Anyone else targeting LJ this week? (1 Viewer)

[Fanatics]

The guy in my league that owned LJ offered him to me straight-up for Sammy Morris. Now I have the same concerns as everyone else o-line problems, terrible offense, QB concerns, hell I even have the feeling that LJ has no motivation because the contract is now done...but I can not pass this up, so I accepted it. Who knows, Sammy Morris might just be as good or better than LJ.

As for allowing these types of trades to happen in your league only makes it a weak league: I am under the impression that owners pay for their teams, they should be allowed to run them as they see fit. Yes you must step in when their is evidence of collusion but other than that, let owners have fun.

 

[Payne]

The guy in my league that owned LJ offered him to me straight-up for Sammy Morris. Now I have the same concerns as everyone else o-line problems, terrible offense, QB concerns, hell I even have the feeling that LJ has no motivation because the contract is now done...but I can not pass this up, so I accepted it. Who knows, Sammy Morris might just be as good or better than LJ.As for allowing these types of trades to happen in your league only makes it a weak league: I am under the impression that owners pay for their teams, they should be allowed to run them as they see fit. Yes you must step in when their is evidence of collusion but other than that, let owners have fun.

Did you hold a gun to his head while he made the offer to you?Seriously, that is a no brainer to me.

 

[Happy Gilmore]

Just traded Rudi Johnson, Kenny Watson, and Derrick Ward for LJ. We will see if this works out.

Edited to add: Derrick Ward

 

[NatronIsMean]

How's his remaining schedule?

SOFT

Convince me the rest of LJ's schedule is soft. I just took a peek and it doesn't look all that soft to me.From what I see the only certain soft game is Detroit in week 16. But again,...I come here asking to be convinced because I have Portis and would be willing to roll the dice on LJ.

Here's LJ's schedule against the run (rankings):06: CIN - #2007: @OAK - #2008: BYE09: GB - #1210: DEN - #2811: @IND - #1612: OAK - #2013: SD - #614: @DEN - #2815: TEN - 716: @DET - #31Aside from GB, SD, and TEN (all at home), there are no defenses anywhere near the top 10 against the rush. We'll see how it shakes out, but that looks pretty good to me.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I Gave up P. Crayton to get LJ...........

HAHAHA! Wonder if I won that one.

 

[thehornet]

The guy in my league that owned LJ offered him to me straight-up for Sammy Morris. Now I have the same concerns as everyone else o-line problems, terrible offense, QB concerns, hell I even have the feeling that LJ has no motivation because the contract is now done...but I can not pass this up, so I accepted it. Who knows, Sammy Morris might just be as good or better than LJ.As for allowing these types of trades to happen in your league only makes it a weak league: I am under the impression that owners pay for their teams, they should be allowed to run them as they see fit. Yes you must step in when their is evidence of collusion but other than that, let owners have fun.

Did you hold a gun to his head while he made the offer to you?Seriously, that is a no brainer to me.

I never veto trades but i would veto that one. Just a horribly lopsided trade.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm not convinced it's the Shark-like thing to do. His O-line is GARBAGE! The passing game is GARBAGE! all teams have to do is worry about stopping LJ, and so far, they have.

How is this different from last season?

 

[smcindoe]

I'm not convinced it's the Shark-like thing to do. His O-line is GARBAGE! The passing game is GARBAGE! all teams have to do is worry about stopping LJ, and so far, they have.

How is this different from last season?

Yes, but was he terrible at the start of last season?(What? He was? Hmmm....)

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm not convinced it's the Shark-like thing to do. His O-line is GARBAGE! The passing game is GARBAGE! all teams have to do is worry about stopping LJ, and so far, they have.

How is this different from last season?

Yes, but was he terrible at the start of last season?(What? He was? Hmmm....)

 

[Franknbeans]

Another food for though on LJ...

327-275 = 52....that is the how many fewer yards LJ has this year compared to last year after 5 games...

Combined with the fact that he knows he's a notoriously slow starter means get him any way you can.

 

[texasheat]

Ok then, would you trade TO for him? ppr

 

[sirpurr]

I have offered Plaxico, Rudi, and LaMont for LJ. I hope it sounds like alot to LJ owner.

I still have Portis,MJD,Kevin Jones,and Graham.

we will see........

