belljr
Footballguy
I'm in the dugout cowering in a cornerI go out to center field when my daughter pitches.
I'm in the dugout cowering in a cornerI go out to center field when my daughter pitches.
I've read a lot of books and articles on the mental part of coaching young kids.Pitcher is a stressful position for sure, I just think the pacing and coaching from the sidelines just adds to the pressure. Let the kid pitch, just be supportive and talk to them after the game about form and technique. Or let the coach chat with them in the dugout. Some girls look so dejected out there it can be heartbreaking. :(
What's the bolded mean?Reaper said:Assistant Coach for 10U.... My daughter is starting her 1st full year Pitching - Been going to a Tincher Pitching coach and having some fun with it...
Crazy how Girls pitching seems 10x harder than Boys at this level... Been on the fastpitch Forums more than here lately!!
Guessing this is the big year which should flow right into Williamsport and possibly Travel where they should take a big step up...
So far, having a blast... But, last thing i want to do is start travelling anywhere.....lol, we'll see.
Waiting for the Snow/Cold weather to end so we can get out there instead of indoor time.
After the Spring league we have an "allstar" Williamsport team which plays other towns and can make it to Williamsport?What's the bolded mean?
For the first two years of my daughters pitching development she was never told to "throw strikes". Myself and her coaches always instructed her to throw hard and not to worry about where the ball went. There were many games where we would lose 13-12 and the other team wouldn't get a hit. But in the long run it really paid off.I've read a lot of books and articles on the mental part of coaching young kids.
One of the hardest things is to not put pressure accidentally on the kids. Even things like "just one more strike" can derail kids at a younger age
Somebody might want to tell your league, Little League Softball World Series is in OregonAfter the Spring league we have an "allstar" Williamsport team which plays other towns and can make it to Williamsport?
So I was told...lol... Also I was told most of the players make it since many go away to camp.
Bottom line that team is more intense and practices will be a step up for us, as will competition.
Been thereFor the first two years of my daughters pitching development she was never told to "throw strikes". Myself and her coaches always instructed her to throw hard and not to worry about where the ball went. There were many games where we would lose 13-12 and the other team wouldn't get a hit. But in the long run it really paid off.
For the 1st few years once Spring broke and weather was good enough - what was the home practice like? Almost Every day?For the first two years of my daughters pitching development she was never told to "throw strikes". Myself and her coaches always instructed her to throw hard and not to worry about where the ball went. There were many games where we would lose 13-12 and the other team wouldn't get a hit. But in the long run it really paid off.
Somebody might want to tell your league, Little League Softball World Series is in Oregon
No, we try not to throw back to back days. She gets the month of August (except tryouts) and December off from pitching and only does team related activities. On the days she doesn't do full throwing, she works about 15-20 minutes on different spins.For the 1st few years once Spring broke and weather was good enough - what was the home practice like? Almost Every day?
I can see her getting burned out if I push too hard - Feel like there's a fine line at this point between pushing a little and her trying to find out what she wants to do and if she loves pitching THAT much to train like your going to the Olympics....
It wont ever be enough Just try not to go crazy. Shes still 10. There will be some long and frustrating sessions. Just when you think she turned a corner - she will take a step backwardsGood Stuff.... I'm just trying to figure it out - yet, if she does want top go All-In and be a #1 pitcher then we are at least on a path towards that.
Gonna be an interesting season - Checking weather reports every day for a break - tough to get enough cage time right now then the occasional sickness sets us back.
Been seeing the PC like every other week then trying to get cage work in so, really just throwing 1x a week right now till weather breaks.
She does do some drill the PC told here at home - not enough, of course....
My daughter wanted to pitch and just did it on her own starting about 8-9 yrs old. She would practice in the backyard off an on mostly in season. She was always on a team that had a #1 so never really got much game action until she was 11/12 and then she pitched about half the time and some in all-stars. As she got into high school she found herself in a position where there wasn't much pitching competition and ended up pitching half the time as a freshman on the JV team and then most of the time on JV as a sophomore. As a Junior she was Varsity #2 pitcher but played CF every game since the team rolled with their #1 for 90% of the innings. This year as a senior she is the only pitcher they have. She has never gone to a pitching coach regularly and only worked in the back yard. She has pitched some the last couple years on her travel team but probably 3-4 innings a weekend for tournaments as the team had a few pitchers they rotated between.For the 1st few years once Spring broke and weather was good enough - what was the home practice like? Almost Every day?
I can see her getting burned out if I push too hard - Feel like there's a fine line at this point between pushing a little and her trying to find out what she wants to do and if she loves pitching THAT much to train like your going to the Olympics....
The key imo, is to know the player. What you can and what will motivate one player can shut down another.I've read a lot of books and articles on the mental part of coaching young kids.
One of the hardest things is to not put pressure accidentally on the kids. Even things like "just one more strike" can derail kids at a younger age
Exactly this. Especially at the ages you guys' daughters areIf a pitcher can locate their fastball and throw a solid changeup they should be fine. A lot of the fancy pitches wind up as flat fastballs most of the time in my experience. Keeping the ball down and on the corners is more valuable that throwing crappy risers or screw balls IMO.
