There's some buzz Antonio Brown's foot issue is worse than the frostbite being reported. As of 8.7.19, how confident are you he'll be ready to go for Week 1?
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Looking at the pictures..not very. Lots of tissue loss deep into the skin will take time to rejuvenate. Running and cutting will rip them open again unless fully healed. If you have even played anything with a blister on your heel you know the pain is severe, this is way worse.There's some buzz Antonio Brown's foot issue is worse than the frostbite being reported. As of 8.7.19, how confident are you he'll be ready to go for Week 1?
Agree with you again. OAK is the zombie land of receivers. Carr is just awful. Look at Cooper in OAK vs. Cooper in DAL. 'Nuff said for me.Even if his feet are good to go, he's got Derek Carr attempting to throw him the ball.......he's on my DND list.
Completely off topic and not only that, completely wrong... but you do you boo boo.Even if his feet are good to go, he's got Derek Carr attempting to throw him the ball.......he's on my DND list.
And, he's Antonio Brown......I know at least one owner in my leagues will reach for him based on his history, which takes any decision I would possibly have regarding drafting him, awayAgree with you again. OAK is the zombie land of receivers. Carr is just awful. Look at Cooper in OAK vs. Cooper in DAL. 'Nuff said for me.
And yeah getting frostbite on your feet from a post-workout recovery as a 31 year old professional athlete is just not confidence inspiring at this point. And I've had some bad soft-tissue foot injuries from overuse. They can really set you back A LONG WAY in A LOT of ways.
Says the salty dynasty owner...Completely off topic and not only that, completely wrong... but you do you boo boo.
On a list of “pinkeye” to “slipped in the shower”, “frostbite” has to be the weirdest injury ever.Joe Bryant said:There's some buzz Antonio Brown's foot issue is worse than the frostbite being reported. As of 8.7.19, how confident are you he'll be ready to go for Week 1?
Try again homie. I'm not a dynasty player but you MAY be able to tell why I'm a bit biased based on my user name and icon... but it's probably before your time kiddo.Says the salty dynasty owner...
Thanks. So in your opinion, how painful do you think this is for him now? Can you expand on "I'm sure he's got some discomfort with it"?I don't think it's a deep tissue thing.
I'm a physician that works as a hospitalist--an internist that works exclusively in the hospital. And while I would never claim to know enough orthopedics to tell you how long a thumb or an ankle will keep player x out--I do see a lot of infected feet.
This to me looks very superficial. It looks like the outermost layer is infected and is peeling/sloughing. The layers underneath appear healthy.
You don't see any swelling or redness to imply more significant deep tissue infection.
I'm sure he's got some discomfort with it, but a month from now, I'd say he's highly likely to be just fine.
It may a bit tender. And someone who works a regular job—teacher, plumber, etc probably tolerates it just fine. It’s a slight annoyance.Thanks. So in your opinion, how painful do you think this is for him now?
Let's drop the boo hoo and steer it back to football.Try again homie. I'm not a dynasty player but you MAY be able to tell why I'm a bit biased based on my user name and icon... but it's probably before your time kiddo.
2018 Derek Carr (OAK) 381/553 - 68.9 - 4,049 -19/10
So a nearly 70% completion percentage for over 4000 yards and a 19/10 TD to INT ratio (with no real receivers other than a TE) puts him on your DND list. Ok cool, good luck with that mindset. Like I said, you do you boo boo.
I'll say this and then I'm done cuz we're off topic...Try again homie. I'm not a dynasty player but you MAY be able to tell why I'm a bit biased based on my user name and icon... but it's probably before your time kiddo.
2018 Derek Carr (OAK) 381/553 - 68.9 - 4,049 -19/10
So a nearly 70% completion percentage for over 4000 yards and a 19/10 TD to INT ratio (with no real receivers other than a TE) puts him on your DND list. Ok cool, good luck with that mindset. Like I said, you do you boo boo.
Thanks. That's different than what I would have thought. I know much a blister from hiking can hurt. Brown's situation seems 100x worse. It doesn't scale that way in your opinion?It may a bit tender. And someone who works a regular job—teacher, plumber, etc probably tolerates it just fine. It’s a slight annoyance.
If you’re a pro-bowl receiver, the force you’re generating with your routes /cuts/breaks probably make it worse.
This is all me analyzing instagram pictures, butThanks. That's different than what I would have thought. I know much a blister from hiking can hurt. Brown's situation seems 100x worse. It doesn't scale that way in your opinion?
Is there something wrong with Tyreek?Imagine the schmuck who hasn’t paid any attention all summer drafting Gurley, Tyreek, AB & Gordon, thinking he just might go 13-0.
Not to get off-track but Gurley has supposedly looked beastly at camp.Imagine the schmuck who hasn’t paid any attention all summer drafting Gurley, Tyreek, AB & Gordon, thinking he just might go 13-0.
Nope, just fit the narrative of guys who don’t have the ADP you would have expected back in February.Is there something wrong with Tyreek?
AB and Tyreek seem like good picks. If they picked those players I would assumeImagine the schmuck who hasn’t paid any attention all summer drafting Gurley, Tyreek, AB & Gordon, thinking he just might go 13-0.
