Anyone tired of blown calls by refs (1 Viewer)

[Rogi]

As much as I love watching the NFL, there are times where I think about giving up on it. When I see the refs miss an obvious call during instant replay (even ones the announcers are suprised by), I wonder if there are other influences in a ref's decision. I understand missing a call during live play, but to go to the review booth and completely miss it is unacceptable. This happens frequently when I watch, and I usually only catch one or two games a week. Are we suppose to just forget about the missed calls and continue to put faith in the NFL officiating? It might seem insignificant, but one play can change a game, which can change a season.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

I agree. But I think some of the NFL rules suck too.

 

[Despyzer]

 

[Z-Dog]

Yeah, blown calls suck, but there's no way that the NFL can be 100% on calls. I think they made some very good changes in the last couple of offseasons, and have been far more responsive to dealing with rules issues than any other league. This year's best changes include using the same crew together in games, which allows for each crew to develop a consistent style, outlawing the horse-collar, and delaying the whistle-blow on fumbles.

As a fan, i've been annoyed by a few calls - the Jets got jobbed in the Jaguars game with repeated personal foul calls for simply tackling a very big QB, and they got robbed again in their final offensive play against the Browns this week, where Chris Baker was clearly forced out, but the call on the field was incomplete, and the force-out ruling is a judgment call by the refs that may not be reveiewed. Some teams, notably the Patriots, seem to get the benefit of most calls. But you know waht - it's still not basketball, where players like Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe get all the calls. In the end, the NFL is more fair than the other leagues. Last year's Superbowl was an aberration, imo, and an unfortunate one, but I haven't lost faith in NFL officiating yet.

 

[humans_being]

I'm right there with you. Some of the calls are just plain inexplicable, and it really takes away from the game. I've said it before and i'll say it again; atleast in baseball you don't have to worry about the game winning bomb being called back by some stupid refs bogus 'judgement call'. Let alone ignoring the instant replay system they have in place when it clearly shows the call to be the wrong one.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I still don't know for the life of me why (in both the NFL and college football) there is not a replay committee up in the booth. Rather than showing one guy a replay, show it to some odd number (3, 5, or 7) and let them all vote.

There are just some replays where it seems like 95% of people see it one way, but the only person that matters happens to be one of the few in that 5% that somehow took something very obvious and saw something else (think Oregon/Oklahoma onside kick and "non"-tipped pass, or Florida/Auburn "fumble").

 

[tonystrong]

I think instead of having certain plays reviewable, they should allow each team 2 challanges of any call. Whether its a pass interference, a spot, a catch, etc.

 

[thatguy]

I was pretty pissed by the blown call last night. First they make the right call on the field. Than Belicheck #####es and gets them to change the call, forcing the Vikes to use a challenge. It's painfully obvious that Wiggins caught the ball. And they uphold the call on the field. Very odd series of events. And completely indefensible.

 

[Mudcrab]

I was pretty pissed by the blown call last night. First they make the right call on the field. Than Belicheck #####es and gets them to change the call, forcing the Vikes to use a challenge. It's painfully obvious that Wiggins caught the ball. And they uphold the call on the field. Very odd series of events. And completely indefensible.

Totally agree. I am neither a NE or MIN fan, but that kind of nonsense (reversing their original call because a coach says something to them - and then getting it wrong) makes the game less enjoyable to watch.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

simplify the rules.

a touchdown should be actually touching the football down in the endzone....things like that.

 

[jonessed]

I was pretty pissed by the blown call last night. First they make the right call on the field. Than Belicheck #####es and gets them to change the call, forcing the Vikes to use a challenge. It's painfully obvious that Wiggins caught the ball. And they uphold the call on the field. Very odd series of events. And completely indefensible.

The NFL needs to figure out why they changed the call and then why they decided to uphold it when faced with an obvious error. This series of events was just flat out bizarre.

 

[joffer]

i think part of the problem is that the replay officials take "conclusive evidence" too literally on whether to overturn the call. that's what i think happened last night. this isn't a court of law, make the call you think is most likely correct.

 

[kevjones22]

How about last years superbowl

 

[jesse]

2 Words, Tom Brady, that's what influences the refs in the league, seriously, just seeing him come onto the field I swear gives every ref out there, whether doing the game or not, a hard on.

Just watch the next patriots game, if it's a call that could hurt the pats and tom brady or not, they'll call it in the pats favor, seriously, just watch the next game,

makes me sick. I turned off the game last night after the refs got that instant replay call wrong ON PURPOSE!

