Anybody buying on Demarco Murray? (1 Viewer)

[jeaton6]

Dallas is at $130.2 mill the 2015 cap is $140 mill. They can sign both-tough but possible.

if they can get Murray "cheap" then they will resign him but there is no way they are going to give him the monster deal he's likely after.

This seems very odd to me. I know he had massive workload (foster on steroids) but he and the O-line are what lead to the offensive success this year. They completely changed their philosophy this year. Romo and Dez were extremely efficient because of the running game. Do you believe they are going to risk significant regression and let him walk?

 

[ghostguy123]

Dallas is at $130.2 mill the 2015 cap is $140 mill. They can sign both-tough but possible.

if they can get Murray "cheap" then they will resign him but there is no way they are going to give him the monster deal he's likely after.

This seems very odd to me. I know he had massive workload (foster on steroids) but he and the O-line are what lead to the offensive success this year. They completely changed their philosophy this year. Romo and Dez were extremely efficient because of the running game. Do you believe they are going to risk significant regression and let him walk?

They won't "let" him, but if he just goes for the best deal available then there is no way he is back in Dallas.

I think he ends up staying. If not, I think he goes somewhere with a good situation like Indy or Atl.

The contract thing is only discounting his value just a little for me, not very much. He is plenty good enough to thrive just about anywhere.

 

[jeaton6]

Dallas is at $130.2 mill the 2015 cap is $140 mill. They can sign both-tough but possible.

if they can get Murray "cheap" then they will resign him but there is no way they are going to give him the monster deal he's likely after.

This seems very odd to me. I know he had massive workload (foster on steroids) but he and the O-line are what lead to the offensive success this year. They completely changed their philosophy this year. Romo and Dez were extremely efficient because of the running game. Do you believe they are going to risk significant regression and let him walk?

They won't "let" him, but if he just goes for the best deal available then there is no way he is back in Dallas.

I think he ends up staying. If not, I think he goes somewhere with a good situation like Indy or Atl.

The contract thing is only discounting his value just a little for me, not very much. He is plenty good enough to thrive just about anywhere.

Agreed. If he goes for the $ they probably won't be highest bidder but I'm not buying the 4/$16 is anywhere near what they're willing to pay. If it was take the money and go to Atlanta or take a bit of a home town discount and stay in Dallas I think he stays. If Indy or a legit contender is highest bidder he's gone.

 

[georg013]

Anyone who believes Murray is coming back for a discount doesnt know Murray. He is chasing the paper. Expect the Cowboys to draft his replacement and expect his replacement to perform well.

 

[cowboyz1]

I suspect he will be somewhere else by next season. If he's not with the Cowboys, I'm taking him late. Me thinks he goes for the money and ends up on a team that gets him pounded and on the bench, nicked up the rest of his career.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Dallas is at $130.2 mill the 2015 cap is $140 mill. They can sign both-tough but possible.

if they can get Murray "cheap" then they will resign him but there is no way they are going to give him the monster deal he's likely after.

This seems very odd to me. I know he had massive workload (foster on steroids) but he and the O-line are what lead to the offensive success this year. They completely changed their philosophy this year. Romo and Dez were extremely efficient because of the running game. Do you believe they are going to risk significant regression and let him walk?

i think the regression they will have longterm will be much worse if they invest a ton in a guy coming off the first healthy season of his career.

when it's all said and done 2014 will probably be looked at as an extreme outlier in his career.

He's a great RB when healthy, but he was used and abused this year with 500 touches. He was always banged up in college too, this is the first year he's stayed healthy since college.

 

[jeaton6]

Dallas is at $130.2 mill the 2015 cap is $140 mill. They can sign both-tough but possible.

if they can get Murray "cheap" then they will resign him but there is no way they are going to give him the monster deal he's likely after.

This seems very odd to me. I know he had massive workload (foster on steroids) but he and the O-line are what lead to the offensive success this year. They completely changed their philosophy this year. Romo and Dez were extremely efficient because of the running game. Do you believe they are going to risk significant regression and let him walk?

i think the regression they will have longterm will be much worse if they invest a ton in a guy coming off the first healthy season of his career.

when it's all said and done 2014 will probably be looked at as an extreme outlier in his career.

He's a great RB when healthy, but he was used and abused this year with 500 touches. He was always banged up in college too, this is the first year he's stayed healthy since college.

Reality is almost all RBs (even the best) miss games with injury over multiple years. Peterson, Charles, McCoy, Bell, etc. After Peterson's best year's ever there was sharp regression but that's to be expected. Outside of his legal issues I'm guessing Minny was pretty happy with even those down years. People have been calling for Fosters downfall for years due to his heavy workload and near 500 touches a few years back. While he's always a bit banged up he is the centerpiece of that offense.

