Are Aliens Visiting Us? (1 Viewer)

[beer 30]

I get that Rogan has a huge audience. But man he seems like a real tool. If I was Ken Burns type famous I doubt I would stoop to Rogan level media despite the eyes and ears he gets

Probably part of the reason you haven't reached Ken Burns level of stardom, just spitballing.

As for the movie, I inadvertently ran across a couple of links to it on Youtube that were taken down almost as fast as they went up so didn't see any of it. Just about finished with the Rogan interview and it's intriguing enough that I'll watch it at some point, just not at $25.

 

[the moops]

Probably part of the reason you haven't reached Ken Burns level of stardom, just spitballing.

This seems unnecessarily mean

 

[dutch]

So as counter to the doc, I read this from Skeptic . It does a fine job of articulating my thoughts before I watch the Age of Disclosure. Why not watch the doc yourself and then come to a conclusion, you ask? Because none of this seems new to me, all the arguments being presented and the photos and videos being discussed have been thrown around for as long as I can remember so why go down the rabbit hole again to find myself at the same place. Anyway, offering this up as an alternative view.

 

[the moops]

So as counter to the doc, I read this from Skeptic . It does a fine job of articulating my thoughts before I watch the Age of Disclosure. Why not watch the doc yourself and then come to a conclusion, you ask? Because none of this seems new to me, all the arguments being presented and the photos and videos being discussed have been thrown around for as long as I can remember so why go down the rabbit hole again to find myself at the same place. Anyway, offering this up as an alternative view.

Good stuff. I think this is the gist of the whole thing

What scientists and skeptics are asking of the UFO and UAP community is to, at long last, show us the evidence. We have been hearing of pending disclosure for half a century and are always left wanting. We don’t need to know your credentials, how many years you worked for the U.S. government or military, or how strongly you believe that what you saw was aliens or alien craft; just show us what you claim is here and we will all believe. QED!

 

[beer 30]

So as counter to the doc, I read this from Skeptic . It does a fine job of articulating my thoughts before I watch the Age of Disclosure. Why not watch the doc yourself and then come to a conclusion, you ask? Because none of this seems new to me, all the arguments being presented and the photos and videos being discussed have been thrown around for as long as I can remember so why go down the rabbit hole again to find myself at the same place. Anyway, offering this up as an alternative view.

Good stuff. I think this is the gist of the whole thing

What scientists and skeptics are asking of the UFO and UAP community is to, at long last, show us the evidence. We have been hearing of pending disclosure for half a century and are always left wanting. We don’t need to know your credentials, how many years you worked for the U.S. government or military, or how strongly you believe that what you saw was aliens or alien craft; just show us what you claim is here and we will all believe. QED!

This is where I'm at with the whole thing. Just quit ****ing around and show us. Grant immunity to whoever so we can get past all the BS and dump the truth. If it upends society so be it, I'm ready for a reset.

 

[dutch]

So as counter to the doc, I read this from Skeptic . It does a fine job of articulating my thoughts before I watch the Age of Disclosure. Why not watch the doc yourself and then come to a conclusion, you ask? Because none of this seems new to me, all the arguments being presented and the photos and videos being discussed have been thrown around for as long as I can remember so why go down the rabbit hole again to find myself at the same place. Anyway, offering this up as an alternative view.

Good stuff. I think this is the gist of the whole thing

What scientists and skeptics are asking of the UFO and UAP community is to, at long last, show us the evidence. We have been hearing of pending disclosure for half a century and are always left wanting. We don’t need to know your credentials, how many years you worked for the U.S. government or military, or how strongly you believe that what you saw was aliens or alien craft; just show us what you claim is here and we will all believe. QED!

This is where I'm at with the whole thing. Just quit ****ing around and show us. Grant immunity to whoever so we can get past all the BS and dump the truth. If it upends society so be it, I'm ready for a reset.

Yes!!!

