didn't know what was going on, but then she began to hear the sirens wail.
"We heard an ambulance and police officer come and everyone was a little scared crying and I felt actually a little sick and like I was going to throw up," she said. "Kids were crying, not really like screaming, but they were all huddling together. They felt so sick."
It was 9:41 a.m. when the first 911 call came into Connecticut State Police that multiple students at Sandy Hook Elementary School were locked in a classroom with a gunman. Adam Lanza killed 20 students and six adults at the school.
PHOTO: 1st Grade Sandy Hook Teacher Kaitlin Roig was interviewed by Diane Sawyer, Dec. 14, 2012.
When the shooting began, Roig said she quickly got up and closed her classroom door and ushered the children, all aged 6 and 7, into the class bathroom. She helped some climb onto the toilet so they could all fit. Roig said she then pushed a wheeled storage unit in front of the door.
"We all got in there. I locked us in," she said. "I don't know if [the gunman] came in the room... I just told them we have to be absolutely quiet."
"If they started crying, I would take their face and tell them, 'It's going to be OK,'" Roig continued. "I wanted that to be the last thing they heard, not the gunfire in the hall."
Roig said she just tried to stay strong for her students, but she didn't think they would make it out of the classroom alive.
"I thought we were all going to die," she said through tears. "I told the kids I love them and I was so happy they were my students... I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don't believe in prayer" think happy thoughts.
Throughout the ordeal, Roig said her students were being very good and she tried to remain positive for them.
"They asked, 'Can we go see if anyone is out there... I just want Christmas... I don't want to die, I just want to have Christmas," she said.
The gunfire didn't last very long, Roig said, but even when it stopped, she refused to take the kids out of the bathroom. When she heard knocking on the door a little while later, she said heard voices saying they were police officers, but she refused to open the door. Scared it was the gunman trying to lure them out, Roig told them to slide their badges under the bathroom door to prove their identities.
"I didn't believe them," she said. "I told them if they were cops, they could get the key... They did and then unlocked the bathroom."
Students who spoke to ABC News Radio told more stories of teachers who protected them during the shooting rampage. One 9-year-old boy said his class heard "a lot of bangs" and at first they thought a custodian had "knocked stuff down." Then they heard screaming.
"Police came in, said like 'Is he in here?' Then he ran out and then our teacher, somebody, yelled, 'get to a safe place.' So we went to the closet in the gym," the boy said. "The police were like knocking on the door and they're like 'we're evacuating people, we're evacuating people,' so we ran out."
After the police got Roig and her class out of their room, she said she and the children were taken to the nearby fire station, which had been set up as a staging area for parents to come pick up their kids.
That fire house, where Christmas wreaths and poinsettias are for sale, has been turned into a place of grief where frantic parents were either reuniting with their children or learning that their children are dead, or were still waiting for word.
Children stared wide-eyed as they watched state police troopers in body armor, holding raised rifles, quickly rush to secure the scene at their school. Parents said they had never been so panicked. One father, hoping to preserve a semblance of innocence, shielded his son's eyes with his forearm.
Wasik's mother said she found out about a shooting through the school's alert system, which sent her a message about a lockdown, and is still in disbelief.
"It just doesn't seem real," she said. "It feels like a nightmare. You drop your kids at school, hugs and kisses, have a good day, I'll see you later and see you at the end of the day and you never know.. in 20 minutes from now what's going to happen. And you count your blessing everyday for what you have."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/newtown-teacher-refused-unlock-door-police-fearing-gunmans/story?id=17976299#
Newtown Teacher Refused to Unlock Door for Police Fearing Gunman's Trick
There was so much gunfire rocking the Sandy Hook Elementary school that one teacher doubted that she and her young students, locked in a bathroom, were going to survive.
A third grade student said the kids were so scared she thought she was going to throw up. Another said he hid in a closet.
The gunfire erupted during first grade teacher Kaitlin Roig's morning meeting with her 14 students, what she called "a happy, amazing part of the day."
That day quickly turned into a nightmare.
"Suddenly, I heard rapid fire... like an assault weapon. I knew something was wrong," Roig, 29, told "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer.