Put me in the camp of taking the guy with only 1,200 career touches and 27 y/o vs an unknown rookie or 30 y/o ADP with his baggage and 2,400 career touches in 7 years. I'd be more concerned about the 335 touches per year, a year off from football and the personal baggage ADP is bringing than the possibility (or even likely hood) of regression from Murray.

Romo is 35 in April and continues to fight through injury. Pretty tight window here for Dallas with Romo at the helm. If I'm Dallas I'm doing what I have to in order to retain Murray to build on what was accomplished this year.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretty much. All about window of opportunity.

Maybe they can give Murray a longer contract with more guaranteed, and cut him in like 3 years, then take a cap hit years 4 and 5. Something like that.

 

[cstu]

Pretty much. All about window of opportunity.

Maybe they can give Murray a longer contract with more guaranteed, and cut him in like 3 years, then take a cap hit years 4 and 5. Something like that.

Might as well get Peterson then.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretty much. All about window of opportunity.

Maybe they can give Murray a longer contract with more guaranteed, and cut him in like 3 years, then take a cap hit years 4 and 5. Something like that.

Might as well get Peterson then.

?

 

[cstu]

Pretty much. All about window of opportunity.

Maybe they can give Murray a longer contract with more guaranteed, and cut him in like 3 years, then take a cap hit years 4 and 5. Something like that.

Might as well get Peterson then.

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I'm assuming Peterson will be cut...he'd be better to sign for a 2-3 year run than Murray, who has had trouble staying healthy until last year.

 

[ghostguy123]

Last I checked Peterson isn't totally immune to injury either lately, and is 30. He also might not even be active, who knows.

Peterson would certainly be a nice consolation prize, but for a 3 year window I will take Murray for that particular team.

 

[cowboyz1]

The writing is on the wall for Murray to be gone, as Jerry stated "it will be a difficult task to keep both Murray and Dez". Since Dez isn't going anywhere, Murray seems to be on the way out. I believe that by kickoff of the 2015 season, AP will be the starting RB in Dallas.

 

[dirtyjay]

Teams that need a RB are SD IND BAL NE ATL SEA ARZ DAL are good landing spots.

 

[jeaton6]

The writing is on the wall for Murray to be gone, as Jerry stated "it will be a difficult task to keep both Murray and Dez". Since Dez isn't going anywhere, Murray seems to be on the way out. I believe that by kickoff of the 2015 season, AP will be the starting RB in Dallas.

Are the cowboys trading for ADP?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Pretty much. All about window of opportunity.

Maybe they can give Murray a longer contract with more guaranteed, and cut him in like 3 years, then take a cap hit years 4 and 5. Something like that.

Might as well get Peterson then.

?

I'm assuming Peterson will be cut...he'd be better to sign for a 2-3 year run than Murray, who has had trouble staying healthy until last year.

Peterson has had just as much trouble staying healthy and will be 30 next season.

 

[Boston]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...no knock on Murray because he's a real good one but I think they are better off signing Dez and using their money to beef up other areas of the team...use a high pick on another RB (to go along with what they have) and sign a guy like Ridley for short money and you still should be extremely productive in the ground game...with all that's been invested in that O line they have to trust that a solid RB will be able to produce at that position...it's never easy letting a big time player like Murray go but in this case it may be the smart thing to do...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As a Murray and Randle owner, would love to see Murray go to a solid option and Randle get the rock for at least this season,

I'm positive that Randle will get first crack no matter what. And also positive he will be highly effective as a lead back.

HOWEVER, my gut is telling me that they will work out a deal with Dez Bryant long term.

This will get the transition tag applied to Murray (8mil)... which will eventually lead to a long term signing before the season starts.

 

[ghostguy123]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

 

[jeaton6]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

Emmitt doesn't fumble that ball or get caught from behind.

 

[jeaton6]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

Emmitt doesn't fumble that ball or get caught from behind.

Check your facts. Emmitt has a HIGHER fumble per touch rate than Murray. As for not getting caught from behind, please provide link to stats on this or better yet just cherry pick two more defendable "facts". Thanks.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The writing is on the wall for Murray to be gone, as Jerry stated "it will be a difficult task to keep both Murray and Dez". Since Dez isn't going anywhere, Murray seems to be on the way out. I believe that by kickoff of the 2015 season, AP will be the starting RB in Dallas.

I thought AP was supposed to be suspended to start the season next year. ???

