Anyone ever have a "reverse" snake draft? (2 Viewers)

[mhrutkowski]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round.

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

 

[Tbone]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round. Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

haven't used this in a while, but....

 

[Doug Drinen]

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

IMO the fact that you're not pleased is an admission that the people at the top of the draft (i.e. you) have an advantage.

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

Sounds to me like its not actually a "reverse" draft. If you knew this was how it worked going into it, then basically you want to draw number 12, instead of number 1. You drew a 2, which is the same as drawing an 11 in a "normal" league.

If you knew about the "reverse" aspect before the drawing, then I think two things should be noted.

a) You should realize that you didn't actually draw "2".

b) What's the friggin point?!

 

[mhrutkowski]

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

IMO the fact that you're not pleased is an admission that the people at the top of the draft (i.e. you) have an advantage.

There is no doubt that it affects me adversely. And there is no doubt that those at the end of the round enjoy this rule. The issue is whether it is fair or not.Has anyone seen this before? If not, I might assume this is over-managing a league. Is picking in the top of the draft that much of an advantage?

 

[Defending Champs]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round. Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

haven't used this in a while, but....

I'm not the brightest. What does the icon of pointing at the t-shirt mean?

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round.

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

haven't used this in a while, but....

I'm not the brightest. What does the icon of pointing at the t-shirt mean?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=120951Check #10

 

[mhrutkowski]

Sounds to me like its not actually a "reverse" draft. If you knew this was how it worked going into it, then basically you want to draw number 12, instead of number 1. You drew a 2, which is the same as drawing an 11 in a "normal" league.If you knew about the "reverse" aspect before the drawing, then I think two things should be noted.a) You should realize that you didn't actually draw "2".b) What's the friggin point?!

I apologize if I wasn't clear. I have #2 overall.Rounds 1-6 exist as a normal snake draftBeginning of Round 7, the draft order is flipped for the rest of the draft

 

[Defending Champs]

Perfect, thanks.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Seriously, suck it up. The drafter makes the draft, not the slot. My league does a variation of a double serpentine with the same aim of evening out the value of draft slots. People were very happy once we made this switch. Deal with it.

 

[cosmonaut]

Sounds to me like its not actually a "reverse" draft. If you knew this was how it worked going into it, then basically you want to draw number 12, instead of number 1. You drew a 2, which is the same as drawing an 11 in a "normal" league.If you knew about the "reverse" aspect before the drawing, then I think two things should be noted.a) You should realize that you didn't actually draw "2".b) What's the friggin point?!

I apologize if I wasn't clear. I have #2 overall.Rounds 1-6 exist as a normal snake draftBeginning of Round 7, the draft order is flipped for the rest of the draft

So the price for drafting LT2 is dropping down 8 spots in the 7th round? C'mon. We don't start our snake until Rd 3 in our keeper league so the champ gets to pick last in the first 3 rounds.

 

[Doug Drinen]

There is no doubt that it affects me adversely. And there is no doubt that those at the end of the round enjoy this rule. The issue is whether it is fair or not.Has anyone seen this before? If not, I might assume this is over-managing a league. Is picking in the top of the draft that much of an advantage?

My point is: if dropping down from #2 to #11 in the 7th round affects you adversely, then you (at #2) must have an advantage of the guy at #11 in the first round. Which would you rather have: an advantage in the first round, or an advantage in the 7th round?If it's not fair, then your own argument points to you as being the beneficiary.

 

[mhrutkowski]

Seriously, suck it up. The drafter makes the draft, not the slot. My league does a variation of a double serpentine with the same aim of evening out the value of draft slots. People were very happy once we made this switch. Deal with it.

If the drafter makes the draft and not the slot, why are people messing with the slots?Also, suck it up? I'm not using it as an excuse, I just don't think it's right.

 

[mhrutkowski]

There is no doubt that it affects me adversely. And there is no doubt that those at the end of the round enjoy this rule. The issue is whether it is fair or not.Has anyone seen this before? If not, I might assume this is over-managing a league. Is picking in the top of the draft that much of an advantage?

My point is: if dropping down from #2 to #11 in the 7th round affects you adversely, then you (at #2) must have an advantage of the guy at #11 in the first round. Which would you rather have: an advantage in the first round, or an advantage in the 7th round?If it's not fair, then your own argument points to you as being the beneficiary.

