Fantasy Bum
Footballguy
ESPN Radio says Eli is denying their initial report of 1 month. Eli says MRI revealed just a bruise and it is a week-to- week injury.
Mort however stands by his report.
Mort however stands by his report.
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Any word on E Manning?
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redman
Footballguy
This is borderline sigworthy. I need to think on this one. Good work!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yup.I was just commenting that we need not take any source - includiong one as highly respected as Mortenson - as gospel when theyare merely communicating rumors.As an aside, before my comment gets mixed with the one above it, Mortenson is not an idiot - his reporting on injuries before games on Sunday is awesome. When he reports something as NEWS, he is almost always dead on.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hard not to believe Mort since he was so dead on with all his Michael Vick reporting.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lorenzen
In the 2006 preseason, Lorenzen led his team to victory by engineering a game-winning drive against the Baltimore Ravens. Following that performance and an impressive training camp he was officially named the Giants backup quarterback three weeks later.
Because of his size he has a collection of colorful nicknames, including "Quarter(got)back",[1] "Hefty Lefty",[2] "The Pillsbury Throwboy",[3] "J.Load",[4] "Round Mound of Touchdown",[4],"BBQ (Big Beautiful Quarterback)".[5] and "J-Lo."
In the 2006 preseason, Lorenzen led his team to victory by engineering a game-winning drive against the Baltimore Ravens. Following that performance and an impressive training camp he was officially named the Giants backup quarterback three weeks later.
Because of his size he has a collection of colorful nicknames, including "Quarter(got)back",[1] "Hefty Lefty",[2] "The Pillsbury Throwboy",[3] "J.Load",[4] "Round Mound of Touchdown",[4],"BBQ (Big Beautiful Quarterback)".[5] and "J-Lo."
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
I am going to go watch Eli on ESPN....someone said he will be on at the top of the Hour...we will know the truth pretty soon.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
3C's
Footballguy
Supposedly media was allowed in the locker room at 5:15 and a press conference is at 6.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
Farley was more mobile.More like a Chris Farley that is alive and can throw.So...he's like a fat STEVE Young?
Fantasy Bum
Footballguy
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1huskerfan
Footballguy
Hard not to believe Mort since he was so dead on with all his Michael Vick reporting.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
FWIW, Mort was just on again saying that he knows there are conflicting reports but that he is sticking with his sources.Mort missed the boat big time on Vick, but everyone drops the ball once in a while. We're in season now and Mort is usually pretty accurate. We'll see how he fares on this one.
Whew (says a Burress owner).Although, shoulder injuries are very easy to reaggravate.This thing has me a little worried long term. If I can sell high on Burress this week, I'm doing it.Hard not to believe Mort since he was so dead on with all his Michael Vick reporting.
The Battleship Lorenzen is a favorite of mine.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Mortensen needs to admit he was wrong if what Eli, Coughlin, NY Daily News, NY Newsday, etc are all saying is true.
If not, his credibility goes further in the toilet.
If not, his credibility goes further in the toilet.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
The coach just said he was wrong - it is not spearated - Eli is sore and is day to day. Wide-Lo is the backup but Coughoin said he was not ruling Eli out this week. He specifically refuted the ESPN repot and said he had no idea where that came from. Is Mort saying that he knows more than the coach?
wraith5
Footballguy
Unless I've missed something, it's not like Mort saw the actual MRI results and made a diagnosis - some inside source told him one month, and that's what he's sticking to.
Revo
Footballguy
While I hope this is true.....the Giants team site also says Umenyiora is "day to day" when even his agent said he's be out a month.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
He said that he trusts his source and is sticking with the source's story at this time. I'm not saying Mort's right, just reporting what was on the news. Again, we'll see.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
You have missed nothing - why Mortenson did not initially report this as a "rumor" from a source close to the Giants is beyond me.
creeps1313
Footballguy
Didnt Manning come back in after he got hurt to throw his 4th TD?
Mort is usually right, so we shall see.
Regardless, it seems like most people who have Eli...including myself....have him as a backup so it should only affect the NY Giants...right? Ya it sucks since he looked good, but Im thinking it wont hurt Manning owners unless he was your #1.
I didnt even start him this week....I went with Big Ben...and it didnt hurt me at all.
Mort is usually right, so we shall see.
Regardless, it seems like most people who have Eli...including myself....have him as a backup so it should only affect the NY Giants...right? Ya it sucks since he looked good, but Im thinking it wont hurt Manning owners unless he was your #1.
I didnt even start him this week....I went with Big Ben...and it didnt hurt me at all.
