Another school shooting (1 Viewer)

[mr roboto]

Sweeney and shader, on the count of 3, shut up

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3!

 

[mad sweeney]

If Lhucks got banned for his posts in this thread then mad Sweeney should be too

Huh? I didn't bring up God in the thread, I didn't go into Christian bashing. I disagreed with someone who agreed with a national figure who most here have condemned fo his comments. I deleted 80% of my first drafts in an attempt to be more accomodating. Apparently I didn't do it enough for some but I don't see any difference between what I've said and things that CE or Shader said other than being on the wrong side of the God divide.

For the record...I've never once supported anything that huckabee or anyone else said. I think it's sick and twisted to use a tragedy like this to push an agenda.

I haven't said you did, it was CE I was referring to. I disagreed greatly with something you said earlier in the thread but didn't even respond to it since it would force a God argument and wasn't germaine to agreeing with a story like the Huckabee one.

 

[mad sweeney]

Sweeney and shader, on the count of 3, shut up123!

We hashed out a disagreement. Not seeing the issue here since it's gotten the two of us off a side track.

 

[mr roboto]

Sweeney and shader, on the count of 3, shut up123!

We hashed out a disagreement. Not seeing the issue here since it's gotten the two of us off a side track.

3!!!!!!

 

[GreenbayBuckeye]

Didn't see this mentioned, but apologies if it was already reported. According to a report by NBC news, Lanza had an "altercation" with four staff members at the school on Thursday. Three of those people were killed yesterday, and the fourth was not at the school. No word on whether the incident was reported to law enforcement or anyone else or what the altercation was about.If true, there's a pretty good chance that may go a long way to figuring out why he targeted the school. Though nothing could make me understand killing innocent young children like this monster did.

I had not yet heard this reported, but if it is in fact true, what type of "altercation" would drive a person to kill 27 people, including 20 innocent children. WTF has this world come to.

 

[shadyridr]

So apparently the mom was a gun enthusiast, took them to target practice regularly

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/conn-gunman-learned-shoot-mom-article-1.1220893

 

[shader]

So apparently the mom was a gun enthusiast, took them to target practice regularly

He had to be an expert with guns to kill that many people. If your kid is a little off, as many reports said he was, I wouldn't think training him to be an expert marksman would be a smart move.

 

[shadyridr]

Not many women gun enthusiasts are there?

 

[ffldrew]

This is an area that I'm questioning....

Here is my guess on one of his weapons - Sig Sauer

Why would a single mom have something like this around the house - it's not entirely out of the realm - but a bunco playing, schoolteacher, single mom just doesn't make sense as the owner of this "for protection" around the house in Newtown. Unless she bought for the kid? I think I had heard that the weapons were purchased by her - is that what you have heard?

ETA - here is what I read ...that's a lot of guns

At least three guns were found — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car, authorities said. A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of the guns used in the attack may have belonged to Lanza's family. His mother had legally registered four weapons, his father two.

Authorities also recovered three other guns — a Henry repeating rifle, an Enfield rifle and a shotgun. It was not clear exactly where those weapons were found.

Looks like she was a gun collector - sportsmen - and took her kids to the range

Initial reports said that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary, where Adam Lanza went on a shooting rampage and killed 20 children and six adults Friday. Now it isn’t clear whether that’s the case and so far officials have failed to clarify the situation. A former Newtown school board official told the Wall Street Journal that “no one has heard of her,” adding that “teachers don’t know her.” The Associated Press reports that at least one parent identified Nancy Lanza as a substitute teacher at the school but her name isn’t on a staff list and an official said they have so far been unable to establish a connection between her and the school.

The two semiautomatic pisols and .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle Lanza used in the shooting were registered to his mother, whom several witnesses identified as an avid gun collector. She apparently taught her kids how to shoot the guns. The owner of a landscaping business who recently decorated her yard for Christmas tells Reuters she once showed him a “really nice, high-end rifle” that she purchased. “She said she would often go target shooting with her kids.”

