Antonio Bryant Showing Signs Of Maturity (1 Viewer)

[Two Deep]

Reading this thread reminds me of the 3 things I look for in a successful fantasy player: talent, opprotunity and motivation. Bryant is 1 for 3. He has the talent. We've seen examples of how well he "CAN" play. But he doesn't seem to have the pther 2. Opportunity is dismal at best. Not that he's not getting a shot but it's Cleveland for goodness sakes. How much opportunity is going to get behind Edwards? In fact, after Winslow returns (assumming he does) his ooprtunity drops a little more. The there is the other thing that's been discussed here, motivation. He simply isn't motivated to do the things he needs to in order to succeed.

So a 1 for 3 guy won't be on my roster. Gotta have at least 1 & 3 or 2 & 3 in order to have a chnce. Talent alone won't get you anywhere unless your name is Clarett. Eventually a lack of #3 catches up to those guys.

2 things here. The article and thread is about how he is showing improvement in the motivation aspect. That and what makes you so sure he will be behind Edwards? I don't see anyone claiming either of Williamson or Williams starters, yet Edwards is?

Edwards may not be a starter RIGHT NOW, but do you sincerely think that Cleveland used the #3 overall pick on a guy they plan to use as a backup receiver behind Bryant for any length of time? I have trouble understanding how anyone could actually believe that.Here are the receivers who were drafted in the top 3 in the last 10 years:

Larry Fitzgerald - first year starter

Charles Rogers - first year starter (though injured)

Andre Johnson - first year starter

Keyshawn Johnson - first year starter

A good percentage of all first round WRs start in their first year. A high percentage of top 10 overall receivers start in their first year. As far as I can tell, a top 3 overall WR selection has never failed to start in his first year.

What if Bryant out plays Edwards would you say he will be WR #1 in Cleveland.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

For what it's worth...Tony Rizzo from the FOX TV affiliate in Cleveland was on Jacksonville radio today and said this about Bryant:"Far and away the best player at training camp.""Making all the catches, is in tremendous shape and running precise routes.""He has been a model citizen so far.""They (the Browns) are looking for big things from him this year."No link as it was a radio interview.

 

[jurb26]

For what it's worth...

Tony Rizzo from the FOX TV affiliate in Cleveland was on Jacksonville radio today and said this about Bryant:

"Far and away the best player at training camp."

"Making all the catches, is in tremendous shape and running precise routes."

"He has been a model citizen so far."

"They (the Browns) are looking for big things from him this year."

No link as it was a radio interview.

I'm telling ya this guy is a fantastic value play this year!

 

[mr blond]

Braylon must have read this article too

 

[jurb26]

Braylon must have read this article too

 

[Gr00vus]

I've always liked Antonio's talent, I think he got the shaft in Dallas. Sure he didn't toe the company line completely, but he really should have been given a chance ahead of Johnson or Glenn - particularly Johnson. He just wasn't a Parcells guy.I still like his talent, but his team situation isn't good. It's going to be tough to put up top 24 wr numbers in that offense, whoever you are. That's Bryant's problem now, draft accordingly.

 

[jurb26]

Get him now guys before the hype train takes off.

 

[gman8343]

Get him now guys before the hype train takes off.

Probably too late at this point...

 

[Pigskin P]

Get him now guys before the hype train takes off.

Probably too late at this point...

Yup. I was certain I could grab this guy round 10 or later... 24 hours before my draft and most of his value just evaporated.

 

[gman8343]

Get him now guys before the hype train takes off.

Probably too late at this point...

Yup. I was certain I could grab this guy round 10 or later... 24 hours before my draft and most of his value just evaporated.

I'm in the 11th round of a slow draft -- my turn is 4 picks from now. Bryant has been in my queue since yesterday, but I doubt I get him now...

 

[fsufan]

I hope is this year WR sleeper. I have him in 2 of my dynasty leagues.

 

[Gr00vus]

Guys, it's preseason, and it's the Browns - Trent Dilfer. I like Antonio but, temper your enthusiasm or you're going to be sad in November.

 

[jurb26]

I've always liked Antonio's talent, I think he got the shaft in Dallas. Sure he didn't toe the company line completely, but he really should have been given a chance ahead of Johnson or Glenn - particularly Johnson. He just wasn't a Parcells guy.

I still like his talent, but his team situation isn't good. It's going to be tough to put up top 24 wr numbers in that offense, whoever you are. That's Bryant's problem now, draft accordingly.

Guys, it's preseason, and it's the Browns - Trent Dilfer. I like Antonio but, temper your enthusiasm or you're going to be sad in November.

