Any got video footage of Justin Blackmon taking a hit? (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

Been pouring over video on him this morning. I see him taking dives before tacklers, falling over when someone gets close. Also, 99% of his highlights involve him in open space with no one in-front of him.

What is going to happen in the NFL when someone tackles him? Will he break? I swear this guy plays like he is made of glass. Am I wrong?

Someone please, show me some hits Blackmon has taken? Show me a catch in traffic, show me something else other than his Matt Jones strides away from defenders and leaping to the ball. Throw me a bone here!

 

[doowain]

So you're saying he plays like Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt. Got it.

Seriously though, you're wrong. He does not play like he is made of glass, come on.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I only watched YouTube vids and came away with the exact same impression. Diving and flying out of bounds - was not impressed with the physicality (although a small sample size). Since Dez went to the same school and they have the same build I think it is easier to compare them. Even though Dez has rocks in his head was is IMO on a different level about Blackmon as a prospect. I think the WR class this year was fairly deep but really thin at the top thus pushing Blackmon into a territory that he doesn't necessarily deserve. People will moan about that assessment so we shall see as his career progresses. He is not a dominant NFL WR1 IMO.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

He's most definitely not made of glass.

 

[werdnoynek]

He's most definitely not made of glass.

catch-able ball and he crumbled in the face of a big hit... what a WIMP!

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

 

[cstu]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!How many hits do most of the top WRs take?JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

He does go out of bounds after a first to avoid getting hit, but breaks a lot of tackles in the open field and doesn't play soft. Smart guy IMO not to take unnecessary hits.

 

[chinawildman]

Dez on the contrary is extremely physical, but as a result gets hurt alot... so FWIW I suppose Blackmon ducking big hits is a good thing FF-wise.

 

[moderated]

Most good WR's don't take big hits consistently, part of being a good WR is avoiding unnecessary contact.

 

[gianmarco]

Please show me specific times in that video where he's "soft" and is avoiding hits? With the exception of a couple spots where 2 or more guys were going to pummel him at once and he made the smart decision to get down 40 and 2:00), I'm not seeing what you're saying at all.

 

[doowain]

I think the simple answer here is....it's unpossible to get tackled in the endzone.

 

[JAA]

He's most definitely not made of glass.

Thanks ... he didnt make the catch.

 

[cstu]

I think the simple answer here is....it's unpossible to get tackled in the endzone.

 

[JAA]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too. I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!How many hits do most of the top WRs take?JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

 

[cstu]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

 

[JAA]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

 

[imagroid]

He's most definitely not made of glass.

NOPE he sure didn't. Only managed 220 recs the last 2 years, but he missed that one. OFF MY BOARD.

 

[doowain]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

 

[cstu]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

I wouldn't blame anyone for taking Martin - he's in a perfect situation to be a RB1 from day one. If you have a team that can win now then it makes sense, but one consideration is his age (turned 23 in January) so if you won't contend for a couple of years he's not the ideal pick. When I evaluate Blackmon I see a guy who has everything he needs to be a top WR. He might not ever be a 1500 yard guy but 80/1200/10 seems like something he should be able to do consistently.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He's most definitely not made of glass.

I can't comment on the point being made in the OP but that video doesn't really work in favor of Blackmon. Hard to catch the ball when your eyes are focused squarely on the defender coming to hit you.

 

[imagroid]

When I evaluate Blackmon I see a guy who has everything he needs to be a top WR. He might not ever be a 1500 yard guy but 80/1200/10 seems like something he should be able to do consistently.

What is the difference between a consistent 80/1200 guy and a guy that can get 1500?...You know, in your EVALUATION.

 

[Wadsworth]

This is one of the weirder threads on this forum recently.

 

[cstu]

When I evaluate Blackmon I see a guy who has everything he needs to be a top WR. He might not ever be a 1500 yard guy but 80/1200/10 seems like something he should be able to do consistently.

What is the difference between a consistent 80/1200 guy and a guy that can get 1500?...You know, in your EVALUATION.

Normally the WR's who do that are physical freaks (Calvin, Moss, Andre Johnson) or in high powered offenses (Rice, Harrison, Holt, Bruce). Blackmon has neither, but that's just my evaluation.

 

[cstu]

He's most definitely not made of glass.

Pause it at :08 and you'll see he's jumping up to grab the ball with one hand as he's getting hit. No one would catch that pass.

 

[JAA]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

I never saw Lynch go ahead of Johnson. Megatron was would have been 1.01 is just about any other draft that didnt include ADP

 

[doowain]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

I never saw Lynch go ahead of Johnson. Megatron was would have been 1.01 is just about any other draft that didnt include ADP

He did.