Meanwhile, authorities failed to release a list of victims Saturday morning as had been widely expected, although they promised one would be forthcoming. So far, officials have found “very good evidence in this investigation that our investigators will be able to use in, hopefully, painting the complete picture as to how—and more importantly why—this occurred,” said state police Lt. Paul Vance. He also added that investigators have determined Lanza forced his way into the school and was not let inside by anyone.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Didn't see this mentioned, but apologies if it was already reported. According to a report by NBC news, Lanza had an "altercation" with four staff members at the school on Thursday. Three of those people were killed yesterday, and the fourth was not at the school. No word on whether the incident was reported to law enforcement or anyone else or what the altercation was about.If true, there's a pretty good chance that may go a long way to figuring out why he targeted the school. Though nothing could make me understand killing innocent young children like this monster did.

I had not yet heard this reported, but if it is in fact true, what type of "altercation" would drive a person to kill 27 people, including 20 innocent children. WTF has this world come to.

There are many sick and awful people in every corner of the world. Incidents similar to this are not infrequent in countries like Syria and Iraq. Despite this truly horrible event, we should be greatful we live in a country where most can live, work and play in a safe environment.On the flip side, we have SO MANY wonderful, kind and generous people here in America that devote their lives to helping others and doing good.One problem is the lack of focus on those that do good vs someone like Adam Lanza. It's what sells, and sad to say, it piques many folks interest. It's the way it is.If this truly makes you sick and compels you to act, there are endless opportunities in this country to help and give back.ETA - I admit I've been following the story and am part of the "sad" consumers of this event right now. I don't know why and I wouldn't judge any one else's reaction or emotions. I just wanted to say that in general we are fortunate to live in a safe country and I feel it's unfortunate the folks that are really out there doing the good in this world don't get the focus and interest those of the exact opposite do

 

[timschochet]

Not many women gun enthusiasts are there?

I'm guessing there's more than you think.

 

[timschochet]

It appears my earlier comments about evil were grouped together with other people using this discussion to make a political or religious point. That wasn't my intent. I wasn't trying to annoy or anger anyone. But since some people took it that way, I'll post no more about it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

It appears my earlier comments about evil were grouped together with other people using this discussion to make a political or religious point. That wasn't my intent. I wasn't trying to annoy or anger anyone. But since some people took it that way, I'll post no more about it.

That's very thoughtful of you to post you're not going to post anymore.

 

[squistion]

Not many women gun enthusiasts are there?

Someone well known comes to mind.https://www.google.com/search?q=sarah+palin+guns&hl=en&client=gmail&tbo=u&rls=gm&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tsXMUKHsOtDDiwK05IGYBQ&ved=0CDUQsAQ&biw=784&bih=472#hl=en&client=gmail&tbo=d&rls=gm&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sarah+palin+gun&oq=sarah+palin+gun&gs_l=img.3...20295.20295.0.23056.1.1.0.0.0.0.109.109.0j1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.W1jtXtYWEao&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.cGE&fp=c796072be70c5cd1&bpcl=39967673&biw=1024&bih=616

 

