sportsphysio
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If hoping to draft both, what rounds are you looking to do so? If you already drafted them, what rounds did you get them?
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Anyone draft/drafting JStewart AND DeWilliams? (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Watched them go back to back to the LT owner in rounds 4/5 last weeked.
freeannyong
Footballguy
I got Stewart in 5 and Williams in 7 in my 12 teamer. It went really RB heavy the first 3 rounds tho, so I think they both slipped some. I picked 11th btw.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
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Thats an absured way to get a handcuff.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Had he not done it - he wouldnt have gotten them handcuffed.Neither one of them was going to make it back to him in 6/7.
weasel3515
Footballguy
I took them both, in the 5th and 6th rounds. Now wishing I hadn't and gone with a RB from another team as it really puts all eggs in one basket.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
How long ago was the draft? Much flux from these gents over the past 3 weeks.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
What exactly are you basing that on?The Foster/Williams situation from 06/07? Who is to say that Williams should have gotten more carries or if that would have helped the team significantly?Fox has coached the team since 2002:2002 - Lamar Smith was the veteran and the leading rusher. The rookie was Dee Brown. Brown was out of the NFL after 2 more seasons.2003 - This was Stephen Davis first and best year for Carolina where he rumbled for 1400+ yards and 8 TDs. This was also Foster's rookie year. Should he have played Foster? Oh, BTW, they went to the Super Bowl this year.2004 - Injury soaked year for both Davis and Foster. Nick Goings leads the team in rushing with 800+ yards. Who was being overlooked?2005 - Sort of a RBBC with Foster leading the team in rushing with almost 900 yards and Davis chipping in 500+. Davis is the goal line back and TD vulture getting 12 TDs. Does this year qualify? I don't believe it does.Then we have 2006/2007 with Foster and Williams. Only the future will tell us if Fox was correct in favoring Foster over Williams. But you have to read something into him drafting Stewart in the 1st round eh?Sorry, I don't buy into the theory that Fox will favor the veteran unconditionally.
a_troll00
Footballguy
I've got Williams on just about all of my teams. I was able to get him anywhere between rounds 7-9. Very good value IMO. For me, Williams was the one I've been targeting since Stewart missed OTAs and so many training camp practices because of his toe. Being a rookie, Stewart really needs that participation to be fully effective at the NFL level.
I'm betting Williams to get the majority of the carries this season (even if it's a 60-40 split), and I'm sticking by that bet. Next year could be a completely different story, but that's for another season.
I'm betting Williams to get the majority of the carries this season (even if it's a 60-40 split), and I'm sticking by that bet. Next year could be a completely different story, but that's for another season.
Catbird
Footballguy
I have had DeAngelo since he came out in my dynasty league (wasting space here for quite some while). Now I have the #2 in this year's rookie/free agent draft. I'm taking Stewart for the long term handcuff (we get to keep our top 5 guys and a rookie indefinitely). I like the injury protection, and will have the winner when/if one takes over or their rolls switch. The worst for me, then, becomes and 50/50 committee. I'm rooting for the Fox-will-primarily-back-one-back analysis to be proven correct, whether its a play the veteran version or go hard with the young physical freak. My opinion is that, absent injury, it'll be 'lead with the veteran' for at least the first 10-12 weeks. Likely all year if its working.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I did. In a keeper. 5 and 6. I am crazy. (had prev remembered 10. That said I went LT 1.1 Andre Johnson 2.12, Calvin Johnson 4.7. So I felt that taking both guys, who have great keeper value too, represented having a SOLID RB2 to accompany the LT train.
I also happen to think stewart will grab it and run, but nice to have some insurance on that.
I also happen to think stewart will grab it and run, but nice to have some insurance on that.
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
LT owner, ut I swapped 3 and 5, for 4 and 5 (mine were outsides that round and knew i wanted to reach a lil for CJ, but getting a 4 round tag helped a lil.) Then took 4.7 5.5 JS/DW. I liked it.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Not when both are young guys who both could slip upo to 2nd round if the cards fall their way. I also have a few other young backs (ray rice, rashard mendenhall) so we'll see.I DID just notice that all 3 share week 9 bye week.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I dunno. As well (and often) as the panthers like to run I could see a similar situation to F taylor/MJD where both were startable, with one being a little less so (here I think DW)
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Both? Or one-or-the-other?
hotdogcollars
Footballguy
Got him in the 10th in FFOC and Stewart went just after that. He's my RB4, so i'm not too concerned about the RBBC or even who gets the most carriers out of the two. Figured it was just too good a value to pass up at that point.
