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Apple Vision Pro (1 Viewer)

Heard on the radio that the idea that makes this be headset different (other than being Apple), is that it’s meant to replace every screen you have. TV, laptop, phone. If it’s got a screen, this will replace it.
 
Very interested and very curious, but that starting price tag is going to keep the majority of people on the sidelines. And I think with something like this, you need a better saturation than Apple fanatics, the rich, and social media influencers.

I could get half a dozen Meta devices for the price of one Apple Vision Pro.

That said, I still want one. Who needs both kidneys?
 
Imagine watching football on this thing? I guess this is the beginning of the end for televisions.

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Looks cool. I'll likely never own one unless the price comes down dramatically. The fake eyes freak me out though.
 
The price is high, but it does look amazing. I'd love to demo one and see what its like to watch sports or a concert on it. I might never go to a live event again. Neat how they present you without the device in facetime. And taking videos of your kids and being able to re-watch them again as if they were right in the room, that would be pretty nuts. I can see why it took so long for them to release this.

Smart design to get the weight of the battery off your face. Look like a pair of ski goggles.
 
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I used to think I would never be the old man refusing technology but I guess I will be. This stuff means nothing to me. Oh I can see a gallery sized picture of my kid eating a sandwich? WGAF? Why would anybody want that? I can watch a movie with these stupid goggles? Why wouldn’t I just watch it on my tv?

“When somebody comes in the room you’ll still be able to see them!” Yea I would because I would take the goggles off because I’m not a psycho.
 
Judge Smails said:
Hefty price tag. Will be an expensive toy for the rich until v2 or v3
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How many products do they have whose price is down on the first three revs? Maybe the mb air is the only significant launch that is cheaper now by some amount than gen 1.

Unless talking about getting this gen when later release?
 
Judge Smails said:
Hefty price tag. Will be an expensive toy for the rich until v2 or v3
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I don't know. Apple has a history (at least for some product lines) of maintaining the price point and adding additional features. They may do a cheaper version (e.g., 5S and 5C back in 2013).

In any case I can't imagine ever buying one of these.
 
I'm not sure that I would want one of these if they were free. I'd rather just look at a screen like a normal person and not block out everybody else around me.

Eventually, somebody is going to make one of these products that allows for virtual tourism, where you're able to "walk" through a museum or city or something in VR. I will take a look at this technology when that becomes commercially viable. Until then, I'm fine with playing games and watching movies on my monitor/tv.

Edit: Oh, wow, they use machine learning to make you look realistic when you're talking to somebody online. That's amazing. Of course, I can do that now without any special ML technology, because I'm not wearing a ridiculous headset that covers my face.
 
We need to skip the "massive headset" phase of VR and skip straight to the Black Mirror version where you install a chip in your temple. That seems to work pretty well in that universe, so it should serve our needs too.
 
Pretty impressive computing power inside these things, so the $3500 price point isn't totally absurd. I could see them being useful in professional settings for programmers etc. The personal uses (other than porn) are what seem more far-fetched -- I would feel ridiculous sitting at home wearing one of these with other people around.
 
belljr said:
So how is this different than current VR?
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First, it is augmented reality which is slightly different than VR. I think the thing that sets it apart is the interface. They spent a ton of effort adding all kinds of sensors that allow you to use natural gestures to navigate it. It looks pretty awesome on that level. No idea if it will be as seamless in real world use.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
We need to skip the "massive headset" phase of VR and skip straight to the Black Mirror version where you install a chip in your temple. That seems to work pretty well in that universe, so it should serve our needs too.
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Musk is working on it.

Edit: I'm generally of the opinion is that there is no way someone is implanting a microchip in my brain. But if I was in a accident and become a quadriplegic, and the only way to regain the use of my limbs was to get a chip implanted in my brain then I'd probably do it.
 
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Some of these posts remind me of that pre-internet Bill Gates/Letterman interview.

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Willie Neslon said:
Some of these posts remind me of that pre-internet Bill Gates/Letterman interview.

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The reason why this analogy doesn't work is because video game companies have been trying to make VR happen for quite a while now, and consumers keep rejecting it. They tried the same thing with motion controls and that flopped too. Screens and manual input devices work really well, which is why these goofy-looking headsets haven't caught on except as novelty devices.

Sometimes the technology that nobody wants isn't actually the next internet but is just a bad idea. This is one of those IMO.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Willie Neslon said:
Some of these posts remind me of that pre-internet Bill Gates/Letterman interview.

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The reason why this analogy doesn't work is because video game companies have been trying to make VR happen for quite a while now, and consumers keep rejecting it. They tried the same thing with motion controls and that flopped too. Screens and manual input devices work really well, which is why these goofy-looking headsets haven't caught on except as novelty devices.

