Anyone else cheering for the 49ers to finish stong in '07 (1 Viewer)

[PR Sparty]

I hate the Pats and can't stand to see the rich get richer. I'd love to see the Niners roll up two more wins and drop out of the top 5 in the draft

 

[Gopher State]

I hate the Pats and can't stand to see the rich get richer. I'd love to see the Niners roll up two more wins and drop out of the top 5 in the draft

Be nice, lots of Pats fans on this board

 

[Footballg]

hate will destroy you.

 

[-OZ-]

I just don't want to see Tampa Bay or Cleveland win another game.

Pats pick going a little lower would just be icing.

 

[cobalt_27]

I hate the Pats and can't stand to see the rich get richer. I'd love to see the Niners roll up two more wins and drop out of the top 5 in the draft

Be nice, lots of Pats fans on this board

:bandwagonsmilie:

 

[Boston]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

 

[mad sweeney]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

Top 5 most likely. And the later the pick, the less $ it costs the Pats so they still win a little bit.

 

[PR Sparty]

I hate the Pats and can't stand to see the rich get richer. I'd love to see the Niners roll up two more wins and drop out of the top 5 in the draft

Be nice, lots of Pats fans on this board

Don't get me wrong, I think they are a great team...I just hate them

 

[BigTuna]

LOL pretty silly thread. Anyone that is not a pats fan should be rooting for SF right now. Unless you don't want your team to win a superbowl in the near future.

 

[Footballg]

Hating winners is a sign of poor sportsmanship.

 

[nerangers]

Mixed feelings about this game...bad for the Pats but sure helped me in FF.

Opponent had R Johnson and C Johnson. I had Chris Henry and Bengals defense....the kicker is that our league rewards TDs over 50 yards double!

This win probably moves them to the fourth position depending on tie breakers.

I am sure the Dolphins now feel hope in winning the last game of the year and going 1 - 15!

 

[Footballg]

Miami gets top pick.

Jets, Rams, and Falcons w/only 3 wins going into this weekend.

Looks like #5 unless some of those guys can help us out.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I'm as excited as the next Pats fan about the potential of adding Darren McFadden to this team. However, that might not be what BB wants. So the Pats move to #5 and potentially still get the guy they want. It might be easier to trade out of #5 than #2. You wont get as much but maybe you are able to trade down where as #2 can be hard to trade out of if there isnt a surefire QB there.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I want them to have a better record than my Jets... so we can pick McFadden

 

[candy bar]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

 

[-OZ-]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

 

[jchapman70]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

 

[Blueb]

I want them to have a better record than my Jets... so we can pick McFadden

How about if the Jets can win today vs. the Pats and ruin their unbeaten streak, but then have a better record than the 49ers and lose McFadden to the Pats. Which do you pick? (not that the Jets winning today is really an option, just asking...)

 

[twitch]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Nahhh. He's still got 3 years left on his contract, so he'll have plenty of chances to produce. But the Pats are 25-4 with Maroney as a RB, so its tough to say anyone on that team is a bust. But if you have several really nice cars in your garage, and you choose to keep some of them in the garage without driving them much, it doesnt mean the others arent nice cars. It just means some cars are more fun to drive than others.

 

[Gatorman]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Nahhh. He's still got 3 years left on his contract, so he'll have plenty of chances to produce. But the Pats are 25-4 with Maroney as a RB, so its tough to say anyone on that team is a bust. But if you have several really nice cars in your garage, and you choose to keep some of them in the garage without driving them much, it doesnt mean the others arent nice cars. It just means some cars are more fun to drive than others.

That's a great stat. I think the Pats win b/c of Larry Izzo. What are their stats since he took over as captain of the Special teams?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

 

[-OZ-]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games. Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust". We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

 

[-OZ-]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

 

[twitch]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Nahhh. He's still got 3 years left on his contract, so he'll have plenty of chances to produce. But the Pats are 25-4 with Maroney as a RB, so its tough to say anyone on that team is a bust. But if you have several really nice cars in your garage, and you choose to keep some of them in the garage without driving them much, it doesnt mean the others arent nice cars. It just means some cars are more fun to drive than others.

That's a great stat. I think the Pats win b/c of Larry Izzo. What are their stats since he took over as captain of the Special teams?

Gotcha. Stats. Just a numbers game. Izzo is a rock solid, 12th year leader, but I wonder if he was considered a bust during his 2nd year in the league. What are the chances? Like I said, people can jump off bridges all they want with ridiculous 'bust' talk about 22 year old, 2nd season players that start for undefeated teams. It only makes them look foolish.