I mean, one could argue that a play that's NOT challenged just went their way cause the refs didn't have a good look at it, ok, i'm cool with that, but when you're slowing it down to like 300 frames a second or whatever it is and you "fail to see" the obvious 3 to 4 steps taken by the receiver AFTER controlling the ball, that's just pure man love for the pats and Brady. Pure and unadulterated.

 

[wannabee]

i thought this was a thread for Seahawk fans ....

 

[Kyoto Burger]

Jets-Browns botched call which took away a chance for OT

http://media.putfile.com/BS-FORCE-OUT-CALL...-OF-JETS-BROWNS

 

[Raskell5]

2 Words, Tom Brady, that's what influences the refs in the league, seriously, just seeing him come onto the field I swear gives every ref out there, whether doing the game or not, a hard on.Just watch the next patriots game, if it's a call that could hurt the pats and tom brady or not, they'll call it in the pats favor, seriously, just watch the next game,makes me sick. I turned off the game last night after the refs got that instant replay call wrong ON PURPOSE! I mean, one could argue that a play that's NOT challenged just went their way cause the refs didn't have a good look at it, ok, i'm cool with that, but when you're slowing it down to like 300 frames a second or whatever it is and you "fail to see" the obvious 3 to 4 steps taken by the receiver AFTER controlling the ball, that's just pure man love for the pats and Brady. Pure and unadulterated.

It should be interesting what Mike Peirera (sp?) has to say about it when Rich Eisen brings it up on NFL Network. He's done some serious tap dancing in the past, this one should be great.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

i think part of the problem is that the replay officials take "conclusive evidence" too literally on whether to overturn the call. that's what i think happened last night. this isn't a court of law, make the call you think is most likely correct.

I think it was TMQ who was discussing this years ago. He, or someone else, had tracked officiating crews and found that certain crews were more lenient than others when overturning calls. The ref who upheld the call on the field the most ended up being a lawyer in his day job FWIW.

 

[Rogi]

Last nights call on the Wiggins' fumble is the most recent example. I didn't mean for this to sound like I'm whining. I'm just disappointed. Like I mentioned earlier, I understand if a live action play is called incorrectly occassionaly, or even a close call during instant replay, but obvious calls being botched during instant replay disgust me. It is really frustrating that everybody sees the correct call that needs to be made, yet the official being paid to make the call screws it up with replay.

 

[Raskell5]

Just as I thought, Pereira is on Total Access right now and he looks like Gregory Hines . It's so obvious his guys blew these calls and he just won't commit on the Baker play and even goes as far to say the the Wiggins fumble was an incompletion. What a joke!!!!!!!! Eisen was putting up a pretty good argument and Pereira just wouldn't go for it.

 

[Godsbrother]

Get rid of instant replay and live with whatever calls are made on the field and get on with the next play already. It will suck if the replay shows a blown call but much of the time the replays are inconclusive or the officials still get the play wrong or even worse the replay overturns a correct call made on the field.

I hate the delays, I hate the fact that you can only challenge 2 plays, and I really hate that they change the rules in the last 2:00 minutes and have the officials decide whether or not to review a play.

Blown calls are a part of the game. Just lineup and get on with the next play...

 

[Big Score]

Just as I thought, Pereira is on Total Access right now and he looks like Gregory Hines . It's so obvious his guys blew these calls and he just won't commit on the Baker play and even goes as far to say the the Wiggins fumble was an incompletion. What a joke!!!!!!!! Eisen was putting up a pretty good argument and Pereira just wouldn't go for it.

Of course he won't admit the blown calls. He's gonna stand behind his guys period. That being said, I bet dollars to donuts we do not see those crews officiating any playoff games.

 

[Pnishthm]

Just as I thought, Pereira is on Total Access right now and he looks like Gregory Hines . It's so obvious his guys blew these calls and he just won't commit on the Baker play and even goes as far to say the the Wiggins fumble was an incompletion. What a joke!!!!!!!! Eisen was putting up a pretty good argument and Pereira just wouldn't go for it.

After watching this moron, it's easy to see why some of these refs are so clueless. How he defends some of these calls with a straight face is beyond me.

 

[Power Monster]

Part of the game. IR can be so much better. There is an element of control with these games. There is heavy betting on the line after all...

 

[porkins]

2 Words, Tom Brady, that's what influences the refs in the league, seriously, just seeing him come onto the field I swear gives every ref out there, whether doing the game or not, a hard on.Just watch the next patriots game, if it's a call that could hurt the pats and tom brady or not, they'll call it in the pats favor, seriously, just watch the next game,makes me sick. I turned off the game last night after the refs got that instant replay call wrong ON PURPOSE! I mean, one could argue that a play that's NOT challenged just went their way cause the refs didn't have a good look at it, ok, i'm cool with that, but when you're slowing it down to like 300 frames a second or whatever it is and you "fail to see" the obvious 3 to 4 steps taken by the receiver AFTER controlling the ball, that's just pure man love for the pats and Brady. Pure and unadulterated.

