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I am also wondering this.......
According to Rotoworld he sat for "precautionary reasons". The irony (as far as CBS comments) was that Wells started last night, had 7 carries for 35 yards - Williams sat for "precautionary reasons" - and CBS said Williams seems healthier than Wells.
One played, looked good and was productive. The other was sat for "precautionary reasons" and is healthier?My thoughts: the Cards are being careful with both. They both are coming off injury. If I had Williams on my fantasy team, I certainly wouldn't start him in the opener if I had more reliable options. He may see as few as 6-10 carries and maybe a handful of receptions. In the case of both, waiting until the division of labor is more clear might be the best thing.
Well yes, but drafting Fred Taylor is pretty easy right now too. Just saying you might want to follow this story and see if there's some info in it.
Find it odd that Darren Urban reported that both Wells and Williams would play in the finale a couple weeks back..I don't think its anything to worry about yet, but James being lost for the season, hmm, how does this affect Williams value overall?
Can you unpack that a bit, as in why you single out Williams?
James, himself, wasn't factoring against Wiliams. The Card were getting better production from william Powell. He was likely gone either way.For affect, I think this is really shaping up to be (assuming both guys stay healthy and doors don't open/close because of injuries) that you have Beanie taking about 15-18 carries a game and will be used in the GL. Williams looks like a 8-12 carry guy. That puts them at an even LOWER amount of carries you would think the team would have even compared to last year but if they don't improve on the o-line and QB position, its hard to be optimistic to think they can get even more. But, overall, I think this is a text-book RBBC with guys filling roles that they are better suited for. So, I can see Wells getting the short yardage TDs and Williams seems talented enough to get some of the longer runs..so they will split. I think its shaping up as a scenario where you either want them both on your FF team or you want neither.
The way I look at the backfield situation in AZ, Beanie:
The bolded doesn't make any sense. Giving both guys the low number in your range has them combining for 368 carries. All AZ RBs and FBs together had 338 last year. If Wells and Williams combine for more than about 300 carries it'll be a shock.
I think you guys are making the same point - he just was a little off in his math.The point being, if that usage pattern is correct, Williams is basically useless in other than the deepest of formats and Wells, at best, is a weak RB2 - except in PPR leagues, where there will be 3rd down backs who will likely bump him down to a mediocre RB3.
Where is it written that 2012 has to mirror 2011?
Dude, I don't know why you are making a point to seek out all my posts and rattle on but you're getting kind of annoying.Follow a team, understand what they do and why they do it and understand life isn't in a vaccuum and that sometimes other factors DO affect things outside your FF players.
Wait...If 2012 is mirroring 2011, does that mean Cam Newton will be left handed and Tebow right handed? If so, maybe Tebow will throw better?
The Cardinals have been in the bottom five in rushing attempts since Whiz arrived, five years in a row. They've been dead last 3 of the past 4 years. Seems like a pretty strong trend to me. What indicators are you seeing that they're capable of turning that around? The o-line sucks, the QBs suck, they can't sustain drives, they just added another first round receiver, etc.
No, I just call BS when people talk out of their ### with no facts to back it up.
This. Aren't starters/guys with nothing left to prove typically kept out of the last preseason game for "precautionary reasons"? Ryan Williams is going to get a lot of run this year IMO.
Maybe but its still not a good situation no matter what the value is. This has dumpster fire all over it. Nothing was upgraded at all in the off season.
Just playing devil's advocate:Then why play Wells?Clearly, the 24 year old, 1k rusher from last season has a shot to be the RB1 as well. Or have we already anointed a virtual rookie who is coming off a bad injury the starter over Wells simply because he had some nice preseason games?Don't get me wrong - I like Williams. But I don't think Whiz is gonna tell his workhorse who played through injury last year (who is still only 24 and looked good last night) - "Thanks, but have a seat now."I think people reading into the situation that Williams being held out means he is the starter are being a little unrealistic and are shortchanging what Wells did last year - and what Whiz thinks about what Wells did last year.