Sometimes the technology that nobody wants isn't actually the next internet but is just a bad idea. This is one of those IMO.
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I disagree. What Letterman couldn't see was that the internet/pc would combine all of those devices he mentioned and many others into a single device. We're currently down to 3 two-dimensional screens that we basically live on: phone, computer and tv. This Vision Pro combines those three screens into a single, much more immersive device. And this is just the first version of this particular device. Imagine what it will be in 10 or 20 years. You can say it's a novelty device and you'll keep using your tv, laptop and phone but one day in the near future they're going to be as antiquated as the Walkman. I'm not saying it's going to happen instantly with this headset but if not this, eventually something similar but more advanced/more affordable will come along and the world will change. It's inevitable.
 
Willie Neslon said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Willie Neslon said:
Some of these posts remind me of that pre-internet Bill Gates/Letterman interview.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
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The reason why this analogy doesn't work is because video game companies have been trying to make VR happen for quite a while now, and consumers keep rejecting it. They tried the same thing with motion controls and that flopped too. Screens and manual input devices work really well, which is why these goofy-looking headsets haven't caught on except as novelty devices.

Sometimes the technology that nobody wants isn't actually the next internet but is just a bad idea. This is one of those IMO.
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I disagree. What Letterman couldn't see was that the internet/pc would combine all of those devices he mentioned and many others into a single device. We're currently down to 3 two-dimensional screens that we basically live on: phone, computer and tv. This Vision Pro combines those three screens into a single, much more immersive device. And this is just the first version of this particular device. Imagine what it will be in 10 or 20 years. You can say it's a novelty device and you'll keep using your tv, laptop and phone but one day in the near future they're going to be as antiquated as the Walkman. I'm not saying it's going to happen instantly with this headset but if not this, eventually something similar but more advanced/more affordable will come along and the world will change. It's inevitable.
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I don't know - I can be old guy looking at clouds but sitting there with a giant headset just seems dumb. If they could get this down to a "google glasses" then maybe. I don't need "everything" integrated. :shrug:
 
Capella said:
I used to think I would never be the old man refusing technology but I guess I will be. This stuff means nothing to me. Oh I can see a gallery sized picture of my kid eating a sandwich? WGAF? Why would anybody want that? I can watch a movie with these stupid goggles? Why wouldn’t I just watch it on my tv?

“When somebody comes in the room you’ll still be able to see them!” Yea I would because I would take the goggles off because I’m not a psycho.
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I'm fine being an old fart here.
One thing has become crystal clear over the last couple of decades.......humans weren't built for social media or to live "virtually".

The more we try to "connect" without actually being near people, the more our collective mental health suffers.

Maybe this could do some cool things, but I'm not seeing it. And if it's like most of the other wonderful technological advances of the last couple of decades, it will help us get more depressed and in debt.
 
I have a Oculus Quest 2, and use it in spurts. I was set to upgrade to the 3 when it comes out. I even considered the pro when the price dropped to $1,000. When Apple announced the $3,500 price yesterday, I said “nope”. After seeing some reviews, I’m thinking probably not. I give it a couple of days to yell ”take my money NOW!”

The 3D review looked awesome.
 
Willie Neslon said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Willie Neslon said:
Some of these posts remind me of that pre-internet Bill Gates/Letterman interview.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
youtu.be youtu.be
Click to expand...
The reason why this analogy doesn't work is because video game companies have been trying to make VR happen for quite a while now, and consumers keep rejecting it. They tried the same thing with motion controls and that flopped too. Screens and manual input devices work really well, which is why these goofy-looking headsets haven't caught on except as novelty devices.

Sometimes the technology that nobody wants isn't actually the next internet but is just a bad idea. This is one of those IMO.
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I disagree. What Letterman couldn't see was that the internet/pc would combine all of those devices he mentioned and many others into a single device. We're currently down to 3 two-dimensional screens that we basically live on: phone, computer and tv. This Vision Pro combines those three screens into a single, much more immersive device. And this is just the first version of this particular device. Imagine what it will be in 10 or 20 years. You can say it's a novelty device and you'll keep using your tv, laptop and phone but one day in the near future they're going to be as antiquated as the Walkman. I'm not saying it's going to happen instantly with this headset but if not this, eventually something similar but more advanced/more affordable will come along and the world will change. It's inevitable.
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It's inevitable when they shrink this down to a normal pair of glasses. Until then, it's super-evitable. Consumers have been evitable-ing this entire line of technology for at least a decade.
 
This technology could plant some deep roots in the blue-collar maintenance/repair world (automotive and HVAC leap to mind)
 
Mister CIA said:
This technology could plant some deep roots in the blue-collar maintenance/repair world (automotive and HVAC leap to mind)
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Could? Augmented reality in repair, maintenance, etc. has been happening for quite a while.

Always amusing when Apple follows into a market and people think of it as innovation. They are first rate at design, but rarely if at all first to market.
 
D-Day said:
I have a Oculus Quest 2, and use it in spurts. I was set to upgrade to the 3 when it comes out. I even considered the pro when the price dropped to $1,000. When Apple announced the $3,500 price yesterday, I said “nope”. After seeing some reviews, I’m thinking probably not. I give it a couple of days to yell ”take my money NOW!”