Perhaps you missed that Pats/Broncos playoff game last year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Anyone tired of blown calls by refs, Even during Instant Replay

Nope. Can't get enough of them.

 

[Big Score]

Hmmmm...just caught the Total Access Pereira interview.

As he was being asked about the Wiggins ruling & how when it went to Instant Replay (which clearly showed it to be a catch per NFL rules), yet the Refs still blew the call, Pereira point blank said "This game cannot be officiated by Instant Replay".

What's the point of Instant Replay if that's how the Head of NFL officiating is instructing his Refs to use the Instant Replay tool?

Or do you guys think is this more of a case where Pereira is simply protecting his officiating crews and refuses to throw them under the bus for the obvious blown call?

 

[BigRed]

"Blown" calls dont' bother me half as much as the way some of the rules are set up/interpreted. If I see one more "roughing the passer" when a defender has made a very clean and legit hit on a QB Is this football or fn tiddlywinks?

 

[The Ref]

As much as I love watching the NFL, there are times where I think about giving up on it. When I see the refs miss an obvious call during instant replay (even ones the announcers are suprised by), I wonder if there are other influences in a ref's decision. I understand missing a call during live play, but to go to the review booth and completely miss it is unacceptable. This happens frequently when I watch, and I usually only catch one or two games a week. Are we suppose to just forget about the missed calls and continue to put faith in the NFL officiating? It might seem insignificant, but one play can change a game, which can change a season.

If you think it's that easy, for less then $100, you can buy a shirt, whistle, two flags, two markers, a chain clip, pants, and a belt and make some good money as a high school ref.Trust me when I say it, you have no idea how good these guys really are.

 

[Big Score]

As much as I love watching the NFL, there are times where I think about giving up on it. When I see the refs miss an obvious call during instant replay (even ones the announcers are suprised by), I wonder if there are other influences in a ref's decision. I understand missing a call during live play, but to go to the review booth and completely miss it is unacceptable. This happens frequently when I watch, and I usually only catch one or two games a week. Are we suppose to just forget about the missed calls and continue to put faith in the NFL officiating? It might seem insignificant, but one play can change a game, which can change a season.

If you think it's that easy, for less then $100, you can buy a shirt, whistle, two flags, two markers, a chain clip, pants, and a belt and make some good money as a high school ref.Trust me when I say it, you have no idea how good these guys really are.

I don't think High School Refs get multiple camera angles with 2 minutes worth of super slow mo replays, to help make their calls do they?Rogi's main gripe, was the Refs still blowing the Wiggins call, despite having 2 minutes worth of slow motion replays showing it to be an obvious catch. Pereira's excuse for them blowing that call, was certainly out there. Gotta think he was just reaching for something, so he didn't have to throw his guys under the bus.

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't think High School Refs get multiple camera angles with 2 minutes worth of super slow mo replays, to help make their calls do they?

High school officials also don't have to call plays at NFL level speed and with millions of viewers on TV reviewing each call they make from multiple camera angles and super slo mo replays.

 

[Big Score]

I don't think High School Refs get multiple camera angles with 2 minutes worth of super slow mo replays, to help make their calls do they?

High school officials also don't have to call plays at NFL level speed and with millions of viewers on TV reviewing each call they make from multiple camera angles and super slo mo replays.

The High School Refs thing was truly irrelevant & only in response to The Ref's post.Again, I think Rogi's main gripe, was the Refs still blowing the Wiggins call, despite having 2 minutes worth of slow motion replays showing it to be an obvious catch.

 

[Liquid Tension]

As much as I love watching the NFL, there are times where I think about giving up on it. When I see the refs miss an obvious call during instant replay (even ones the announcers are suprised by), I wonder if there are other influences in a ref's decision. I understand missing a call during live play, but to go to the review booth and completely miss it is unacceptable. This happens frequently when I watch, and I usually only catch one or two games a week. Are we suppose to just forget about the missed calls and continue to put faith in the NFL officiating? It might seem insignificant, but one play can change a game, which can change a season.