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

Emmitt doesn't fumble that ball or get caught from behind.

Check your facts. Emmitt has a HIGHER fumble per touch rate than Murray. As for not getting caught from behind, please provide link to stats on this or better yet just cherry pick two more defendable "facts". Thanks.

Did I insult your mother or something? Way to be snarky and condescending.

You go look it up. I watched the man play and I know that Emmitt Smith is one of the most clutch players in NFL history.

I'm headed to my kids basketball game to watch her play. I don't have time to research pro football reference.com just so I can prove some stranger on the Internet of what I know to be true.

Since you're so interested in it, why don't you go ahead and look at the stats to prove me wrong?

"Thanks"

 

[Boston]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

That's why this is a very difficult decision...Murray's a stud and you're probably going to take a step back with this position regardless of who they replace him with...on the flipside RB seems to be a position that you can find a quality replacement at a low price somewhat easily these days and you can than use your money elsewhere to make your team stronger...

 

[jeaton6]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

Emmitt doesn't fumble that ball or get caught from behind.

Check your facts. Emmitt has a HIGHER fumble per touch rate than Murray. As for not getting caught from behind, please provide link to stats on this or better yet just cherry pick two more defendable "facts". Thanks.

Did I insult your mother or something? Way to be snarky and condescending.

You go look it up. I watched the man play and I know that Emmitt Smith is one of the most clutch players in NFL history.

I'm headed to my kids basketball game to watch her play. I don't have time to research pro football reference.com just so I can prove some stranger on the Internet of what I know to be true.

Since you're so interested in it, why don't you go ahead and look at the stats to prove me wrong?

"Thanks"

Sorry guy you're the one making the claims so you can do the leg work. Or not. Maybe just take your lumps and move on? Or like most who make claims they can't back up try to turn it around on the other person. That's a great technique. Well done.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

Emmitt doesn't fumble that ball or get caught from behind.

Check your facts. Emmitt has a HIGHER fumble per touch rate than Murray. As for not getting caught from behind, please provide link to stats on this or better yet just cherry pick two more defendable "facts". Thanks.

Did I insult your mother or something? Way to be snarky and condescending.

You go look it up. I watched the man play and I know that Emmitt Smith is one of the most clutch players in NFL history.

I'm headed to my kids basketball game to watch her play. I don't have time to research pro football reference.com just so I can prove some stranger on the Internet of what I know to be true.

Since you're so interested in it, why don't you go ahead and look at the stats to prove me wrong?

"Thanks"

Sorry guy you're the one making the claims so you can do the leg work. Or not. Maybe just take your lumps and move on? Or like most who make claims they can't back up try to turn it around on the other person. That's a great technique. Well done.

Dude, are you okay?

Take my lumps? You can't even write a correct sentence. I think this imaginary "debate" has been built up in your head.

 

[jeaton6]

I like Murray but with that O line I don't think they need to commit big money to a RB...

I agree and I think most people feel this way, but I'm not sure that Dallas does. Randle looked pretty decent running behind that same line but the Cowboys were still reluctant to give the ball to anyone but Murray, even when he fumbled and even when he had a broken hand. It would appear that they felt he himself was a big part of their success on offense, even though it would appear that anyone could succeed behind that line.

I would say a lot of guys could have success, but leading the league in rushing and looking damn good doing it isnt quite as easy.

Right I mean I guess Emmitt Smith was JAG. Anyone could have run behind that hall of fame line...

Emmitt doesn't fumble that ball or get caught from behind.

Check your facts. Emmitt has a HIGHER fumble per touch rate than Murray. As for not getting caught from behind, please provide link to stats on this or better yet just cherry pick two more defendable "facts". Thanks.

Did I insult your mother or something? Way to be snarky and condescending.

You go look it up. I watched the man play and I know that Emmitt Smith is one of the most clutch players in NFL history.

I'm headed to my kids basketball game to watch her play. I don't have time to research pro football reference.com just so I can prove some stranger on the Internet of what I know to be true.

Since you're so interested in it, why don't you go ahead and look at the stats to prove me wrong?

"Thanks"

Sorry guy you're the one making the claims so you can do the leg work. Or not. Maybe just take your lumps and move on? Or like most who make claims they can't back up try to turn it around on the other person. That's a great technique. Well done.

Dude, are you okay?

Take my lumps? You can't even write a correct sentence. I think this imaginary "debate" has been built up in your head.

On the forum while at the game? Must not be going well for your team...