 

[-OZ-]

I want them to have a better record than my Jets... so we can pick McFadden

I highly doubt the Pats will take McFadden. More likely - If 49ers have a top 5 picks: Trade down for more picks, probably get someone like the Ravens, or Panthers to overpay to move up and take the QB of their future. Then they take James Laurinaitis; even if they can't move down, Laurinaitis could be the pick. If the 49ers win out, I'd bet on this pick.

 

[twitch]

I want them to have a better record than my Jets... so we can pick McFadden

I highly doubt the Pats will take McFadden. More likely - If 49ers have a top 5 picks: Trade down for more picks, probably get someone like the Ravens, or Panthers to overpay to move up and take the QB of their future. Then they take James Laurinaitis; even if they can't move down, Laurinaitis could be the pick. If the 49ers win out, I'd bet on this pick.

Gotta love either him or his teammate, Vernon Gholston if he comes out. Id be pretty psyched to add either one of those guys. Gholston has that almost 'unteachable' pass rushing skill. Everyone acknowledges that NE doesnt typically draft LBs early, or at all for that matter. But I never would have thought theyd have brought in Moss or some of the other guys they picked up. Things change.

 

[skillz]

I'm not, although I keep thinking that if the NFL really wanted to punish the Pats it should have taken away NE's highest pick in the first round so that this whole discussion would be moot.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

 

[FF King]

Guess you haven't been following the Pats the last few years -- they don't want the top 1 or 2 pick. SF winning is the best thing that can happen to the Pats pick. Teams do not trade up into the top 2 or 3 spots anymroe due to the money you have to pay. Didn't we learn that last year with Detroit dangling Calvin Johnson out there, but it was just too expensive for other teams -- both in terms of what they had to give up to get the pick and also money to pay Johnson.

Pats were never going to hold onto the pick anyway -- I see an easy swap for say the 5th-7th pick with someone in the 15-25 range to swap picks for that teams 1st next year (similar to what they did with SF last year). Pats get the player that would fit their gameplan and Pats have all the flexibility to then trade out again if their player isn't there -- out of the first again for two second rounders and first in future year (similar to what they did with Buffalo a few years back).

So SF, keep on winning!!!!! Top picks are only good in fantasy!

 

[-OZ-]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Was Carson Palmer a bust? Steve McNair?

Deuce McAllister?

They took Maroney with the 21st pick; AD was #7. Do you expect the same production from both slots? If so, cool, be sure to offer your leaguemates your 1.01 for the 1.12.

 

[twitch]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Stephen Davis. Washington Redskins. First 3 years, 198 total carries, 815 yds and 5 TDs. His next 3 years, 978 total carries, 4155 yds and 33TDs. "Busts" come in all shapes and sizes.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Probably not a huge difference between pick 5 and pick 8 or 9. They'll still get a very good player wherever they pick.

 

[Boston]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

It would still be Randy Moss for Joe Staley which I'm pretty comfortable with. Regardless of how this pick turns out (and I'm willing to bet it turns out pretty well) this deal has worked out great. Getting a top 10 pick after having potentially an undefeated season is just a great example of why the Pats organization has been able to sustain the level they have been at the last seven years.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Was Carson Palmer a bust? Steve McNair?

Deuce McAllister?

They took Maroney with the 21st pick; AD was #7. Do you expect the same production from both slots? If so, cool, be sure to offer your leaguemates your 1.01 for the 1.12.

QB's take years to develop, Maroney has regressed since is rookie year. Journeyman Sammy Morris was outplaying him before he got hurt, as is 30 yo 3rd down back Kevin Faulk. Deuce Mcallister was behind a better RB his rookie year, but check his 2nd year stats, they were a bit better than his rookie year.AD was a 1.1 rookie pick, Maroney was the 1.2, not the 1.12.

Maroney might end up be a good RB, but he is certainly not headed in that direction. Im guessing if the Pats had a takeback, they would use it. Is he a Ryan Leaf type bust? No, but the OP asked who was the Pats last first round bust, and i would say Maroney is closer to being a bust than a great pick.

 

[Sweeper]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Talk about own3d? Everyone still bites on play action despite the fact that the Pats run the ball 5 times a game. He might be a FF bust but he's opening the passing game just enough to give the WR's that extra step.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Stephen Davis. Washington Redskins. First 3 years, 198 total carries, 815 yds and 5 TDs. His next 3 years, 978 total carries, 4155 yds and 33TDs. "Busts" come in all shapes and sizes.

Was Stephen Davis a first round pick that regressed in his 2nd year, and was being outplayed by journeymen RB's?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Talk about own3d? Everyone still bites on play action despite the fact that the Pats run the ball 5 times a game. He might be a FF bust but he's opening the passing game just enough to give the WR's that extra step.

So did Sammy Morris.