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ThinGrayLine
Footballguy
Kentucky Resident and UK fan here (although it's a stretch to say we have a football program):My favorites for J-Lo were always Pillsbury Throwboy and Quarter(got)back.He actually had a good career at UK, and while we've never been a football powerhouse since Bear Bryant left, we do play in the SEC, so the Cats face some good defenses year in and year out. Lorenzen's size not only makes him hard to bring down, but he has a good arm. He should have jocked up and lowered his shoulder for the first down last night though, instead of trying to slide. If he starts a week or two in place of Manning, I'd like to see him do well and raise his stock a little.Norm
mad sweeney
Footballguy
He did. The very first time he reported it he said that the Giants were denying it but that his source was trustworthy.
bulldog_guy
Footballguy
Yes he did. It was Burress' last TD. Didn't look like a flounder either.
Meh, coaches, owners, staff, media people...they all spin things to their agenda. Because Eli came back into the game, I'm guessing it's minor though Scobee kicked a field goal yesterday and is out 6-8 weeks. Mort may have taken info from a shaky source to have a story. The Giants may be spinning things so that the fan base doesn't panic (given the other injuries, too). Hard to say for sure until we get further info.
I hadn't even thought of that. Considering he coaches in the same stadium as tigh-lipped Mangini and not far from Belicheck, their "honesty" may be wearing off on coughlin.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning have both explicitly denied there's any tear. I'm just not understanding why Mort and ESPN don't back off this story and acknowledge that they appear wrong. Manning was asked about 20 different ways by Michael Kay at around 6 pm EST tonight about his shoulder, and he couldn't have been more explicit.
*** He went back in the game instantly b/c of the Romo INT
*** Manning said his shoulder hurt but the Romo INT was so fast, it "couldn't have come at a worse time"
*** The decision not to go back in on the next drive was Eli's because he "didn't want to risk further injury"
*** He admitted that once he came out after the drive, his arm started tightening up and hurt worse
*** As of today, he was "sore" but had "no acute pain", "wasn't in a sling", "wasn't immobilized", and could lift things without discomfort
*** He (and Coughlin) weren't ruling out playing this Sunday, but they will no more on Wednesday when he sees how 48 hours of treatment and rest feel
During Coughlin's press conference, he also reiterated that he's not a doctor and was merely relaying what Eli and the team doctors told him. He wouldn't rule out Eli missing time because it all comes down to how painful the injury is for Eli in a few days time.
*** He went back in the game instantly b/c of the Romo INT
*** Manning said his shoulder hurt but the Romo INT was so fast, it "couldn't have come at a worse time"
*** The decision not to go back in on the next drive was Eli's because he "didn't want to risk further injury"
*** He admitted that once he came out after the drive, his arm started tightening up and hurt worse
*** As of today, he was "sore" but had "no acute pain", "wasn't in a sling", "wasn't immobilized", and could lift things without discomfort
*** He (and Coughlin) weren't ruling out playing this Sunday, but they will no more on Wednesday when he sees how 48 hours of treatment and rest feel
During Coughlin's press conference, he also reiterated that he's not a doctor and was merely relaying what Eli and the team doctors told him. He wouldn't rule out Eli missing time because it all comes down to how painful the injury is for Eli in a few days time.
TD5150
Footballguy
I say add this one to the list......100%
D-BO
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Don't disagree, but this will be the song they'll be singing for the next few weeks.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Mort isn't stupid. He knows that he's going out on a limb to contradict direct statements from the team. He must be very confident in this source to not back down when the Giants are trying to quash this rumor. It's interesting, for sure.
Maybe they're trying too hard? Wouldn't they want an opponent to gameplan for J-Load, only to have Manning step in this weekend?
Maybe they're trying too hard? Wouldn't they want an opponent to gameplan for J-Load, only to have Manning step in this weekend?
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
Apologize if this has been posted before. This is on NFL.com now...and is a report from Adam Schefter
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Opposing defenses aren't going to game plan for Jared Lorenzen. They will game plan for the Giants with the assumption that Eli Manning is under center. If Lorenzen ends up starting, it's that much easier for the other team's defense to handle things.
ceo3west
Footballguy
So the NFL & ESPN report separated shoulder & missed time, while the Giants website & Coughlin report day to day. This is insane.All I know is that if Coughlin is misrepresenting the injury today, the Giants should be fined. Aren't there rules in place that prohibit doing this?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Anyone think Mort is right and they are simply being hush-hush today b/c they don't have to reveal anything until injury reports come out?
