Anybody buying on Demarco Murray? (2 Viewers)

[unckeyherb]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I know I'll just sound like a bitter cowboys fan but I think you guys are going to be severely dissapointed in Murray of you take him that high.

Murray is a VERY GOOD back but he is not elite. I'm on record saying all of this prior to last year so it's not sour grapes.

He's even slower on grass.

He's never stayed healthy for 16 games. I have no idea why people say he did last year.

I question his heart now that he's gotten his contract. He screwed the boys 2 years ago when he practiced all week with a big game coming up then pulled out at the last second stating he was only 95%.

I think R.Marthews fits their sceme and to be honest, when healthy I think he's better.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Insein]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Eagles ran 70.4 offensive plays per game last year. Even if Mathews gets 8-12 a game, there's still about 18-22 carries for Murray if we think Bradford will throw 40 passes. That doesn't count the targets either. I tend to see Mathews and Bradford will be less and Murray more.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Didnt take long for Foster...

Arian Foster - RB - Texans
Sources tell ESPN Texans reporter Tania Ganguli that Arian Foster suffered a groin injury in Monday's practice.
It was Houston's first "fully-padded" practice. The extent of Foster's injury is unclear. It's unlikely to be serious, but serves as a stark reminder of what you will be getting into if you draft the soon-to-be 29 year old. Foster simply can't avoid soft-tissue injuries in his legs. Missed games will be almost a certainty this season. Foster has missed at least three contests three of the past four years. Alfred Blue is a recommended handcuff. Foster is currently the RB6 by ADP.

 

[jurb26]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Didnt take long for Foster...

Arian Foster - RB - Texans

Sources tell ESPN Texans reporter Tania Ganguli that Arian Foster suffered a groin injury in Monday's practice.

It was Houston's first "fully-padded" practice. The extent of Foster's injury is unclear. It's unlikely to be serious, but serves as a stark reminder of what you will be getting into if you draft the soon-to-be 29 year old. Foster simply can't avoid soft-tissue injuries in his legs. Missed games will be almost a certainty this season. Foster has missed at least three contests three of the past four years. Alfred Blue is a recommended handcuff. Foster is currently the RB6 by ADP.

Yuck, groin injuries seem to linger.

 

[Sabertooth]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Meh, I think Demarco will be a lot better than McCoy was.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Didnt take long for Foster...

Arian Foster - RB - Texans

Sources tell ESPN Texans reporter Tania Ganguli that Arian Foster suffered a groin injury in Monday's practice.

It was Houston's first "fully-padded" practice. The extent of Foster's injury is unclear. It's unlikely to be serious, but serves as a stark reminder of what you will be getting into if you draft the soon-to-be 29 year old. Foster simply can't avoid soft-tissue injuries in his legs. Missed games will be almost a certainty this season. Foster has missed at least three contests three of the past four years. Alfred Blue is a recommended handcuff. Foster is currently the RB6 by ADP.

Yuck, groin injuries seem to linger.

I think this ends any Foster>Murray debate for the foreseeable future...

ESPN's Tania Ganguli reports Arian Foster's groin injury is "significant," and could require surgery.
Houston radio host Jayson Braddock reports Foster is a candidate for injured reserve/designated to return. That would keep Foster out until Week 10. Foster is no stranger to groin issues, missing two games with one in 2014. Foster remained one of the league's best backs last season, but soft-tissue injuries have begun to take their toll. He's having more and more trouble staying on the field. Alfred Blue was Foster's 2014 backup, but must hold off Jonathan Grimes, Chris Polk and Kenny Hilliard for the duties this season. It's a competition that will be settled on the field in the preseason.

 

[VaTerp]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Meh, I think Demarco will be a lot better than McCoy was.

A lot better? McCoy was a disappointment last year but still managed to put up almost 1500 total yards with over 1300 on the ground. His receiving totals and TDs fell significantly as did his ypc. McCoy certainly bears a lot of the blame but there were early season issues with the O-line and later QB issues, and some interesting decisions by Kelly that led to some vulturing by Polk and I think even Sproles a couple of times.

Just the year before though McCoy had over 2100 total yards and 12TDs, which was just about 100 yards and 1 TD less than Murray had in his all world season last year Shady also had a better ypc. And Murray was playing with a better O-line, QB, and #1WR to take pressure off of defenses.

