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Any body think that Rhodes looked WAY more impressive than Addai has t (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
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Some interesting quotes in today's Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. Packers beat writer Bob McGinn interviewed some assistant coaches of teams who have played the Colts this season and all of them stated quite clearly that they don't believe there's much, if any, drop-off from Addai to Rhodes. In fact, one coach said in his opinion the two are equal.
I thought Rhodes looked good today. He was considerably more active in the passing game than Addai has been and he had some good runs where he ran hard. Now, the Packers' run defense is pretty bad but Green Bay's defense overall played quite well today so for Rhodes to get 70+ and 2 TDs is a very good day.
I don't think Addai is in any danger of losing his job when he comes back but I would not be surprised if we see the carries divided in similar fashion to what what we saw two seasons ago when Addai and Rhodes were together in Addai's rookie season. I think Rhodes has looked just as good as Addai has this season and if there are any lingering issues with Addai's injury, the Colts lose nothing turning to Rhodes full-time.
I thought Rhodes looked good today. He was considerably more active in the passing game than Addai has been and he had some good runs where he ran hard. Now, the Packers' run defense is pretty bad but Green Bay's defense overall played quite well today so for Rhodes to get 70+ and 2 TDs is a very good day.
I don't think Addai is in any danger of losing his job when he comes back but I would not be surprised if we see the carries divided in similar fashion to what what we saw two seasons ago when Addai and Rhodes were together in Addai's rookie season. I think Rhodes has looked just as good as Addai has this season and if there are any lingering issues with Addai's injury, the Colts lose nothing turning to Rhodes full-time.
millertyme1
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They haven't lost anything going from Addai to Rhodes IMO. Rhodes does seem to run with much more authority. The thing I've always noticed with Addai is his first move is always a stutter step instead of just hitting the hole. I do see a closer split when Addai's healthy.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
I have them both, I hope one of them gets the majority of the carries. The flow of the game today (turnovers) cost Rhoades quite a few touches also.
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Broadway Joe
Footballguy
Yeah Addai is approaching journey man status. Without 35-40 recpts and 4 rec TD's he is ordinary. The one saving grace use to be the Colts prolific offense but that is a memory so far.
zamboni
Footballguy
Rhodes may not be setting the world on fire himself, but he's still managing to be more productive than Addai - and just as importantly, staying healthier.
No doubt that has to be weighing heavily in Dungy's eyes. I could easily see a reasonably even split when Addai comes back.
No doubt that has to be weighing heavily in Dungy's eyes. I could easily see a reasonably even split when Addai comes back.
blackjack23
Footballguy
In my eyes he looked about the same running the ball but was a MUCH bigger threat in the passing game. They seemed to target him a ton. Im not sure why he was targeted so much more than Addai was this year. IMO they are similar runners. As an Addai owner, a 60/40 wont bother me too much if it makes him more effective and keeps him healthy.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Rhodes is playing for his NFL life... any touch of the ball could be his last. Also, he has some tough Ds coming up; lets see how he does.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Switz is NOT going to be happy. 
packersfan
Footballguy
I'll be interested to see if Rhodes' good play the last two games spurs Addai to try and return sooner than the 2-4 week timetable. I think it's clear based on the last two games that the Colts don't need him so even though their season could be in a world of hurt if they lose to Tennessee next week, I doubt Dungy will feel the need to get Addai back soon.
But Addai sure might.
But Addai sure might.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
He had the toughest D last week, and did pretty well. He had more rushing yard in that game than Addai has had in his last 14 games.
Kuz
Footballguy
I tend to agree with this as well...
hostile
Footballguy
I'm on the bubble on this.
I wish I had the link handy, but iirc, I read that Addai's hammy has been tweaked all season, and it just finally gave out. Not only that, he has had to play behind a rag-tag offensive line and has played some of the better run defenses. Rhodes steps in and gets behind a (mostly) healthy line, and has to face easier run Ds (its pretty easy to look decent against GB lately).
I traded for Addai before Week 4, not for what he was going to do in the middle of the season, but mostly for the stretch run, starting in Week 11, so that will be the start of my crucible burning. It will also help if Manning/Wayne/Harrison can get back on track and start stretching the field again. The Colts have a very nice schedule to close out the year, so I'm anxious to see what he can do with a healthy hammy, a healthy O-line, and a favourable schedule - three things which have not been in place so far this year for him.
If he doesnt live up to the hype from Week 11 on, then I'll agreed with the non-Kool-Aid drinkers. For now, my patient jury is still out.