 

[Sweeper]

I just don't think you can call 'bust' on a RB who plays on a team that runs 5-7 times a game. It's not the player, it's the system.

 

[Ned]

isn't there a haters thread already?

 

[twitch]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Stephen Davis. Washington Redskins. First 3 years, 198 total carries, 815 yds and 5 TDs. His next 3 years, 978 total carries, 4155 yds and 33TDs. "Busts" come in all shapes and sizes.

Was Stephen Davis a first round pick that regressed in his 2nd year, and was being outplayed by journeymen RB's?

You obviously dont get New England. Maroney hasnt been outplayed by anyone. That other jourenyman youre referring to has been IRed and is done for the year. Is he outplaying anyone now? Maroney is a role player in a record breaking passing offense on an undefeated team. And no player is bigger than the team. But if you want to call playing a role on perfect team regression, you go right ahead. Draft position doest matter with RBs. No insult to Maroney, but he's probably the 5th or 6th best offensive skill player on this team. And he's used accordingly on this team. A team about to set a scoring record. And he's 22. You need to re-evaluate your definition of what a 'bust' is.

 

[massraider]

Maroney ain't chewing up a bunch of cap. Late first rounders never chew up a bunch of cap. And the Pats cap space is fine, and probably will be after they re-sign Moss.

I certainly wolud like to see the 49ers win out. Too bad they couldn't play the gutless Bengals every week until the end of the season.

And on the list of things I am wishing inolving the Pats, that is probably the most harmless.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Stephen Davis. Washington Redskins. First 3 years, 198 total carries, 815 yds and 5 TDs. His next 3 years, 978 total carries, 4155 yds and 33TDs. "Busts" come in all shapes and sizes.

Was Stephen Davis a first round pick that regressed in his 2nd year, and was being outplayed by journeymen RB's?

You obviously dont get New England. Maroney hasnt been outplayed by anyone. That other jourenyman youre referring to has been IRed and is done for the year. Is he outplaying anyone now? Maroney is a role player in a record breaking passing offense on an undefeated team. And no player is bigger than the team. But if you want to call playing a role on perfect team regression, you go right ahead. Draft position doest matter with RBs. No insult to Maroney, but he's probably the 5th or 6th best offensive skill player on this team. And he's used accordingly on this team. A team about to set a scoring record. And he's 22. You need to re-evaluate your definition of what a 'bust' is.

Seems that they could have put that first round pick to better use than on a guy who is less important than Jabar Gafney.Maroney 4.2 YPC

Faulk 4.4 YPC

Morris 4.5 YPC

I can assure you if Maroney was a good/great/durable RB, he would be used more than Morris and Faulk, passing team or not.

 

[-OZ-]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

I take it you're one of his disgruntled owners?Sure, he hasn't done much this year, but he hasn't had to. The Patriots offense doesn't need a RB.

The 2nd year RB, despite missing time and being injured, and the emphasis on the pass, averages 1,000 yards total per 16 games.

Not great, but considering the team's makeup, it ain't a "bust".

We need more time to label him a bust, right now, he's been disappointing this year.

So they used a high pick on someone they dont really use, sounds like a bust to me. I wonder if they drafted AD last year would he be used more than Maroney?

Was Carson Palmer a bust? Steve McNair?

Deuce McAllister?

They took Maroney with the 21st pick; AD was #7. Do you expect the same production from both slots? If so, cool, be sure to offer your leaguemates your 1.01 for the 1.12.

QB's take years to develop, Maroney has regressed since is rookie year. Journeyman Sammy Morris was outplaying him before he got hurt, as is 30 yo 3rd down back Kevin Faulk. Deuce Mcallister was behind a better RB his rookie year, but check his 2nd year stats, they were a bit better than his rookie year.AD was a 1.1 rookie pick, Maroney was the 1.2, not the 1.12.

Maroney might end up be a good RB, but he is certainly not headed in that direction. Im guessing if the Pats had a takeback, they would use it. Is he a Ryan Leaf type bust? No, but the OP asked who was the Pats last first round bust, and i would say Maroney is closer to being a bust than a great pick.

Changing arguments? Teams don't always use their players as we would like. They often don't need to. Right now, the Patriots can do whatever they want, and now, that is to throw. Much like the Bengals and Oilers could wait on their QBs and the Saints could wait on Deuce. He's regressed? His Y/A is 0.1 lower, I suppose that qualifies.

Maroney went 1.04 in as many leagues as he went 1.02 in, but that isn't the point. Simply put, we expect less from lower picks. Seems simple enough. But, let's go with your 1.01/1.02, would you trade the 1.01 for 1.02? I assume not, because you'd expect less production from the player you tab 1.02.