I don't understand what your trying to say here. You do realize I hope, that Bryant has an ADP of round 14 right now, the 59th WR off the board, a WR5 basically. As I said, get him now while you still can at a steal value.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't understand what your trying to say here. You do realize I hope, that Bryant has an ADP of round 14 right now, the 59th WR off the board, a WR5 basically. As I said, get him now while you still can at a steal value.

I'm talking about this:"Yup. I was certain I could grab this guy round 10 or later... 24 hours before my draft and most of his value just evaporated."

and this:

"I'm in the 11th round of a slow draft -- my turn is 4 picks from now. Bryant has been in my queue since yesterday, but I doubt I get him now..."

just a couple posts above.

So much for your round 14 theory, and there's people starting to get antsy that he won't be there for him outside double digits - which will just lead to more inflation. Then at the end of the season when he's got 785 yards and 5 td's people will wonder a) what they were thinking and b) why they kept starting him all year. If Frye pans out, next year is probably the season Antonio breaks out, but I don't think it happens this year on the 2005 Cleveland Browns.

Why is that hard to understand? I hope I've clarified some.

 

[J-Co]

Took him with my last pick (15th) last night. We'll see how it goes. Definitely wouldn't hurt to see a servicable WR emerge but I'm not too worried about it as right now he'd be the first to drop for a FA.

 

[jurb26]

I don't understand what your trying to say here.  You do realize I hope, that Bryant has an ADP of round 14 right now, the 59th WR off the board, a WR5 basically.  As I said, get him now while you still can at a steal value.

I'm talking about this:"Yup. I was certain I could grab this guy round 10 or later... 24 hours before my draft and most of his value just evaporated."

and this:

"I'm in the 11th round of a slow draft -- my turn is 4 picks from now. Bryant has been in my queue since yesterday, but I doubt I get him now..."

just a couple posts above.

So much for your round 14 theory, and there's people starting to get antsy that he won't be there for him outside double digits - which will just lead to more inflation. Then at the end of the season when he's got 785 yards and 5 td's people will wonder a) what they were thinking and b) why they kept starting him all year. If Frye pans out, next year is probably the season Antonio breaks out, but I don't think it happens this year on the 2005 Cleveland Browns.

Why is that hard to understand? I hope I've clarified some.

Even at round 10, he would be a WR3 or WR4 on fantasy teams. You act as though people are drafting him expecting WR2 numbers and that is simply not true. So yes, it is confusing that you would bash a guy that is going as a WR 3 or 4 currently as not being a true WR2. He is not going as a WR2!

 

[gman8343]

I don't understand what your trying to say here.  You do realize I hope, that Bryant has an ADP of round 14 right now, the 59th WR off the board, a WR5 basically.  As I said, get him now while you still can at a steal value.

I'm talking about this:"Yup. I was certain I could grab this guy round 10 or later... 24 hours before my draft and most of his value just evaporated."

and this:

"I'm in the 11th round of a slow draft -- my turn is 4 picks from now. Bryant has been in my queue since yesterday, but I doubt I get him now..."

just a couple posts above.

So much for your round 14 theory, and there's people starting to get antsy that he won't be there for him outside double digits - which will just lead to more inflation. Then at the end of the season when he's got 785 yards and 5 td's people will wonder a) what they were thinking and b) why they kept starting him all year. If Frye pans out, next year is probably the season Antonio breaks out, but I don't think it happens this year on the 2005 Cleveland Browns.

Why is that hard to understand? I hope I've clarified some.

Even at round 10, he would be a WR3 or WR4 on fantasy teams. You act as though people are drafting him expecting WR2 numbers and that is simply not true. So yes, it is confusing that you would bash a guy that is going as a WR 3 or 4 currently as not being a true WR2. He is not going as a WR2!

I agree. In my slow draft he would be my 5th WR, so it's not like I need 1200 & 10 TDs from the guy. It's just that of the WRs left, Bryant has the highest ceiling by far IMO.

 

[Pigskin P]

My point was that I thought he's be a great WR4 or 5 to grab in the later rounds of the draft (10+)... no way he'll be there in that late in my league now. I can't take him any earlier because others will be looking at him as a solid WR3 and reaching, so there goes his value.

 

[Gr00vus]

Even at round 10, he would be a WR3 or WR4 on fantasy teams. You act as though people are drafting him expecting WR2 numbers and that is simply not true. So yes, it is confusing that you would bash a guy that is going as a WR 3 or 4 currently as not being a true WR2. He is not going as a WR2!

