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Any hope for Dwayne Bowe? (1 Viewer)
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GeauxTigers
Footballguy
I have him in 2 of my leagues. Dude was a STUD at LSU. He just needed to get his head screwed on straight.
GeauxTigers
Footballguy
You are crazy, man. LSU always has some of the best talent in the country. Do you really want to get into a discussion about LSU's players in the NFL? Sure, there are a couple of busts, but every college has that. What about Ohio State and Penn State? They have many busts. Overall, LSU has sent some studs to the NFL, starting with Bowe.
GeauxTigers
Footballguy
You wouldn't be satisfied unless Bowe caught 3 TDs against Deon Sanders...
GeauxTigers
Footballguy
How is Fitz doing this year? That's what I thought. Nowhere close to Bowe. Come on man. You have Bowe in 2 leagues. Why don't you trade him for Fitz? The Cards QB situation is a mess. I'll take Bowe any day over Fitz.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Given their situations, I would not trade Bowe for Fitz straight up in a dynasty. Fitz' current situation is obviously terrible and the future is a big unknown. Same with Crabtree.
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
I can never know what to make of him. Last year and the start of this year he drops everything coming his way. How all of a sudden he's got glue on his hands. Possible this happened? :
njherdfan
Footballguy
For all the people saying that you need to sell high on Bowe in dynasty, keep this in mind: in his rookie year, he caught 70 passes for 995 yards and 5 TDs. Those are very impressive numbers. Then, in his 2nd year he got better and got 86 passes for 1022 yards and 7 touchdowns. Those are very impressive numbers for any receiver in his first two seasons, and I think they should go a long way towards showing how much talent Bowe really has.
Last season was obviously a lost year because he showed up out of shape and got in Haley's doghouse, but has anyone seen a reason why last season shouldn't be treated as an anomaly? It's clear he's turned his career around and he finally gets it, and he's putting up spectacular numbers, with a QB who locks on to him and a coach who trusts him. I don't see very much not to like in his future.
Last season was obviously a lost year because he showed up out of shape and got in Haley's doghouse, but has anyone seen a reason why last season shouldn't be treated as an anomaly? It's clear he's turned his career around and he finally gets it, and he's putting up spectacular numbers, with a QB who locks on to him and a coach who trusts him. I don't see very much not to like in his future.
T with T
Footballguy
Is Bowe a WR 3 ... you mean top 3 in the NFL.... sorry to beat a dead horse but when old posts like this pop up and its so adamant how wrong the guy was u just like to rub it in a little
T with T
Footballguy
T with T
Footballguy
ya and he is bragging about crabtree also... I will take Bowe any day over Crabtree
Geaux Cowboys
Footballguy
I don't believe you quite caught on to my sarcasm drenched post. Check my user name, man.
billyjohnson
Footballguy
SEC!! SEC!! SEC!! (continue this chant indefinitely)
You obviously didn't read the thread or didn't take time to understand it, here i'll highlight the important part for you:" If you could get a real WR1 for him in dynasty leagues, then you make that trade without question. If you could get a Crabtree, who is not a WR1 but is an elite talent, then you think about it. If you can get a Fitzgerald in a dynasty, then you take it and don't look back."
The reason i say you didn't read or understand it is because you wrote this part: "How is Fitz doing this year?"
I'm talking about long term value, value for the next 5 years or longer and you bring up what has happened IN THE PAST, this season. Forget the fact that past returns are not indicative of future results, but that's not even what i'm talking about. I'm talking about DYNASTY/KEEPER leagues.
And the reason I don't or haven't traded Bowe for Fitz is because i own both.
Oh god, what do i have to do to speak with intelligent people on the Internet? What? Anything? Just tell me and i will oblige...
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I'm not trading Bowe for Fitz in dynasty. Fitz' situation is far from ideal while Bowe is the top WR in FFL with the same opportunity for the foreseeable future. Besides, Fitz owners are probably not selling as his stock has to be pretty low with the QB being such an unknown.
thatguythere
Footballguy
I was just checking an ESPN league and Bowe is in only 80% of starting lineups. I wonder who the other 20% have going.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Probably a lot of free leagues where people don't check their teams anymore. Can't imagine having 2 wrs that you could start over him.
surprised this didn't get bumped after his 0pt game today
The Jacket
Footballguy
Couldn't be less concerned. I'm just glad Bowe drew Bailey (and a defense focused entirely on stopping him) in W13, not the playoffs. Long as I can get out of the first round, where Bowe may be so-so in San Diego, I'll look forward to his big games against the Rams and Titans in the money games.
texansfan80
Footballguy
Stopping Bowe? What about Charles? Jones? McCluster? I'm sure those 3 were in Denver's defensive gameplanYou're a cocky Bowe owner. I hope you get goose egged again in playoffs, decent chance anytime Cassel's at the helm.The Jacket said:
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
How you feeling now guys?To answer your question (and you would already know the answer if you actually took the time to read my earlier posts), I DID have Bowe on my team TWO years ago and DID trade him off and currently have a WR group of AJ, Wayne,and VJAX. So...I'm not 8 weeks behind. I'm two years ahead because outside of this two month run, Bowe has been an overall disappointment relevant to people's expectations for him.
You can continue to say I'm dumb and my advice is bad but all I have said since the beginning is to point out that this nice little run is, Like Harrison last year, a very unique combination of very unusual scheduling/situations where he continuously faced bottom 5 pass defenses for two months (or ran against teams that had their players out, didn't play them against Bowe, etc) and that was perfectly illustrated this past weekend. Yesterday, you saw a team with a good corner completely neutralize the guy that some were calling elite. And the Chiefs have gotten a few guys back and the weather is turning colder and that's not helping him one bit.