I have written a few timeS about this before. I was a HUGE supporter of instant replay as I wanted them to get plays correct at any cost. I WAS ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Not only do we now get less plays because of instant replay (because games were going longer they now run the clock on out of bounds plays until the last minutes of each half) but the quality of officiating has gone way down in my opinion. I think the latter is because there have been so many modifications to rules now that the officials are very inconsistent in their calls. Was that a 15 yard horse collar or not? Was that a late hit on the QB? It causes HUGE swings. BTW, how many feet do you have to come down with now to call it a catch? I have seen on 4 different occasions where a receiver gets 1,2,3 feet down and then gets hit and fumble and they rule it incomplete? How is that possible? You also now have to have control when you hit the ground even if you have gotten 2 feet down (dumb). Also holding calls that are away from the play, that bring back a 30 yard run or holds uncalled...Finally, the plays that cause me more grief than any in football are the very soft 40 yard interference calls that are game changers. These are BRUTAL. It is a killer when a team has 3rd and very long and they get an auto 1st down on an illegal chuck 6 yards from scrimmage and away from the play or a hail mary where the pass is so short the coverage guy who is in the jockstrap of the receiver gets flagged because of a BAD pass.THE MAIN POINT IS THAT SO MANY CRUCIAL CALLS CAN'T BE REVIEWED (HOLDING, PASS INTERFERENCE, ETC...)SO WHY DO WE PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES CAN BE REVIEWED AND IN DOING SO HAVE MADE THE REFS WORSE, THE GAME LOSE ALL THE FLOW AND MOMENTUM THAT IS A HUGE PART OF THE GAME AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE LESS PLAYS WHICH IS THE REAL WAY TO DECIDE WHO THE BETTER TEAM IS? GIVE US MORE PLAYS AND ALLOW THE TEAMS TO PLAY THE GAME AND LET MOMENTUM BE PART OF THE GAME. JUNK INSTANT REPLAY AS IT IS RUINING OUR GAME.Again this coming from a huge supporter instant replay in the past.

 

[Godsbrother]

JUNK INSTANT REPLAY AS IT IS RUINING OUR GAME.Again this coming from a huge supporter instant replay in the past.

Amen brother.

 

[Slum Lord]

As much as I love watching the NFL, there are times where I think about giving up on it. When I see the refs miss an obvious call during instant replay (even ones the announcers are suprised by), I wonder if there are other influences in a ref's decision. I understand missing a call during live play, but to go to the review booth and completely miss it is unacceptable. This happens frequently when I watch, and I usually only catch one or two games a week. Are we suppose to just forget about the missed calls and continue to put faith in the NFL officiating? It might seem insignificant, but one play can change a game, which can change a season.

While it does suck sometimes, theres nothing you can do about it. Either deal with it or stop watching. If you arent over blown calls as soon as the next play, time to find another hobby.

 

[J R]

QUOTE(Rogi @ Oct 31 2006, 04:35 PM) *As much as I love watching the NFL, there are times where I think about giving up on it. When I see the refs miss an obvious call during instant replay (even ones the announcers are suprised by), I wonder if there are other influences in a ref's decision. I understand missing a call during live play, but to go to the review booth and completely miss it is unacceptable. This happens frequently when I watch, and I usually only catch one or two games a week. Are we suppose to just forget about the missed calls and continue to put faith in the NFL officiating? It might seem insignificant, but one play can change a game, which can change a season.I have written a few timeS about this before. I was a HUGE supporter of instant replay as I wanted them to get plays correct at any cost. I WAS ABSOLUTELY WRONG!Not only do we now get less plays because of instant replay (because games were going longer they now run the clock on out of bounds plays until the last minutes of each half) but the quality of officiating has gone way down in my opinion. I think the latter is because there have been so many modifications to rules now that the officials are very inconsistent in their calls. Was that a 15 yard horse collar or not? Was that a late hit on the QB? It causes HUGE swings. BTW, how many feet do you have to come down with now to call it a catch? I have seen on 4 different occasions where a receiver gets 1,2,3 feet down and then gets hit and fumble and they rule it incomplete? How is that possible? You also now have to have control when you hit the ground even if you have gotten 2 feet down (dumb). Also holding calls that are away from the play, that bring back a 30 yard run or holds uncalled...Finally, the plays that cause me more grief than any in football are the very soft 40 yard interference calls that are game changers. These are BRUTAL. It is a killer when a team has 3rd and very long and they get an auto 1st down on an illegal chuck 6 yards from scrimmage and away from the play or a hail mary where the pass is so short the coverage guy who is in the jockstrap of the receiver gets flagged because of a BAD pass.THE MAIN POINT IS THAT SO MANY CRUCIAL CALLS CAN'T BE REVIEWED (HOLDING, PASS INTERFERENCE, ETC...)SO WHY DO WE PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES CAN BE REVIEWED AND IN DOING SO HAVE MADE THE REFS WORSE, THE GAME LOSE ALL THE FLOW AND MOMENTUM THAT IS A HUGE PART OF THE GAME AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE LESS PLAYS WHICH IS THE REAL WAY TO DECIDE WHO THE BETTER TEAM IS? GIVE US MORE PLAYS AND ALLOW THE TEAMS TO PLAY THE GAME AND LET MOMENTUM BE PART OF THE GAME. JUNK INSTANT REPLAY AS IT IS RUINING OUR GAME.