Yours Truly,

The Internet Grammar Police

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Cowboys
The Dallas Morning News' Jon Machota believes Joseph Randle will be the Cowboys' starting running back in 2015.
The obvious implication of Machota's comments is he believes impending free agent DeMarco Murray will not be back with the team next season. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said it would be a "challenge" to re-sign both Murray and Dez Bryant on Thursday, and given the choice Dallas will almost certainly pick Bryant. An aging running back with a long list of injuries, Murray should be after as much guaranteed money as possible this offseason.

Related: Joseph Randle

Source: Dallas Morning News
Jan 17 - 10:12 AM

 

[djmich]

Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Cowboys
The Dallas Morning News' Jon Machota believes Joseph Randle will be the Cowboys' starting running back in 2015.
The obvious implication of Machota's comments is he believes impending free agent DeMarco Murray will not be back with the team next season. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said it would be a "challenge" to re-sign both Murray and Dez Bryant on Thursday, and given the choice Dallas will almost certainly pick Bryant. An aging running back with a long list of injuries, Murray should be after as much guaranteed money as possible this offseason.

Related: Joseph Randle

Source: Dallas Morning News
Jan 17 - 10:12 AM

This isn't the first time I've seen reference to a local dallas reported saying Randle would be the starter. I get the Murray moving on part, but are they just saying Randle by default or really think he's the guy. If that's even got a 50% chance of happening that is a big valuation increase on Randle.

 

[thatguy]

Didn't the Cowboys offer him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

 

[cstu]

Didn't the Cowboys over him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

If Chris Johnson can get $4M a year then Murray can get more than that. Maybe not a lot more but in the $5M a year range.

 

[jeaton6]

Didn't the Cowboys over him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

If Chris Johnson can get $4M a year then Murray can get more than that. Maybe not a lot more but in the $5M a year range.

I'll take the over. Donnie Brown and Ben Tate got 3.5 Mils per year having accomplished significantly less in their careers. Murray is a workhorse. Going to be interesting.

 

[ghostguy123]

That's why this is a very difficult decision...Murray's a stud and you're probably going to take a step back with this position regardless of who they replace him with...on the flipside RB seems to be a position that you can find a quality replacement at a low price somewhat easily these days and you can than use your money elsewhere to make your team stronger...

People keep saying this, but who? Who are these players that are coming cheap and stepping right in with quality? Yeah it happens occasionally, but the success rate of that seems pretty low to me. It sure seems last year was mostly NON quality with guy who were picked up semi-cheap, and even the top of the FA market like Tate and Gerhart were duds.

If you mean rookies, even that is hit or miss with a 2nd/3rd rounder, plus it means you neglect drafting another position.

 

[ghostguy123]

Jeat and Steady, way to have the worst argument ever. Yeesh. Appreciate it.

 

[thatguy]

Didn't the Cowboys over him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

If Chris Johnson can get $4M a year then Murray can get more than that. Maybe not a lot more but in the $5M a year range.

Good point.

 

[Boston]

That's why this is a very difficult decision...Murray's a stud and you're probably going to take a step back with this position regardless of who they replace him with...on the flipside RB seems to be a position that you can find a quality replacement at a low price somewhat easily these days and you can than use your money elsewhere to make your team stronger...

People keep saying this, but who? Who are these players that are coming cheap and stepping right in with quality? Yeah it happens occasionally, but the success rate of that seems pretty low to me. It sure seems last year was mostly NON quality with guy who were picked up semi-cheap, and even the top of the FA market like Tate and Gerhart were duds.

If you mean rookies, even that is hit or miss with a 2nd/3rd rounder, plus it means you neglect drafting another position.

Justin Forsett, LaGarette Blount, Jeremy Hill, Isiah Crowell, Terence West, Boom Heron, CJ Anderson, Latavius Murray, Brandon Oliver, Matt Asiata and Tre Mason are all examples of backs who helped their teams either out-of nowhere or as a non-first rounder...now obviously there are plenty of misses as well...there are no guarantees...as I have said there is little doubt that they will take a step back at RB without Murray...yet, the hope is you get better elsewhere by not tying up big money at a position that is currently devalued in the NFL...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

as I have said there is little doubt that they will take a step back at RB without Murray...yet, the hope is you get better elsewhere by not tying up big money at a position that is currently devalued in the NFL...

I think that, in general, this is true. However Dallas is in a bit of a unique situation. This is a team that has been a paper contender for years now and constantly underperformed because they couldn't run the ball and couldn't stick to it. This year they finally put it in Murray's hands and the team finally lived up to the hype because of it. And while I agree that a huge part of that was the line, clearly Dallas thinks that Murray is a BIG part of it because they have a pretty good backup RB in Randle but refused to take the ball out of Murray's hands. They weren't willing to take a small step back to let Murray's hand heal, or to punish him for fumbling, or even to give him a breather many times.

