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PhantomJB

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I've got the entire group below projected at between 70-80 receptions, 1,000 - 1,110 yds, 6-8TD's, and about 175-185 FF pts in 0.5 PPR. These are all mostly guys going from early 4th rd to late 5th.

Question 1: Is there anyone in here who clearly shouldn't be in here (up or down)?

Question 2: Does this just become a case of personal preference or just draft one of the last guys available if VBD?

Rankings vary, so this is in no particular order:

S. Smith (CAR) - great upside but QB still unproven

S. Smith (NYG) - maybe higher rcpts, lower TD's but overall pts seem to put him in this tier

H. Nicks - upside?

C. Ochocinco

T. Owens

M. Sims-Walker

M. Crabtree

A. Boldin

D. Bowe

P. Harvin (maybe fewer rcpts but total yds could be better than rest due to running plays)

Wouldn't argue if list was expanded to include:

H. Ward

J. Maclin

P. Garcon

M. Floyd

J. Knox

Please help me differentiate and/or identify screaming value plays.

 
PhantomJB said:
Redraft0.5 PPRI've got the entire group below projected at between 70-80 receptions, 1,000 - 1,110 yds, 6-8TD's, and about 175-185 FF pts in 0.5 PPR. These are all mostly guys going from early 4th rd to late 5th.Question 1: Is there anyone in here who clearly shouldn't be in here (up or down)?Question 2: Does this just become a case of personal preference or just draft one of the last guys available if VBD?Rankings vary, so this is in no particular order:S. Smith (CAR) - great upside but QB still unprovenS. Smith (NYG) - maybe higher rcpts, lower TD's but overall pts seem to put him in this tierH. Nicks - upside?C. OchocincoT. OwensM. Sims-WalkerM. CrabtreeA. BoldinD. BoweP. Harvin (maybe fewer rcpts but total yds could be better than rest due to running plays)Wouldn't argue if list was expanded to include:H. WardJ. MaclinP. GarconM. FloydJ. KnoxPlease help me differentiate and/or identify screaming value plays.
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My Ranking:1. Michael Crabtree - safest pick in my opinion.2. Steve Smith (CAR) - best bet to finish atop all these WRs but has, like you said, QB/injury concerns3. Dwayne Bowe - like what I'm hearing from KC; sounds like Bowe finally has his head on straight4. Terrell Owens - perhaps Owens never lost anything in Buffalo and simply had a down year from being on such a horrible team; if that's the case, he's a great value.5. Jeremy Maclin - don't like how he had a couple of injury incidents this off-season but he'll breakout big this year. I asked Ray Didinger who he likes most to breakout on the Eagles and he thinks it's Maclin...believes he'll be a star (forget exactly what he said...it was during a chat on CSNPhilly.com). Take it for what you will, but Diddy's no dummy. 6. Hakeem Nicks - lots of upside but believe the Giants will focus on the running game and spread the ball more in the passing game7. Steve Smith (NYG) - without the receptions, his value goes down; I don't think he'll repeat his numbers last year.8. Chad Ochocinco9. Mike Sims-Walker 10. Anquan Boldin11. Malcolm Floyd12. Hines Ward13. Percy Harvin14. Pierre Garcon15. Johnny Knox
 
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1. Michael Crabtree

2. Steve Smith (NYG)

3. Steve Smith (CAR)

Steve Smith NYG led the NFL in receptions last yr, he is a stud and should not be overlooked.

 
I have Crabtree as my #1 WR2 as well.

He has the pedigree to be one of the best in the NFL. What he did last year stats wise missing an entire training camp and preseason as a rookie is just astounding to me.

2009: 11 games, 48 receptions, 625 yards, 2TDs

If you were to expand that to 16 games it would have been 70 receptions, 909 yards, 3TDs.

I think he is in for a big year. The 49ers offense (in particular their QB) has looked fantastic and they have a very nice schedule.

 
Deuce said:
Why did I think Welker led the NFL in receptions last year?
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Obviously...but the fact he's like 6 months removed from surgery wouldn't push you to draft a Crabtree or Steve Smith over him? Of course all things equal this wouldn't even be a discussion
 