He might.Imagine the schmuck who hasn’t paid any attention all summer drafting Gurley, Tyreek, AB & Gordon, thinking he just might go 13-0.
From what I’ve heard / read, it seems like it doesn’t matter how he looks. For one, because the type of injury gets worse with repetitive use, and for another, because the team wants to avoid that degradation so may be keeping him in bubble wrap.Not to get off-track but Gurley has supposedly looked beastly at camp.
I'll take a shot -- as I think people vastly underrate Carr's talent and ability. The guy has been hampered by a broken back and a broken offense for most of his career with the Raiders, and I think his relatively poor end-of-season ranking is more a function of this than him being a poor QB.Where do you see Brown and Carr ranking this year at their positions?
How much negative are you putting on them missing time on the field together thus far?
DamnNot Technically frostbite, but Antonio Brown's feet might have gotten worse in cryotherapy
The questions continue regarding new Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown and his feet.
We tried to answer some of the medical questions four days ago. But yesterday a new report emerged of “frostbite” from a cryotherapy machine.
This did not seem to make medical sense.
For one, cryotherapy treatment is for just a few minutes. Frostbite doesn’t happen that quickly — with or without proper protection. Second, the pattern of injury does not appear to be frostbite, as the cold causes vasoconstriction that would be most prominent in the toes and the cold air touches more of the circumference of toes. Also, the sole of the foot would be most protected, as one typically stands on a platform so the cold air doesn’t really touch that part of the skin surface.
If there was a “malfunction” or liquid nitrogen leak that pooled at the bottom of the feet, the arch would be most affected, as it is exposed away from the standing surface. And it was not in Brown’s case.
Finally, none of this explains the green (likely psuedomonas infection) or the macerated foot appearance.
Even if someone used the chamber longer than prescribed or there was a malfunction, one would feel the pain and burn of frostbite before real damage was done. Further, frostbite turns the skin black, which we do not see on Brown’s feet.
Today, a clarification comes from the NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, which describes a “cryogenic chamber mishap” (which does not necessarily mean “frostbite” but could “burn” the feet from the cold). This report coupled with our previous analysis makes complete sense to me.
My opinion is that Brown was suffering from macerated feet from too much moisture while training. In some ways, this is a milder form of “trench foot” seen in soldiers from World War I. This medically seems to be the primary problem.
Assuming Brown then used a cryotherapy machine without proper foot protection, in wet socks or with “wet” macerated feet, the cold would conduct against the moisture. It would then freeze the skin only on the moist soles of the outer layer of skin on his feet and not on his toes, tops of his feet or arch.
This conduction is comparable to how one can tolerate cold in freezing weather for a few minutes without a jacket but cannot survive a few minutes in the freezing cold ocean. The superficial moist skin could indeed freeze. This is not technically frostbite, but it certainly could have exacerbated the underlying condition with frost burn.
This seems to be the most logical explanation.
As is often the case when you hear two different stories about the same thing, the truth lies in the middle. Indeed, the macerated moist skin is the main issue that causes the superinfection with pseudomonas, but the cryotherapy mishap didn’t help the situation.
In any case, it still seems Brown is on path to return well before the regular season.
On the HBO show “Hard Knocks,” it was demonstrated that he could run but that hard cuts put extra pressure on the soles of his feet and cause potentially more delamination.
This should resolve soon. It might affect his preseason time with new quarterback Derek Carr but should not come close to affecting his regular season availability.
Bad defense = tons of attempts. AB is going to do well even with Carr.Even if his feet are good to go, he's got Derek Carr attempting to throw him the ball.......he's on my DND list.
We saw A Brown running on Hard Knocks. Do Sprinters deal with pain like football players?It's TMZ. But I don't like the sound of this. "Sprinter Justin Gatlin says he suffered a similar cryotherapy injury as star receiver Antonio Brown -- and says it took him MONTHS to get healthy."
https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/08/justin-gatlin-antonio-brown-cryotherapy-feet-injury-frostbite/
True frost bite would take months to get over. But IF this was frost bite, he's months into the healing process. People have ginormous blisters, they have hard black patches of dead skin and sometimes deeper dead tissue. Going strictly by the picture, he's not someone who had frost bite 2 weeks ago and here we are today.It's TMZ. But I don't like the sound of this. "Sprinter Justin Gatlin says he suffered a similar cryotherapy injury as star receiver Antonio Brown -- and says it took him MONTHS to get healthy."
https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/08/justin-gatlin-antonio-brown-cryotherapy-feet-injury-frostbite/
Interesting.Joe Bryant said:It's TMZ. But I don't like the sound of this. "Sprinter Justin Gatlin says he suffered a similar cryotherapy injury as star receiver Antonio Brown -- and says it took him MONTHS to get healthy."
https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/08/justin-gatlin-antonio-brown-cryotherapy-feet-injury-frostbite/
Can’t find anything that backs this up.[Chase Williams WPXI] 10 practices into training camp and Antonio Brown has already gone “radio silent” with the Raiders. They have zero clue where he is or what the progress of the foot injury
https://twitter.com/chasepwilliams/status/1159316479801794561
It's a Steelers radio guy so maybe bogusCan’t find anything that backs this up.