Ok, what about round 2? Is there sufficient evidence to show that picking high in the first with a snake draft usually gives you a clear advantage?

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

Seriously, suck it up. The drafter makes the draft, not the slot. My league does a variation of a double serpentine with the same aim of evening out the value of draft slots. People were very happy once we made this switch. Deal with it.

If the drafter makes the draft and not the slot, why are people messing with the slots?Also, suck it up? I'm not using it as an excuse, I just don't think it's right.

Quit

 

[mhrutkowski]

Seriously, suck it up. The drafter makes the draft, not the slot. My league does a variation of a double serpentine with the same aim of evening out the value of draft slots. People were very happy once we made this switch. Deal with it.

If the drafter makes the draft and not the slot, why are people messing with the slots?Also, suck it up? I'm not using it as an excuse, I just don't think it's right.

Quit

That doesn't really make sense

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Seriously, suck it up. The drafter makes the draft, not the slot. My league does a variation of a double serpentine with the same aim of evening out the value of draft slots. People were very happy once we made this switch. Deal with it.

If the drafter makes the draft and not the slot, why are people messing with the slots?Also, suck it up? I'm not using it as an excuse, I just don't think it's right.

Not that big a deal. Instead of a low pick in rounds 7,9,11 etc., you have a low pick in rounds 8,10,12, etc.It shouldn't be a dealbreaker.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Someone do the math using the pick calculator.

I bet this just makes it a bit closer to equal.

 

[Capt Hook]

It's used all the time by lots of leagues to equalize the picks. In fact many leagues make the switch earlier and then flip it a couple of times. It's your leagues attempt to be fairer to more teams, so just deal with it and drop the questions or complaints (that is what you are doing whether you admit it or not).

 

[whoisjohngalt]

Someone do the math using the pick calculator.I bet this just makes it a bit closer to equal.

That's exactly what it does. It's still significantly better to go first than last, but the benefit is now a little smaller.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

Someone do the math using the pick calculator.I bet this just makes it a bit closer to equal.

Through 12 rounds: pick two serpentine = 5.1% better than pick eleven serpentine (6,290.5 vs 5,987.8)pick two adjst_serp = 3.8% better than pick eleven adjst_serp (6,253.3 vs 6,025.0)adjst_serp = what mhrutkowski described above

 

[mhrutkowski]

Someone do the math using the pick calculator.I bet this just makes it a bit closer to equal.

Through 12 rounds: pick two serpentine = 5.1% better than pick eleven serpentine (6,290.5 vs 5,987.8)pick two adjst_serp = 3.8% better than pick eleven adjst_serp (6,253.3 vs 6,025.0)adjst_serp = what mhrutkowski described above

Thanks you for the substantive answer

 

[Cixelsyd]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round. Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

so what exactly is the point? You don't like it and you need a shoulder to cry on? If those are the rules, those are the rules... overall, it's a minor mod... Put it this way... are you willing to trade your #2 spot to the #11 spot before the draft?Put the hanky away, man up, and manage your team... there is no crying in football unless your name is #### Vermeil.And with the multitude of drafts, leagues, players, comish's... nothing is surprising anymore.

 

[kevthegrad]

HA! And here I was thinking you were talking about drinking games with chicks like this:

http://theteenranch.proboards46.com/index....read=1152986745

Not only have I not heard of your draft description, but it made my frontal lobe bleed.

I'm in a TD only league with 13 teams each year and it goes 1 - 13 and then back down to 1 in reverse order. We have pick 13 this year, which sounds bad but it's not because you get to pick back to back all the time. It is how we landed McNabb and Owens 2 yrs ago. You're ####ed in that all the studd RB's are gone by the time you go 13 and 14...so we normally put a lot of eggs in the basket of having a really good QB and WR1 combo.

 

[mhrutkowski]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round. Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

so what exactly is the point? You don't like it and you need a shoulder to cry on? If those are the rules, those are the rules... overall, it's a minor mod... Put it this way... are you willing to trade your #2 spot to the #11 spot before the draft?Put the hanky away, man up, and manage your team... there is no crying in football unless your name is #### Vermeil.And with the multitude of drafts, leagues, players, comish's... nothing is surprising anymore.