 

[Doxology]

I have offered Plaxico, Rudi, and LaMont for LJ. I hope it sounds like alot to LJ owner.I still have Portis,MJD,Kevin Jones,and Graham.we will see........

Holy crap that seems like a lot to give up. You must think Rudi and Jordan will remain hurt and be liabilities the rest of the season, I take it?

 

[thehornet]

I have offered Plaxico, Rudi, and LaMont for LJ. I hope it sounds like alot to LJ owner.I still have Portis,MJD,Kevin Jones,and Graham.we will see........

it sounds like a lot because it IS a lot.

 

[Payne]

I have offered Plaxico, Rudi, and LaMont for LJ. I hope it sounds like alot to LJ owner.I still have Portis,MJD,Kevin Jones,and Graham.we will see........

I offered Rudi and was denied prior to the injury. I ended up parting with Portis.

 

[kentric]

I traded Ronnie Brown for him two weeks ago.

 

[wudaben]

LJ owner here lucky enough to be sitting at 4-1 but last week's miserable performance did cost me my one loss. I was offered Gore for Cotchery & LJ today which was tempting but Gore is really in the same boat as LJ and I've already weathered the storm hopefully so I'm going to sit tight. Might have been more tempting had Cotchery not been included but I'm already down Javon Walker and Santana Moss so cannot afford to loose Cotch.

 

[Payne]

LJ owner here lucky enough to be sitting at 4-1 but last week's miserable performance did cost me my one loss. I was offered Gore for Cotchery & LJ today which was tempting but Gore is really in the same boat as LJ and I've already weathered the storm hopefully so I'm going to sit tight. Might have been more tempting had Cotchery not been included but I'm already down Javon Walker and Santana Moss so cannot afford to loose Cotch.

So why not counter Gore for LJ straight up?

 

[Bakes99]

Was offered SA for LJ straight up. Not sure which I'd rather have at this point.

 

[thecardiackid]

Lots of low ball offers in here. I hope that you're not in leagues weak enough that would allow owners to pull those kind of trades. LJ is a top 5 back from here on out.

Doubt that. Sure the schedule eases up a little, but LJ has NO scores and went for 15 COMBINED yards last week AT HOME.

He's currently RB22 with only 25 more yards than Kenton *CFL* Keith - for the season. KC's line SUCKS, and aside from the SD game, the QB play has been horrible. He's the non-injured bust of the first round @ this point - hence the less than market offers - b/c his market value is well below his ADP. It's a moving target - and his target has been falling since the hold out.

I'm looking @ trading for him, but wouldn't offer up someone like FWP. He'd be swapping @ my RB2/3 so I can afford the risk that he'll continue to play below expectations. Just b/c his schedule gets 'easier' going forward, doesn't mean his value is now pre-draft ADP.

:endofrant:

Offering:

Give - Portis + Chambers

for

Get - LJ + Bowe

 

[LawFitz]

I'm offering Bush for him and I'm not too sure I want to do it.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Offered Leonard/SJax for him.

Not entirely convinced he's going to set the world ablaze over the rest of the season, but I'm willing to roll the dice at that price.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Adding this just so others may use to judge value:

Two weeks ago traded:

League 1: 12 team .5pt rec for rb/1 ppr wr/TE

Lineup reqs- 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1FLEX, 1K, 1D

I gave: Portis and J. Campbell

I got: LJ and Hasselbach

Then this yesterday I traded:

League 2: 12 team no ppr for RB/ .5 ppr WR/TE

I gave: A. Green and Steve Smith

I got: LJ and B. Berrian

 

[yinzer]

LJ owner here lucky enough to be sitting at 4-1 but last week's miserable performance did cost me my one loss. I was offered Gore for Cotchery & LJ today which was tempting but Gore is really in the same boat as LJ and I've already weathered the storm hopefully so I'm going to sit tight. Might have been more tempting had Cotchery not been included but I'm already down Javon Walker and Santana Moss so cannot afford to loose Cotch.