At 10U I've seen some absolutely awful CUs work. Problem I see, is most coaches at the younger ages are intoxicated by velocity so they rarely call the CU. Little Susie at 10 can throw the ball 48-50 mph so they just call FB, FB, FB and never have the kid throw CUs. Then the kid gets to 12U, moves back 5 feet, the ball gets bigger, the kids get better and Susie starts getting shelled.If a pitcher can locate their fastball and throw a solid changeup they should be fine. A lot of the fancy pitches wind up as flat fastballs most of the time in my experience. Keeping the ball down and on the corners is more valuable that throwing crappy risers or screw balls IMO.
At 10U I've seen some absolutely awful CUs work. Problem I see, is most coaches at the younger ages are intoxicated by velocity so they rarely call the CU. Little Susie at 10 can throw the ball 48-50 mph so they just call FB, FB, FB and never have the kid throw CUs. Then the kid gets to 12U, moves back 5 feet, the ball gets bigger, the kids get better and Susie starts getting shelled.
I think its a victory at any level to get a piece of an offspeed pitch at 0-2. Spoil pitches and hope the pitcher makes a mistake....In tournament play last Summer if a hitter got down 2 strikes in the count they almost always saw a change up. The girls learned to adjust but there were some pretty silly swings at the start of the season. If they could foul it off is was considered a victory.
Foul it off and sit fastball. Rare (in my experience) to see 2 offspeed pitches in a row at that levelGally said:I think its a victory at any level to get a piece of an offspeed pitch at 0-2. Spoil pitches and hope the pitcher makes a mistake....
We had practice Saturday - it was cold. We are supposed to have a friendly tournament on Saturday playing 14U (we are 12u) - if we get the foot of snow don't think thats happeingFirst practice of the spring rec season is tonight! Which is good, because it is going to snow the rest of the week
Man the last 2 weeks has been brutal. The snow - the cold. We had like nice days of practice but wasn't on our scheduled days.
Our first tournament was canceled - we are supposed to play this weekend. I'm afraid they are going to make us play even though our game would not be above 32 degrees. I really hope they show some common sense. that is not fun for anyone.
small look at me. My daughter hit a "grandslam". I put it in qoutes because it was a shot in the L/C gap but the field we played on fence is like 300 feet.
She is 12. Will be 13 in September. No one had a chance to catch it. But if we're playing on regular 200ft fences it's probably a double maybe a triple. (She's got wheels). Some fields we play on don't have fences or deep fences. So it's always tough to play good depth when you play on these fields without fences.How old is she again?
Mine just turned 10... I'm still having simple discussions like what a force out is, at bed time...
Last night I was telling her how a bunch of the girls on the team can/should clobber home runs this year.... She asked if she could...
I told her, you're gonna get a full swing to hit squarely on the ball and you better run fast....
So much fun, to see the girls start to "get it" but, i think Home run Training and mentality is something I want them all to expect... Seemed like mine still thought it was a pipe dream...
I mean we still have 3rd grader newbies in the outfield in this league...... A decent Grounder can easily be a home run.
Got 2 abbreviated Pitching session in the cold done this weekend.
Zerp said:Just re-read my post. I left out the most important comments. This is what you dads with girls 8-11 need to hear.
From ages 6-7 to 16, until I handed them off to better coaches, I spent about 40 hours a week of quality time with my girls. All through those so-called terrible teens. We are closer than most any other dad-daughters I know. They've learned to take great pride in their accomplishments. Become teammates. Suffered losses. Struck out. Committed errors. Told another girl that errors 'Hey. I got you. Let's get the next one'. Driven in the winning run. Gone 'superman' to make catches and throws worthy of ESPN highlights (one has 2 triple plays). Led their respective teams in HRs, SLG, and AVG. Done the work. Practiced 3 hours even when it was raining and SNOWING. Missing birthday parties. Countless times the discipline to finish the homework by 8 Friday night because Saturday up at 5 AM to drive 2 hours, warm-ups at 7, first pitch at 8, a hotel room but coaches said no one can use the swimming pool, lights out at 10, and we expect to be in the championship Sunday game at 6, getting home at 10 exhausted. With hardware and huge smiles.
And I would do damn near anything to do it again.
Yep - I hate todays landscape but am playing the hand thats dealt. It was funny - we had a mom coach come to our clinics last night and was like I notice they don't teach elbow up anymore and thats how i played for 17 years. it was neat talking changes over the years with how things are taught etcHa.. AWESOME....
I'm as excited as all hell the take this journey..... But, I"M NOT DOING THAT!!!!!! I probably can't.... I already got beat up this weekend with pitches in the dirt and may need a Cup ASAP and full gear ASAP...lol
I already feel the bond and it's fun....
Seems to me at this age of 9 / 10 even the best coaches I know are handing their kids off to travel coaches who are doing 2 hour+ practices / Day and games a few times a week leaving no where near 40 hours a week for Dad / Daughter....