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Anthony Borbely
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I have not drafted yet but I expect them to go between the 5th - 7th in my 12 team league.
I think they are both very talented and I anticipate carries being split evenly with Stewart getting more TD's but DeAngelo getting more receptions.
I think you have to consider drafting them i the 5th - 7th round range because they each have a great upside if the other get hurts, but I would not look forward to having to decide which one of these guys to start every week if they were both healthy.
I think they are both very talented and I anticipate carries being split evenly with Stewart getting more TD's but DeAngelo getting more receptions.
I think you have to consider drafting them i the 5th - 7th round range because they each have a great upside if the other get hurts, but I would not look forward to having to decide which one of these guys to start every week if they were both healthy.
Hue G
Footballguy
I had the same logic last year taking Foster and DeWilliams, that didn't work out so well. If Carolina goes with a true RBCC owners of both Stewart and Williams will probably be pretty disappointed. That being said I did grab Stewart in the 6th round of 2 of my 3 leagues, for some reason I'm starting to question that pick more and more.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Beginning of round 6 for Stewart and the middle of round 8 for DeWilliams in a 12 team league last night, different owners.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
It just depends on where you get them. If you're reaching for one, or both, of them when better players are on the board just to get the duo then it's not such a good move. If the value is there, snag away. One of them getting dinged could mean the other one turns into the main back everyone is hoping for...or maybe one separates themselves from the other after a few weeks. If it's 50/50 RBBC all season, then ya that might stink but I'm expecting Carolina to be good enough to make one of them (the one getting more TDs) valuable.
freeannyong
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This is why I snagged them. I have them as a playoff team and am thinking it is going to be a Taylor (Willilams)/MJD (Stewart) combo.
I got Williams in 2 drafts; both in the 9th round (one was a 10 team and the other a 12 team). I am not a Stewart fan; so getting him never crossed my mind. Stewart went in Rd. 7 in the 12 team; I can't remember the round in the 10 team league.
To me it boils down to toe issues, rookies generally struggle with picking up the blitz and the game is just faster. I think Stewart has longer term value; but Williams is the safer play.
Plus; when you have Williams as RB4...how can that be a bad bet....
To me it boils down to toe issues, rookies generally struggle with picking up the blitz and the game is just faster. I think Stewart has longer term value; but Williams is the safer play.
Plus; when you have Williams as RB4...how can that be a bad bet....
blackjack23
Footballguy
There is no risk grabbing either of them. Even in a RBBC they make a decent RB2 and a solid flex player. If one gets hurt then the other one becomes a stud.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm picking 7th in my 12 years running 10 teamer, and we get the option of keepiong our 6th round pick every year, maximum of 3 per roster...I have made a decision that I will not allow Stewart to get by me at the 5.07...because you have about 30 players already on rosters, the 5th is more like the 7th/8th...I simply don't want teams to be able to get a shwocase RB. Mendenhall I'm not as worried about now...also hoping Chris Johnson is there at the 6.04. I think he will, this league isn't as quick as some of the sharks in here. I have LJ, Turner, and Lee Evans...Evans is likely going tob e taken off keeper status this year for me.
I Am Rick James
Footballguy
No risk? If you look at the CAR run game in '06 and '07, there was barely a fantasy starter in the group. Exactly when did they get this great running game with all the production needed to feed not 1, but maybe 2 fantasy RB's?JAX is able to do this but I see a big difference in the ability of the 2 teams
blackjack23
Footballguy
When they signed and drafted a bunch of good OLinemen and got Delhomme healthy. Isnt that obvious?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm intrigued by all the love for the Panthers running game. In the Fox era, the Panthers have averaged a team ranking of 14th in attempts but 20th in rushing yards, 21st in rushing TD, and 23rd in YPC. I'm generally leery of RBBC on teams with so-so rushing production. I guess if you can get these two cheap enough it might be worth investigating. But if they do split the work pretty evenly, short of them doing much better than recent history, I doubt either one would put up great fantasy numbers.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I'll link to a prior post that might give some insight as to where the masses are strategizing to take these RBs, and give some recent draft info as to where these RBs were taken.