 

[werdnoynek]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

i don't like the comparison... at all. blackmon is not, in any way, like megatron. he's a smaller, slower (for a "top" wr prospect), and weaker WR... the only thing we can compare is going to a ####ty situation. the only thing blackmon has going for him imo is the impressive stats he had in college and even those aren't all that impressive given he was the apple of weeden's eye and a product of the system. i admit he's good fit for the west coast offense - short passes in space and the ability to work with the ball in his hands like he did in college. he's not a deep threat and i think he'll struggle beating NFL CB's deep or against press coverage as he regularly struggled with at OSU. he's not going to be facing big 12 defenses in the NFL.

i just don't see the hype... unless you're only looking at college stats. give me martin, floyd, wright, hillman, pead, or jeffery over him all day... if i had the 1.2 or 1.3 and he was still available, i'm trading down.

ETA: if you only look at stats, awards, or draft position - then i'm sure blackmon is your guy... but i just don't see an NFL great in him. i don't think he has it in him.

 

[BradtheAg]

Taking a hit of what?

 

[cstu]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

i don't like the comparison... at all. blackmon is not, in any way, like megatron. he's a smaller, slower (for a "top" wr prospect), and weaker WR... the only thing we can compare is going to a ####ty situation. the only thing blackmon has going for him imo is the impressive stats he had in college and even those aren't all that impressive given he was the apple of weeden's eye and a product of the system. i admit he's good fit for the west coast offense - short passes in space and the ability to work with the ball in his hands like he did in college. he's not a deep threat and i think he'll struggle beating NFL CB's deep or against press coverage as he regularly struggled with at OSU. he's not going to be facing big 12 defenses in the NFL.

i just don't see the hype... unless you're only looking at college stats. give me martin, floyd, wright, hillman, pead, or jeffery over him all day... if i had the 1.2 or 1.3 and he was still available, i'm trading down.

ETA: if you only look at stats, awards, or draft position - then i'm sure blackmon is your guy... but i just don't see an NFL great in him. i don't think he has it in him.

Interesting, you would have thought they would have called nothing but press coverage on him.

 

[werdnoynek]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

i don't like the comparison... at all. blackmon is not, in any way, like megatron. he's a smaller, slower (for a "top" wr prospect), and weaker WR... the only thing we can compare is going to a ####ty situation. the only thing blackmon has going for him imo is the impressive stats he had in college and even those aren't all that impressive given he was the apple of weeden's eye and a product of the system. i admit he's good fit for the west coast offense - short passes in space and the ability to work with the ball in his hands like he did in college. he's not a deep threat and i think he'll struggle beating NFL CB's deep or against press coverage as he regularly struggled with at OSU. he's not going to be facing big 12 defenses in the NFL.

i just don't see the hype... unless you're only looking at college stats. give me martin, floyd, wright, hillman, pead, or jeffery over him all day... if i had the 1.2 or 1.3 and he was still available, i'm trading down.

ETA: if you only look at stats, awards, or draft position - then i'm sure blackmon is your guy... but i just don't see an NFL great in him. i don't think he has it in him.

Interesting, you would have thought they would have called nothing but press coverage on him.

in the big 12? haha!

 

[doowain]

People straight hating on Blackmon- I don't get it. What more could this guy have possibly done at the college level? All indications are that he's a good dude too.

I'm not saying he's going to be an all-pro next year (especially not in that offense) but come on, let's be fair- typically highlight reels don't include the player getting blown up!

How many hits do most of the top WRs take?

JAA is prob going to take him in the 1st rd (trying to throw us of his scent!).

I was pouring over video for my 1.02 pick. I wanted to take Blackmon, seriously. I had planned on taking him all along. I then noticed Martin to TB and the potential 3 down back. I have concerns over Martin, as well as the shelf life of a RB over a WR. Anyway, I ended up taking Marin as I simply didnt like what I saw out of his tape.Also, got any combine video of Blackmon?

Here.

NiceI was looking for that earlier. Do we believe this helps or hurts his case above Martin? I didnt come away overly impressed. Not that I can take my pick back, but i do have another 1.02 in a different league.

Is it just me (maybe it is), but this has the feelings of 2007 Rookie Drafts all over again?Trent Richardson = Adrian Peterson

Doug Martin = Marshawn Lynch

Justin Blackmon = Calvin Johnson

Now, I'm not saying the talent levels are the same, so don't blast me. Just that prior to the NFL draft, Calvin was the hands down 1.02 in rookie drafts. Then the NFL draft happened and based on situation, Marshawn Lynch became the 1.02 in a lot of drafts. Calvin was then bumped to 1.03.

I see that happening here. Martin goes to TB and, based on situation (not necessarily talent, although he IS talented), he leapfrogs Blackmon into the consensus 1.02.

History says passing on Blackmon might not be such a great idea. Throw in the turn to a passing league plus the short shelf life of RBs and passing on Blackmon for Martin could be downright disastrous.

i don't like the comparison... at all. blackmon is not, in any way, like megatron. he's a smaller, slower (for a "top" wr prospect), and weaker WR... the only thing we can compare is going to a ####ty situation. the only thing blackmon has going for him imo is the impressive stats he had in college and even those aren't all that impressive given he was the apple of weeden's eye and a product of the system. i admit he's good fit for the west coast offense - short passes in space and the ability to work with the ball in his hands like he did in college. he's not a deep threat and i think he'll struggle beating NFL CB's deep or against press coverage as he regularly struggled with at OSU. he's not going to be facing big 12 defenses in the NFL.

i just don't see the hype... unless you're only looking at college stats. give me martin, floyd, wright, hillman, pead, or jeffery over him all day... if i had the 1.2 or 1.3 and he was still available, i'm trading down.