I wish I had the link handy, but iirc, I read that Addai's hammy has been tweaked all season, and it just finally gave out. Not only that, he has had to play behind a rag-tag offensive line and has played some of the better run defenses. Rhodes steps in and gets behind a (mostly) healthy line, and has to face easier run Ds (its pretty easy to look decent against GB lately).
I traded for Addai before Week 4, not for what he was going to do in the middle of the season, but mostly for the stretch run, starting in Week 11, so that will be the start of my crucible burning. It will also help if Manning/Wayne/Harrison can get back on track and start stretching the field again. The Colts have a very nice schedule to close out the year, so I'm anxious to see what he can do with a healthy hammy, a healthy O-line, and a favourable schedule - three things which have not been in place so far this year for him.
If he doesnt live up to the hype from Week 11 on, then I'll agreed with the non-Kool-Aid drinkers. For now, my patient jury is still out.
switz
Footballguy
I love these threads. 
How many carries did Rhodes get when Addai was healthy?
Against BAL, Rhodes was averaging 1.5 YPC outside his long run (yeah, can't take out the long run yada)
GB is the 28th ranked rush defense... and Rhodes averaged 3.7 YPC, that's impressive?
Addai didn't play a single game with the entire OL back, yet in the games with just Saturday back, he averaged 4.5 YPC or so.
Yeah, Rhodes looks alot better
I love the Addai hate on these boards (he's talentless, any RB would do great in that system)... hey, guess what... Rhodes didn't do as well as Addai.
How many carries did Rhodes get when Addai was healthy?
Against BAL, Rhodes was averaging 1.5 YPC outside his long run (yeah, can't take out the long run yada)
GB is the 28th ranked rush defense... and Rhodes averaged 3.7 YPC, that's impressive?
Addai didn't play a single game with the entire OL back, yet in the games with just Saturday back, he averaged 4.5 YPC or so.
Yeah, Rhodes looks alot better
I love the Addai hate on these boards (he's talentless, any RB would do great in that system)... hey, guess what... Rhodes didn't do as well as Addai.
switz
Footballguy
Just one example of the Addai hate... this is a false statement.Addai had 78 against JAX, two games prior to Rhodes having 73 against BAL. It took Addai 16 attempts, it took Rhodes 25 attempts. BTW, the week prior, versus Hou Addai had 71 yards (2 less) on 8 fewer carries.Burning Sensation said:
You guys are great at comedy...
packersfan
Footballguy
switz, there are some things you are ignoring:
1. There are coaches in the league who believe Rhodes is as talented as Addai or who believe there is a meaningful drop-off from Addai to Rhodes. I mentioned that above. So it's not people in the FBG message board. There are people in the NFL who are paid to evaluate talent who don't think Addai is any better than Rhodes or isn't much better.
2. 3.7 YPC is a better YPC than Addai has produced this season. And in his last 13 games dating back to last season, Addai has been held under 3.7 YPC eight times.
3. The Colts' offense lost nothing the past two games with Addai out. They overwhelmed a great Baltimore defense last week and against Green Bay Rhodes put up more rushing yards than Addai has had this season in every game but one and had as many receptions in one game as Addai has had all season long.
The problem for Addai is the longer this season goes on, the stronger the evidence grows that he is nothing more than a "system" RB who isn't blessed with considerable talent. The fact the Colts' offense has lost nothing when going from Addai to Dominic Rhodes (who I doubt anyone would argue is anything more than an average or slightly above average RB) could be viewed as further evidence of this point of view.
As an Addai owner, I wish this wasn't the case. But I have to be a realist and the reality here is Addai has been nothing special this season, Rhodes has arguably outperformed him the past two weeks and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this was a full-blown RBBC the rest of the season should Addai return to health.
1. There are coaches in the league who believe Rhodes is as talented as Addai or who believe there is a meaningful drop-off from Addai to Rhodes. I mentioned that above. So it's not people in the FBG message board. There are people in the NFL who are paid to evaluate talent who don't think Addai is any better than Rhodes or isn't much better.
2. 3.7 YPC is a better YPC than Addai has produced this season. And in his last 13 games dating back to last season, Addai has been held under 3.7 YPC eight times.
3. The Colts' offense lost nothing the past two games with Addai out. They overwhelmed a great Baltimore defense last week and against Green Bay Rhodes put up more rushing yards than Addai has had this season in every game but one and had as many receptions in one game as Addai has had all season long.