Im in somewhat of the same boat. Im 4-1 and didn't really want to start LJ last week, but was unsure how many touches Jacobs would get. LJ screwed me once again, but Im content keeping him for the long haul, whether the numbers start to look familiar or he continues at this FB type pace..anyone else scared of starting him this week?!? I like the matchup, but I dont think he's showed me enough to plug him in. I have 2 of 3 WRs on a bye and can't afford another goosegg from LJ. I think Im sitting him for better options and

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

FWIW:

October 10, 2007, 15:58Chiefs :: QBQB Huard Looks Good As He Tests ShoulderRandy Covitz, Kansas City Star - [Full Article]Kansas City Chiefs QB Damon Huard, whose status for Sunday's game against Cincinnati has been in question because of a bruised right shoulder, took part in individual passing drills on Wednesday. Huard alternated with backup Brodie Croyle in working with both the first and second units and did not appear limited in any of his throws, nor did he appear to to be in any pain stemming from a shoulder bruise sustained against the Jaguars. Huard was in full pads, but it was not certain how much throwing he did in full team work. Reporters are not allowed to watch that portion of practice.

 

[thehornet]

Huard is scheduled to start Week 6. It's on Rotoworld.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I'm not convinced it's the Shark-like thing to do. His O-line is GARBAGE! The passing game is GARBAGE! all teams have to do is worry about stopping LJ, and so far, they have.

How is this different from last season?

HOF-bound guard Mark Shields retired...

 

[facook]

Traded him straight up to a Saints homer for Reggie Bush.

In our league they have the same # of fantasy points...at first I was pretty stoked about the trade. Now I'm thinking it'll be a push.

 

[mobraten]

I swung a deal where I got Peyton Manning at QB (giving up Eli, Branch b4 he was hurt, Holmes, Urlacher, and Gostowski to an 0-4 team) -- at same time I did a straight up Romo for Larry trade. I'm feeling pretty good about the end result (Peyton and Larry join Addai, Wayne, Harrison, and Clark on my all-Indy lineup). Plus I still got S. Moss and Burress fighting for the final starting spot. I'm 4-1 now -- and think if Larry turns it around will be unstoppable.

 

[Chaka]

I'm not convinced it's the Shark-like thing to do. His O-line is GARBAGE! The passing game is GARBAGE! all teams have to do is worry about stopping LJ, and so far, they have.

How is this different from last season?

HOF-bound guard Mark Shields retired...

Will Shields brother is going to the Hall of Fame too?

 

[Kub]

In a 14 team league, I was just offered Portis & ADP for LJ & Bulger. Bulger means nothing as I just picked him up to potentially cover Brady's bye week.

I am going to jump on it, but I am trying to acquire a WR for one of my backup RBs(Fred Taylor) before I approve the deal. I get the feeling if make the LJ trade before I exhaust those negotiations I will give up a possible position of strength in those talks.

As much as I believe that LJ will turn it around this year, I think Peterson and Portis is too much talent to pass up. An added bonus is that I play this owner in week 8 during LJs bye.

 

[Bannedman]

Would any LJ owner think that an offer of Gates/Rhodes is an insult?

 

[talbott]

I'm not convinced it's the Shark-like thing to do. His O-line is GARBAGE! The passing game is GARBAGE! all teams have to do is worry about stopping LJ, and so far, they have.

How is this different from last season?

Yes, but was he terrible at the start of last season?(What? He was? Hmmm....)

Perhaps I'm missing something, but LJ had at least 140 total yards in each of his first four games last season...he also had three touchdowns. Admittedly, his YPC was pretty poor at the time, but he was certainly producing from a fantasy perspective. He's nowhere near those numbers right now.

 

[GoNads]

Today, I traded:

Steve Smith, Marshawn Lynch and Jay Cutler

for

LJ, J Walker, (and Viniateri to make an even 3 for 3)

 

[talbott]

Would any LJ owner think that an offer of Gates/Rhodes is an insult?

Not an LJ owner, but given the way Gates is playing, I don't think that's an outrageous offer, particularly in mandatory TE leagues.

 

[sentr]

RB on my roster:

Steven Jackson, Ahman Green, Cedric Benson, Kevin Jones, Brian Leonard

I have suffered long enough with injuries so I traded Holt straight up for LJ today.

A few hours later, traded Cedric Benson for Reggie Wayne

In essence:

I lost Holt and gained Wayne

I lost Benson and gained LJ

Hoping for the best from here on out.......

 

[Festivus]

I just traded away portis to get lj.