I think what we are seeing and will see even more of is that instant replay does not just give us a slo-mo replay after the fact but actually changes the way we see the action on the field in real time.

 

[seabags]

I'm a Seahawks fan.

Need I say more?

 

[Velcro]

Wow. I don't mean to interrupt the b-tch session you guys have going on, but a few thoughts:

- Bad calls will always happen. It's just a human component of the system and it's easier to remember and ##### about the bad calls than the calls they got right.

- Refs are human and are not totally devoid of bias. While I'm certain that every ref would swear they are impartial and pass a lie detector, there is plenty of evidence that inherent bias' factor into "impartial" decisions. It happens in courtrooms by judges and juries, by baseball umpires depending on who might be pitching or batting, teachers grading papers, etc.

- More than most other sports, football is very judgment oriented - particularly around penalties. I read recently that an football player (offensive lineman I think) said there is a penalty on every play in every NFL game, it's just a matter of the degree and what the refs will call. I don't find this hard to believe, and it emphasizes the subjective nature of officiating. I guess you can say it's similar to basketball and the pushing that happens under the net.

- I'm not sure that the replay officials have access to HDTV, super slow motion, zoom capability that the networks provide their viewers with. In that context, the replay official may be making the correct call based on the information they have access to. Perhaps the greater issue is, why can't the replay official get access to the network feeds and capabilities.

- Last, the networks probably like replay, since it gives them more advertising time.

I don't know the stat, but if replay correctly reversed 95% of the bad calls and incorrectly left the 5% standing, would everyone still be opposed to it?

I think the NFL should let the networks broadcast the view that the replay official sees. That would give most of us insight and probably reduce our frustration.

 

[Big Score]

- I'm not sure that the replay officials have access to HDTV, super slow motion, zoom capability that the networks provide their viewers with.

They do.

Perhaps the greater issue is, why can't the replay official get access to the network feeds and capabilities.

They do.

 

[FrostBite]

Another terrible week for officials.

Blown call in the Atanta game where Roddy White made a crazy catch between his legs and got his hand under the ball so it didnt touch the ground. The play is reviewed and the ref still misses the call.

Then in the St Louis game they call pass intereference on Issac Bruce on 3rd and 14. If anything it was pass interference on on KC. Another big play blown by the officials.

Can't wait to see the excuses they have on NFLN this week.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yeah, not only did the Rams get screwed on that one, on KC's next possession, they got a bull#### defensive pass interference called against them, extending KC's drive, which eventually resulted in a TD. Horrible.

 

[Borat]

I was pretty pissed by the blown call last night. First they make the right call on the field. Than Belicheck #####es and gets them to change the call, forcing the Vikes to use a challenge. It's painfully obvious that Wiggins caught the ball. And they uphold the call on the field. Very odd series of events. And completely indefensible.

That was pretty terrible. Credit Belichick for influencing the refs, and discredit the refs for allowing themselves to be influenced.

 

[Borat]

2 Words, Tom Brady, that's what influences the refs in the league, seriously, just seeing him come onto the field I swear gives every ref out there, whether doing the game or not, a hard on.Just watch the next patriots game, if it's a call that could hurt the pats and tom brady or not, they'll call it in the pats favor, seriously, just watch the next game,makes me sick. I turned off the game last night after the refs got that instant replay call wrong ON PURPOSE! I mean, one could argue that a play that's NOT challenged just went their way cause the refs didn't have a good look at it, ok, i'm cool with that, but when you're slowing it down to like 300 frames a second or whatever it is and you "fail to see" the obvious 3 to 4 steps taken by the receiver AFTER controlling the ball, that's just pure man love for the pats and Brady. Pure and unadulterated.

This post is just complete nonsense. I'd advise you to re-watch last year's Pats-Broncos playoff game. Sure, the Pats get some calls, but so does every team in the league. The refs aren't perfect, and sometimes you just have to live with their mistakes. It can be frustrating, but there's no use about it.

 

[Borat]

Also, I think the current replay system, with the challenges, is outstanding. Certainly not perfect, but I'm a big fan. I think it allows for just enough instant replay.