Obviously Dez is priority #1. Beyond that though, I think Jerry Jones and Cowboys' fans in generally let out a big sigh of relief and a thought of "FINALLY!" when the team actually played like one of the top teams in the league this year. After finally reaching that point after all these years of frustrating underachievement I think they'd be hard pressed to take a downgrade at the most important piece of that turnaround in order to spend that money elsewhere.

 

[ghostguy123]

That's why this is a very difficult decision...Murray's a stud and you're probably going to take a step back with this position regardless of who they replace him with...on the flipside RB seems to be a position that you can find a quality replacement at a low price somewhat easily these days and you can than use your money elsewhere to make your team stronger...

People keep saying this, but who? Who are these players that are coming cheap and stepping right in with quality? Yeah it happens occasionally, but the success rate of that seems pretty low to me. It sure seems last year was mostly NON quality with guy who were picked up semi-cheap, and even the top of the FA market like Tate and Gerhart were duds.

If you mean rookies, even that is hit or miss with a 2nd/3rd rounder, plus it means you neglect drafting another position.

Justin Forsett, LaGarette Blount, Jeremy Hill, Isiah Crowell, Terence West, Boom Heron, CJ Anderson, Latavius Murray, Brandon Oliver, Matt Asiata and Tre Mason are all examples of backs who helped their teams either out-of nowhere or as a non-first rounder...now obviously there are plenty of misses as well...there are no guarantees...as I have said there is little doubt that they will take a step back at RB without Murray...yet, the hope is you get better elsewhere by not tying up big money at a position that is currently devalued in the NFL...

That list doesnt help what you were trying to prove, lol. Only a few worthy there.

 

[dirtyjay]

Didn't the Cowboys over him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

If Chris Johnson can get $4M a year then Murray can get more than that. Maybe not a lot more but in the $5M a year range.

Good point.

He may be able to get 6mil but I think Dallas franchises him at 8mil.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Didn't the Cowboys over him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

If Chris Johnson can get $4M a year then Murray can get more than that. Maybe not a lot more but in the $5M a year range.

Good point.

He may be able to get 6mil but I think Dallas franchises him at 8mil.

Depends whether they can get a long term deal done with Dez. Not sure what the 2015 franchise tag is for RBs, prolly be around 10 million. Seems a lot for a team that offered 16 for 4

 

[moondog]

Didn't the Cowboys over him $16 million over 4 years? Seems like a good deal for Murray.

ETA: on the surface it may look like a lowball offer but I think the days of RB's sniffing $8-10 million per year are over.

If Chris Johnson can get $4M a year then Murray can get more than that. Maybe not a lot more but in the $5M a year range.

Good point.

He may be able to get 6mil but I think Dallas franchises him at 8mil.

The franchise tag for a RB will be closer to 11M. The cap is being projected to be between $143 to $146 million.

 

[ghostguy123]

They can't franchise Murray. I can't see that fitting under the cap in 2015, and if it could, they could just sign him longer term with more up front, way more than the reported offer of 4 for 16.

 

[georg013]

Murray is all but gone.

 

[Donnybrook]

Murray is all but gone.

I suspect he re-signs with Dallas. Which team is going to break the bank for Murray?

 

[humpback]

Murray is all but gone.

I suspect he re-signs with Dallas. Which team is going to break the bank for Murray?

There are several teams which would offer him more than Dallas has. They might up their offer, but he will get a decent amount more than $4M/yr IMO.

 

[cstu]

Murray is all but gone.

I suspect he re-signs with Dallas. Which team is going to break the bank for Murray?

There are several teams which would offer him more than Dallas has. They might up their offer, but he will get a decent amount more than $4M/yr IMO.

Yep, no need to break the bank just outbid the Cowboys. There are teams with need at RB and cap money to burn.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If they don't resign DeMarco, at this time the Boys would have only Joseph Randle as a fall back position.

I don't think they could expect the same sort of production from him or a draft pick.

If they let Murray walk they lose a cornerstone of that offense.

You gotta think they hammer out some sort of deal.

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Marcus Mosher @Marcus_Mosher · 4h 4 hours ago

I've been watching every carry of Joseph Randle from the past two years and I still have no idea what kind of player he may be/become.

 

[massraider]

There are too many teams with too much money that could use an upgrade at RB. Someone can give him 8-10 mill up front that Dallas won't match.