Stunt Rock
Footballguy
Well they did deny accusations that Lorenzen was fat, referring to him instead as "pleasantly plump" and "big boned", so you never know.So, if the Giants are saying Eli is ok and day to day, and he really does have a separated shoulder and will be out a month, does that mean Jacobs, who is out three to five weeks, will really be out longer?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Guys this could be a partially seperated shoulder. I landed on my shoulder hard this winter and had a grade 1 seperation. I know I am not NFL QB but it hurt to the point I would not have been able to come back and throw a ball after it had occured. Now it really only hurt for about a week to a week and a half and that was with no treatment. There are 3 types of common seperations in the shoulder. Grade 1 to 3 with grade 1 being the least concerining. My guess is if Manning was able to come back in and throw the ball he has a bruised shoulder and at worst a grade 1 seperation.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Something definitely amiss with the Giants' injuries. Same deal with Osi Umenyiora - some reports have him day to day (Giants website) while others (something I read quoting his agent) has him out for 4-8 weeks.ceo3west said:
Not good IMO:
(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) will visit Dr. James Andrews this week for a second opinion on his shoulder. The Giants are confident in their diagnosis of a sprained A-C joint, according to sources. Manning intends to try to practice Wednesday, Sept. 12, but it is more likely he will not fully participate until later in the week.
(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) will visit Dr. James Andrews this week for a second opinion on his shoulder. The Giants are confident in their diagnosis of a sprained A-C joint, according to sources. Manning intends to try to practice Wednesday, Sept. 12, but it is more likely he will not fully participate until later in the week.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Manning has bruised shoulder, Umenyiora sore knee
Manning has bruised shoulder, Umenyiora sore knee
By TOM CANAVAN, AP Sports Writer
September 10, 2007
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- Eli Manning has a bruised right shoulder and it is uncertain whether the New York Giants quarterback will play against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.
Manning had an MRI on Monday that revealed a contusion to the acromioclavicular joint, near the collarbone.
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"They have put it in my hands," Manning said of his playing status. "It's how you heal, and when you start to feel good and when you can make the throws. It's not a certain amount of time. It's how long you take to heal. I hope I'm a fast healer."
Manning called his injury a bruised shoulder. Giants coach Tom Coughlin said it was sprained. The Giants public relations staff labeled it a bruised AC joint.
Manning's shoulder will be iced and get electrical stimulation over the next two days. The Giants start practicing for the Packers on Wednesday.
"Everything is probably as good as it can be from the test results," Manning said of the injury to the top of his shoulder. "It's just a matter of when do you have the strength and when do you feel you can throw it full strength, and you'll be out there playing."
The Giants got other good news on Monday. Former Pro Bowl defensive end Osi Umenyiora irritated the cartilage in his left knee in the first quarter, and his status is day to day. Halfback Brandon Jacobs, who sprained his right knee, will be week to week.
Manning, who has started 42 straight regular-season and playoff games for the Giants dating to 2004, said he wasn't in a lot of pain on Monday evening. He even joked with reporters. He said he brushed his teeth with his right hand, started his car with his right hand and then stuck out his right hand and shook hands with one reporter.
Walking off the field on Sunday night after the 45-35 loss to the Cowboys in Dallas, Manning only stuck out his left hand to greet opponents.
For effect on Monday, Manning even grabbed a pair of shorts hanging in his locker and lifted them three times in a weightlifting move.
"I am not in pain or hurting in any way," said Manning, who completed 28 of 41 passes for 312 yards, four touchdowns and one interception in the loss. "When I can throw the ball, I will be out there throwing."
Manning and Coughlin denied an ESPN report that the quarterback had a separated shoulder and would be out four weeks.
"I don't know where that report came from and I don't know where the information supposedly came from," Coughlin said, adding that if Manning can't play this week "it will be another week."
Jared Lorenzen, who finished up in the Giants' final series, will start if Manning can't go Sunday.
Manning was hurt on a failed two-point conversion attempt in the fourth quarter when he was hit by linebacker Anthony Spencer.
"I knew it didn't feel good," said Manning, who has never missed a game at any level because of an injury. "Sometimes you'll get hit and you'll lose some strength and it will come back. I was just hoping that that's what it was, but I knew it was a little bit more than that."
Following Gibril Wilson's interception, Manning went right back out and threw his third touchdown pass to Plaxico Burress.
After Dallas scored on a third-down, 51-yard touchdown pass on a play in which officials missed an illegal procedure by Cowboys receiver Patrick Crayton, Coughlin and Manning decided it would be best for him to take the rest of the night off.
"I knew there was something wrong," Manning said. "I knew it had gotten a little tighter and I felt more pain, I guess, after sitting a little more time on the sideline. I didn't want to make anything worse. If we had stopped them on the third down and gotten the ball back, my competitive nature, I would have gone back in there and tried to win that game."