ETA: if you only look at stats, awards, or draft position - then i'm sure blackmon is your guy... but i just don't see an NFL great in him. i don't think he has it in him.

You clearly aren't getting it. It's not a comparison of the players on a talent level. It's a comparison of the consensus rankings prior to the draft and after the draft. The similarities are striking and the outcome from 2007 has proven to be a reason to pause in ranking Martin over Blackmon based solely on situation.

 

[werdnoynek]

You clearly aren't getting it. It's not a comparison of the players on a talent level. It's a comparison of the consensus rankings prior to the draft and after the draft. The similarities are striking and the outcome from 2007 has proven to be a reason to pause in ranking Martin over Blackmon based solely on situation.

my apologies.i'm clueless when it comes to drafting based solely on situation and completely missed the part where you specifically asked not to be blasted re: talent comparison. you do have a point, but i think my post still ties in with what you're saying because if you're not looking at situation, you're looking at talent. i just don't see top talent in blackmon and a better situation wouldn't persuade me to pick him in the top 5.

 

[doowain]

You clearly aren't getting it. It's not a comparison of the players on a talent level. It's a comparison of the consensus rankings prior to the draft and after the draft. The similarities are striking and the outcome from 2007 has proven to be a reason to pause in ranking Martin over Blackmon based solely on situation.

my apologies.i'm clueless when it comes to drafting based solely on situation and completely missed the part where you specifically asked not to be blasted re: talent comparison. you do have a point, but i think my post still ties in with what you're saying because if you're not looking at situation, you're looking at talent. i just don't see top talent in blackmon and a better situation wouldn't persuade me to pick him in the top 5.

Huh? I'm saying not to draft based on situation. That also holds the caveat that I think Blackmon is more talented than you do.Blackmon's talent vs. Calvin's talent is what I'm saying NOT to compare. Compare Blacmon all day to Martin. That is exactly my point. I'd not draft Martin over Blackmon based solely on situation (i.e. - Lynch vs Calvin in 2007). But, I see Blackmon as more talented (or at least equally talented) to Martin and he plays a position with a much longer shelf life.ETA: The shift in their rankings predraft to postdraft is indicative of perception that Martin's situation + talent is better than Blackmon's talent + situation. I'm saying that viewing the two players that way is a mistake.

 

[cstu]

You clearly aren't getting it. It's not a comparison of the players on a talent level. It's a comparison of the consensus rankings prior to the draft and after the draft. The similarities are striking and the outcome from 2007 has proven to be a reason to pause in ranking Martin over Blackmon based solely on situation.

my apologies.i'm clueless when it comes to drafting based solely on situation and completely missed the part where you specifically asked not to be blasted re: talent comparison. you do have a point, but i think my post still ties in with what you're saying because if you're not looking at situation, you're looking at talent. i just don't see top talent in blackmon and a better situation wouldn't persuade me to pick him in the top 5.

Talent-wise I don't see Blackmon as much different than AJ Green. Green is 2 inches taller, 4 lbs. heavier and runs .05 faster. If Green was an elite talent coming out I don't see how you would think Blackmon isn't with all of his intangibles.

 

[Sweet Love]

Most good WR's don't take big hits consistently, part of being a good WR is avoiding unnecessary contact.

Same with the better dynasty RBs. I am a huge Curtis Martin fan, and while he had maybe one or two seasons as dominant like an ADP, I loved the fact he never let someone hit him straight-up (same with Dunn). From a greedy FF perspective, I would much rather my WR find his way out of bounds short of the 1st down, than have him cut back up the field and take a knock from a SS. Again, maybe not best for real football, but it is no coincidence that guys like Dunn, Martin and Emmitt Smith had longer careers because they were rarely blown-up. Same holds true for WRs...

 

[werdnoynek]

You clearly aren't getting it. It's not a comparison of the players on a talent level. It's a comparison of the consensus rankings prior to the draft and after the draft. The similarities are striking and the outcome from 2007 has proven to be a reason to pause in ranking Martin over Blackmon based solely on situation.

my apologies.i'm clueless when it comes to drafting based solely on situation and completely missed the part where you specifically asked not to be blasted re: talent comparison. you do have a point, but i think my post still ties in with what you're saying because if you're not looking at situation, you're looking at talent. i just don't see top talent in blackmon and a better situation wouldn't persuade me to pick him in the top 5.

Talent-wise I don't see Blackmon as much different than AJ Green. Green is 2 inches taller, 4 lbs. heavier and runs .05 faster. If Green was an elite talent coming out I don't see how you would think Blackmon isn't with all of his intangibles.

we'll have to agree to disagree, because i don't see how you can compare the two when seeing them both play.

 

[cstu]

Michael Irvin -

 

[Raider Nation]

Been pouring over video on him this morning.

Water ruins video tape, GB.