I owned Murray in redraft last year and am still relatively high on him but there are concerns. Sproles and Mathews potentially have vulture capability. Especially Sproles in the passing game whose presence really hurt Shady's numbers last year. Plus there are questions at QB and WR. Murray may indeed be a better fit for the system but I think saying he will be A LOT better than McCoy is a little short sighted.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

At this point you almost have to take Demarco once CJ, Forte and Foster are taken.

Or before.

Yup. Id take him before CJ and Forte, and maybe before Foster.

Yup, before CJ for sure IMO. Forte maybe, depends a lot on scoring. Foster, probably not.

I'm thinking you'll change your mind now?

I've taken Murray twice over all those guys mentioned. I do like CJ but I've played FF a long time and I've been burned by the "second half" wonder before. I'd like to see him do it again. Same thing when I have a choice between Brown and Beckham--I take Brown. Love them both but like the history.

 

[ponchsox]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Meh, I think Demarco will be a lot better than McCoy was.

A lot better? McCoy was a disappointment last year but still managed to put up almost 1500 total yards with over 1300 on the ground. His receiving totals and TDs fell significantly as did his ypc. McCoy certainly bears a lot of the blame but there were early season issues with the O-line and later QB issues, and some interesting decisions by Kelly that led to some vulturing by Polk and I think even Sproles a couple of times.

Just the year before though McCoy had over 2100 total yards and 12TDs, which was just about 100 yards and 1 TD less than Murray had in his all world season last year Shady also had a better ypc. And Murray was playing with a better O-line, QB, and #1WR to take pressure off of defenses.

I owned Murray in redraft last year and am still relatively high on him but there are concerns. Sproles and Mathews potentially have vulture capability. Especially Sproles in the passing game whose presence really hurt Shady's numbers last year. Plus there are questions at QB and WR. Murray may indeed be a better fit for the system but I think saying he will be A LOT better than McCoy is a little short sighted.

Yes, a lot better. McCoy won't be sniffing the end zone in that abysmal offense.

 

[VaTerp]

Foster missed three games last year, and each one was known prior to lineup deadline (meaning no one took a 0 those days). Of the weeks he DID play he scored: 11, 22, 9.6, 30.20, 27.60, 17.50, 37.30, 19, 21.80, 13.20, 18.65. So in what many would consider a down year due to injury, he scored 20.7 ppg. I'd have a tough time taking Murray over him, especially with the unknowns regarding Matthews' role. People expecting 24+ carries per game from Murray again are going to be disappointed.

Meh, I think Demarco will be a lot better than McCoy was.

A lot better? McCoy was a disappointment last year but still managed to put up almost 1500 total yards with over 1300 on the ground. His receiving totals and TDs fell significantly as did his ypc. McCoy certainly bears a lot of the blame but there were early season issues with the O-line and later QB issues, and some interesting decisions by Kelly that led to some vulturing by Polk and I think even Sproles a couple of times.

Just the year before though McCoy had over 2100 total yards and 12TDs, which was just about 100 yards and 1 TD less than Murray had in his all world season last year Shady also had a better ypc. And Murray was playing with a better O-line, QB, and #1WR to take pressure off of defenses.

I owned Murray in redraft last year and am still relatively high on him but there are concerns. Sproles and Mathews potentially have vulture capability. Especially Sproles in the passing game whose presence really hurt Shady's numbers last year. Plus there are questions at QB and WR. Murray may indeed be a better fit for the system but I think saying he will be A LOT better than McCoy is a little short sighted.

Yes, a lot better. McCoy won't be sniffing the end zone in that abysmal offense.

A lot better than McCoy was IN PHILLY.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Potentially noteworthy - http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/320987741.html

Even if Mathews was No. 2 to Murray's No. 1, the distribution of carries is unlikely to be as disparate as it was with McCoy over the previous two seasons. McCoy logged more than 64 percent of the Eagles' carries. The closest a backup got to him was Bryce Brown's 15 percent of rushes in 2013.

Kelly hasn't put a number on how he'll divvy up the touches. Darren Sproles is also part of the equation. But a 50-30-15 split among the top three running backs would be an early guess.