[Jewell]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/15/15926718-newtown-gunman-tried-to-buy-rifle-days-before-shooting?liteUPDATED 1:33 p.m. ET: The gunman in the Newtown massacre tried unsuccessfully to buy a rifle three days before he killed 20 children, six adults and himself at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Connecticut and federal officials told NBC News Saturday.Adam Lanza, 20, went to a ####'s Sporting Goods store in Danbury, Conn., on Tuesday to buy the weapon, but was turned down because he didn't want to undergo a background check or abide by the state's waiting period for gun sales, the officials said.Still, Lanza was heavily armed when he forced his way into the school Friday morning – after killing his mother at their home in Newtown.The officials said he had four handguns on him as he stormed the 600-student school and shot his victims – clustered in two classrooms – at close range. There was a rifle found in the car he drove to Sandy Hook.Previously, officials had said Lanza was armed with two pistols as he rampaged through the suburban school and that the weapons were legally purchased and registered to his mother, Nancy.At a Saturday briefing, Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance said officials were tracing every weapon connected to the shooter.The motive for the mass killing was unknown, but officials told NBC's Pete Williams that they were investigating whether Lanza is the person who had an "altercation" with four staff members at the school on Thursday.Three of the four were killed Friday in one of the worst school shootings in U.S. history. The fourth staff member was not at school that day and is being interviewed by federal and state investigators, Williams said.Authorities have finished the heart-wrenching task of identifying the dead and said they would soon release the names.The bodies have been removed from the school and taken to the medical examiner's office, but it could take at least two more days for investigators to finish combing over the crime scene.“We’ve been doing everything we need to do to peel back the onion, layer by layer, and get more information,” Vance said.Investigators have already compiled “very good evidence” that can be used to make a “complete picture” of the slaughter and the suspect, Vance said.Police have also determined Lanza, 20, was not buzzed into Sandy Hook, where he was once a student.“He forced his way into the school,” Vance said. He did not provide specifics and said that broken windows at the school may have been shattered by police who responded to the emergency.Several officials told NBC News that once Lanza was inside, he shot the 20 children at close range.Of the many questions surrounding the tragedy, none was more poignant than those posed by the parents of the dead children, who were mostly concerned that the children had not suffered in their final moments.“They were wondering whether the children knew what was happening to them, whether they were afraid,” said Monsignor Robert Weiss of St. Rose of Lima Church, who met with the families overnight at a firehouse while workers from the medical examiner's office identified the bodies.A state trooper has been assigned to the family of each victim so they can grieve in private, Vance said. “This is an extremely heart-breaking, difficult thing,” he said.Police provided little information about the shooter’s state of mind. Lanza’s brother told police the gunman had a history of mental problems, though a classmate from Newtown High School recalled him as a generally happy person.“We would hang out, and he was a good kid,” Joshua Milas, who had not seen Lanza in a few years, told The Associated Press. “He was probably one of the smartest kids I know. He was probably a genius.”The weapons he used were were legally purchased and registered to his mother, two law enforcement officials said. Two 9mm handguns were recovered inside the school. An AR-15-type rifle also was found outside.Lanza’s connection to the school was unclear. Law enforcement officials initially said his mother was a kindergarten teacher there, but the school superintendent told TODAY that she wasn’t a full-time staffer and may have been a substitute.Police said their investigation into Lanza and how he carried out the horrendous crime was still in the early stages.“We have a mountain of evidence, both physical and forensic,” Newtown Police Lt. George Sinko said. “Obviously we’re not going to leave any stone unturned.”He said the entire town of 27,000 – a sleepy bedroom community some 60 miles from New York City and known for its good schools – was reeling.“We never thought this would happen here,” Sinko said. “Our hearts are broken for the families of these victims.”Even the young survivors -- ages 5 to 10 -- will be scarred. They spoke of huddling in corners of locked classrooms and closets with heroic teachers while shots rang out around them.Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher."That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he told The Associated Press. "He was very brave."The school superintendent, Dr. Janet Robinson, said the body count would have been even higher if not for staff who rushed to protect their young charges. All of the dead were found in two rooms.“A lot of children are alive today because of actions the teachers took,” she said.The high death toll and the tender age of the victims sent shock waves all the way to the White House, where the flag was lowered to half-staff.President Obama, his voice cracking at times, said he reacted to the tragedy first as a parent.“Our hearts are broken today,'' he said in a news conference Friday. “The majority of those who died today were children. Beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.”NBC News Chief Justice Correspondent Pete Williams and NBC News.com's John Schoen contributed to this report.Related content from NBCNews.com:

 

[Jewell]

Not many women gun enthusiasts are there?

The biggest gun enthusiast that I personally know is a middle-aged lady.

 

[mr roboto]

So he was unable to legally purchase a gun?

 

[Disco Stu]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead. I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

 

[mad sweeney]

So he was unable to legally purchase a gun?

He'd had to have gone through the process and been turned down first to actually say that, but it certainly appears that the legal means to purchase a gun were enough of a deterrent for him to not try. Who nows if he would've been denied.

 

[sporthenry]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead. I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

They showed it once b/c it seemed to be a new picture. But they've gone out of their way to not say the name. They said it once at the top of the hour. I support their efforts.

 

[Raider Nation]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

 

[mr roboto]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

 

[dancingbones]

Well, we made it 26 pages before the thread went to #### - a lot longer than I had expected.

Really don't understand why it is so ####### hard to create another thread and sling poo in there. I have a strong take on the gun part and am keeping it elsewhere, I have zero take on the God part...I just want it elsewhere. I'm sure most do too. Keep this about the event, please.

Seriously! KEEP YOUR #### OUTTA THIS THREAD!!!

Please please please do. Ty. This is simply heartbreaking stuff. I'm finding reading about it here useful for processing my grief. Let's try to respect the wishes of many & take the tangents to other threads.