Stewart/Williams poll
Stewart/Williams poll
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
In a 10 team league, I took Stewart at 7.05 and Williams at 8.06 and my RB3 & RB4. I expect Stewart to be the more valuable of the two as the season goes on, but if I'm wrong or if Stewart gets hurt, Williams should be a good #3 option, as well.
thehornet
Footballguy
DeAngelo will never be stud. Stewart most definitely will be.
BigJim®
Footballguy
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Foster was drafted in the early second IIRC. What did you read into it back when it happened?Williams was drafted in the first. What did you read into that back when it happened?
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Maybe Foster and Williams don't have the talent that Stewart has. But at this point who knows? If NFL scouts get it wrong all the time, it's hubris to think I can really do better.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Poll results so far really surprise me.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Agreed but hasn't the attempts and yardage been more a function of the quality of their backs and the run blocking ability of their line?2003 - They had Stephen Davis still near his prime. They were 7th in yards and 3rd in attempts. Davis gets 8 TDs. This was a Super Bowl year.
2004 - When both Davis and Foster were injured they drop to 28th in yards and 22nd in attempts.
2005 - Davis is severely declining and Foster is really the main guy. They are 19th in yards, 10th in attempts and tie for 8th in TDs. Davis vultures 12 TDs this year.
2006 - Their line is clearly declining and Foster is pretty much the main guy. This is Williams' rookie year. They are 24th in both yards and attempts.
2007 - They rebound quite a bit going 14th in yards and tied for 9th in attempts. They ranked 14th in TDs.
This year the line is clearly better than it has been and Stewart may be the best back they've had since Davis at or near his prime in 2003. But I agree not alot to make you feel good about this attack.
jwinston2
Footballguy
I am sorry but could you point out when I said unconditionally? I was pointing out that in the past many many people thought Foster was better than Davis, regardless if that is true or not, but that Fox stuck with Davis enough that it became a RBBC. Then again many people picked Williams arguing he was better than Foster but Fox still favored Foster, in 2006/2007 Foster had 227/247 carries verses Williams 121/144. You are right we will see but for Stewart to be going 2 rounds ahead of Williams in a redraft when clearly Fox favors using veterans at worst as a RBBC is weird to me, which is all I really said.Don't forget Williams was drafted in the first round as well.
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thehornet
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Coming into his 3rd year in the NFL, i would have expexcted to see more studliness ability by now. I haven't seen it and neither have his coaches.1. couldnt overtake Foster in 2 years (this has got to tell you something)
2. never carried the ball more than 145 times in a single NFL season.
3. dances to much at the line
4. Fox seemingly doesn't love him, but does love a power run game, like Stewart brings.
5. terrible blocker - cant handle linebackers in single coverage assignments
6. not ideal rb size
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think a 6 year sample of Carolina's numbers with Fox should give us an overall "big picture" with regard to the Panther's running game.I agree that they "could" be better with upgrades to the OL and adding Stewart . . . BUT:
- They invested fairly early picks in both Foster and Williams and neither one set the world on fire.
- In that the Fox era, they've drafted as first day picks:
1-8 Jordan Gross T
2-18 Bruce Nelson C
3-31 Travelle Wharton T
3-15 Evan Mathis G
3-25 Rashad Butler T
2-27 Ryan Kalil C
I'm pretty sure they signed some free agent OLmen as well (I'm just too lazy to look up who they were).
- So it's not like they haven't tried addressing their OL needs or haven't brought in other backs.
- Given that, one could make the argument that either the system, playcalling, talent evaluation, or coaching have not been able to develop a system that has worked out very well. Most years they've had below average results.
- I'll admit that they've had a few injuries along the way, but which NFL team has not had to deal with injuries over a 6 year stretch.
- So overall, yes, I'd like to think that this year will be different, but I'm almost at the point where I'd like to see it be different first before wanting to purse any CAR RBs.
- As I mentioned earlier, if you can get these two guys cheap enough, then they may be worth pursuing. But from what I've seen so far, someone in my leagues has thought one or the other will be big this season so neither one has fallen too far.
BigJim®
Footballguy
So, basically ignore 2008?Coming into his 3rd year in the NFL, i would have expexcted to see more studliness ability by now. I haven't seen it and neither have his coaches.1. couldnt overtake Foster in 2 years (this has got to tell you something)
2. never carried the ball more than 145 times in a single NFL season.
3. dances to much at the line
4. Fox seemingly doesn't love him, but does love a power run game, like Stewart brings.
5. terrible blocker - cant handle linebackers in single coverage assignments
6. not ideal rb size
Liquid Tension
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