That's really my main concern about Murray - that Mathews can eat into the touches too much and Demarco's workload is less than what you'd like to see for a late 1st/2nd rd pick. It's not a lock, but I feel like it's a very real possibility if Mathews stays healthy.

The 50-30-15 split is purely the writer's speculation as far as I can tell.

 

[Shutout]

One of the other things I think about/consider when thinking about Murray is this is a guy who has been dinged up on a fairly regular basis. So if he has a "ding", how pressed are the Eagles to rush him back to the lineup when they have Matthews and Sproles compared to the Cowboys having Felix Jones as an option?

I think his reputation will cause the Eagles to be conservative and something like an ankle sprain is 2-3 weeks instead of 1 and maybe a game time decision. Those little things just eat away at the value of such a high priced RB.

Honestly, if last year is any indication of how the Eagles will operate, I wouldn't want any part of him because if Shady McCoy can get his value diminished the way it was while being healthy, what happens with Murray and Matthews? Sproles may be the only guy worth having at his price point.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

One of the other things I think about/consider when thinking about Murray is this is a guy who has been dinged up on a fairly regular basis. So if he has a "ding", how pressed are the Eagles to rush him back to the lineup when they have Matthews and Sproles compared to the Cowboys having Felix Jones as an option?

I think his reputation will cause the Eagles to be conservative and something like an ankle sprain is 2-3 weeks instead of 1 and maybe a game time decision. Those little things just eat away at the value of such a high priced RB.

Honestly, if last year is any indication of how the Eagles will operate, I wouldn't want any part of him because if Shady McCoy can get his value diminished the way it was while being healthy, what happens with Murray and Matthews? Sproles may be the only guy worth having at his price point.

You make some good points but do you not agree that Murray's usage concerns are baked into his price? If he was still in Dallas he'd be the #1 or 2 pick overall. I'll take the risk and relish getting home round two to pair with a killer WR from round one.

 

[Faust]

Eagles Notes: Chip Kelly says he's managing DeMarco Murray's workload

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150815_Chip_Kelly_says_he_s_managing_DeMarco_Murray_s_workload.html#fGDClsTDyFloIpQO.99

 

[Faust]

Chip Kelly: DeMarco Murray's workload a valid concern

 

[Faust]

DeMarco Murray getting ready at own pace:

http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/13104/demarco-murray-getting-ready-at-own-pace

 

[TripItUp]

To be honest, I'm a bit torn. I think he's ranked about right, and I prefer the high upside WRs where Demarco is going in most formats.

 

[Manster]

One of the other things I think about/consider when thinking about Murray is this is a guy who has been dinged up on a fairly regular basis. So if he has a "ding", how pressed are the Eagles to rush him back to the lineup when they have Matthews and Sproles compared to the Cowboys having Felix Jones as an option?

I think his reputation will cause the Eagles to be conservative and something like an ankle sprain is 2-3 weeks instead of 1 and maybe a game time decision. Those little things just eat away at the value of such a high priced RB.

Honestly, if last year is any indication of how the Eagles will operate, I wouldn't want any part of him because if Shady McCoy can get his value diminished the way it was while being healthy, what happens with Murray and Matthews? Sproles may be the only guy worth having at his price point.

You make some good points but do you not agree that Murray's usage concerns are baked into his price? If he was still in Dallas he'd be the #1 or 2 pick overall. I'll take the risk and relish getting home round two to pair with a killer WR from round one.

You're right. He would be a top 3 pick on Dallas.

And I'm thinking he can be very solid for the eagles. Plenty of weapons to keep D's guessing and thin out the middle. Plus, Chips breakneck pace suits him, imo. He's a workhorse that will pound the rock, and finish runs. IF he can stay healthy, he could help the eagles O be a very formidable unit. That's the million dollar question.......Can he handle another heavy workload? And will Chip use him this way? He got dinged up and wore out at the end of the season. Understandably....the dude was a warrior.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

He's simply not going to get the amount of carries to make it worth his draft position.

He's been hurt in every season and now he's got his fat contract. I think 1100 yards and 8-10 TD's is his ceiling. That's if he doesn't get hurt, again.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

He's simply not going to get the amount of carries to make it worth his draft position.