I cried? link?I was asking for information on whether or not this practice was fair. I was complaining because I have a high pick, but that was a side issue and last year I had a low pick and still wondered whether it was the right thing to do or not.Also, it's pretty easy to see what my point was. Did I or did I not ask: "Has anyone ever heard of this?" I wanted to see if this was a normal practice.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

A way to make it even more fair:

rounds 01-02 serpentine

rounds 03-04 reverse serpentine

rounds 05-06 serpentine

rounds 07-08 reverse serpentine

rounds 09-10 serpentine

rounds 11-12 reverse serpentine

pick two = 6,222.7 (2.8% better)

pick eleven = 6,055.7

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And yet more fairer than that is (the most fair you can get without needing to be a math genius like me to follow along):

rounds 01-02 serpentine

rounds 03-12 reverse serpentine

pick two = 6,199.6 (2.0% better)

pick eleven = 6,078.7

 

[Cixelsyd]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round.

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

so what exactly is the point? You don't like it and you need a shoulder to cry on? If those are the rules, those are the rules... overall, it's a minor mod... Put it this way... are you willing to trade your #2 spot to the #11 spot before the draft?

Put the hanky away, man up, and manage your team... there is no crying in football unless your name is #### Vermeil.

And with the multitude of drafts, leagues, players, comish's... nothing is surprising anymore.

I cried? link?I was asking for information on whether or not this practice was fair. I was complaining because I have a high pick, but that was a side issue and last year I had a low pick and still wondered whether it was the right thing to do or not.

Also, it's pretty easy to see what my point was. Did I or did I not ask: "Has anyone ever heard of this?" I wanted to see if this was a normal practice.

Link where you criedThere's your link... cry, complaining... however you want to word it, you bellied up to the Football Guys bar, ordered your shirley temple and then you.... lets use "whined" about your draft situation.

Again... what does it matter if anyone heard of it... Some people draw for each round... some people "reverse it' after 2 round... after 6 rounds... you do it after 7...

Whats more revealing is in your response to me you mention it isn't the first year of this... so why is this such a big deal for you... it's at least your second year...

Now, if this was a cool format... and you wanted to share it to with everyone, then I'm cool with that.... but you are obviously bitter... which is crazy cause you are the 2nd pick...

Good luck man

 

[whoisjohngalt]

PS - I reverse engineered the FBG formula so that I could put it in my spreadsheet with a lookup table instead of having to use the tool here (one that I find to be quite clumsy).

 

[Cixelsyd]

A way to make it even more fair: rounds 01-02 serpentinerounds 03-04 reverse serpentinerounds 05-06 serpentinerounds 07-08 reverse serpentinerounds 09-10 serpentinerounds 11-12 reverse serpentinepick two = 6,222.7 (2.8% better)pick eleven = 6,055.7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~And yet more fairer than that is (the most fair you can get without needing to be a math genius like me to follow along): rounds 01-02 serpentinerounds 03-12 reverse serpentinepick two = 6,199.6 (2.0% better)pick eleven = 6,078.7

now, this factors in that the person picking in each spot would pick the correspoinding player that should be drafted in that spot? because some folks... doesn't matter what the format... it's just isn't fair for them... I know one guy... he could have had the first 3 picks in the draft and would mess it up...cool stuff and way too much love for math man...

 

[Cixelsyd]

PS - I reverse engineered the FBG formula so that I could put it in my spreadsheet with a lookup table instead of having to use the tool here (one that I find to be quite clumsy).

whoa... weren't you in that movie paycheck? Don't they have to wipe your memory after you reverse engineer something???

 

[mhrutkowski]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round.

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

so what exactly is the point? You don't like it and you need a shoulder to cry on? If those are the rules, those are the rules... overall, it's a minor mod... Put it this way... are you willing to trade your #2 spot to the #11 spot before the draft?

Put the hanky away, man up, and manage your team... there is no crying in football unless your name is #### Vermeil.

And with the multitude of drafts, leagues, players, comish's... nothing is surprising anymore.

I cried? link?I was asking for information on whether or not this practice was fair. I was complaining because I have a high pick, but that was a side issue and last year I had a low pick and still wondered whether it was the right thing to do or not.

Also, it's pretty easy to see what my point was. Did I or did I not ask: "Has anyone ever heard of this?" I wanted to see if this was a normal practice.

Link where you criedThere's your link... cry, complaining... however you want to word it, you bellied up to the Football Guys bar, ordered your shirley temple and then you.... lets use "whined" about your draft situation.