PhantomJB said:
Redraft0.5 PPRI've got the entire group below projected at between 70-80 receptions, 1,000 - 1,110 yds, 6-8TD's, and about 175-185 FF pts in 0.5 PPR. These are all mostly guys going from early 4th rd to late 5th.Question 1: Is there anyone in here who clearly shouldn't be in here (up or down)?Question 2: Does this just become a case of personal preference or just draft one of the last guys available if VBD?Rankings vary, so this is in no particular order:S. Smith (CAR) - great upside but QB still unprovenS. Smith (NYG) - maybe higher rcpts, lower TD's but overall pts seem to put him in this tierH. Nicks - upside?C. OchocincoT. OwensM. Sims-WalkerM. CrabtreeA. BoldinD. BoweP. Harvin (maybe fewer rcpts but total yds could be better than rest due to running plays)Wouldn't argue if list was expanded to include:H. WardJ. MaclinP. GarconM. FloydJ. KnoxPlease help me differentiate and/or identify screaming value plays.
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This pool is deep and getting two should be easy on draft day. Drafting 2 RB's and then getting 2 of these could be a nice strategy for success, especially if one of the higher ranked ones fall to you in the 4th. I'd rank them:1. OchoCinco - I'm buying some of the TO hype, but 85 is the better WR of the two at their ages and has been in the system longer. I'm thinking 85-1250-72. Steve Smith CAR - He has been the #1WR not too long ago and that team can run the ball. He'll get some big plays this year with a more accurate QB.3. Anquan Boldin - He is a great WR (he outperformed Fitz at times in ARZ), and Flacco is a very good QB. He has great upside and limited downside.4. Michael Crabtree - Super-stud talent...would be a WR1 if not for poor QB play. Also, with Vernon Davis & Gore, teams can't commit 2 players to him all of the time.5. Dwayne Bowe - He was knocking on the door two years ago and last year was a learning process for him. He's ready to produce and the Chiefs will be more improved.6. Hakeem Nicks - As a Steve Smith NYG dynasty owner, it pains me to admit this, but he is the better WR of the two. The Giants still won't be able to run like they'd like, so they will lean on the passing game more like last season.7. Terrell Owens - He's got enough left in the tank to have another good season, especially on a team with a capable RB, good QB & good WR opposite him.8. Steve Smith (NYG) - see Nicks comments above9. Hines Ward - He always produces and until he doesn't, I won't predict a decline. Dude works as hard as anyone in the league.10. Mike Sims-Walker - Benefits from being the undisputed #1 with a good RB, but QB play and injury concerns pull him down.11. Jeremy Maclin - Like him to make huge strides in the WCO under Reid with DeSean & Celek commanding attention.12. Percy Harvin - Would have been higher except for migraine issues. Good offense, HOF QB, superb talent, quality RB....all favorable aspects to his situation.13. Johnny Knox - I'd like to see a couple of games of performance, but he has some high upside in that system with that QB.
 
Jayrod said:
4. Michael Crabtree - Super-stud talent...would be a WR1 if not for poor QB play. Also, with Vernon Davis & Gore, teams can't commit 2 players to him all of the time.
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I think Smith makes strides this year. I think Crabtree is a borderline WR1.
 
PhantomJB said:
Question 1: Is there anyone in here who clearly shouldn't be in here (up or down)?Question 2: Does this just become a case of personal preference or just draft one of the last guys available if VBD?Rankings vary, so this is in no particular order:S. Smith (CAR) - great upside but QB still unprovenS. Smith (NYG) - maybe higher rcpts, lower TD's but overall pts seem to put him in this tierH. Nicks - upside?C. OchocincoT. OwensM. Sims-WalkerM. CrabtreeA. BoldinD. BoweP. Harvin (maybe fewer rcpts but total yds could be better than rest due to running plays)Wouldn't argue if list was expanded to include:H. WardJ. MaclinP. GarconM. FloydJ. Knox
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One guy that clearly doesn't belong in here IMO is TO. This guy just doesn't have it anymore and he is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game behind #85 and Gresham. Not too mention that Cinci wants to run the ball and Palmer isn't the QB he used to be. TO is a tier 4 WR at best IMO.I also don't think Harvin belongs in this group and is more suitable in tier 3. Now that Rice has gone down he will probably get more looks, but his ADP is probably going to go through the roof as well. I'll pass on him, thanks.The 2 guys I like most looking at this group is S. Smith, Car and Boldin. They are true #1s on their team and have immense talent. I don't think the Car QB play is going to be as bad as most think because 1. they have a great oline and running game to take pressure off the QB and 2. Smith gets worked into a lot of short passing plays. Boldin has a great QB and will be the focal point of the Balt passing attack. I also like Maclin as a tier 2 guy but that is more risky. Philly loves to pass and there will be enough balls to go around.
 
jurb26 said:
One guy that clearly doesn't belong in here IMO is TO. This guy just doesn't have it anymore and he is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game behind #85 and Gresham. Not too mention that Cinci wants to run the ball and Palmer isn't the QB he used to be. TO is a tier 4 WR at best IMO.
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Disagree completely.
 
whodeywhodey said:
jurb26 said:
One guy that clearly doesn't belong in here IMO is TO. This guy just doesn't have it anymore and he is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game behind #85 and Gresham. Not too mention that Cinci wants to run the ball and Palmer isn't the QB he used to be. TO is a tier 4 WR at best IMO.
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Disagree completely.
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It's also doesn't help that Cinci didn't want him until they found out that Bryant's knee was jello.
 
whodeywhodey said:
I have Crabtree as my #1 WR2 as well.He has the pedigree to be one of the best in the NFL. What he did last year stats wise missing an entire training camp and preseason as a rookie is just astounding to me.2009: 11 games, 48 receptions, 625 yards, 2TDsIf you were to expand that to 16 games it would have been 70 receptions, 909 yards, 3TDs.I think he is in for a big year. The 49ers offense (in particular their QB) has looked fantastic and they have a very nice schedule.
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In a 12 team league I have Crabtree as my no 3 WR. Its a redraft 1/2 pt PPR league.