Notes
Derrick Ward will start for Jacobs with Reuben Droughns getting more time as his backup. ... The Giants are considering moving LB Mathias Kiwanuka back to defensive end if Umenyiora takes a while to heal. ... The Giants signed DT Russell Davis, a nine-year veteran who has played for Chicago, Arizona and Seattle. They have until 4 p.m. Tuesday to make a roster move to clear space for Davis.
Manning has bruised shoulder, Umenyiora sore knee
By TOM CANAVAN, AP Sports Writer
September 10, 2007
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- Eli Manning has a bruised right shoulder and it is uncertain whether the New York Giants quarterback will play against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.
Manning had an MRI on Monday that revealed a contusion to the acromioclavicular joint, near the collarbone.
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"They have put it in my hands," Manning said of his playing status. "It's how you heal, and when you start to feel good and when you can make the throws. It's not a certain amount of time. It's how long you take to heal. I hope I'm a fast healer."
Manning called his injury a bruised shoulder. Giants coach Tom Coughlin said it was sprained. The Giants public relations staff labeled it a bruised AC joint.
Manning's shoulder will be iced and get electrical stimulation over the next two days. The Giants start practicing for the Packers on Wednesday.
"Everything is probably as good as it can be from the test results," Manning said of the injury to the top of his shoulder. "It's just a matter of when do you have the strength and when do you feel you can throw it full strength, and you'll be out there playing."
The Giants got other good news on Monday. Former Pro Bowl defensive end Osi Umenyiora irritated the cartilage in his left knee in the first quarter, and his status is day to day. Halfback Brandon Jacobs, who sprained his right knee, will be week to week.
Manning, who has started 42 straight regular-season and playoff games for the Giants dating to 2004, said he wasn't in a lot of pain on Monday evening. He even joked with reporters. He said he brushed his teeth with his right hand, started his car with his right hand and then stuck out his right hand and shook hands with one reporter.
Walking off the field on Sunday night after the 45-35 loss to the Cowboys in Dallas, Manning only stuck out his left hand to greet opponents.
For effect on Monday, Manning even grabbed a pair of shorts hanging in his locker and lifted them three times in a weightlifting move.
"I am not in pain or hurting in any way," said Manning, who completed 28 of 41 passes for 312 yards, four touchdowns and one interception in the loss. "When I can throw the ball, I will be out there throwing."
Manning and Coughlin denied an ESPN report that the quarterback had a separated shoulder and would be out four weeks.
"I don't know where that report came from and I don't know where the information supposedly came from," Coughlin said, adding that if Manning can't play this week "it will be another week."
Jared Lorenzen, who finished up in the Giants' final series, will start if Manning can't go Sunday.
Manning was hurt on a failed two-point conversion attempt in the fourth quarter when he was hit by linebacker Anthony Spencer.
"I knew it didn't feel good," said Manning, who has never missed a game at any level because of an injury. "Sometimes you'll get hit and you'll lose some strength and it will come back. I was just hoping that that's what it was, but I knew it was a little bit more than that."
Following Gibril Wilson's interception, Manning went right back out and threw his third touchdown pass to Plaxico Burress.
After Dallas scored on a third-down, 51-yard touchdown pass on a play in which officials missed an illegal procedure by Cowboys receiver Patrick Crayton, Coughlin and Manning decided it would be best for him to take the rest of the night off.
"I knew there was something wrong," Manning said. "I knew it had gotten a little tighter and I felt more pain, I guess, after sitting a little more time on the sideline. I didn't want to make anything worse. If we had stopped them on the third down and gotten the ball back, my competitive nature, I would have gone back in there and tried to win that game."
Notes
Derrick Ward will start for Jacobs with Reuben Droughns getting more time as his backup. ... The Giants are considering moving LB Mathias Kiwanuka back to defensive end if Umenyiora takes a while to heal. ... The Giants signed DT Russell Davis, a nine-year veteran who has played for Chicago, Arizona and Seattle. They have until 4 p.m. Tuesday to make a roster move to clear space for Davis.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Im willing to believe Mort and ESPN more than Coughlin in this case. Reason being ESPN seems to really believe this report. If they are wrong this would really look bad for them. Coughlin on the other hand has reason to hide this injury for now. And if it ends up that hes not telling the truth it wont look very bad for him at all. People would chalk it up as part of the gamesmanship.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I say he misses 2 weeks
shadyridr
Footballguy
They can say whatever they want about his injury status. As long as they report the truth on the injury report then there's nothing the NFL can do.