 

[tkrull]

LJ owner here lucky enough to be sitting at 4-1 but last week's miserable performance did cost me my one loss. I was offered Gore for Cotchery & LJ today which was tempting but Gore is really in the same boat as LJ and I've already weathered the storm hopefully so I'm going to sit tight. Might have been more tempting had Cotchery not been included but I'm already down Javon Walker and Santana Moss so cannot afford to loose Cotch.

Im in somewhat of the same boat. Im 4-1 and didn't really want to start LJ last week, but was unsure how many touches Jacobs would get. LJ screwed me once again, but Im content keeping him for the long haul, whether the numbers start to look familiar or he continues at this FB type pace..anyone else scared of starting him this week?!? I like the matchup, but I dont think he's showed me enough to plug him in. I have 2 of 3 WRs on a bye and can't afford another goosegg from LJ. I think Im sitting him for better options and

If you've been playing him the first 5 weeks, you have to start him at home against the Bengals. I'd rather take the goose-egg and lose than see him blow-up on my bench and still lose.

 

[tkrull]

Would any LJ owner think that an offer of Gates/Rhodes is an insult?

Guess it depends how weak they are at TE, but it's not really very exciting.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Just offered the Henry/Young combo for LJ. Sort of a "my headache for yours" deal. I doubt it's accepted, but worth a shot.

Funny you tried this....I was gonna try the same thing.Let us know what they said.

 

[Bannedman]

Would any LJ owner think that an offer of Gates/Rhodes is an insult?

Guess it depends how weak they are at TE, but it's not really very exciting.

Well its a mandatory TE league...he is 0-5 and his starting TE is Jeff King, Carolina. Given the guys situation, I think its a decent offer, no?

 

[red]

just pulled the trigger:

schaub + JJ plus first rounders in 2008 and 2009

for

brady + LJ and compensatory draft picks in 2008 and 2009

i'm happy...play to win NOW.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

"If" you had:

Gore

Portis

MJD

Jordan

Betts

K Jones

and

B Edwards

Fitz

Walker

Would "you" offer the LJ squad:

Walker/Portis for LJ?? Edwards/Portis??

Start 2/2 plus a flex. Savvy LJ owner etc etc...Hypothetically speaking of course....

 

[The Man with the Plan]

"If" you had:Gore PortisMJDJordanBettsK Jonesand B EdwardsFitzWalkerWould "you" offer the LJ squad:Walker/Portis for LJ?? Edwards/Portis??Start 2/2 plus a flex. Savvy LJ owner etc etc...Hypothetically speaking of course....

Of course. First deal no. Second deal hell no. People keep trying to latch onto the past. Face it LJ is a bust. How many weeks do people need to see him suck before they're finally convinced? Once he falters against the Bengals then maybe people will quiet down. Or they'll probably find some other excuse for why he'll suddenly turn on the switch.

 

[Fanatics]

The guy in my league that owned LJ offered him to me straight-up for Sammy Morris. Now I have the same concerns as everyone else o-line problems, terrible offense, QB concerns, hell I even have the feeling that LJ has no motivation because the contract is now done...but I can not pass this up, so I accepted it. Who knows, Sammy Morris might just be as good or better than LJ.As for allowing these types of trades to happen in your league only makes it a weak league: I am under the impression that owners pay for their teams, they should be allowed to run them as they see fit. Yes you must step in when their is evidence of collusion but other than that, let owners have fun.

Did you hold a gun to his head while he made the offer to you?Seriously, that is a no brainer to me.

I never veto trades but i would veto that one. Just a horribly lopsided trade.

This is the problem with most leagues, everyone is after their own benefit and it is more of a jealousy thing that they were not involved in the trade. If you look up the numbers, you will see right now LJ is the lower player in this deal. Not everyone is stuck on the "stud" factor, so they play FF for the now and could care a less what they did years past. You have those owners that have over-reactions to bad weeks/good weeks, that is what we prey on. I would not call them "Sharks" and I am very confident that they are not part of this forum, which is filled with an abundance of very intelligent Fantasy Ballers.How high did Favre go in your draft this year, I'm sure it was much lower than he was drafted 5-7 years ago. Every year we have "studs" selected in the 1st/2nd Round and they just never reach that level, the following year they are drafted much lower and who wins championships with them? The people on this board. Buy Low/Sell High was followed here but no collusion, so no veto.I would like to ask you why you would veto this trade but I already know your answer so I'll refrain, I just hope we do not pass into the same league anywhere down the line because gut-reactions like this usually ruin leagues.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

I just traded away portis to get lj.