Say what you want, but unless you're going up against Revis, the WRS you have as your #1 doesn't goose egg you.
The bottom line is, just like I warned, you have things to consider once Bowe stops playing against super weak pass defenses. Those who took it into consideration maybe helped themselves yesterday. Those who didn't got hurt and it cost some people playoff spots or first round byes.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think the ratio of tools to good posters in the Shark Pool has somehow managed to get worse.
Shutout
Footballguy
Yup, Its kinda funny how a guy can post a simple comment about how a player with 3 years of average history all of a sudden has a collosal 2 month stretch against 5 "bottom 3" pass defenses and two teams that did not use their best players on him, how that player was very average against top 15 Pass defenses earlier in the year, and now has demonstrated that same tendency again yesterday when matched up against a good CB for the first time in two months. How that performance looks a lot like a situation last year where the player obviously wasn't as dominant as their short-run stats appeared.Yup, a simple comment with some actual insight that got blasted by self-proffessed Bowe Owners (no bias there, right?) who tried to make it something entirely different than what it was. Tried to continue to do so after the poster mentioned two more times that it was not what they were and asked the people to actually read what was said before making blanket statements.The good posters in any forums are people that report the facts, check their biases at the door, and offer genuine information to consider instead of categorically shooting down everything anyone else says that isn't what they want to hear. The tools are the people serving their own agendas or working their own angle, not the people that don't have any dog in the fight or any vested interest in the player except to point out what is/has happened. In general, there is some really good advice and insight (or at least a good nugget of information to chew on and exlore for yourself) in these forums. The problem is, a lot of people won't take the time/energy to actually explore it. It's real easy to see a guy doing well for a couple of months and jump on a bandwagon and say he's great. It is a lot more diffcult to actually look into "why is this happening for the first time in three years? What's different? What's changed? Is this progression or situation? Opportunity or anomaly?" That's how you make yourself a better FF owner. Remember, contrary to what a few people assumed in their responses, No one said Bowe wasn't playing very well or couldn't help their team win this year. What was said was "look at the facts...over the past three years...and you may want to see why this is situational, not the beginning of something that will be consistent. If you are willing to consider that, you may agree with it. You may disagree with it. You may even come back here and share that information with the rest of us and we may even learn something that we didn't knwo before. But either way, at least you will have considered it. Otherwise, if you just want to argue and say "Nuh uh", then you haven't learned anything about the situation nor helped anyone else learn anything about it.
njherdfan
Footballguy
I'm not sure how much this changes my opinion on Bowe long-term. For this season, all this tells me is that the weather might be a bigger factor in the Chiefs passing game than I thought (and it clearly affected Denver as well). Fortunately, Bowe is in SD and STL the next 2 weeks so that won't be an issue.
As for dynasty, there might be a slight tinge of worry. I don't like to see receivers get shut down by any CB not named Revis, and the fact he didn't record a single catch is a little troubling. At the same time though, I watched an all-world talent like Larry Fitzgerald only get 60 yards on 11 targets. I guess I'm trying to say that there are concerns about almost every receiver in dynasty, and I don't really know of too many receivers who I would consider a lock for dynasty success except for possibly Calvin, who has injury concerns.
That might have been a bit long-winded, so let me try to summarize: I think what Shutout was saying is valid, and that Bowe isn't a guaranteed WR1 in the future. At the same time, I can't find too many receivers around the league who don't have concerns in the future.
As for dynasty, there might be a slight tinge of worry. I don't like to see receivers get shut down by any CB not named Revis, and the fact he didn't record a single catch is a little troubling. At the same time though, I watched an all-world talent like Larry Fitzgerald only get 60 yards on 11 targets. I guess I'm trying to say that there are concerns about almost every receiver in dynasty, and I don't really know of too many receivers who I would consider a lock for dynasty success except for possibly Calvin, who has injury concerns.
That might have been a bit long-winded, so let me try to summarize: I think what Shutout was saying is valid, and that Bowe isn't a guaranteed WR1 in the future. At the same time, I can't find too many receivers around the league who don't have concerns in the future.
montanagold
Footballguy
Please delete this thread..
Every time I see it in the Shark Pool I laugh at the absurdity of the title... Any hope for Dwayne Bowe... hahaha
Every time I see it in the Shark Pool I laugh at the absurdity of the title... Any hope for Dwayne Bowe... hahaha
thatguythere
Footballguy
My how things change. Is there hope for Bowe with Croyle are people considering sitting Bowe if you have other decent options?
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
Hang tight, Bowe fans. Next week he's playing against the Rams. Expect a rebound if Cassel is under center...
...and if not, make sure you find a place your bench for him
...and if not, make sure you find a place your bench for him
Shutout
Footballguy
Ok, how bout now?Not that its 2 games in a row but because this is EXACTLY the point that I was trying to bring to light in the very beginning. We all know that every player has bad games but that's not the point in the posting. The point was 'temper your fandom of Bowe because he was an absolute BEAST for about two months but you REALLY needed to look at who he was up against and other situations in those games. So, for those who paid attention to what was being said, they may have saved their seasons the past two weeks. That's all that was said. Hopefully some listened.I know its popular to lash out when people have thoughts, but this REALLY IS what these foums are supposed to be about: People putting information together that helps shed light on what is going on and why.
kutta
Footballguy
...and Brodie Croyle under center
az_prof
Footballguy
That hurt, but he dropped several passes, one of which would have been a very big play and possible Td.
Shamwow
Footballguy
I didn't see the game because out here in Oregon the networks think we want to watch the seachickens. I'm getting nervous going to first playoff game next week. Bowe got me here but suddenly he's lost his shine and there is no one available fill those shoes. SD had Croyle's number and took Charles and Bowe out of the game.
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