Our top coach laughs that now he has to pace and be quiet - He still coaches the Rec league and the Williamsport team.
I guess if she's some All-World player we can think of all this but, Damn!!!!!!
Funny thing is, WAY back in 1992 my Sister got a scholarship to Hofstra softball which, at the time was one of the top programs.... Back then ppl didn't do all this, she did play boys little league for a long time as one of the better players then just crushed Girls HS Softball.... Very little of all this coaching, money, equipment, Travel, intensity... She just played and had fun.
I'm about halfway there... I have a 16 year old sophomore playing on varsity and a 12 year old 6th grader playing middle school ball.. Both play travel and I'm the head coach of the 16 year old's team. She's played since t-ball... This week starts the crazy season.. middle school practice monday, varsity DH tonight, middle school practice tomorrow, varsity and middle school games on Thursday, middle school game on Friday, varsity tournament on Saturday.. I know I'll miss it when it's all over, but damn it's a lot of work!Zerp said:Fastpitch was a big part of my life for almost 2 decades. Coached 18 seasons. 2 daughters. Started in rec at 6. Earned D1 schollies. Random thoughts:
My 'fastpitch FBG' is DFP. For you pitching dads, there is a lot of expertise in a specific pitching forum.
If your daughter isn't hitting 3x a week by 12s, a lot of other kids are. I always found a place on the roster for kids that can hit. If your daughter can't hit, I'm sorry, but she's out.
I've been through the whole rec to travel ball thing twice. And watched or heard countless others do the same. Will try to check back on this thread to over any advice.
For cjw, you will want to do your homework now. MN teams hold tryouts in late July/early Aug. But actually girls are guest playing dome ball and deciding on clubs, and coaches are scouting girls June-July. Tryouts after age 13 are a formality.
That's all for now, but I'd be happy to share my experience with winter clinics, PCs, tourney's, etc. ASA, USSSA, PGF, (For cjw, MMFL), etc.
Good info but you left the #1 thing out of this. Your kid must WANT TO DO THIS AND NOTHING ELSE!!!!!! If you are going to put in this much time. Most kids do not have the drive, self discipline, work ethic, etc to do this. Most will get burned out rather quickly with this type of pace. This is not for everyone.Zerp said:Just re-read my post. I left out the most important comments. This is what you dads with girls 8-11 need to hear.
From ages 6-7 to 16, until I handed them off to better coaches, I spent about 40 hours a week of quality time with my girls. All through those so-called terrible teens. We are closer than most any other dad-daughters I know. They've learned to take great pride in their accomplishments. Become teammates. Suffered losses. Struck out. Committed errors. Told another girl that errors 'Hey. I got you. Let's get the next one'. Driven in the winning run. Gone 'superman' to make catches and throws worthy of ESPN highlights (one has 2 triple plays). Led their respective teams in HRs, SLG, and AVG. Done the work. Practiced 3 hours even when it was raining and SNOWING. Missing birthday parties. Countless times the discipline to finish the homework by 8 Friday night because Saturday up at 5 AM to drive 2 hours, warm-ups at 7, first pitch at 8, a hotel room but coaches said no one can use the swimming pool, lights out at 10, and we expect to be in the championship Sunday game at 6, getting home at 10 exhausted. With hardware and huge smiles.
And I would do damn near anything to do it again.
Dude, you can have my daughter.Zerp said:And I would do damn near anything to do it again.
I wasn't clear. I coached. 40 hours a week with my daughters on the ball fields.leaving no where near 40 hours a week for Dad / Daughter....
I wasn't clear. I coached. 40 hours a week with my daughters on the ball fields.
My daughters played travel basketball until 12s. Rec basketball until 14s. Concert choir, with travel from MN to NYC and LA, college prep courses with internships, and church youth groups (no practice Wednesdays) and service trips; eg habitat for humanity in NO and La Paz.Your kid must WANT TO DO THIS AND NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!
Bottom line you have to let your kid decide what they want on their own.
My daughters played travel basketball until 12s. Rec basketball until 14s. Concert choir, with travel from MN to NYC and LA, college prep courses with internships, and church youth groups (no practice Wednesdays) and service trips; eg habitat for humanity in NO and La Paz.
In my experience, kids have a ton of potential.
Completely agree the kids decide. And all of this is extra curricular, after school work. Heck, Fastpitch was the reward for getting everything else done.
By 12s, our club teams were all prior Ps and Cs. By 14s half the team were former SS's. Natural selection as the best athletes/hitters progress to the next level. At 13s maybe 10 of a 12 roster are primary positions (I'm a 2B, I'm a LF).I'm kinda regretting the whole pitching thing already b/c I can see even with a top coach we go to, it's going to be way intense where she could have aced fielding and hitting instead....
Sliding shorts. And long pants. We coach girls you respect the other team. But even good coaches can't stop teen girls from looking down on a team wearing shorts. Or pink uniforms.BTW - Do All the Girls where Sliding pants?
The Form fitting pants they sent us this year seem pretty tight to where shorts under....