Brady Gaga
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Anyone scared to start Seattle Mike this week @ OAK? (1 Viewer)
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Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
Rogers-Cromartie is no slouch, Williams did ok against him last week. I'm starting him as my WR3 riding the wave...
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I'm in the same boat. I have Dez Bryant as a reserve, and can't make up my mind, who I will play as my flex.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
Good point - I kept him on the bench last week b/c of DRC and missed out.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Even if Scrabble does cover him (and I'm not convinced of that), I think it's a bad matchup for Nnamdi. He is most effective against speed WRs. Mike's big frame will cause him problems. Same reason Nnamdi doesn't cover Gates.
Week 1: Nate Washington 88 yds, 1 TD
Week 2: Mark Clayton 24 yds, 2 TD
Week 3: Larry Fitzgerald 26 yds, 1 TD
Week 4: (AJ was out) Kevin Walter 35 yds
Week 5: Malcolm Floyd 213 yds, 1 TD
Week 6: Michael Crabtree 57 yds, 1 TD
Week 7: Brandon Lloyd 46 yds
Not sure who he covered but Oakland is 25th in passing TDs allowed per game and 5th in passing yards allowed per game. I wouldn't count on Floyd's big game since Hasselbeck isn't Rivers, they don't have Gates on the team, that was a division game, and I expect them to run the ball a lot against Oakland. I would, however, look at the TD count and think that there's potential for Williams to still do decent in the red zone. To say you would start him with confidence is a bit too much but I would start him if you have a lack of better options and just not expect a big day but hope he gets his TDs. Wouldn't be surprised to see 40-50 yds, 1 TD (possibly 2) but I could also see 30 yds total so your fear is warranted given the unpredictable nature of TDs.
Week 2: Mark Clayton 24 yds, 2 TD
Week 3: Larry Fitzgerald 26 yds, 1 TD
Week 4: (AJ was out) Kevin Walter 35 yds
Week 5: Malcolm Floyd 213 yds, 1 TD
Week 6: Michael Crabtree 57 yds, 1 TD
Week 7: Brandon Lloyd 46 yds
Not sure who he covered but Oakland is 25th in passing TDs allowed per game and 5th in passing yards allowed per game. I wouldn't count on Floyd's big game since Hasselbeck isn't Rivers, they don't have Gates on the team, that was a division game, and I expect them to run the ball a lot against Oakland. I would, however, look at the TD count and think that there's potential for Williams to still do decent in the red zone. To say you would start him with confidence is a bit too much but I would start him if you have a lack of better options and just not expect a big day but hope he gets his TDs. Wouldn't be surprised to see 40-50 yds, 1 TD (possibly 2) but I could also see 30 yds total so your fear is warranted given the unpredictable nature of TDs.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Luckily because of the start times I have the luxury of seeing whether Moreno is healthy enough to play in the early game, and MW is my fall-back/flex if Knowshon can't go.
LAbronco
Footballguy
Uh, Nnamdi was assigned to Gates in that game, not Floyd. HE did shut down B Lloyd last week, and B LLoyd tougher WR than Sea Mike
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Yeah, if there's one thing that Lloyd is known for it's his toughness.
Otis
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
Someone correct me if I am wrong. I believe Asomugha always lines up on the same side of the field. I do not think he follows the #1 WR. Therefore, BMW will line up on both sides of the field and will have some chances.
I believe that's true.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
As Doc and maybe others suggested, Asomugha lines up on one side and Seahawks can move BMW around....but even IF they were matched up, would you think that the defender....any defender could totally make up for 3-4 inches in height and guessing forty pounds in guarding Williams?
Plsy him if you have him
Plsy him if you have him
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dagwood
Footballguy
Actually, I thought I read an article in August that said he was going to roam this year and often times be matched up against that other teams #1. In past years he always played the right side.I have not seen any Oakland games this year though. So I don't know how true the above statement turned out to be.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I can confirm that multiple Raider homers here have stated that they're moving him around this season.
Good point. When Nnamdi was at his best a couple of years ago (not that the drop has been significant at all), the one "type" of WR that could do something against him was the larger-framed ones like Vincent Jackson. In fact, I believe Jackson was the only guy to light him up in 2008, and the rest left with their tails between their legs. At least when you look within the division over the last few years, while they have had some good WRs (like Marshall and Bowe), neither have a frame like Williams or jackson, for that matter.In reality, would you be mor PO'ed if you played him and he walked away with 3-37, or if you benched him and he hit 7-75-1?
DocHolliday
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With Boldin on a bye, I am starting BMW again this week. I do not expect 10 catches and think he comes down to earth even if Asomugha only covers him 50% of the time. Aso is a legit shut-down corner. BMW has not faced anything like him yet this season.