This is just my theory, but I think Williams got slightly injured in the last game he played, possibly a slight set back or scare on the knee. I watched him closely and on his last run he planted and tried a quick juke (it was nice), but the play was stuffed, he got tackled very awkwardly on his knee lower leg/calf and bent over, then down. He immediately took himself out. If anyone has the tape, run it back and you'll see what I'm talking about, it was odd. After that tackle he never came in again. There was plenty of time to give Williams a further look. And that was after only his 3rd carry, when he was just getting going. In a dress rehearsal type game, you would think they want to see him with more than 3 carries and under 10 carries all preseason. Then later the camera panned Coach Wiz and you could see Williams behind him. He had a gray sleeve or wrap on his calf/knee area. He looked fine, but I don't think the sleeve was there before. They either pulled their most valuable asset out of a meaningless game as a precaution or I think he suffered a little setback/scare.When he didn't play last night, it added to my suspicion. Just info from my observation, take it for what it's worth, but if anyone has his clips play them back. Guess we'll have to wait and see how it shakes out in W1 though.
Wells needs to prove he can take some hits and play, he's been pulling the battered and bruised card all the way back to college. That card doesn't help a team get wins, Whiz needs to see Beanie take some hits then come right back and continue playing at a high level, something he doesn't usually do.
Was the wrap on his right leg? I believe that's the leg he tore his patella tendon on last year.
Dun Dun Duuuun...
I just watched the run, and I don't necessarily see anything awkward about the tackle. Although the angle wasn't the best since the camera was mostly being blocked by a lineman. But he seemed to get up without any problem.
Beanie hasn't actually seen many reps this pre-season. I think if Beanie had been more active in the earlier games him and Williams would both be sitting that one out. Either way I think it comes down to them feeling like Beanie still needed some work while Williams did not. Assuming Williams is the starter because he DIDN'T play is a silly argument.
I hear you. It didn't look that bad, but I was wondering why he took himself out (I think), and then he never came back in. He only got half of a series or 2 real carries. He was just getting going and it looked like he was finally getting a long look to get in the groove. Thanks for running it back though, I could just be a cautious owner of RW in a couple leagues. I just don't see them turning him loose W1, without an extended look to test what type of load he can take, but I guess that's when they'll get their look, when the games count right off the bat.
Yeah, I know it was just a theory you had and the angle is pretty bad so it's definitely possible. It could be any number of things, from him tweaking it a bit, to the coaches just wanting him to get hit a few real times and then pull him. Or they wanted to get James and Powell some time with the 1's, which makes senses if they were deciding between James and Powell for a roster spot (they just cut James).
Not sure. I guess its a theory as good as another but we saw everyone from Rodgers to Hillis and Charles to Dalton and Julio playing in the 4th game. Overall, A LOT of the starters played a couple of series this week.
Exactly and the bolded part is what a lot of people who don't follow the Cardinals miss. The head coach has a genuine appreciation and belief in Wells. Its not just coachspeak.
this is pretty much /thread here guys.
1) IIRC, the actual statement in that thread that blew up was when you said Finley was an average size TE, lacked athleticism, and was a moderate talent, nothing more and nothing less. then you spent two days trying to flip it around to be something subjective. I proved that you were wrong on your statement. i'm not going to play a part in hijacking a 2ND thread and interupting people's reading but you seriously need to stop. Its fine if you have an OPINION, but it doesn't mean that everyone else's is wrong and if you want to make a point to be som confrontational in debunking someone else's opinion, then you should really learn to accept it when someone proves YOUR statements are garbage.
Wells isn't getting 300 carries this year.
And Finley isn't the "one TE in the NFL most capable of physically dominating a game."
yep. good stuff. thanks for this. Somers is very reliable. And what do you know Coeur de lion, My calculations for carries I listed equals 65% for beanie, 35% for Williams. So if you still want to argue it, take it up with Kent Somers and tell him he's wrong too.
You've officially reached warp speed ####### here guy. Your percentages aren't the issue. The issue is the total number of AZ carries, and the 100% factually wrong statement that your numbers represent a lower total than last year.But if you want to keep going, feel free.
My God Man, woman (whichever you are), can you actually read AND comprehend?What I said " That puts them at an even LOWER amount of carries you would think the team would have even compared to last year but if they don't improve on the o-line and QB position, its hard to be optimistic to think they can get even more.
You two need to get a room and have some make-up sex