The problem for Addai is the longer this season goes on, the stronger the evidence grows that he is nothing more than a "system" RB who isn't blessed with considerable talent. The fact the Colts' offense has lost nothing when going from Addai to Dominic Rhodes (who I doubt anyone would argue is anything more than an average or slightly above average RB) could be viewed as further evidence of this point of view.
As an Addai owner, I wish this wasn't the case. But I have to be a realist and the reality here is Addai has been nothing special this season, Rhodes has arguably outperformed him the past two weeks and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this was a full-blown RBBC the rest of the season should Addai return to health.
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Burning Sensation
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Sorry, you are right, he had one game better than Rhodes against the Ravens in his last 14 games. Also, i dont hate Addai, i drafted him in my main dynasty league with the 1.3 rookie pick a few years ago. I traded him this offseason because i believed his value was heavily inflated by his supporting cast. That and i didnt believe he could handle a full workload over an entire season.
packersfan
Footballguy
The sad thing is I was able to pick up a RB off the WW this week (Kevin Smith) and get the same type of production from him than I've been getting from Addai this season.
millertyme1
Footballguy
It's quite pathetic.
millertyme1
Footballguy
Very IMO. I don't understand why you'd deal from a situation (Indy RB's) when you've got it locked up. Being the Addai owner is all the reason in the world to keep Rhodes.
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blake
Footballguy
nope, great point - that's why i wanted to ask. i guess my thinking is, what happens next week or something when rhodes struggles? his value goes in the tank to those not looking closely. then, when addai comes back, i'm not sure i want to hold onto a backup...unless they are an RBBC which to my knowledge hasn't been determined.i'm just saying...if i could get a bonafide good RB for rhodes, why not pull the trigger? that said, i highly doubt i could. but if...
packersfan
Footballguy
It depends on what you're being offered. I think there are three possibilities for the Colts' RB situation the rest of the season:1. Addai returns to full health and dominates the touches again.2. Addai returns to full health but Rhodes gets a larger role and this becomes a RBBC.3. Addai can't get healthy and Rhodes takes over as the primary RB. My personal opinion is No. 1 is the least likely to happen. I'm not convinced Addai will return to full health and even if he does I think Rhodes has shown enough to earn a much larger piece of the pie.
blake
Footballguy
always like your posts, packersfan. thanks for the input.
packersfan
Footballguy
As an Addai owner who doesn't have Rhodes I sure as hell would love to see No. 1 occur but I see no realistic reason to think that it will. Addai hasn't looked better than Rhodes and given how the Colts handled Harrison's injury last season in terms of disclosure, I'm not confident Addai will be back anytime soon. I'd sure love for him to be a RB1 when he does return but at this point I'm just hoping he can be a good RB2. I'm not sure that's a given by any means.
switz
Footballguy
Quotes? And something better than "I think we'll be able to go on without him..." which is total coach speak. Every coach thinks they'll manage just fine with the backup in.
Except Addai was facing 8-men in the box with 3 starters missing from the OL when he was playing, Rhodes has the benefit of Manning being back in form, and a 100% healthy OL. But hey, let's just ignore all that because it doesn't fit our objective.
Rhodes has been used in the passing game much more than Addai, no debate on that. But the running game the past two weeks WAS a big dropoff from the previous two weeks. (4.9 & 4.2 > 2.6 & 3.7)
Problem is that the "whole picture" doesn't support that argument. Only cherry picked stats.
It's cool with me, I won't need to draft Addai early next year...blackjack23
Footballguy
Seriously? Did you sleep thru yesterday's game? Manning was horrible.Also, wasnt Ugoh and their LG still out yesterday?
millertyme1
Footballguy
Dude is comedy. If only the wall could throw the #### back at him.
packersfan
Footballguy
switz, I'm not an "Addai hater." My objective is to be as objective as possible when it comes to evaluating the players on my roster. I wish I could sit here and say I think Addai is a superstar and he's going to carry me to my league title. But the reality is he's been this year's biggest bust, his backup has arguably outperformed him and his injury could lend itself to a season-long concern. These are the realities and as much as I wish they would go away as an Addai owner they probably won't. So I have to prepare myself for what's to come and the best way in my opinion to do that is to look at the situation objectively and not overrate the talent of the players on my roster. At the Week 8 juncture of the season it's become clear I can't expect Addai to perform as a RB1. I can't expect him to produce the way RBs such as Gore and Barber will and one of the main reasons for that is because, in my opinion, he isn't as talented as either one of them.