Again... what does it matter if anyone heard of it... Some people draw for each round... some people "reverse it' after 2 round... after 6 rounds... you do it after 7...

Whats more revealing is in your response to me you mention it isn't the first year of this... so why is this such a big deal for you... it's at least your second year...

Now, if this was a cool format... and you wanted to share it to with everyone, then I'm cool with that.... but you are obviously bitter... which is crazy cause you are the 2nd pick...

Good luck man

There's two separate issues: me LIKING the rule and me accepting the rule as fair. Something can be fair and I still may not enjoy it because I don't get the full benefit of it. (ie a snake draft in general gives the first pick in the 2nd round to the one who picked last in the first round) As someone with the #2 pick, the snake draft adversely affects me for the 2nd round, but I recognize it as fair. Do NOT confuse the two issues.My point throughout this thread has been very clear. I wanted to know if this practice was fair and justifed. Other people in this thread have shown that to me. Me complaining about how it affects me has nothing to do with it. This rule being instituted last year has nothing to do with it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I play in a league where we redraft order after every two rounds.

interesting twist.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

A way to make it even more fair: rounds 01-02 serpentinerounds 03-04 reverse serpentinerounds 05-06 serpentinerounds 07-08 reverse serpentinerounds 09-10 serpentinerounds 11-12 reverse serpentinepick two = 6,222.7 (2.8% better)pick eleven = 6,055.7~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~And yet more fairer than that is (the most fair you can get without needing to be a math genius like me to follow along): rounds 01-02 serpentinerounds 03-12 reverse serpentinepick two = 6,199.6 (2.0% better)pick eleven = 6,078.7

And can you please show the % difference.... when a draft is done in normal order (1-12 serpentine) with ONLY the 3rd round being changed to go in reverse order of typical serpentines and all others staying the same. Please.

 

[atcdav]

We do a random redraw every odd round and snake for the next round. Odd I know but this is what was voted in. It is chaotic, a lot of work and chances are someone makes out and someone gets screwed. But it has been my experience that what you do after the draft is as important or more important than the draft itself.

Funny, in our league(14 team redraft) the division winners seldom make it through the playoffs

 

[whoisjohngalt]

And can you please show the % difference.... when a draft is done in normal order (1-12 serpentine) with ONLY the 3rd round being changed to go in reverse order of typical serpentines and all others staying the same. Please.

Please clarify: round 01 - 1-12

round 02 - 12-1

round 03 - 12-1

round 04 - 12-1

round 05 - 1-12

round 06 - 12-1

round 07 - 1-12

round 08 - 12-1

...

Is that it?

If so, then it's fabulous:

pick two = 6,139.7 (0.02% better)

pick eleven = 6,138.7

 

[Cixelsyd]

In my office pool we are having a snake draft with a "reverse" snake at the end of round 6 - this means that after the team with the first pick takes #60, #61 will go to the team with the last pick of the first round.

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

so what exactly is the point? You don't like it and you need a shoulder to cry on? If those are the rules, those are the rules... overall, it's a minor mod... Put it this way... are you willing to trade your #2 spot to the #11 spot before the draft?

Put the hanky away, man up, and manage your team... there is no crying in football unless your name is #### Vermeil.

And with the multitude of drafts, leagues, players, comish's... nothing is surprising anymore.

I cried? link?I was asking for information on whether or not this practice was fair. I was complaining because I have a high pick, but that was a side issue and last year I had a low pick and still wondered whether it was the right thing to do or not.

Also, it's pretty easy to see what my point was. Did I or did I not ask: "Has anyone ever heard of this?" I wanted to see if this was a normal practice.

Link where you criedThere's your link... cry, complaining... however you want to word it, you bellied up to the Football Guys bar, ordered your shirley temple and then you.... lets use "whined" about your draft situation.

Again... what does it matter if anyone heard of it... Some people draw for each round... some people "reverse it' after 2 round... after 6 rounds... you do it after 7...

Whats more revealing is in your response to me you mention it isn't the first year of this... so why is this such a big deal for you... it's at least your second year...

Now, if this was a cool format... and you wanted to share it to with everyone, then I'm cool with that.... but you are obviously bitter... which is crazy cause you are the 2nd pick...