He's been hurt in every season and now he's got his fat contract. I think 1100 yards and 8-10 TD's is his ceiling. That's if he doesn't get hurt, again.

So his CEILING, the MOST possible yards he can get, is 1100, after getting over 2000 last year. *boggle*

 

[gabes1919]

He's simply not going to get the amount of carries to make it worth his draft position.

He's been hurt in every season and now he's got his fat contract. I think 1100 yards and 8-10 TD's is his ceiling. That's if he doesn't get hurt, again.

So his CEILING, the MOST possible yards he can get, is 1100, after getting over 2000 last year. *boggle*

I think 1100 refers to his rushing. I could see him still hitting 1200 if he avoids injury. I do have a hard time seeing him get over 1600 all purpose even with 16 games. Tds will be there but yards, it will be step back rushing and receiving.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

He's simply not going to get the amount of carries to make it worth his draft position.

He's been hurt in every season and now he's got his fat contract. I think 1100 yards and 8-10 TD's is his ceiling. That's if he doesn't get hurt, again.

So his CEILING, the MOST possible yards he can get, is 1100, after getting over 2000 last year. *boggle*

Murray probably has one of the higher ceilings among the top 15 RBs. He's in a good high paced offense, has a good OL, plays some weak Ds, is super talented, so if he puts it all together and they give him 20 touches/game, I could see something like 280 carries, 1280 yards, 40 catches, 300 receiving yards, and 12-15 TDs. Problem is it is sounding like he'll get more like 16 touches/game, so drop the projection by 20% and you have now 1200 TOTAL yards, and 10-12 TDs. Still solid, but maybe not worth taking over Julio or Jordy in the 2nd.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He's simply not going to get the amount of carries to make it worth his draft position.

He's been hurt in every season and now he's got his fat contract. I think 1100 yards and 8-10 TD's is his ceiling. That's if he doesn't get hurt, again.

I'm not sure "ceiling" is the word you're looking for.

 

[whiskey7]

There are some good articles out there with some pretty damning statistics on the long term effect on RBs who have >= 370 carries in a season.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

http://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2012/preseason/myth-overworked-running-backs

 

[LittlePhatty]

There are some good articles out there with some pretty damning statistics on the long term effect on RBs who have >= 370 carries in a season.

The problem with finding a pattern in such a small amount of data is that it could be used to support so many different outcomes, and for potentially the wrong reasons.

Any time a player leads the league in something one year (rushing yards, receiving yards, TDs, whatever) then they are always set up for "disappointment" the next year because the odds are against anyone to repeat such a year. Murray could have a very solid 2015 season worthy of his mid-2nd ADP, and yet still plenty of people would be quick to point it out as a "down" year because of his workload last year, when in reality it's just highly unlikely for anyone to repeat being #1.

I see him as already being discounted right now because of those risks. Most other RBs who had 1,800 yards rushing would be at least a top 3 overall pick the next year. He's a potential top 3 RB at a second round price to go with your first round WR.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

http://www.4for4.com/fantasy-football/2012/preseason/myth-overworked-running-backs

interesting

 

[nyy45]

Murray set the tone for the boys last year and once the 4th quarter hit and dallas had a lead, they fed murray the rock and he wore defenses down. When you have a guy like Murray and you are going into the 4th quarter with the lead, how do you not hand him the rock? The difference between philly and dallas is that philly will mix in Mathews for the first 3 quarters and DeMarco will EAT in the 4th quarter if the birds have a lead. Assuming Mathews even stays healthy.. hes actually A LOT more injury prone than Demarco IMO)

Murray's injury history is below. From what I can see, they are mostly one-off injuries.. awkward tackles and general wear and tear.. The only season he really missed a chunk of games was 2011 and 2012 (3 and 6 games). I remember the game he got injured in 2011 against the Giants.. it was an awkward tackle where his ankle rolled from a defender falling on it.