I asked the question and Maroney does not answer it. Not every pick has to either be a "great pick" or a "bust", many are just solid / ok / average. Right now, the jury is in deliberations, but Maroney is not a "bust" - yet, anyway.

ETA: as I read this, I'm realizing I look like a Maroney apologist / fan. Not so; he's one of the RBs I did not like heading into that draft, preferring DeAngelo Williams to him (now there's an apparent bust ).

 

[Ghost Rider]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Nahhh. He's still got 3 years left on his contract, so he'll have plenty of chances to produce. But the Pats are 25-4 with Maroney as a RB, so its tough to say anyone on that team is a bust. But if you have several really nice cars in your garage, and you choose to keep some of them in the garage without driving them much, it doesnt mean the others arent nice cars. It just means some cars are more fun to drive than others.

Maroney is 38th in the NFL right now in rushing. He has almost nothing to do with the success of the Patriots this season.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Guess its a bit early to call anyone a full out bust right now, but really, has Maroney done anything to make the Patriots a better team this year? I would assume they could have gotten something they needed more with players that where taken after him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft#Round_two

 

[twitch]

Regardless of where San Fran finally finishes it's going to be a pick that will put this deal in the steal category. If it's not #2 it's going to still be top 10 at worse. I think BB/Pioli can live with that pick and Randy Moss for the #28 pick last year.

It's not going to be a steal if the player busts and chews up a lot of cap.

When is the last time the Patriots had a top pick bust?

Maroney

Nahhh. He's still got 3 years left on his contract, so he'll have plenty of chances to produce. But the Pats are 25-4 with Maroney as a RB, so its tough to say anyone on that team is a bust. But if you have several really nice cars in your garage, and you choose to keep some of them in the garage without driving them much, it doesnt mean the others arent nice cars. It just means some cars are more fun to drive than others.

Maroney is 38th in the NFL right now in rushing. He has almost nothing to do with the success of the Patriots this season.

This Patriots season is far from over. Im my eyes, the real season hasnt even started. And Ive been saying since the Dallas game when Sammy Morris went down, that NE was going to limit Maroney's role to keep him healthy for the playoffs. It doesnt matter to anyone but disspointed Maroney fantasy owners that he hasnt contributed much. The guy's playing RB on a team where the QB has 45 TD passes. His individual success is almost irrelevant to this point. Theyre still yet to lose.

 

[twitch]

Guess its a bit early to call anyone a full out bust right now, but really, has Maroney done anything to make the Patriots a better team this year? I would assume they could have gotten something they needed more with players that where taken after him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft#Round_two

Is that hindsight limited to the Patriots? Keep it clean.

 

[Boston]

Maroney isn't a bust...but right now he's not a good pick either. The jury is still out on him but right now I'd call him a decent RB who hasn't lived up to his draft status. Hopefully that will change as there's little doubt he has talent yet right now it's not translating to consistent play. Looking outside at the weather today would be a great day for Maroney to start proving he could be a big time back.

 

[GregR_2]

hate will destroy you.

Weak-minded Jedi. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you. Give in to your anger.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maroney ain't chewing up a bunch of cap. Late first rounders never chew up a bunch of cap. And the Pats cap space is fine, and probably will be after they re-sign Moss.I certainly wolud like to see the 49ers win out. Too bad they couldn't play the gutless Bengals every week until the end of the season.And on the list of things I am wishing inolving the Pats, that is probably the most harmless.

I'm not sure I agree that the Pats are "fine" with regard to the salary cap. At last check, they are projected to be $10-11 million under the cap for 2008 (even accounting for a $116M salary cap). But that does not include anything for Moss, Samuel, or the Top 10 draft pick from 2008. IMO, the Pats wish they had locked up Asante last year and will try to re-sign him this year, but he cannot be franchised again (per an agreement between he and the team) and I doubt they can afford to pay him what he wants.That number also does not count anything for any of the following, all of whom will be some sort of free agent next year . . .Eric Alexander, LB, Kyle Eckel, FB , Gemara Williams, Mike Wright, DT, Chad Brown, LB , Tedy Bruschi, LB , Jabar Gaffney, WR , Randall Gay, CB , Larry Izzo, LB , Mel Mitchell, S , Lonie Paxton, LS , Junior Seau, LB , Chad Scott, CB , Eugene Wilson, S As for the Pats first round pick. I would be out and out SHOCKED if they took a LB with a Top 10 pick. I have heard countless times from player personnel people and BB himself that the team's philosophy on LB does not support taking an early round LB. They prefer hybrid guys that are not great size at DE to play at LB and are too big to play LB for most teams. THey also like seasoned players at LB, all of which makes them taking a LB early very unlikely IMO.