Where exactly am I "bashing him"? We've had discussions before and you always seem to start reading in things that I haven't said and just aren't there. Where did I say he was going as a WR2, or that I'm expecting WR2 numbers? In short, what are you talking about? Enough with the straw man arguments ok?See this:

"My point was that I thought he's be a great WR4 or 5 to grab in the later rounds of the draft (10+)... no way he'll be there in that late in my league now. I can't take him any earlier because others will be looking at him as a solid WR3 and reaching, so there goes his value."

That's what I'm talking about. I'm saying that it's starting to sound like he's creeping up into the single digit rounds (as clearly evidenced by several posts in this very thread by gosh) - I don't think he belongs there, there are better things to be doing with those picks and people worrying about not getting him at that point are getting worked up over nothing. I'm saying you probably won't be that happy to start him at WR3 very often. I'm saying there's a definite ceiling for him this year, and it's not very high. He's not going to be the home run that some people think he could be. If I can draft him in round 16 I probably will, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it - and neither should anyone else. That's it, that's all, finito - comprende?

 

[jurb26]

I've always liked Antonio's talent, I think he got the shaft in Dallas. Sure he didn't toe the company line completely, but he really should have been given a chance ahead of Johnson or Glenn - particularly Johnson. He just wasn't a Parcells guy.

I still like his talent, but his team situation isn't good. It's going to be tough to put up top 24 wr numbers in that offense, whoever you are. That's Bryant's problem now, draft accordingly.

Even at round 10, he would be a WR3 or WR4 on fantasy teams.  You act as though people are drafting him expecting WR2 numbers and that is simply not true.  So yes, it is confusing that you would bash a guy that is going as a WR 3 or 4 currently as not being a true WR2.  He is not going as a WR2!

Where exactly am I "bashing him"? We've had discussions before and you always seem to start reading in things that I haven't said and just aren't there. Where did I say he was going as a WR2, or that I'm expecting WR2 numbers? In short, what are you talking about? Enough with the straw man arguments ok?See this:

"My point was that I thought he's be a great WR4 or 5 to grab in the later rounds of the draft (10+)... no way he'll be there in that late in my league now. I can't take him any earlier because others will be looking at him as a solid WR3 and reaching, so there goes his value."

That's what I'm talking about. I'm saying that it's starting to sound like he's creeping up into the single digit rounds (as clearly evidenced by several posts in this very thread by gosh) - I don't think he belongs there, there are better things to be doing with those picks and people worrying about not getting him at that point are getting worked up over nothing. I'm saying you probably won't be that happy to start him at WR3 very often. I'm saying there's a definite ceiling for him this year, and it's not very high. He's not going to be the home run that some people think he could be. If I can draft him in round 16 I probably will, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it - and neither should anyone else. That's it, that's all, finito - comprende?

How many leagues are you in where top 24 is not a WR2?

 

[Gr00vus]

It's going to be tough to put up top 24 wr numbers in that offense, whoever you are. That's Bryant's problem now, draft accordingly..... Where did I say he was going as a WR2, or that I'm expecting WR2 numbers? In short, what are you talking about? Enough with the straw man arguments ok?

How many leagues are you in where top 24 is not a WR2?

So your confusion seems to stem from a reading comprehension problem. See in the first quote I'm saying he won't make the top 24 WRs, ie. I EXPECT HE WON'T PUT UP WR2 NUMBERS. How is that inconsistent with my other statements? To refresh, those statements amount to, his ceiling is low this year, he's not worth a single digit draft choice, is really only a viable option around round 15, and people shouldn't worry about it if he does go sooner because he most probably won't be worth it and probably won't even make a very good WR3 at any point this year, and therefore may not even be great value at WR4/5. I'm all ears, really, to experience your next logic melt down.

 

[Pigskin P]

his ceiling is low this year, he's not worth a single digit draft choice, is really only a viable option around round 15, and people shouldn't worry about it if he does go sooner because he most probably won't be worth it

I understand your point - but I think his ceiling is higher. More in the 8-10 TD range with a longshot chance at the WR10-15 range. His floor is about 4-5 TDs WR50 range, which is where you could pick him up a week ago.

 

[Gr00vus]

his ceiling is low this year, he's not worth a single digit draft choice, is really only a viable option around round 15, and people shouldn't worry about it if he does go sooner because he most probably won't be worth it

I understand your point - but I think his ceiling is higher. More in the 8-10 TD range with a longshot chance at the WR10-15 range. His floor is about 4-5 TDs WR50 range, which is where you could pick him up a week ago.