The 3D review looked awesome.
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Spurts, huh.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Willie Neslon said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Willie Neslon said:
Some of these posts remind me of that pre-internet Bill Gates/Letterman interview.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
youtu.be youtu.be
Click to expand...
The reason why this analogy doesn't work is because video game companies have been trying to make VR happen for quite a while now, and consumers keep rejecting it. They tried the same thing with motion controls and that flopped too. Screens and manual input devices work really well, which is why these goofy-looking headsets haven't caught on except as novelty devices.

Sometimes the technology that nobody wants isn't actually the next internet but is just a bad idea. This is one of those IMO.
Click to expand...
I disagree. What Letterman couldn't see was that the internet/pc would combine all of those devices he mentioned and many others into a single device. We're currently down to 3 two-dimensional screens that we basically live on: phone, computer and tv. This Vision Pro combines those three screens into a single, much more immersive device. And this is just the first version of this particular device. Imagine what it will be in 10 or 20 years. You can say it's a novelty device and you'll keep using your tv, laptop and phone but one day in the near future they're going to be as antiquated as the Walkman. I'm not saying it's going to happen instantly with this headset but if not this, eventually something similar but more advanced/more affordable will come along and the world will change. It's inevitable.
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It's inevitable when they shrink this down to a normal pair of glasses. Until then, it's super-evitable. Consumers have been evitable-ing this entire line of technology for at least a decade.
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Is the whole tech here having two screens and eye tracking? Is that feasible in a glasses package without them having a seal?
 
I have a Quest 2 and it's fun enough, but not the future. I've always thought AR was the future more than VR.

As Ivan said, these things are never going to be mainstream until they're as easy to put on as a pair of sunglasses, and that will take time. There are tons of practical problems with this headset. It's bulky and heavy, the battery is external, the battery life is terrible, and of course, the price.

But I watched the early impressions some of the more honest tech guys had and while they all cited those as major issues in its current form, the all thought the interface was pretty phenomenal.

There's a reason AR is in every sci-fi movie, just like tablets used to be. It just makes too much sense. There are limitations for now, but they're all practical limitations (mainly processing power relative to the size of device) that get lessor and lessor every year as computing constantly gets smaller and faster. They'll be overcome eventually and when they are, there's no better interface than being able to essentially put a full blown computer into any space without taking up any actual space, all with an interface better than an actual computer.
 
GroveDiesel said:
This is basically just a more powerful version of Google Glass which flopped hard, right?
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It did. But once it gets so advanced and you can just have this minimized to "wearing contact lenses" a lot of the people that are "scared of looking like a dork" will come to the market. And by that point, there should be much more advances to what it can do and how it works. Then down the line, be linked to some sort of "neuralink" type device, and we all will become some version of a cyborg, where the average dude/human "without" these devices will be kinda left behind.
 
Terpman22 said:
GroveDiesel said:
This is basically just a more powerful version of Google Glass which flopped hard, right?
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It did. But once it gets so advanced and you can just have this minimized to "wearing contact lenses" a lot of the people that are "scared of looking like a dork" will come to the market. And by that point, there should be much more advances to what it can do and how it works. Then down the line, be linked to some sort of "neuralink" type device, and we all will become some version of a cyborg, where the average dude/human "without" these devices will be kinda left behind.
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That's great. I spent 5k for lasik just to go back to wearing contacts.
 
NutterButter said:
Terpman22 said:
GroveDiesel said:
This is basically just a more powerful version of Google Glass which flopped hard, right?
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It did. But once it gets so advanced and you can just have this minimized to "wearing contact lenses" a lot of the people that are "scared of looking like a dork" will come to the market. And by that point, there should be much more advances to what it can do and how it works. Then down the line, be linked to some sort of "neuralink" type device, and we all will become some version of a cyborg, where the average dude/human "without" these devices will be kinda left behind.
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That's great. I spent 5k for lasik just to go back to wearing contacts.
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What's 5k in the year 2045 though?
 
Terpman22 said:
NutterButter said:
Terpman22 said:
GroveDiesel said:
This is basically just a more powerful version of Google Glass which flopped hard, right?
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It did. But once it gets so advanced and you can just have this minimized to "wearing contact lenses" a lot of the people that are "scared of looking like a dork" will come to the market. And by that point, there should be much more advances to what it can do and how it works. Then down the line, be linked to some sort of "neuralink" type device, and we all will become some version of a cyborg, where the average dude/human "without" these devices will be kinda left behind.
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That's great. I spent 5k for lasik just to go back to wearing contacts.
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What's 5k in the year 2045 though?
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4K
 
From watching the mkbhd first review it doesn't feel like it has that many native apps, watching Netflix requires doing it thru a browser.

4k is ALOT for something like this. Can't see this catching on even with high quality native apps just for the cost.
 
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