I want all of this to be real but I cant get past how uneven his soul patch is.From 60mins tonight. Lots of we discussed here in this thread. Fascinating stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
It's like going to the zoo and watching the monkeys fling poo at each other.I think they come here to gawk at awful humans and are proud of the progress they've made. What else could it be, right?
Getting the Bigfoot cranks involved is a tell.My opinion is that the US military is behind all of this and these leaks and investigations are just to keep our adversaries guessing.
This and as someone pointed out it definitely keeps the military industrial complex humming alongMy opinion is that the US military is behind all of this and these leaks and investigations are just to keep our adversaries guessing.
When they see something like this on radar or infrared and record, why are they not investigating to get an actual visual? If they are out there every single day for over a year, why wouldn't a pilot investigate further?From 60mins tonight. Lots of we discussed here in this thread. Fascinating stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
This one is not directly relevant - but one of my favorites to ponder:
A Journey to the End of the Universe
They have. This is only what’s been released, and only because Mellon did it to the NYT after he became a citizen. Senator Harry Reid, who oversaw this, said what’s been released is just the tip of the iceberg.When they see something like this on radar or infrared and record, why are they not investigating to get an actual visual? If they are out there every single day for over a year, why wouldn't a pilot investigate further?
I have a friend who flew F14s in the Navy. He told me he has definitely encountered flying crafts with superior technology to anything he knew about.
Some have....I have a friend who flew F14s in the Navy. He told me he has definitely encountered flying crafts with superior technology to anything he knew about.
Is this him? If not why didn't he take a picture?
And this probably goes all the way back to Roswell.My opinion is that the US military is behind all of this and these leaks and investigations are just to keep our adversaries guessing.
That's what Mellon said on Shep tonight.And this probably goes all the way back to Roswell.
WHOAThis one is not directly relevant - but one of my favorites to ponder:
A Journey to the End of the Universe
Cool worlds has a bunch of awesome videos. It’s one of my favs.WHOAThis one is not directly relevant - but one of my favorites to ponder:
A Journey to the End of the Universe
Incredible channel.Cool worlds has a bunch of awesome videos. It’s one of my favs.
It's going to turn out that the entire Trump administration, covid pandemic, and BLM freak-out were all engineered to leave everyone so exhausted that we just shrug our shoulders at "Oh and by the way, aliens are real."The 60 minutes piece on this the other night was interesting. It’s leaves you with really only 3 options;
1. Aliens
2. Other countries with capabilities far more advanced than ours
3. False calculations which seems unlikely
Yep after 2020 nothing surprises me anymore. Aliens? Meh what else you got...It's going to turn out that the entire Trump administration, covid pandemic, and BLM freak-out were all engineered to leave everyone so exhausted that we just shrug our shoulders at "Oh and by the way, aliens are real."
No, there is another option that is possible (regardless of what Luis Elizondo said during the interview):The 60 minutes piece on this the other night was interesting. It’s leaves you with really only 3 options;
1. Aliens
2. Other countries with capabilities far more advanced than ours
3. False calculations which seems unlikely
Why would the the U.S. govt want to declassify their own technology? Also let’s be real, if the U.S. had this technology, the world would be on its knees right now.No, there is another option that is possible (regardless of what Luis Elizondo said during the interview):
These are crafts made by US secret programs, not the US government/military officially, but by TS/SCI programs that may have been in existence for decades in trying to re-engineer or reproduce one off's on what they've found over time.
(1) Their hand may be being forced in that members of the public, ex-military, "snitchers", etc. are possibly increasing over time and they want to get in front of the messaging (rather than being reactive). Also, they didn't declassify anything (for this report) other than their own footage from Comm. Fraver's squadron (zero idea whether that included IR and radar imaging) & they're selecting what footage, from whom, messaging from media, etc. as well as leaving the imaginations thinking "it's gotta be alien" -- they're not de-classifying this as US technology and giving anything away from what's been publicly seen on 60-minutes.Why would the the U.S. govt want to declassify their own technology? Also let’s be real, if the U.S. had this technology, the world would be on its knees right now.
So play this scenario out for me. If it’s some secret faction spec ops program... they’ve been outed sort of, what happens now?(1) Their hand may be being forced in that members of the public, ex-military, "snitchers", etc. are possibly increasing over time and they want to get in front of the messaging (rather than being reactive). Also, they didn't declassify anything (for this report) other than their own footage from Comm. Fraver's squadron (zero idea whether that included IR and radar imaging) & they're selecting what footage, from whom, messaging from media, etc. as well as leaving the imaginations thinking "it's gotta be alien" -- they're not de-classifying this as US technology and giving anything away from what's been publicly seen on 60-minutes.
(2) If the US had this technology, we would indeed be dominant; but, it could possibly be best to wait until it's absolutely necessary to come clean. And there could be a slew of potential problems that come with actually coming out about our own technology (including fessing up to own executive/legislative branches).
I'll leave this post with 2 quotes/links from American history:
Eisenhower
Reagan
Absolutely agree.These are highly credible people that are reporting these anomalies, and much of it is backed up by instrumentation.