 

[-fish-]

So he was unable to legally purchase a gun?

I heard yesterday that you have to be 21 to get a gun in CT. With all the bad reporting, who knows if that's true.

 

[Raider Nation]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

My link

 

[mr roboto]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

My link

Exactly.

 

[Parmcat]

Why is there sooo much conflicting info even at this point today.

CNN has reported that law inforcement says he had 2 hand guns and a rifle. This says he had 4 hand guns....

This has been a gongshow for details

ETA...THIS meaning Jewels link above

 

[Jewell]

So he was unable to legally purchase a gun?

I heard yesterday that you have to be 21 to get a gun in CT. With all the bad reporting, who knows if that's true.

If the reports that the shooter had his older brother's ID with him are accurate, maybe that's why he jacked his brother's ID.Or older brother could have given it to him for alcohol purchasing purposes, but not thinking it would be used in a gun purchase attempt. Just spit ballin' here.

 

[Raider Nation]

So he was unable to legally purchase a gun?

I heard yesterday that you have to be 21 to get a gun in CT. With all the bad reporting, who knows if that's true.

If the reports that the shooter had his older brother's ID with him are accurate, maybe that's why he jacked his brother's ID.

Ryan told police yesterday that he hadn't talked to his brother in two years.Could that kid have stolen his brother's license that long ago?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I do want to raise one issue in which I agree with the religious folks: atheists and secularists often deny the existence of evil, looking instead for rational reasons for every human action, no matter how awful.

I think that, no matter how mentally screwed up Lanza might have been, he was rational enough to get in his car, drive to the school, and fire his weapon at a bunch of children. I can think of no greater an example of pure evil than this one. Can we all agree that this is proof that evil does, in fact, exist?

No, not as a supernatural force, which is what you are suggesting. Sean Hannity for years has asked guests on his show, "Do you believe in evil?" which is code for "Do you believe in Satan?" I am agnostic and don't believe in the supernatural. I believe that there are people who do evil acts and reprehensible things and if you wish to characterize them as being "evil" I guess I can accept that. However I don't believe there is this force of evil existing out there that attaches itself to people or causes them to do these horrible things.

I did not suggest that. Obviously I don't believe in the supernatural either. But I do believe in evil.

That doesn't make sense. How do you define or what do you consider evil? And where does evil come from? Does it exist by itself?Edit to add - I think you answered my question in response to Ursa M.

EVIL -Definition: sinful, immoralSynonyms: angry, atrocious, bad, baneful, base, beastly, calamitous, corrupt, damnable, depraved, destructive, disastrous, execrable, flagitious, foul, harmful, hateful, heinous, hideous, iniquitous, injurious, loathsome, low, maleficent, malevolent, malicious, malignant, nefarious, no good, obscene, offensive, pernicious, poison, rancorous, reprobate, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, spiteful, stinking, ugly, unpleasant, unpropitious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrathful, wrong.

Nowhere do i see anything that describes a separate entity....im sure tim is using the word as its used in the above list of definitions

 

[Apple Jack]

A separate thread to Tim it up would be great.

 

[Raider Nation]

A separate thread to Tim it up would be great.

I'm just hoping for more definitions.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I do want to raise one issue in which I agree with the religious folks: atheists and secularists often deny the existence of evil, looking instead for rational reasons for every human action, no matter how awful.

I think that, no matter how mentally screwed up Lanza might have been, he was rational enough to get in his car, drive to the school, and fire his weapon at a bunch of children. I can think of no greater an example of pure evil than this one. Can we all agree that this is proof that evil does, in fact, exist?

No, not as a supernatural force, which is what you are suggesting. Sean Hannity for years has asked guests on his show, "Do you believe in evil?" which is code for "Do you believe in Satan?" I am agnostic and don't believe in the supernatural. I believe that there are people who do evil acts and reprehensible things and if you wish to characterize them as being "evil" I guess I can accept that. However I don't believe there is this force of evil existing out there that attaches itself to people or causes them to do these horrible things.

I did not suggest that. Obviously I don't believe in the supernatural either. But I do believe in evil.

That doesn't make sense. How do you define or what do you consider evil? And where does evil come from? Does it exist by itself?Edit to add - I think you answered my question in response to Ursa M.