I'd call that optomistic. That's my point, I don't see the Browns enabling any such numbers this year. If you can't get him at your "floor" vaue range you're better off without him, and don't sweat it.

 

[jurb26]

  It's going to be tough to put up top 24 wr numbers in that offense, whoever you are.  That's Bryant's problem now, draft accordingly..... Where did I say he was going as a WR2, or that I'm expecting WR2 numbers?  In short, what are you talking about?  Enough with the straw man arguments ok?

How many leagues are you in where top 24 is not a WR2?

So your confusion seems to stem from a reading comprehension problem. See in the first quote I'm saying he won't make the top 24 WRs, ie. I EXPECT HE WON'T PUT UP WR2 NUMBERS. How is that inconsistent with my other statements? To refresh, those statements amount to, his ceiling is low this year, he's not worth a single digit draft choice, is really only a viable option around round 15, and people shouldn't worry about it if he does go sooner because he most probably won't be worth it and probably won't even make a very good WR3 at any point this year, and therefore may not even be great value at WR4/5. I'm all ears, really, to experience your next logic melt down.

LOL, why are you comparing him to a WR2 at all? That is where the confusion comes from. Nobody else is, even those highest on him. His draft position is no where near a WR2. So it seems odd that a guy that no one was talking about or drafting as a WR2 suddenly gets compared to a WR2 by you, who clearly does not like him. Is this just some weak effort for you to try and emphasize your opinion that he has limited upside? I think so, and I'll move on.I see Bryant as a solid WR3/4 with possible upside for more. You can still land him as a WR5 or so as evidence of some of the posters, but the value is dwindling fast and he is creeping into the WR3/4 range, where I think his value balances out. Like I said get him soon or you will miss out on the value. A lot of guys probably already have.

BTW, I'd love to hear your logic and reasoning as to why he has such low upside. Saying he is only worth a pick in the 16th round is very harsh of nearly any player. Especially one who looks to start as a WR2 on an NFL team and averages over 700/4 a year while facing nothing but adversity. So you think Clev won't give the ops, why not though? What else does this team have to do but throw the ball? The running game has been terrible over the years and the D isn't great either. They look to be one of the worst 5 teams in the NFL in a tough division and will more than likely be behind a good bit. What is so bad about Bryant's situation in your expert opinion?

 

[Gr00vus]

LOL, why are you comparing him to a WR2 at all? That is where the confusion comes from. Nobody else is, even those highest on him. His draft position is no where near a WR2. So it seems odd that a guy that no one was talking about or drafting as a WR2 suddenly gets compared to a WR2 by you, who clearly does not like him. Is this just some weak effort for you to try and emphasize your opinion that he has limited upside? I think so, and I'll move on.

I see Bryant as a solid WR3/4 with possible upside for more. You can still land him as a WR5 or so as evidence of some of the posters, but the value is dwindling fast and he is creeping into the WR3/4 range, where I think his value balances out. Like I said get him soon or you will miss out on the value. A lot of guys probably already have.

BTW, I'd love to hear your logic and reasoning as to why he has such low upside. Saying he is only worth a pick in the 16th round is very harsh of nearly any player. Especially one who looks to start as a WR2 on an NFL team and averages over 700/4 a year while facing nothing but adversity. SO you think Clev won't give the ops, why not though? What else doews this team have to do but throw the ball? The running game has been terrible over the years and the D isn't great either. They look to be one of the worst 5 teams in the NFL in a tough division and will more than likely be behind a good bit. What is so bad about Bryant's situation in your expert opinion?

Again with the reading comprehension problems and the straw man arguments. I'll humor you though, because it really is enjoyable to see you fail to understand things that are obvious. I've already said I like him as a player. I've also said his situation is very bad, limiting his potential, which outweighs his personal talent. Why would I compare him to a WR2 for fantasy purposes? Because that's the kind of ceiling I need to draft a wr in the first 10 rounds. Looking for potential starters at WR, if they don't have at least a WR2 ceiling, they're really not worth much for FF purposes. It's a very simple, initial litmus test. You should like that since it's simple. Kinda like the arguments I made last year to you about why Shaun Alexander should be drafted higher and would perform better than Clinton Portis (remember that?) - they were simple and correct. Yet you still managed to fail to comprehend. Oh well I tried to help, just like I am here.Why does he have such low upside? Well you've already mentioned he's on one of the worst NFL teams this year. And that they play in a very tough division, against some very tough defenses. That's a start. They're offensive line isn't very good. The running game is suspect. The quarterback is very below average and a system quarterback who's only ever had success when the rest of the team was near bullet proof. The guy who would draw coverage from Bryant on the other side will likely be a rookie, not getting tons of respect, making Bryant the first and probably only concern of defensive coordinators. Then there's Bryant's own chequered past. Do I need to continue? Well, just in case Cleveland's offense was 5th to last overall last year, and I think they may have gotten worse this year - they certainly haven't gotten any better. The pieces don't seem to be in place for Antonio to do much better than a 15th round pick. I know, call me crazy.