But that's purely subjective. What isn't subjective is the fact he hasn't been a RB1 this season and there's no real reason at this time to believe he will become one anytime soon.
As far as the quotes, I don't have them because I read them in the paper yesterday. They're available on the pay section of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's web site but I'm not paying for that. Anyway, they weren't quotes from the Colts; they were quotes from opposing coaches who did not believe there was any drop-off from Addai to Rhodes and one quote which said he believed the two RBs are equal in talent.
But that's purely subjective. What isn't subjective is the fact he hasn't been a RB1 this season and there's no real reason at this time to believe he will become one anytime soon.
As far as the quotes, I don't have them because I read them in the paper yesterday. They're available on the pay section of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's web site but I'm not paying for that.
Anyway, they weren't quotes from the Colts; they were quotes from opposing coaches who did not believe there was any drop-off from Addai to Rhodes and one quote which said he believed the two RBs are equal in talent.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I doubt anyone is saying that Rhodes has above average NFL talent, either. Addai and Rhodes are both average NFL RB talents.I love these threads.How many carries did Rhodes get when Addai was healthy?Against BAL, Rhodes was averaging 1.5 YPC outside his long run (yeah, can't take out the long run yada)GB is the 28th ranked rush defense... and Rhodes averaged 3.7 YPC, that's impressive?Addai didn't play a single game with the entire OL back, yet in the games with just Saturday back, he averaged 4.5 YPC or so.Yeah, Rhodes looks alot better :(I love the Addai hate on these boards (he's talentless, any RB would do great in that system)... hey, guess what... Rhodes didn't do as well as Addai.
The_U
Footballguy
I'm always partial to that fine avatar packersfan sports too. A larger version of that pic of Scarlett might cause The_U to sport something of his own...always like your posts, packersfan. thanks for the input.
I have begun to tire of Addai's game on the whole. I am still a fan of his and hope he rebounds but he just seems soft to me and while I am a big switz fan, the production Joseph has generated since mid-last season has been lesser than what I personally expect from a top ranked fantasy back. There is just no argument that can be made for Addai remaining elite right now.
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zamboni
Footballguy
I think that's a fair assessment. It's been the TDs that has kep Addai among the fantasy elite, but he doesn't get enough touches/yards to compensate when the always-variable TDs aren't there. I don't all of a sudden see Dungy changing his approach and giving Addai 20-25 carries a game when he's having problems staying healthy at around 15 a game.
packersfan
Footballguy
Rhodes didn't get many carries tonight but he again looked much better than Addai. Given how awful Addai was (17 carries/32 yards), it's surprising he got so many more carries than Rhodes. Perhaps if the Colts got Rhodes more involved they would have won more easily than they did. Addai's now averaging a sizzling 41 rushing yards a game this season.
blackjack23
Footballguy
Addai is terrible. Cant wait to see the spin on this one. And this coming from an Addai supporter before the season. I will never draft him again.blackjack23
Footballguy
Addai hasnt gotten more than 78 yds rushing since week 9 of last year
blackjack23
Footballguy
6 100 yd rushing games in his career.
blackjack23
Footballguy
3.14 YPC this season
packersfan
Footballguy
This is the same defense Antonio Pittman ran all over last week. Addai looks like he's running in mud. Rhodes ran with burst and authority on his runs. He even broke tackles. Did Addai break a single tackle tonight. The guy is charmin soft. He goes down after initial contact every time. As far as next year's draft, I'll view him the same way I viewed Maroney this year - I want no part of him unless he represents ridiculous value.
packersfan
Footballguy
Rhodes ran behind the same line and doubled Addai's YPC average. From what I saw the Colts made a huge mistake giving Addai so many carries and not giving Rhodes more work.
blackjack23
Footballguy
No question Indy has a poor run blocking unit but Rhodes makes more happen even with the poor blocking than Addai. I mean for God sakes, Rhodes put up 70+ yards rushing vs BAL & TEN the last 2 weeks and Addai can only manage 32 vs NE? Hes horrible, he dances behind the line, he falls down on first contact, for some reason he stays in to passblock ALOT more than Rhodes, and he gets dinged up all the time. Next week vs Pitt theres no way Im playing him. Id rather start Torain if he starts.And dont give me this he was injured BS excuse. He got 17 carries and Rhodes barely played. If he was still hurt he wouldve split alot more time.
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TakiToki
Footballguy
I understand that Addai had a poor performance, but trotting out the YPC statistic for a comparison basis is just plain silly. Rhodes had four carries.