"It was horrific," she said. "I didn't think we were going to live."
Alexis Wasik, an 8-year-old third grader, was startled when she heard someone rapidly firing off rounds inside another classroom. At first, she didn't know what was going on, but then she began to hear the sirens wail.
"We heard an ambulance and police officer come and everyone was a little scared crying and I felt actually a little sick and like I was going to throw up," she said. "Kids were crying, not really like screaming, but they were all huddling together. They felt so sick."
It was 9:41 a.m. when the first 911 call came into Connecticut State Police that multiple students at Sandy Hook Elementary School were locked in a classroom with a gunman. Adam Lanza killed 20 students and six adults at the school.
PHOTO: 1st Grade Sandy Hook Teacher Kaitlin Roig was interviewed by Diane Sawyer, Dec. 14, 2012.
When the shooting began, Roig said she quickly got up and closed her classroom door and ushered the children, all aged 6 and 7, into the class bathroom. She helped some climb onto the toilet so they could all fit. Roig said she then pushed a wheeled storage unit in front of the door.
"We all got in there. I locked us in," she said. "I don't know if [the gunman] came in the room... I just told them we have to be absolutely quiet."
"If they started crying, I would take their face and tell them, 'It's going to be OK,'" Roig continued. "I wanted that to be the last thing they heard, not the gunfire in the hall."
Roig said she just tried to stay strong for her students, but she didn't think they would make it out of the classroom alive.
"I thought we were all going to die," she said through tears. "I told the kids I love them and I was so happy they were my students... I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don't believe in prayer" think happy thoughts.
Throughout the ordeal, Roig said her students were being very good and she tried to remain positive for them.
"They asked, 'Can we go see if anyone is out there... I just want Christmas... I don't want to die, I just want to have Christmas," she said.
The gunfire didn't last very long, Roig said, but even when it stopped, she refused to take the kids out of the bathroom. When she heard knocking on the door a little while later, she said heard voices saying they were police officers, but she refused to open the door. Scared it was the gunman trying to lure them out, Roig told them to slide their badges under the bathroom door to prove their identities.
"I didn't believe them," she said. "I told them if they were cops, they could get the key... They did and then unlocked the bathroom."
Students who spoke to ABC News Radio told more stories of teachers who protected them during the shooting rampage. One 9-year-old boy said his class heard "a lot of bangs" and at first they thought a custodian had "knocked stuff down." Then they heard screaming.
"Police came in, said like 'Is he in here?' Then he ran out and then our teacher, somebody, yelled, 'get to a safe place.' So we went to the closet in the gym," the boy said. "The police were like knocking on the door and they're like 'we're evacuating people, we're evacuating people,' so we ran out."
After the police got Roig and her class out of their room, she said she and the children were taken to the nearby fire station, which had been set up as a staging area for parents to come pick up their kids.
That fire house, where Christmas wreaths and poinsettias are for sale, has been turned into a place of grief where frantic parents were either reuniting with their children or learning that their children are dead, or were still waiting for word.
Children stared wide-eyed as they watched state police troopers in body armor, holding raised rifles, quickly rush to secure the scene at their school. Parents said they had never been so panicked. One father, hoping to preserve a semblance of innocence, shielded his son's eyes with his forearm.
Wasik's mother said she found out about a shooting through the school's alert system, which sent her a message about a lockdown, and is still in disbelief.
"It just doesn't seem real," she said. "It feels like a nightmare. You drop your kids at school, hugs and kisses, have a good day, I'll see you later and see you at the end of the day and you never know.. in 20 minutes from now what's going to happen. And you count your blessing everyday for what you have."
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Usual21
Footballguy
I have been physically ill for a few hours now...This senseless killing is just devastating. As a teacher, I treat my kids as my own school "family". I can't imagine being in a school while this is happening. Before they left today, I told them that when they go home they are probably going to hear about what happened. I didn't go into specifics, but I told them that I love them very much and that I would be there on Monday if they had any questions.
As a parent, you ask yourself how can this be prevented. It really can't. And THAT'S what scares the #### out of me.