I single this quote out because it's just plain hillarious:

"Saying he is only worth a pick in the 16th round is very harsh of nearly any player. "

It's funny for so many reasons.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

 

[jurb26]

indeed

 

[J-Co]

Don't think anyone mentioned it yet, but from today's game in DET.....TD 9:31 ANTONIO BRYANT 51 YD PASS FROM TRENT DILFER (PHIL DAWSON KICK) Cleveland Receiving REC YDS AVG TD LG A. Bryant 3 78 26.0 1 51 P. Irons 2 30 15.0 0 21 A. Shea 2 28 14.0 0 24 B. Rideau 2 25 12.5 0 16 R. Droughns 3 16 5.3 0 8 B. Edwards 3 14 4.7 1 7 R. Alston 1 14 14.0 0 14 S. Heiden 2 11 5.5 0 6 F. Jackson 1 8 8.0 0 8 L. Moore 1 4 4.0 0 4 T. Smith 1 1 1.0 0 1 S. McCullough 1 -2 -2.0 0 0 Team 22 211 9.6 2 51

 

[cstu]

Don't think anyone mentioned it yet, but from today's game in DET.....

TD 9:31 ANTONIO BRYANT 51 YD PASS FROM TRENT DILFER (PHIL DAWSON KICK)

Cleveland Receiving

REC YDS AVG TD LG

A. Bryant 3 78 26.0 1 51

P. Irons 2 30 15.0 0 21

A. Shea 2 28 14.0 0 24

B. Rideau 2 25 12.5 0 16

R. Droughns 3 16 5.3 0 8

B. Edwards 3 14 4.7 1 7

R. Alston 1 14 14.0 0 14

S. Heiden 2 11 5.5 0 6

F. Jackson 1 8 8.0 0 8

L. Moore 1 4 4.0 0 4

T. Smith 1 1 1.0 0 1

S. McCullough 1 -2 -2.0 0 0

Team 22 211 9.6 2 51

He's still not a WR2...

 

[jurb26]

LOL, why are you comparing him to a WR2 at all?  That is where the confusion comes from.  Nobody else is, even those highest on him.  His draft position is no where near a WR2.  So it seems odd that a guy that no one was talking about or drafting as a WR2 suddenly gets compared to a WR2 by you, who clearly does not like him.  Is this just some weak effort for you to try and emphasize your opinion that he has limited upside?  I think so, and I'll move on.

I see Bryant as a solid WR3/4 with possible upside for more.  You can still land him as a WR5 or so as evidence of some of the posters, but the value is dwindling fast and he is creeping into the WR3/4 range, where I think his value balances out.  Like I said get him soon or you will miss out on the value.  A lot of guys probably already have.

BTW, I'd love to hear your logic and reasoning as to why he has such low upside.  Saying he is only worth a pick in the 16th round is very harsh of nearly any player.  Especially one who looks to start as a WR2 on an NFL team and averages over 700/4 a year while facing nothing but adversity.  SO you think Clev won't give the ops, why not though?  What else doews this team have to do but throw the ball?  The running game has been terrible over the years and the D isn't great either.  They look to be one of the worst 5 teams in the NFL in a tough division and will more than likely be behind a good bit.  What is so bad about Bryant's situation in your expert opinion?