You can plant me firmly in the camp that this technology is not man made. The stealth aircraft, when it first came out, was considered alien technology but for all the whiz bang cool stuff stealth tech did, it wasn't out of the realm of possibility. Meaning you could get it in your head that this tech was possible given our capabilities. The stuff we have seen on video, specifically the tic tac vid, there is no way I can see us or any other world government having that tech available and mastered. It requires generational advancement that just doesn't exist right now.No, there is another option that is possible (regardless of what Luis Elizondo said during the interview):
These are crafts made by US secret programs. Not the US government/military officially, but by TS/SCI programs that may have been in existence for decades in trying to re-engineer or reproduce one off's on what they've found over time.
Well I suppose the good news is they could have blown us completely away by now. The bad news is some of the reasons they may have for not completely blowing us away by now. I can’t imagine an outsider POV would see earth as a bunch of cool people they’d want to interact with.I never thought I’d say this, but I think it’s otherworldly. Given the size and scope of the universe it is highly unlikely that other life forms haven’t developed such a capability. I think the only thing holding us back from acknowledging this is the stigma associated with believing in aliens. These are highly credible people that are reporting these anomalies, and much of it is backed up by instrumentation.
Again, how has some secret faction ops program (as you put it) been "outed"? Elizondo himself says in the 60-minutes interview that it is not from the US -- should anyone choose to believe the footage, the implication is that it is alien (not US technology). Why would Elizondo (an "ex-" intelligence officer) choose to "come clean"? One guess is, as mentioned, to be proactively in front of the messaging for the gain of the defense industrial complex.So play this scenario out for me. If it’s some secret faction spec ops program... they’ve been outed sort of, what happens now?
There is a reason for the graininess of the photos -- they want them to be that waywe can do this, flight radar take these pics, hubble and so much more.
but can't manage a single decent image of these UFOs. seems iffy
yea but....joe rogan. i'll passI highly recommend the Chris Mellon interview on Joe Rogan. It’s a 3hr deep dive into the topic with a top level intelligence official.
Umm, OK. Not sure what that has to do with anything but hey do you.yea but....joe rogan. i'll pass
This is where I’m at.Well I suppose the good news is they could have blown us completely away by now. The bad news is some of the reasons they may have for not completely blowing us away by now. I can’t imagine an outsider POV would see earth as a bunch of cool people they’d want to interact with.
This has been my general contention for a long time. Over the last couple years my thinking on this changed largely due to analyzing how quickly our technology is progressing at this point. It wouldn’t take a civilization to be much older than us say a few hundred years, thousand years, to be able to possess technology that wouldn’t even be recognizable to us it’s so far advanced.I am absolutely certain there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I just think the vastness of space makes it unlikely we'll ever be contacted by them.
As a higher life form I bet they don’t view us as a threat. Maybe they are just monitoring us to see how we evolve, kind of like a science experiment. Maybe they terraformed the Earth and we literally are their science experiment. It would be like us viewing a very primitive life form - we’d probably monitor it out of curiosity but not interfere. Maybe they can’t truly interfere or interact with us - they may have just found a way to enter into this slice of space time where physical interactions isn’t possible. Could be our future selves traveling back in time.Well I suppose the good news is they could have blown us completely away by now. The bad news is some of the reasons they may have for not completely blowing us away by now. I can’t imagine an outsider POV would see earth as a bunch of cool people they’d want to interact with.
We are too wrapped up in the limitations of the speed of light and how we currently view things. We already know for certain that communication is possible at faster than the speed of light through quantum entanglement. It is not that much of a stretch to then imagine a scenario where something - say a spaceship or a being - is broken down into quantum particles, then sent somewhere and reassembled instantaneously (Beam me up Scotty). Or perhaps wormholes exist, or ways to fold the fabric of space time or cross into different dimensions that we aren’t even aware of today. One thing is for certain - as much as we think we know, we really only comprehend a small sliver of reality.I am absolutely certain there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I just think the vastness of space makes it unlikely we'll ever be contacted by them.
It's exactly this that continues to bother me. I completely understand where you, Sinn Fein (and the video he posted) are coming from -- but our concepts of linear travel as a species are 100-yrs old.I am absolutely certain there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I just think the vastness of space makes it unlikely we'll ever be contacted by them.
So I’m going to tease this out a bit just because I find the possibilities interesting. So let’s suppose for the sake of this post that these ships are non-terrestrial life forms.As a higher life form I bet they don’t view us as a threat. Maybe they are just monitoring us to see how we evolve, kind of like a science experiment. Maybe they terraformed the Earth and we literally are their science experiment. It would be like us viewing a very primitive life form - we’d probably monitor it out of curiosity but not interfere. Maybe they can’t truly interfere or interact with us - they may have just found a way to enter into this slice of space time where physical interactions isn’t possible. Could be our future selves traveling back in time.
My opinion, they know we can't do anything about them so why not broadcast your presence? Evidence seems to support we've had visitors for a little while now (depending on your views, eons or decades). They've probably become comfortable with our capabilities and don't really feel the need to cover their tracks. Just spitballin'You have to cede that they’re far more advanced. However, not advanced enough that they were able to completely mask their presence. You also have to explore the possibility that they can travel at speeds beyond what our science currently allows? Maybe? It would be from somewhere well past the observable universe.
Meh. We're pretty hearty. We're pretty tasty. We can be a lot of fun.No civilization that was as advanced as it would take to travel here would be interested in traveling here.