Security at our schools is not secure at all. We lock the doors. That's it. This past Wednesday, we had our Winter Concert. As soon as their kid was finished with their song, I saw tons of parents walking the halls in order to say hi to their kids in their classrooms instead of staying in the auditorium. At any point, a disgruntled parent could've been walking the halls unattended. I don't know what needs to be done, but something does.
As a parent, you ask yourself how can this be prevented. It really can't. And THAT'S what scares the #### out of me.
Security at our schools is not secure at all. We lock the doors. That's it. This past Wednesday, we had our Winter Concert. As soon as their kid was finished with their song, I saw tons of parents walking the halls in order to say hi to their kids in their classrooms instead of staying in the auditorium. At any point, a disgruntled parent could've been walking the halls unattended. I don't know what needs to be done, but something does.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I did not hear about it until after school let out at 2:45. It made me wish I had known so I could have said something to the kids. Not about the incident, just let them know how much I care about them.
G
Guest
Guest
This is one of those news events that gets into your bones. As a father of two young boys, one in 1st grade, there's nothing that could make me (and my wife) feel more vulnerable and raw. Hard to separate myself from what those parents have suffered. If it were me, I don't think I could handle it. It's a weight beyond imagination. The cork is coming out a a wine bottle tonight, and I may be looking at the bottom of that bottle before long. So sad. So senseless. Truly a national tragedy.And you hear the cliche that you should hug your kids. I have several times since coming home today.Exactly, I mean, right now they are a number. The pictures of the scene around the school on all the news sites of terrified parents and kids who have gotten out are making me a wreck as it is. After everyone has been notified and the police begin releasing names, ages and the pictures and videos start pouring out....oh Dear God. I know there will be the occasional hero story to bring a touch of light to this blackness, but I might need to drink myself into a coma.I tear up just thinking about it.This is one of these stories that just keeps getting worse and worse. The number of dead, the idea of what went on is more horrific than my brain can process. The next few days, weeks are going to be filled with pictures of these kids, these babies, and their families' stories and videos about them and their Christmas and its going to be gut-wrenchingly awful. I feel guilty for wanting to block all that out (I will have to for my young kids) for these kids memories, but I don't know how I'm going to see these kids and their grieving families without breaking down. Sorry if that is incoherent rambling, but I can't imagine these families and how they will go on.
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Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
It really is.Just a sad, sad, day.
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bosoxs45
Footballguy
I have the sudden urge to go help out at a toys for tots center.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Good job by the teacher. We have been trained not to open the door under any circumstances. There is a codeword that should be broadcast over the PA. The police know the codeword as well. Until we hear that, we are not to open for anyone. Ofcourse, there is always the possibility the attacker knows the codeword and could announce it, but it certainly is an effective safety precaution.Here is the teacher interview I was talking about. Diane Sawyer said the only reason she was convinced to do the interview was she wanted the parents and people to know they did everything they could and that they try to care for their students as much as they can
http://abcnews.go.co...ry?id=17976299#
Newtown Teacher Refused to Unlock Door for Police Fearing Gunman's Trick
There was so much gunfire rocking the Sandy Hook Elementary school that one teacher doubted that she and her young students, locked in a bathroom, were going to survive.
A third grade student said the kids were so scared she thought she was going to throw up. Another said he hid in a closet.
The gunfire erupted during first grade teacher Kaitlin Roig's morning meeting with her 14 students, what she called "a happy, amazing part of the day."
That day quickly turned into a nightmare.
"Suddenly, I heard rapid fire... like an assault weapon. I knew something was wrong," Roig, 29, told "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer.
"It was horrific," she said. "I didn't think we were going to live."
Alexis Wasik, an 8-year-old third grader, was startled when she heard someone rapidly firing off rounds inside another classroom. At first, she didn't know what was going on, but then she began to hear the sirens wail.
"We heard an ambulance and police officer come and everyone was a little scared crying and I felt actually a little sick and like I was going to throw up," she said. "Kids were crying, not really like screaming, but they were all huddling together. They felt so sick."
It was 9:41 a.m. when the first 911 call came into Connecticut State Police that multiple students at Sandy Hook Elementary School were locked in a classroom with a gunman. Adam Lanza killed 20 students and six adults at the school.