But thats only because I have Megatron and Brandon Marshall as my no 1 and no 2 on my team.

;)

 
jurb26 said:
One guy that clearly doesn't belong in here IMO is TO. This guy just doesn't have it anymore and he is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game behind #85 and Gresham. Not too mention that Cinci wants to run the ball and Palmer isn't the QB he used to be. TO is a tier 4 WR at best IMO.

I also don't think Harvin belongs in this group and is more suitable in tier 3. Now that Rice has gone down he will probably get more looks, but his ADP is probably going to go through the roof as well. I'll pass on him, thanks.

The 2 guys I like most looking at this group is S. Smith, Car and Boldin. They are true #1s on their team and have immense talent. I don't think the Car QB play is going to be as bad as most think because 1. they have a great oline and running game to take pressure off the QB and 2. Smith gets worked into a lot of short passing plays. Boldin has a great QB and will be the focal point of the Balt passing attack.

I also like Maclin as a tier 2 guy but that is more risky. Philly loves to pass and there will be enough balls to go around.
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Nice feedback.I struggle a little bit with the bolded part and therefore have a tough time breaking Boldin out from the other WR2 masses. Many have been written that Flacco and Mason have an established rhythm that will be tough for a newcomer to break into. Through the first two preseason games (admittedly preseason, I get that, but all we have to go on for now), their stats are:

Boldin 5 tgts, 2 recpt, 24 yds

Mason 5 tgts 3 recpts, 27 yds

Love Boldin's talent obviously, but not yet convinced he will be a WR1 either in Baltimore or in FF.

 
I'd throw Bucs rookie WR1 Mike Williams into the middle of that group as well as Steelers WR2 Mike Wallace. Maybe even Raiders WR1 Louis Murphy too.

And where do you mix TEs into this group? My league starts 3 WRs or TEs (they count the same).

So I gotta rank Gates/Clark/Davis/Finley into this ranking too.

 
whodeywhodey said:
I have Crabtree as my #1 WR2 as well.He has the pedigree to be one of the best in the NFL. What he did last year stats wise missing an entire training camp and preseason as a rookie is just astounding to me.2009: 11 games, 48 receptions, 625 yards, 2TDsIf you were to expand that to 16 games it would have been 70 receptions, 909 yards, 3TDs.I think he is in for a big year. The 49ers offense (in particular their QB) has looked fantastic and they have a very nice schedule.
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3TDs?
 
Oh sorry to get back to your question. Everyone at the top of your list are solid no 2 WR's. I would say TO, Crabtree, and Harvin are more WR2/WR3. Depending on the type and size of your league. In the league your in I'd say they are High WR3's and possibly WR2's. Hope that helps.

 
PhantomJB said:
jurb26 said:
One guy that clearly doesn't belong in here IMO is TO. This guy just doesn't have it anymore and he is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game behind #85 and Gresham. Not too mention that Cinci wants to run the ball and Palmer isn't the QB he used to be. TO is a tier 4 WR at best IMO.

I also don't think Harvin belongs in this group and is more suitable in tier 3. Now that Rice has gone down he will probably get more looks, but his ADP is probably going to go through the roof as well. I'll pass on him, thanks.

The 2 guys I like most looking at this group is S. Smith, Car and Boldin. They are true #1s on their team and have immense talent. I don't think the Car QB play is going to be as bad as most think because 1. they have a great oline and running game to take pressure off the QB and 2. Smith gets worked into a lot of short passing plays. Boldin has a great QB and will be the focal point of the Balt passing attack.

I also like Maclin as a tier 2 guy but that is more risky. Philly loves to pass and there will be enough balls to go around.
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Nice feedback.I struggle a little bit with the bolded part and therefore have a tough time breaking Boldin out from the other WR2 masses. Many have been written that Flacco and Mason have an established rhythm that will be tough for a newcomer to break into. Through the first two preseason games (admittedly preseason, I get that, but all we have to go on for now), their stats are:

Boldin 5 tgts, 2 recpt, 24 yds

Mason 5 tgts 3 recpts, 27 yds

Love Boldin's talent obviously, but not yet convinced he will be a WR1 either in Baltimore or in FF.
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I like Mason. But Boldin is far better than him. Boldin is truly a stud WR, and the only reason he doesn't get more respect is because 1. injuries, and 2. Fitz. In Baltimore, if he can stay healthy, he will be the #1 guy.
 
jurb26 said:
whodeywhodey said:
jurb26 said:
One guy that clearly doesn't belong in here IMO is TO. This guy just doesn't have it anymore and he is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game behind #85 and Gresham. Not too mention that Cinci wants to run the ball and Palmer isn't the QB he used to be. TO is a tier 4 WR at best IMO.
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Disagree completely.
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It's also doesn't help that Cinci didn't want him until they found out that Bryant's knee was jello.
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What? If anything I think that BUMPS his value up. He's the sure bet to start at WR2.
 
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