SEASON LEAGUE INJURY ANALYSIS 2014 NFL Hand Murray fractured the fourth metacarpal in his hand and needed surgery to repair it. He did not miss any games 2013 NFL Knee Murray sprained his MCL in week 6 and missed the following 2 games 2012 NFL Leg Murray suffered a hamstring pull in training and missed OTAs 2012 NFL Foot Sprained foot against Baltimore and missed the next 6 games 2011 NFL Ankle DeMarco Murray fractured his right ankle and was placed on IR missing the remaining 3 games. 2011 NFL Leg Missed first 2 preseason games with hamstring issues 2008 College Leg Pulled a hamstring and missed a game 2007 College Knee Dislocated his patella and missed the folliowing 3 games
Mathews is below.. The thing that concerns me is the concussions.. Also, it seems like his injuries are all over his body.. he's just fragile.. Murray is a beast

SEASON LEAGUE INJURY ANALYSIS 2014 NFL Knee Mathews fell uncomfortably (face first with 3 300lb linebackers on top of him) and was carted off the field with an MCL injury. He is expected to miss 4-6 weeks 2013 NFL Leg Mathews re-aggravated a hamstring injury in week 12 against the chiefs. He left in the 3rd quarter and was not able to return but played the following week 2013 NFL Head Mathews left in the 3rd quarter of the week 5 game with a concussion. He was able to get cleared to play the following week 2012 NFL Upper arm Fractured collarbone and had to leave the game, missing the next three games after undergoing surgery. 2012 NFL Upper arm Placed on IR due to a broken (left)clavicle he sustained in the game against the Panthers. 2012 NFL Head Missed 4 games with a concussion 2011 NFL Calf Left game due to calf strain 2011 NFL Hand Fractured hand and left the game 2011 NFL Calf Matthews aggravated his calf during practice. He later missed one regular game. 2010 NFL Ankle Sprained right ankle ligaments and left the game vs. Jacksonville Jaguars. He then missed another game. 2010 NFL Ankle Aggravated his right ankle and had to miss the next two games. 2009 College Head Suffered concussion and missed 2 games 2008 College Foot Fractured foot and missed 5 games 2007 College Upper arm Fractured clavicle and missed one game

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I thought this was an interesting take by DeMarco Murray.

He thinks the third preseason game will tell how Chip will split reps during the season and he doesn't expect to be rotated.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000516741/article/demarco-doesnt-expect-to-rotate-series-with-mathews

DeMarco doesn't expect to rotate series with Mathews​

By Marc Sessler

• Around the NFL Writer
• Published: Aug. 27, 2015

...The speed of Chip Kelly's attack lends itself to runners shuttling in and out for alternating drives -- and that's exactly how it might play out -- but Murray isn't so sure.

"I don't think it will be alternating series," Murray said, per Corey Seidman of CSN Philly. "But (Mathews) is a quality back, great guy, works extremely hard. I'm sure he'll get his fair share of touches. But I don't know how the rotation will be yet, we haven't touched on it."

All three backs saw first-team snaps on the same drive against the Baltimore Ravens, but Murray said that was more about getting everyone face time with the starters. Last year's Offensive Player of the Year expects Saturday's dress rehearsal against the Green Bay Packers to paint a more accurate picture of how Kelly will use his runners come September.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Eagles

The Philadelphia Inquirer "guesses" that DeMarco Murray will finish the season with "225-250 carries."

Beat writer Jeff McLane estimates Ryan Mathews at "100-125," and Darren Sproles at 50. At the high end of McLane's projections, Eagles backs would combine to finish the season at 425 carries, one year after LeSean McCoy, Chris Polk, and Sproles combined for 415. It's a reasonable projection, but the Eagles are very likely to run more this season than they did in 2014. While it's quite clear Murray won't approach last year's workload in Dallas, he is the obvious lead back in Philadelphia and should still exceed 300 touches if he stays healthy.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer

Sep 1 - 10:32 PM

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Eagles

The Philadelphia Inquirer "guesses" that DeMarco Murray will finish the season with "225-250 carries."Beat writer Jeff McLane estimates Ryan Mathews at "100-125," and Darren Sproles at 50. At the high end of McLane's projections, Eagles backs would combine to finish the season at 425 carries, one year after LeSean McCoy, Chris Polk, and Sproles combined for 415. It's a reasonable projection, but the Eagles are very likely to run more this season than they did in 2014. While it's quite clear Murray won't approach last year's workload in Dallas, he is the obvious lead back in Philadelphia and should still exceed 300 touches if he stays healthy.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer

Sep 1 - 10:32 PM

Faust I sincerely appreciate everything you do here. I just want to point though that anything Maclane says in practically worthless. The media here in Philly will never get any actual info out of the Eagles and McLane least of all. It's documented here that he and Kelly prtty much hate each other's guts. To be fair, Maclane does say he "guesses" but take anything with a grain if salt.