PHOTO: 1st Grade Sandy Hook Teacher Kaitlin Roig was interviewed by Diane Sawyer, Dec. 14, 2012.
When the shooting began, Roig said she quickly got up and closed her classroom door and ushered the children, all aged 6 and 7, into the class bathroom. She helped some climb onto the toilet so they could all fit. Roig said she then pushed a wheeled storage unit in front of the door.
"We all got in there. I locked us in," she said. "I don't know if [the gunman] came in the room... I just told them we have to be absolutely quiet."
"If they started crying, I would take their face and tell them, 'It's going to be OK,'" Roig continued. "I wanted that to be the last thing they heard, not the gunfire in the hall."
Roig said she just tried to stay strong for her students, but she didn't think they would make it out of the classroom alive.
"I thought we were all going to die," she said through tears. "I told the kids I love them and I was so happy they were my students... I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don't believe in prayer" think happy thoughts.
Throughout the ordeal, Roig said her students were being very good and she tried to remain positive for them.
"They asked, 'Can we go see if anyone is out there... I just want Christmas... I don't want to die, I just want to have Christmas," she said.
The gunfire didn't last very long, Roig said, but even when it stopped, she refused to take the kids out of the bathroom. When she heard knocking on the door a little while later, she said heard voices saying they were police officers, but she refused to open the door. Scared it was the gunman trying to lure them out, Roig told them to slide their badges under the bathroom door to prove their identities.
"I didn't believe them," she said. "I told them if they were cops, they could get the key... They did and then unlocked the bathroom."
Students who spoke to ABC News Radio told more stories of teachers who protected them during the shooting rampage. One 9-year-old boy said his class heard "a lot of bangs" and at first they thought a custodian had "knocked stuff down." Then they heard screaming.
"Police came in, said like 'Is he in here?' Then he ran out and then our teacher, somebody, yelled, 'get to a safe place.' So we went to the closet in the gym," the boy said. "The police were like knocking on the door and they're like 'we're evacuating people, we're evacuating people,' so we ran out."
After the police got Roig and her class out of their room, she said she and the children were taken to the nearby fire station, which had been set up as a staging area for parents to come pick up their kids.
That fire house, where Christmas wreaths and poinsettias are for sale, has been turned into a place of grief where frantic parents were either reuniting with their children or learning that their children are dead, or were still waiting for word.
Children stared wide-eyed as they watched state police troopers in body armor, holding raised rifles, quickly rush to secure the scene at their school. Parents said they had never been so panicked. One father, hoping to preserve a semblance of innocence, shielded his son's eyes with his forearm.
Wasik's mother said she found out about a shooting through the school's alert system, which sent her a message about a lockdown, and is still in disbelief.
"It just doesn't seem real," she said. "It feels like a nightmare. You drop your kids at school, hugs and kisses, have a good day, I'll see you later and see you at the end of the day and you never know.. in 20 minutes from now what's going to happen. And you count your blessing everyday for what you have."
Usual21
Footballguy
"They asked, 'Can we go see if anyone is out there... I just want Christmas... I don't want to die, I just want to have Christmas," she said."
Dvorak
Footballguy
Flat out lie.They held their national meetings that are REQUIRED BY LAW and were planned years in advance. They cancelled everything else.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You should. That is the kind of response that actually will help the problem and the kind of action that snowballs to make this country a more positive place to be.
lod01
Footballguy
SOP. Neutralize potential threat until determined not to be.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Cuff first ask questions later.
I'm not a church goer and didn't care for the Huckabee statement but this is over the top.
"I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don't believe in prayer" think happy thoughts."
Props to the teachers who in a time of crisis can still be polictically correct, not hurt anyone's feelings, and not open the school to any lawsuits. This teacher had her stuff together from securing the door, comforting the kids, making the police check out.
"I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don't believe in prayer" think happy thoughts."
Props to the teachers who in a time of crisis can still be polictically correct, not hurt anyone's feelings, and not open the school to any lawsuits. This teacher had her stuff together from securing the door, comforting the kids, making the police check out.