Again with the reading comprehension problems and the straw man arguments. I'll humor you though, because it really is enjoyable to see you fail to understand things that are obvious. I've already said I like him as a player. I've also said his situation is very bad, limiting his potential, which outweighs his personal talent. Why would I compare him to a WR2 for fantasy purposes? Because that's the kind of ceiling I need to draft a wr in the first 10 rounds. Looking for potential starters at WR, if they don't have at least a WR2 ceiling, they're really not worth much for FF purposes. It's a very simple, initial litmus test. You should like that since it's simple. Kinda like the arguments I made last year to you about why Shaun Alexander should be drafted higher and would perform better than Clinton Portis (remember that?) - they were simple and correct. Yet you still managed to fail to comprehend. Oh well I tried to help, just like I am here.Why does he have such low upside? Well you've already mentioned he's on one of the worst NFL teams this year. And that they play in a very tough division, against some very tough defenses. That's a start. They're offensive line isn't very good. The running game is suspect. The quarterback is very below average and a system quarterback who's only ever had success when the rest of the team was near bullet proof. The guy who would draw coverage from Bryant on the other side will likely be a rookie, not getting tons of respect, making Bryant the first and probably only concern of defensive coordinators. Then there's Bryant's own chequered past. Do I need to continue? Well, just in case Cleveland's offense was 5th to last overall last year, and I think they may have gotten worse this year - they certainly haven't gotten any better. The pieces don't seem to be in place for Antonio to do much better than a 15th round pick. I know, call me crazy.

I single this quote out because it's just plain hillarious:

"Saying he is only worth a pick in the 16th round is very harsh of nearly any player. "

It's funny for so many reasons.

In case you forgot (or just hadn't realized), Bryant was the #37 WR last year while changing teams midseason/adapting to a new team and missing a game. This is in the very same O that you think he is no better than a 15th round pick, or WR5/6.

 

[Gr00vus]

In case you forgot (or just hadn't realized), Bryant was the #37 WR last year while changing teams midseason/adapting to a new team and missing a game. This is in the very same O that you think he is no better than a 15th round pick, or WR5/6.

Awesome, you've got me all turned around on the subject now that you've pointed out his ceiling is actually not even WR3 in FF terms. Everyone, please draft Antonio Bryant early and often and make sure you start him whenever possible, it just makes sense.Disclaimer for dynasty owners - I do like Antonio as an NFL player and think he will put up numbers in future seasons (when his team situation improves), if you can get him cheap this year I advise you do so.

 

[Steelers4Life]

In case you forgot (or just hadn't realized), Bryant was the #37 WR last year while changing teams midseason/adapting to a new team and missing a game.  This is in the very same O that you think he is no better than a 15th round pick, or WR5/6.

Awesome, you've got me all turned around on the subject now that you've pointed out his ceiling is actually not even WR3 in FF terms. Everyone, please draft Antonio Bryant early and often and make sure you start him whenever possible, it just makes sense.Disclaimer for dynasty owners - I do like Antonio as an NFL player and think he will put up numbers in future seasons (when his team situation improves), if you can get him cheap this year I advise you do so.

Playing on the Browns, his ceiling is easily a WR2. Considering that once he got the starting job last year, he caught 31 balls for just over 400 yards and 4 TDs in his last 6 games, the opportunity is definitely there for him to catch enough balls and TDs to be a WR2. It's probably more realistic to hope for WR3 production, but it'd be foolish to discount the possibility. He's always had the talent = now he has the opportunity and an improved attitude to go with it.

 

[Gr00vus]

Allright, I'll acquiesce. Maybe I'm too down on the Browns. Maybe I've been too hopeful for Bryant in the past and have gone too far the other way this time. I really like Antonio's talent, so yeah he's worth a shot, I just wouldn't expect too much this year and don't think he's going to be a make or break guy in FF terms this year - which is really all I was ever trying to say. I really think WR2 FF numbers would be a pleasant big surprise.

 

[Gerg73]

He also had a SWEET 13 yard 1 handed catch called back because of a penalty. For those who didn't see his long TD it was against Pro-Bowl DB Dre Bly and he caught it down the sideline and dove into the EZ with Terrance Holt (FS) draped on him from the 3 yard line. He looked AWESOME today.Mark him down for 1,000 and 6 TD's - As a Floor.

 

[cstu]

He also had a SWEET 13 yard 1 handed catch called back because of a penalty. For those who didn't see his long TD it was against Pro-Bowl DB Dre Bly and he caught it down the sideline and dove into the EZ with Terrance Holt (FS) draped on him from the 3 yard line. He looked AWESOME today.

Mark him down for 1,000 and 6 TD's - As a Floor.

 

[Mapmaker]

Maybe everyone's missing the boat here ... maybe it's a colour issue with Antonio ... maybe he just feel's good in brown and orange, ... no matter what he certainly looks like he's enjoying playing for Romeo and seems to have a very good relationship with Dilfer ... Bryant made some great catches, his route running was crisp, his blocking was solid and effective ... he put on a show with his speed, strength and overall field presence against Detroit yesterday .... since I was near the end of my slow draft and he was still there in round 15 ... I que'd him up for my WR5 ... right behind B.Edwards .... Edwards fell to me ... oh well, I tried !