Thanks again for all your awesome contributions!

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

DeMarco Murray - RB - Eagles

NJ Advanced Media's Eliot Shorr-Parks believes DeMarco Murray will see 65 percent of the Eagles' running back carries.

Shorr-Parks believes Ryan Mathews gets 30 percent while Darren Sproles sees 5 percent. Eagles' running backs saw 415 carries last season, which would put Murray at 270 carries using Shorr-Parks' prediction. That is higher than the 250 carries the Philadelphia Inquirer "guessed" on Tuesday, but both numbers would have put Murray in the top ten for rushing attempts last season. As long as he stays healthy, Murray will get enough work to return value on his current late-first-round ADP.

Related: Darren Sproles, Ryan Mathews

Source: Eliot Shorr-Parks on Twitter

Sep 3 - 11:51 AM

 

[Insein]

Eagles are running it 500 times at least this year.

 

[Koya]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

 

[AngryPatriot]

I say nothing... the Cowboys are STUPID to let this guy go- Murray is the reason the offense opened up. I look for big things from Murray but especially a lot of TD's, first and goal carries, easily 15 TD's.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

 

[Insein]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

Totally objective opinion here. No butt hurt at all,

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

Totally objective opinion here. No butt hurt at all,

Tell me where I'm wrong? I like DeMarco Murray plenty. But go back and look through his threads and even before last year I admitted that he was never elite. He is a very very good back. He's smart, he can catch, he could pass black, and he can run hard. What he can no longer do is break a long touchdown run. Everybody likes to say last year he proves he wasn't injury prone but hello, he broke his hand and played like #### the last four games.

 

[Koya]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

Totally objective opinion here. No butt hurt at all,

Tell me where I'm wrong? I like DeMarco Murray plenty. But go back and look through his threads and even before last year I admitted that he was never elite. He is a very very good back. He's smart, he can catch, he could pass black, and he can run hard. What he can no longer do is break a long touchdown run. Everybody likes to say last year he proves he wasn't injury prone but hello, he broke his hand and played like #### the last four games.

Where is it that he can't break a long TD run? You realize Barry Sanders was caught from behind too.

More to the point,in your words "He is a very very good back. He's smart, he can catch, he could pass black, and he can run hard."

You put a very good back that is smart, can catch, can block to be in on catching downs and runs hard in a system that is wide open, perfect for just that type of runner who can both break a tackle and excel in the open field one on one.

And I'd be surprised if he doesn't have multiple 50+ yard TDs this year between receiving and running.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

I dont know about slow. He ran a 4.37 at the combine. Maybe he has lost a step since then, but even if he is now a 4.5 guy, he isnt slow (and I doubt he has lost that much speed). Here are his combine numbers. Excellent athlete.

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/500/

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Individual talent "reviews" mean almost nothing, it's all about production. Does anyone really believe he won't produce in this run friendly, high pace offense?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

I dont know about slow. He ran a 4.37 at the combine. Maybe he has lost a step since then, but even if he is now a 4.5 guy, he isnt slow (and I doubt he has lost that much speed). Here are his combine numbers. Excellent athlete.

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/500/

That was before he broke his leg.

Oh, I forgot to mention his fumbling problems. He lost the game Vs. the Packers by fumbling the ball on what should have been a touchdown run. Granted, he would have been chased down before scoring.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

I dont know about slow. He ran a 4.37 at the combine. Maybe he has lost a step since then, but even if he is now a 4.5 guy, he isnt slow (and I doubt he has lost that much speed). Here are his combine numbers. Excellent athlete.

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/500/

That was before he broke his leg.

Oh, I forgot to mention his fumbling problems. He lost the game Vs. the Packers by fumbling the ball on what should have been a touchdown run. Granted, he would have been chased down before scoring.

You sound like a Cowboys fan. Dont fret...Im sure the McFadden/Randle committee will be a huge improvement over last season's leading rusher in the NFL. Since he is pathetically slow and fumbles so much.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

I dont know about slow. He ran a 4.37 at the combine. Maybe he has lost a step since then, but even if he is now a 4.5 guy, he isnt slow (and I doubt he has lost that much speed). Here are his combine numbers. Excellent athlete.