EVIL -Definition: sinful, immoralSynonyms: angry, atrocious, bad, baneful, base, beastly, calamitous, corrupt, damnable, depraved, destructive, disastrous, execrable, flagitious, foul, harmful, hateful, heinous, hideous, iniquitous, injurious, loathsome, low, maleficent, malevolent, malicious, malignant, nefarious, no good, obscene, offensive, pernicious, poison, rancorous, reprobate, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, spiteful, stinking, ugly, unpleasant, unpropitious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrathful, wrong.

Nowhere do i see anything that describes a separate entity....im sure tim is using the word as its used in the above list of definitions

Right, those are adjectives. Does angry exist?

 

[sporthenry]

I do want to raise one issue in which I agree with the religious folks: atheists and secularists often deny the existence of evil, looking instead for rational reasons for every human action, no matter how awful.

I think that, no matter how mentally screwed up Lanza might have been, he was rational enough to get in his car, drive to the school, and fire his weapon at a bunch of children. I can think of no greater an example of pure evil than this one. Can we all agree that this is proof that evil does, in fact, exist?

No, not as a supernatural force, which is what you are suggesting. Sean Hannity for years has asked guests on his show, "Do you believe in evil?" which is code for "Do you believe in Satan?" I am agnostic and don't believe in the supernatural. I believe that there are people who do evil acts and reprehensible things and if you wish to characterize them as being "evil" I guess I can accept that. However I don't believe there is this force of evil existing out there that attaches itself to people or causes them to do these horrible things.

I did not suggest that. Obviously I don't believe in the supernatural either. But I do believe in evil.

That doesn't make sense. How do you define or what do you consider evil? And where does evil come from? Does it exist by itself?Edit to add - I think you answered my question in response to Ursa M.

EVIL -Definition: sinful, immoralSynonyms: angry, atrocious, bad, baneful, base, beastly, calamitous, corrupt, damnable, depraved, destructive, disastrous, execrable, flagitious, foul, harmful, hateful, heinous, hideous, iniquitous, injurious, loathsome, low, maleficent, malevolent, malicious, malignant, nefarious, no good, obscene, offensive, pernicious, poison, rancorous, reprobate, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, spiteful, stinking, ugly, unpleasant, unpropitious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrathful, wrong.

Nowhere do i see anything that describes a separate entity....im sure tim is using the word as its used in the above list of definitions

Doubtful. He was trying to make a point about evil in the greater context of things somehow insinuating that "pure evil" existing means something. If you replace "evil" with any of those synonyms, than I don't think anyone is going to disagree. The kid was angry, atrocious, bad, destructive, loathsome, vile, villainous, repulsive, etc. But to say this somehow proves something like pure, unadulterated evil isn't needed here.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

... I think it's sick and twisted to use a tragedy like this to push an agenda.

Saying "take it elsewhere" or "its too soon" is every bit pushing an agenda as anything else. And if you truly believe that your particular agenda item would have stopped this (which I would personally disagree with) then it won't be not "too soon" for you to be pushing that agenda in your mind, but "too late". And for that reason it is silly to try to think we can or should try to silence it.

 

[Jobber]

So he was unable to legally purchase a gun?

I heard yesterday that you have to be 21 to get a gun in CT. With all the bad reporting, who knows if that's true.

In Minnesota, it's 18 for a rifle/shotgun and 21 for handgun. I'm not positive, but I believe this is applies at the nationwide level.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I had not yet heard this reported, but if it is in fact true, what type of "altercation" would drive a person to kill 27 people, including 20 innocent children. WTF has this world come to.

The world continues be a much better place than it was yesteryear. The fact that we cannot grasp the evil of the killing of 20 innocent children is a relatively new phenomenon for humans.

 

[sporthenry]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

But there are several other pictures that have come out that don't make him look that crazy. Should we hospitalize all googly eyed people? I know you aren't suggesting it but it just feels like authorities/media try to portray these guys to fit a narrative. In retrospect, Holmes seems "crazy" but at the time what did he have? He was a PHD student in neuroscience and sure some of his behavior seems weird but there are a lot of people like that.

 

[squistion]

I do want to raise one issue in which I agree with the religious folks: atheists and secularists often deny the existence of evil, looking instead for rational reasons for every human action, no matter how awful.