 

[cstu]

Maybe everyone's missing the boat here ... maybe it's a colour issue with Antonio ... maybe he just feel's good in brown and orange, ... no matter what he certainly looks like he's enjoying playing for Romeo and seems to have a very good relationship with Dilfer ... Bryant made some great catches, his route running was crisp, his blocking was solid and effective ... he put on a show with his speed, strength and overall field presence against Detroit yesterday .... since I was near the end of my slow draft and he was still there in round 15 ... I que'd him up for my WR5 ... right behind B.Edwards .... Edwards fell to me ... oh well, I tried !

I'm not disagreeing that Bryant has been playing well, but he's not even the best WR (Edwards) on his own team, not to mention a couple more decent WR's in Northcutt and Davis. If the Browns had a high-powered offense, then I might be willing to give Bryant some upside. However, there won't be enough targets to go around in a Dilfer-QB'ed offense to make him a worthwhile pick. You are better off getting Edwards or one of the young WR's on good offenses like Reggie Williams or Troy Williamson.

 

[jurb26]

Maybe everyone's missing the boat here ... maybe it's a colour issue with Antonio ... maybe he just feel's good in brown and orange, ... no matter what he certainly looks like he's enjoying playing for Romeo and seems to have a very good relationship with Dilfer ... Bryant made some great catches, his route running was crisp, his blocking was solid and effective ... he put on a show with his speed, strength and overall field presence against Detroit yesterday .... since I was near the end of my slow draft and he was still there in round 15 ... I que'd him up for my WR5 ... right behind B.Edwards .... Edwards fell to me ... oh well, I tried !

I'm not disagreeing that Bryant has been playing well, but he's not even the best WR (Edwards) on his own team, not to mention a couple more decent WR's in Northcutt and Davis. If the Browns had a high-powered offense, then I might be willing to give Bryant some upside. However, there won't be enough targets to go around in a Dilfer-QB'ed offense to make him a worthwhile pick. You are better off getting Edwards or one of the young WR's on good offenses like Reggie Williams or Troy Williamson.

Right now, yes, he is the best WR on his team. Edwards is a rookie, remember.

 

[MSULions]

Maybe everyone's missing the boat here ... maybe it's a colour issue with Antonio ... maybe he just feel's good in brown and orange, ... no matter what he certainly looks like he's enjoying playing for Romeo and seems to have a very good relationship with Dilfer ... Bryant made some great catches, his route running was crisp, his blocking was solid and effective ... he put on a show with his speed, strength and overall field presence against Detroit yesterday .... since I was near the end of my slow draft and he was still there in round 15 ... I que'd him up for my WR5 ... right behind B.Edwards .... Edwards fell to me ... oh well, I tried !

I'm not disagreeing that Bryant has been playing well, but he's not even the best WR (Edwards) on his own team, not to mention a couple more decent WR's in Northcutt and Davis. If the Browns had a high-powered offense, then I might be willing to give Bryant some upside. However, there won't be enough targets to go around in a Dilfer-QB'ed offense to make him a worthwhile pick. You are better off getting Edwards or one of the young WR's on good offenses like Reggie Williams or Troy Williamson.

Right now, yes, he is the best WR on his team. Edwards is a rookie, remember.

I had to laugh at a draft yesterday when Braylon went in the 10th, and I took Bryant at 16.03 (12 team league) as WR 46 Sure Edwards may be talented, but no way does he out perform Bryant as a rookie....

 

[el-gato-grande]

I think Bryant is the perfect WR3 or WR4. You always want late round guys with upside potential and getting a team's best receiver that late in your fantasy draft spells value.

 

[cstu]

Maybe everyone's missing the boat here ... maybe it's a colour issue with Antonio ... maybe he just feel's good in brown and orange, ... no matter what he certainly looks like he's enjoying playing for Romeo and seems to have a very good relationship with Dilfer ... Bryant made some great catches, his route running was crisp, his blocking was solid and effective ... he put on a show with his speed, strength and overall field presence against Detroit yesterday .... since I was near the end of my slow draft and he was still there in round 15 ... I que'd him up for my WR5 ... right behind B.Edwards .... Edwards fell to me ... oh well, I tried !

I'm not disagreeing that Bryant has been playing well, but he's not even the best WR (Edwards) on his own team, not to mention a couple more decent WR's in Northcutt and Davis. If the Browns had a high-powered offense, then I might be willing to give Bryant some upside. However, there won't be enough targets to go around in a Dilfer-QB'ed offense to make him a worthwhile pick. You are better off getting Edwards or one of the young WR's on good offenses like Reggie Williams or Troy Williamson.