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/500/

That was before he broke his leg.

Oh, I forgot to mention his fumbling problems. He lost the game Vs. the Packers by fumbling the ball on what should have been a touchdown run. Granted, he would have been chased down before scoring.

You sound like a Cowboys fan. Dont fret...Im sure the McFadden/Randle committee will be a huge improvement over last season's leading rusher in the NFL. Since he is pathetically slow and fumbles so much.

You sound like an #######. You know, not sticking to the subject or posting anything other then the equivalent of me being a hater.

Fine. Don't listen to me. He's really fast, doesn't fumble and doesn't ever get hurt.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Been staying clear of this thread, because I've sorta felt good about Murray this whole year and don't understand how he has dropped so much - and didn't want to tip my hand to any leaguemates.

1. Best runner in the league last year, by a number of measures. Stats, Fantasy, Eye Test, Awards. Especially for a mix of power/speed and catching the ball and breaking it big.

2. Not a guy with that much wear and tear, although until last year were questions re: durability. But shouldn't be more of an issue than with other RBs at this point.

3. Gets signed to a big time contract, which is rare enough for RBs today.

4. Team that signs him runs more plays than anyone and could provide an electic uber high pace (and scoring? possible certainly) offense.

So, last year's RB is in arguably the best possible system for his ability to break a long one with some space on a team that paid him a ton.

Why are we worried about touches? Does a guy need 425 carries to make people happy?

Matthews is a nice player. Even lead backs rarely get more than 70% of the load. 60-65% of the carries and the number of receptions you'd expect would seem to give the best chance for yards per touch - with plenty of touches to begin with.

When I did my way early rankings, going off last year and how it would project into this year, I had him #4 overall. When rankings and all came out, I was shuked.

What am I misreading here?

He's slow as #### and gets injuried every year, including last year. Other then that he's a complete back.

I dont know about slow. He ran a 4.37 at the combine. Maybe he has lost a step since then, but even if he is now a 4.5 guy, he isnt slow (and I doubt he has lost that much speed). Here are his combine numbers. Excellent athlete.

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/500/

That was before he broke his leg.

Oh, I forgot to mention his fumbling problems. He lost the game Vs. the Packers by fumbling the ball on what should have been a touchdown run. Granted, he would have been chased down before scoring.

You sound like a Cowboys fan. Dont fret...Im sure the McFadden/Randle committee will be a huge improvement over last season's leading rusher in the NFL. Since he is pathetically slow and fumbles so much.

You sound like an #######. You know, not sticking to the subject or posting anything other then the equivalent of me being a hater.

Fine. Don't listen to me. He's really fast, doesn't fumble and doesn't ever get hurt.

My bad. Seriously. I shoudlnt have gone there. Just seems outrageous to me that people hate on a guy who just led the league in rushing, and had such a phenomenal season. I know the OL in Dallas is awesome, but Murray was awesome in his own right, and I personally feel that Cowboys fans on the whole do not appreciate what he brought to that offense.

 

[Koya]

1. He sure seems pretty damned fast to me, last year included. The guys taken ahead of him, who is faster? Peterson? Charles certainly. I mean, is anyone else discernibly faster than he?

2. Lots of guys are not great at holding onto the ball. But being paid as much as he is by a new team, they obviously know about it and think he's worth it. That would likely mean we are looking at a guy with pretty nice job security, and, if god forbid his backup needs to take over, see point 3.

3. He is not an iron man, but not sure he has more risk than your general RB looking at the guys taken ahead of him. Finally, you have a nice situation of having a clear backup in Matthews who would likely be a top 15 RB in that system should he be the bell cow back. That's a nice mitigation to that concern.

 

[mnmplayer]

Breaking your leg doesn't slow your speed once healed. It's not the same as a soft tissue injury. If anything the bone is stronger now. Just like a broken axle on a car won't effect the speed of the car once the axle is fixed.

 

[Pumpnick]

i agree with koya, hey koya!

 

[bulger2holt]

I do not trust Chip's 3 headed monster at all. Not buying Murray