Good luck man

There's two separate issues: me LIKING the rule and me accepting the rule as fair. Something can be fair and I still may not enjoy it because I don't get the full benefit of it. (ie a snake draft in general gives the first pick in the 2nd round to the one who picked last in the first round) As someone with the #2 pick, the snake draft adversely affects me for the 2nd round, but I recognize it as fair. Do NOT confuse the two issues.My point throughout this thread has been very clear. I wanted to know if this practice was fair and justifed. Other people in this thread have shown that to me. Me complaining about how it affects me has nothing to do with it. This rule being instituted last year has nothing to do with it.

haha, you know I'm just busting your balls... But every post you change what you were looking for... now you wanted to know if it was fair and justified, but before that you said it was clear that you wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of it...

Also, you point about liking and accepting was confusing... so does that mean you don't enjoy the snake draft? it's fair, but you don't get full benefit from it?

So the 2 issues are you liking a rule and you accepting a rule because it's fair and justified...

If I have this right... you DONT like the rule... which is why you were complaining originally...

At one point you wanted to know if we had heard of such a set up... but now, as of last post you want to know if it's fair and justified???

Of course it's fair... not sure what you mean about justified....

And as an earlier posted said... quit... if you don't like the format you can quit even if it's fair...

 

[Cixelsyd]

And can you please show the % difference.... when a draft is done in normal order (1-12 serpentine) with ONLY the 3rd round being changed to go in reverse order of typical serpentines and all others staying the same. Please.

Please clarify: round 01 - 1-12

round 02 - 12-1

round 03 - 12-1

round 04 - 12-1

round 05 - 1-12

round 06 - 12-1

round 07 - 1-12

round 08 - 12-1

...

Is that it?

If so, then it's fabulous:

pick two = 6,139.7 (0.02% better)

pick eleven = 6,138.7

I think that is what he meant.... very interesting

 

[Cixelsyd]

And can you please show the % difference.... when a draft is done in normal order (1-12 serpentine) with ONLY the 3rd round being changed to go in reverse order of typical serpentines and all others staying the same. Please.

Please clarify: round 01 - 1-12

round 02 - 12-1

round 03 - 12-1

round 04 - 12-1

round 05 - 1-12

round 06 - 12-1

round 07 - 1-12

round 08 - 12-1

...

Is that it?

If so, then it's fabulous:

pick two = 6,139.7 (0.02% better)

pick eleven = 6,138.7

Oh... and don't sign mhrutkowski up for that league... he might physically cry if he got the second pick...

 

[TinHat]

"Broken" Serpentine is the right way to draft

1st 1->n

2nd n->1

3rd n->1

4th 1->n

repeat

 

[my man otis]

"Broken" Serpentine is the right way to draft1st 1->n2nd n->13rd n->14th 1->nrepeat

done this one, it's actually pretty fair...and good to pick late in the 1st

 

[Doug B]

By the seventh round, VBD and the concept of ADP kind of breaks down anyway, IMHO, so long as everyone at the table isn't using the exact same draft prep info. In a 10-team league like the OP ... the difference between the 62nd and the 69th overall picks just isn't that great.

 

[Doug B]

I play in a league where we redraft order after every two rounds.interesting twist.

Done this, too -- there seemed to be a pervading feeling in the room of getting screwed in some minor way. It's interesting, but all the difference is made in the first four or six rounds or so -- after that, the reshuffling becomes tedious.

 

[mhrutkowski]

haha, you know I'm just busting your balls... But every post you change what you were looking for... now you wanted to know if it was fair and justified, but before that you said it was clear that you wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of it...Also, you point about liking and accepting was confusing... so does that mean you don't enjoy the snake draft? it's fair, but you don't get full benefit from it? So the 2 issues are you liking a rule and you accepting a rule because it's fair and justified...If I have this right... you DONT like the rule... which is why you were complaining originally... At one point you wanted to know if we had heard of such a set up... but now, as of last post you want to know if it's fair and justified???Of course it's fair... not sure what you mean about justified....And as an earlier posted said... quit... if you don't like the format you can quit even if it's fair...

I know you're just trying to bust my balls, but there's no reason to do so. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.I'm not changing what I'm looking for. Far from it. I originally asked if reverse snake drafts were commonplace. If they were, it would suggest to me that it is a fair practice. The two go hand in hand, so I'm not changing my questions.Me liking/disliking the rule based on my draft position has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with if it is a fair rule or not. As I've said earlier, I didn't understand the rule last year when it benefited me as the #9 pick in a 10 team draft. Finally, your comment said I should "quit if I don't like the format" is disingenuous because I never implied I would do anything of the sort based on the rule. The entire point of this thread was to gather information about this draft sequence practice so I could better understand its rationale. Fortunately, other posters in this thread have given me this information.