That being said, it only seems logical to start him if you have been starting him. It is tough to argue with the BMWs last 2 games.
That being said, it only seems logical to start him if you have been starting him. It is tough to argue with the BMWs last 2 games.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I think he has a lot to prove this game returning to Oakland, so look for him to do well. On top of that he has the most targets on the team the last two weeks, and has produced.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
If I remember right, 15 targets 2 games ago and 16 targets last week. You would be insane to bench him in a PPR.
Insein
Footballguy
Benched Floyd that week because of Aso. Big Mistake.
Clifford
Footballguy
Great thread, props to OP, this deserves discussion. Also makes me think an article looking at who the true shutdown corners are the NFL would be a good addition to subscriber area.
I am debating between three very similar wideouts (Bryant, S. Johnson, BMW) and this has me leaning Bryant/Johnson. Good thread.
I am debating between three very similar wideouts (Bryant, S. Johnson, BMW) and this has me leaning Bryant/Johnson. Good thread.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The Raiders utilize Nnamdi exactly the way they should. He will shadow a top tier receiver, a game changer like Fitzgerald or Johnson, otherwise he stays on the right side, eliminating that side of the field, freeing up the safety on that side to cover another guy instead of helping over the top, and forcing our opponents to try to throw to the left side almost exclusively.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, this season, Nnamdi has been roaming the field, shadowing the top receiver no matter where he lines up. The QB’s locate him pre snap, and do not test him. Nnamdi is unique in that although he doesn’t make many picks, but his talent is being right on top off the receiver, and almost always in position to break up the pass. It takes an almost perfect play from QB and wideout to beat him, when he is on. There simply isn’t anywhere to put the ball when he is in coverage.
It’s just my guess, but BMW is the man that Asomugha will be shadowing all day. I think he’s BMW's a risky play, and will shut him down.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, this season, Nnamdi has been roaming the field, shadowing the top receiver no matter where he lines up. The QB’s locate him pre snap, and do not test him. Nnamdi is unique in that although he doesn’t make many picks, but his talent is being right on top off the receiver, and almost always in position to break up the pass. It takes an almost perfect play from QB and wideout to beat him, when he is on. There simply isn’t anywhere to put the ball when he is in coverage.
It’s just my guess, but BMW is the man that Asomugha will be shadowing all day. I think he’s BMW's a risky play, and will shut him down.
Clifford
Footballguy
so which is it, does he roam to cover the top receiver on any team, or only does that when the top receiver is considered "special"?
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Limit him is a "maybe". Shut him down is silly talk.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I have a somewhat nebulous answer. The only time Nnamdi truly shadowed a WR was against Fitz. At other times, he has mostly shadowed the #1, but not exclusively. The Raiders would be wise to exclusively cover the other team’s #1 no matter what. That's just my opinion.My guess is that Nnamdi is covering BMW most of the time, but not exclusively, so that kind of opens the debate on this. I could still see BMW getting free on a play when Nnamdi isn’t covering him for a TD, but I think he won’t get near the 10 catches he has been getting the last 2 games.
Sorry if it seems I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth. I am just as puzzled with this situation as anyone.
I do think that Pete Carroll is going to try to get Beastmode Lynch going, and run it down our throats. While the Raiders gameplan will be to stop the run early and force 3rd and long, and then unleash hell on Hasselbeck and force turnovers.
A huge key to this game on both sides is who wins on ST's.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
If Nnamdi was shadowing BMW exclusively, he would shut him down. Fact.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
If true then 5 for 92 and a touch is pretty good for a TE against one of the league's best cover corners.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Nnamdi has always had trouble covering TE's. From Gates to Gonzales. But it brings up an interesting sidebar. BMW has the body of a TE. Hmmm....
two_dollars
Footballguy
There were a number of Floyd's catches with Nnamdi covering him.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Really now? Nnamdi has defensed 4 passes all year. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AsomNn20.htm
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't, just have too many guys on bye. I'm in this week unless I wanted to drop him which isn't happening.Go Mike Williams!
gotexansgo
Footballguy
this is the boat Im in, hoping for the best but not holding my breath
Blind Tiger
Footballguy
What does this have to do with Floyd catching passes while Nnamdi was covering him?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Inspiration
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Thanks for the link.I saw it all. He tore up Routt, Huff, and Branch.
The first pass he got a ball on Nnamdi. There was another ball where Nnamdi assisted in the tackle but it was not his responsibility. So that is getting thrown at? Nnamdi is why Floyd got 200+ yards? LOL
southeastjerome
Footballguy
You don't get a pass defensed if you just cover a guy and he catches the ball. You have to break up a pass to do achieve one.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Serious question. If Nnamdi was not covering him, why didn't they rotate him so that he would cover Floyd after he was obviously tearing them a new one?
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