No offense, and I definitely could be wrong but I would take Portis in a heartbeat.

 

[BigRed]

I Gave up P. Crayton to get LJ...........HAHAHA! Wonder if I won that one.

Me too. The jury is definitely out.Course that's nothing like the trade ideas like FWP or MB3 for LJ. wtf - some of these trade ideas/offers are unreal. LJ has totally and unbelievably sucked all but one game and has yet to score a single TD. That isn't all a "tough schedule." He is sucking, his team is sucking.........I'd trade him for a pretzel but nobody's biting. lol @ "top 5 back from here on out." He/his team is so pathetic I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he has yet another pathetic game.

Another food for though on LJ...327-275 = 52....that is the how many fewer yards LJ has this year compared to last year after 5 games... Combined with the fact that he knows he's a notoriously slow starter means get him any way you can.

How's the TD comparison looking?

 

[valence]

Just dealt Bush straight up for LJ. Wanted to try a WR (Braylon Edwards) but the guy is loaded at WR already.

 

[swirvenirvin]

Lots of low ball offers in here. I hope that you're not in leagues weak enough that would allow owners to pull those kind of trades. LJ is a top 5 back from here on out.

Sure he is keep telling yourself that. The fact is it is not 2005 or 2006, it's 2007 and he has done NOTHING to show he is a top 5 back. I dont car about how hard his schedule was and how easy it is going to get, he is not anywhere near a top 5 back.

 

[thehornet]

The guy in my league that owned LJ offered him to me straight-up for Sammy Morris. Now I have the same concerns as everyone else o-line problems, terrible offense, QB concerns, hell I even have the feeling that LJ has no motivation because the contract is now done...but I can not pass this up, so I accepted it. Who knows, Sammy Morris might just be as good or better than LJ.

As for allowing these types of trades to happen in your league only makes it a weak league: I am under the impression that owners pay for their teams, they should be allowed to run them as they see fit. Yes you must step in when their is evidence of collusion but other than that, let owners have fun.

Did you hold a gun to his head while he made the offer to you?Seriously, that is a no brainer to me.

I never veto trades but i would veto that one. Just a horribly lopsided trade.

This is the problem with most leagues, everyone is after their own benefit and it is more of a jealousy thing that they were not involved in the trade. If you look up the numbers, you will see right now LJ is the lower player in this deal. Not everyone is stuck on the "stud" factor, so they play FF for the now and could care a less what they did years past. You have those owners that have over-reactions to bad weeks/good weeks, that is what we prey on. I would not call them "Sharks" and I am very confident that they are not part of this forum, which is filled with an abundance of very intelligent Fantasy Ballers.

How high did Favre go in your draft this year, I'm sure it was much lower than he was drafted 5-7 years ago. Every year we have "studs" selected in the 1st/2nd Round and they just never reach that level, the following year they are drafted much lower and who wins championships with them? The people on this board. Buy Low/Sell High was followed here but no collusion, so no veto.

I would like to ask you why you would veto this trade but I already know your answer so I'll refrain, I just hope we do not pass into the same league anywhere down the line because gut-reactions like this usually ruin leagues.

First of all, it's not a gut reaction. Trading one of the best pure poweer running backs in football for a change of pace back is senseless and in my opinion downright embarassing. You said it yourself best in the post above, "You have those owners that have over-reactions to bad weeks/good weeks." The person who traded Sammy Morris for LJ totally ripped off the LJ owner and this type of thing should be monitered, if only for the sake of protecting the intregrity of the league. Secondly, you are using Favre as an example, but the resoning is completely flawed. Favre has not been a stud the past few years, whereas LJ has been a monster. He went first in some drafts last year for crying out loud! Also, QB's aren't valued like RB's are and they generally go later in drafts. Therefore, i would suggest that it was good drafting to get Favre late, and his value should be set as so. QB's tend to shakeout during the year and their value becomes increasingly more obvious once you see the quality of the team they play on. Nobody thought GreenBay was going to be any good, but since they are, Brett's value has also improved. Question - Would you like to see Favre traded for LJ in your league? Don't even say yes.

LJ for Sammy Morris!! I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes typing an argument to refute your silly comments.