 

[mhrutkowski]

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[BigSteelThrill]

"Broken" Serpentine is the right way to draft

1st 1->n

2nd n->1

3rd n->1

4th 1->n

repeat

Its good, but the way I posted is actually better.And WhoIs expounded upon it.

Its almost PERFECT. Its also becoming a trend in leagues by those who are actually watching the value of the picks and the draft.

I had asked Joe/David to pose this question to the WCOFF gents, but I dont think they wanted to ask the hard question, especially about fairness of such a big time league. Kind of like when announcers get in the booth to broadcast a game, and quit becoming critical.

This is not interesting, it is the PROPER way to do drafts...

round 01 - 1-12

round 02 - 12-1

round 03 - 12-1

round 04 - 12-1

round 05 - 1-12

round 06 - 12-1

round 07 - 1-12

round 08 - 12-1

It is so good... its hard to determine where you want to draft at. Very hard.

 

[cstu]

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

IMO the fact that you're not pleased is an admission that the people at the top of the draft (i.e. you) have an advantage.

 

[cstu]

Essentially, the draft order is flipped from last to first in the beginning of round 7 to promote "fairness" for those with the top picks in the first round. As someone with pick #2 overall, I'm not pleased. Has anyone ever heard of this?

IMO the fact that you're not pleased is an admission that the people at the top of the draft (i.e. you) have an advantage.

There is no doubt that it affects me adversely. And there is no doubt that those at the end of the round enjoy this rule. The issue is whether it is fair or not.Has anyone seen this before? If not, I might assume this is over-managing a league. Is picking in the top of the draft that much of an advantage?

I'm sure the people at the end of the draft enjoy not having a shot at one of the top RB's...

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Thank you WIJ.If I may WhoIsJon...can you relay the same stats for each of these situations for 16 team leagues. (#2 and #15)

Through 12 rounds: pick two serpentine = 5.1% better than pick eleven serpentine (6,290.5 vs 5,987.8)pick two adjst_serp = 3.8% better than pick eleven adjst_serp (6,253.3 vs 6,025.0)adjst_serp = what mhrutkowski described above=================================================A way to make it even more fair: rounds 01-02 serpentinerounds 03-04 reverse serpentinerounds 05-06 serpentinerounds 07-08 reverse serpentinerounds 09-10 serpentinerounds 11-12 reverse serpentinepick two = 6,222.7 (2.8% better)pick eleven = 6,055.7==================================================And yet more fairer than that is (the most fair you can get without needing to be a math genius like me to follow along): rounds 01-02 serpentinerounds 03-12 reverse serpentinepick two = 6,199.6 (2.0% better)pick eleven = 6,078.7==================================================Please clarify: round 01 - 1-12round 02 - 12-1round 03 - 12-1round 04 - 12-1round 05 - 1-12round 06 - 12-1round 07 - 1-12round 08 - 12-1... Is that it?If so, then it's fabulous: pick two = 6,139.7 (0.02% better)pick eleven = 6,138.7

If its as good, as we believe and as it has proven to be, there should be a small advantage for the late drafting teams.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

Thank you WIJ.If I may WhoIsJon...can you relay the same stats for each of these situations for 16 team leagues. (#2 and #15)If its as good, as we believe and as it has proven to be, there should be a small advantage for the late drafting teams.

regular serpentine: 2nd is 9.5% better than 15thserpentine that reverses after 6th round: 2nd is 7.6% better than 15thserpentine that reverses every two rounds: 2nd is 6.1% better than 15thserpentine that reverses after the 2nd round: 2nd is 5.3% better than 15thregular serpentine except the 3rd round is reversed: 2nd is 2.5% better than 15thAgain, the 3rd round reversal is the best of the bunch, but it's less "perfect" than with 12 teams. Also, I'm done taking requests.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Thank you again whoisjohngalt.

I know you dont want anymore requests... but if you get bored...

Could you show % scores of all 12 (and 16) teams in comparison with team #2.

Only for the proper (flip the 3rd - fabulous) draft set up. Not concerned with the lesser styles.

If you get some free time or you already have it completed or something.