Otis
Footballguy
Seems like a weird thing to do if he weren't involved. He just learned that his brother committed the worst murder spree we've ever seen and is now dead, and his mom is dead, and they cuff him? I was wondering if they had some reason to think he was involved. This whole thing is just absolutely unreal.
Where was he cuffed? At the scene or another place?
Abraham
Footballguy
Probably around the wrists.
Otis
Footballguy
His apartment in Hoboken I think. Cops found him there and took him away in handcuffs.
ffldrew
Footballguy
Wondering the same thing
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Maybe the cops saw the terrible speculative coverage of the new media and thought the brother was "the 2nd shooter". Also, there were other relatives killed, perhaps the cops did not at first realize the 2 incidents were connected and had some sort of suspicion the brother was involved in the other homicides.
Thanks for the info.I was expecting the "wrists" answer which is why I further elaborated on the question, but Abe couldn't resist.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
I'm not waiting for your kids to go to sleep.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Seriously. :sniff:"They asked, 'Can we go see if anyone is out there... I just want Christmas... I don't want to die, I just want to have Christmas," she said."
Abraham
Footballguy
I haven't been funny in a while, according to my wife. Looks like my streak remains intact.
RBM
Footballguy
Agree. As bad as we felt all day today, it's probably going to get worse. Hard to even imagine how thoughThis is one of these stories that just keeps getting worse and worse. The number of dead, the idea of what went on is more horrific than my brain can process. The next few days, weeks are going to be filled with pictures of these kids, these babies, and their families' stories and videos about them and their Christmas and its going to be gut-wrenchingly awful. I feel guilty for wanting to block all that out (I will have to for my young kids) for these kids memories, but I don't know how I'm going to see these kids and their grieving families without breaking down. Sorry if that is incoherent rambling, but I can't imagine these families and how they will go on.
lod01
Footballguy
You sipmly don't take any chances. Imagine the horror if they don't cuff him and he goes nuts & grabs a police officer's gun. Then everyone is asking, 'why wasn't he cuffed'.
I'll resist the urge to share what she told me.
Otis
Footballguy
Yeah, you need to find another thread to try and be funny in. It's not the time or place.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Care to unpack this?
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Sounds crazy but I have the same feeling.
Abraham
Footballguy
Relax. I wasn't being an ###.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Closed on a new home this morning (moving from our co-op to a modest carriage house on the same street, one avenue over). Movers arrived with ou stuff around noon. Been directing them all day, no t.v., clueless. Just say down for take out and turned on NPR. Feels like 99% of the country found out before we did.
Just in shock. Cannot process. We have 2 kids, 4 and 14, and this is so completely senseless.
GB those poor families. Cannot imagine.
Just in shock. Cannot process. We have 2 kids, 4 and 14, and this is so completely senseless.
GB those poor families. Cannot imagine.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Good point. If they think you're a suspect, you're cuffed until they know you're not a threat, or a suspect. I was once hand cuffed for feeding my GF's cat while she was on vacation. True story.
belljr
Footballguy
Interviewing older lady neighbor, said the mom was very demanding and peticular. Said something to the affect of being difficult and mentioned divorce.Reporter asked if there was issues between the mom and son and the neighbor says, no not really....So i don't know what to make out of that
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According to one of the reporters who was at the brother's apartment when he came out, they threw him up against the police car before cuffing him and putting him in the back of the police car. He was in the back of the car for about 5 minutes before the footage of him being led back into the apartment.The reporter wasn't sure if he knew prior to being cuffed any of what had happened since he apparently hadn't had much contact with his brother the previous two years. He looked stunned when they let him out of the police car and back into the apartment. IF that's all true, what a horrible way to find out your mother was murdered, your mother was murdered by your brother, your brother who murdered your mother also murdered 26 other people including 20 kindergarten and 1st grade children, and that same brother committed suicide after doing all of those horrific acts. There's obviously no good way to get that news, but that seems like as bad a way to find out as any.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Mike Huckabee: Connecticut School Massacre Occurred Because We ‘Removed God From Our Schools’
F*** You Mike Huckabee, F*** You