Right now, yes, he is the best WR on his team. Edwards is a rookie, remember.

I had to laugh at a draft yesterday when Braylon went in the 10th, and I took Bryant at 16.03 (12 team league) as WR 46 Sure Edwards may be talented, but no way does he out perform Bryant as a rookie....

We'll see...

 

[fsufan]

I'm not disagreeing that Bryant has been playing well, but he's not even the best WR (Edwards) on his own team, not to mention a couple more decent WR's in Northcutt and Davis.  If

How can you say this? Edwards is a rookie.Remember guys like Leaf, Couch and many other 1st round bust

 

[GATZ]

I'm AMAZED that Antionio Freakin Bryant's getting this much smack.

 

[cstu]

I'm not disagreeing that Bryant has been playing well, but he's not even the best WR (Edwards) on his own team, not to mention a couple more decent WR's in Northcutt and Davis. If

How can you say this? Edwards is a rookie.Remember guys like Leaf, Couch and many other 1st round bust

I'm saying that because he's bigger and faster than Bryant. I expect a decent year out of Bryant (at least 700/4) but Edwards is going to get a lot of red zone targets. Bryant is a good value where he's being drafted (~46 WR) and could end up in the 30's, but I live Edwards' potential to play big later in the year, especially in the playoffs (like Fitz back to back 2 TD games in week 15 and 16 last year).

 

[Gerg73]

I'm saying that because he's bigger and faster than Bryant.

Much like Reggie Williams was "Bigger and Faster" than Jimmy Smith and Bryant Johnson was "Bigger and faster" than A. Boldin etc. etc. etc.This is not to hate on Edwards, he will be the #1 guy by the end of the season and will be the main redzone target (Both times the Browns make the red Zone this year! )But to think that a ROOKIE who missed over 25 practices in a Hold Out will be the #1 target over a player that hasd built a relationship with his QB and is coming off an 800-4 Year While being the #3 WR most of the year and with Luke McCown throwing to him is If you want to disregard what Crennel, Dilfer and EVERY Browns writer has to say about Bryant, that's on you.But Bryant will DEFINITLEY get 1,000 yards this year. Care to place a wager since your so quick to at my post??

 

[Sabertooth]

he's a ##### bag, but a talented ##### bag. I guess he could be in for a big year, but I doubt it.

Couldn't all these things about maturity be said about T.O. or Moss?I don't put Bryant in with those guys, but let's be honest here - wide receivers are divas. They are colorful, boastful, and like attention. They pout when they don't get their way and they are disruptive when the "don't get no love."

 

[tri-man 47]

Don't forget that Edwards comes from a solid football family (his dad also was a star at Michigan). I believe his football IQ and respect for the game will differ from many of the 'divas.'

 

[gman8343]

he's a ##### bag, but a talented ##### bag. I guess he could be in for a big year, but I doubt it.

Couldn't all these things about maturity be said about T.O. or Moss?I don't put Bryant in with those guys, but let's be honest here - wide receivers are divas. They are colorful, boastful, and like attention. They pout when they don't get their way and they are disruptive when the "don't get no love."

This is true, and I've been impressed with Bryant so far. The difference between him and guys like CJohnson and TO is that they've proved they're studs, they've earned the right to have an attitude - coaches know they have to put up with it to some degree. Bryant has been more or less a failure since a promising rookie year, so he has no right to be cocky (yet). That said, I like his upside a lot compared to the group of WRs he's being drafted around.

 

[Sabertooth]

MassRaider, you're expecting 800-900 yards and 6-8 TD's or you are praying for that?

I expect 450 yards and 2 td's. Anything over that is gravy.

Obviously you can have your own opinion. But he got more than that after his midseason trade last year. If you project out his Cleveland stats, he comes in at about 67 catches for 873 yards and 6 tds. That's all MassRaider is projecting this season.Also, he did this with guys like Kelly Holcomb and Jeff Garcia. Dilfer is at least the equal of those two guys. I think he's a great throw in player at the end of a draft.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

With the departure of Davis, I like Bryant's chances a lot better.HOWEVER, two things to consider:This is pre-season. A LOT of people have looked great in pre-season over the years who have gone on to do squat in the regular season - Antonio Bryant in previous years included.Antonio Bryant drops a lot of balls, or at least HAS dropped a lot of balls in the past. There is no disputing this. Maybe he has gotten over whatever has caused this issue. Maybe he hasn't.