I think that, no matter how mentally screwed up Lanza might have been, he was rational enough to get in his car, drive to the school, and fire his weapon at a bunch of children. I can think of no greater an example of pure evil than this one. Can we all agree that this is proof that evil does, in fact, exist?

No, not as a supernatural force, which is what you are suggesting. Sean Hannity for years has asked guests on his show, "Do you believe in evil?" which is code for "Do you believe in Satan?" I am agnostic and don't believe in the supernatural. I believe that there are people who do evil acts and reprehensible things and if you wish to characterize them as being "evil" I guess I can accept that. However I don't believe there is this force of evil existing out there that attaches itself to people or causes them to do these horrible things.

I did not suggest that. Obviously I don't believe in the supernatural either. But I do believe in evil.

That doesn't make sense. How do you define or what do you consider evil? And where does evil come from? Does it exist by itself?Edit to add - I think you answered my question in response to Ursa M.

EVIL -Definition: sinful, immoralSynonyms: angry, atrocious, bad, baneful, base, beastly, calamitous, corrupt, damnable, depraved, destructive, disastrous, execrable, flagitious, foul, harmful, hateful, heinous, hideous, iniquitous, injurious, loathsome, low, maleficent, malevolent, malicious, malignant, nefarious, no good, obscene, offensive, pernicious, poison, rancorous, reprobate, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, spiteful, stinking, ugly, unpleasant, unpropitious, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrathful, wrong.

Nowhere do i see anything that describes a separate entity....im sure tim is using the word as its used in the above list of definitions

Well using the synonyms, do you say that you believe in angry, depraved or bad? Now, you can believe that people are angry, depraved and/or bad but the way he phrased it, believing "in evil" suggested something beyond just a personal attribute.

 

[Raider Nation]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

But there are several other pictures that have come out that don't make him look that crazy. Should we hospitalize all googly eyed people?

I've always been suspicious of this guy.

 

[cstu]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

But there are several other pictures that have come out that don't make him look that crazy. Should we hospitalize all googly eyed people? I know you aren't suggesting it but it just feels like authorities/media try to portray these guys to fit a narrative. In retrospect, Holmes seems "crazy" but at the time what did he have? He was a PHD student in neuroscience and sure some of his behavior seems weird but there are a lot of people like that.

ORLY?I couldn't find one picture where he's not doing that creepy pursed lip thing.

 

[shader]

Doctor on right now. Says the long weapon was the primary weapon.

3-11 wounds a piece on the victims.

ugh

 

[comfortably numb]

Doctor on right now. Says the long weapon was the primary weapon.3-11 wounds a piece on the victims.ugh

He seems...odd

 

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Doctor on right now. Says the long weapon was the primary weapon.3-11 wounds a piece on the victims.ugh

He seems...odd

Yeah a couple weird laughs in there. In fairness to him, it's probably been the worst night of his life.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The Chief Medical Examiner: "...it was her first day on the job. That was interesting..." (I think this is quoted accurately.)

Wow.

 

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Yeah he is really weird.....

Said he didn't think the gunman killed himself though but won't know until tomorrow.

 

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Stupid reporter: "What were the kids wearing?"

WTH???

 

[sporthenry]

I couldn't watch much coverage yesterday, but I feel like CNN is doing a nice, respectful job with it today. I like this Don Lemon guy on lead.

I don't recall seeing the killer's picture once... in at least two hours of viewing.

They just showed it.

Weird... he looks perfectly sane. Same googly eyes as the jackass who shot up the movie theater.

He looks like a living skull.

But there are several other pictures that have come out that don't make him look that crazy. Should we hospitalize all googly eyed people? I know you aren't suggesting it but it just feels like authorities/media try to portray these guys to fit a narrative. In retrospect, Holmes seems "crazy" but at the time what did he have? He was a PHD student in neuroscience and sure some of his behavior seems weird but there are a lot of people like that.

ORLY?I couldn't find one picture where he's not doing that creepy pursed lip thing.

http://i0.wp.com/assets.thehollywoodgossip.com/photos/large_p/adam-lanza-picture.jpgDoesn't look that creepy to me. Heck, his brother looks creepy too by that standard.

 

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Yeah he is really weird.....Said he didn't think the gunman killed himself though but won't know until tomorrow.

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