 

[TripItUp]

Good stuff. I think this is the gist of the whole thing

What scientists and skeptics are asking of the UFO and UAP community is to, at long last, show us the evidence. We have been hearing of pending disclosure for half a century and are always left wanting. We don’t need to know your credentials, how many years you worked for the U.S. government or military, or how strongly you believe that what you saw was aliens or alien craft; just show us what you claim is here and we will all believe. QED!

the tic tac video is the best proof I've ever seen. And because it was recently presented in a congressional hearing with no conclusions as to what it was, I'm more interested than I've ever been.

why is this being discredited as proof by some?

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Something physical. Or, something that isn’t grainy, a blip on a screen, etc.

 

[the moops]

Good stuff. I think this is the gist of the whole thing

What scientists and skeptics are asking of the UFO and UAP community is to, at long last, show us the evidence. We have been hearing of pending disclosure for half a century and are always left wanting. We don’t need to know your credentials, how many years you worked for the U.S. government or military, or how strongly you believe that what you saw was aliens or alien craft; just show us what you claim is here and we will all believe. QED!

the tic tac video is the best proof I've ever seen. And because it was recently presented in a congressional hearing with no conclusions as to what it was, I'm more interested than I've ever been.

why is this being discredited as proof by some?

Which video is this now?

 

[the moops]

Actual crafts?

This would be helpful

 

[dutch]

Or some of the stuff that those who say "you wouldn't believe what I saw when I worked for ABC agency!" like maybe the photos and reports being hidden by the governments of the world.

 

[the moops]

Another good part of that Skeptic article

The film then reviews most of the standard UAP pilot accounts, such as this from Navy pilot Ryan Graves: “They [UAPs] were ubiquitous. We were seeing them almost daily.” If true, given that nearly every commercial airline passenger has a smart phone with a high-definition camera at the ready, there should be thousands of clear and unmistakable photographs and videos of these UAPs. To date there is not one. Nada. Zilch. Here the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

 

[dutch]

When has Any government been able to keep a lid on any project that would be as explosive as real evidence of extra terrestrials being on earth? And for umpteen decades now??

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Something physical. Or, something that isn’t grainy, a blip on a screen, etc.

And you'd believe it isn't AI or man made? This is where i don't think we'll ever have "evidence". Credible people will still say an actual craft is man made, 4k video AI imo. There's always going to be an argument about what's real and what isn't.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

To date there is not one. Nada. Zilch. Here the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Is this true? There's lots of pics and vids they're just explained away. How would you know a real pic from a fake?

 

[beer 30]

Something physical. Or, something that isn’t grainy, a blip on a screen, etc.

The producer on Rogan, Dan Farah, had what I thought was a reasonable why to this question, if the aliens really have perfected a "warp drive" we can't see them clearly because they are warping space & time. Seems as logical as anything else I've heard.

I also feel like there are detailed 8k videos/photos all over Washington in secret vaults that we will never see so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

 

[dkp993]

Another good part of that Skeptic article

The film then reviews most of the standard UAP pilot accounts, such as this from Navy pilot Ryan Graves: “They [UAPs] were ubiquitous. We were seeing them almost daily.” If true, given that nearly every commercial airline passenger has a smart phone with a high-definition camera at the ready, there should be thousands of clear and unmistakable photographs and videos of these UAPs. To date there is not one. Nada. Zilch. Here the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

I really question people like this when they say things like this….. “ Here the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.”. Most of this article is about complaining about the evidence provided saying it’s grainy or not up to his standards, then he says there is an absence of evidence there for that proves there nothing there. What is it, is there no evidence or is the abundance of evidence crap? Pick an argument.

 

[urbanhack]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Here's what I want to know...

There are literally thousands upon thousands of videos, sightings, reportings, etc. over just the last few decades or last half century. This is such a small blip of time when you consider things such as light years, the history of the universe, etc. Are all of these sightings from the same species of aliens or the same planet? If so, why haven't they made contact yet. And if they are not all from the same place you really think there are that many different forms of life that have all just traveled here, again, with question why has none of them made more contact or presented more tangible signs of life or whatever. In either case, it doesn't add up.

 

[the moops]

The producer on Rogan, Dan Farah, had what I thought was a reasonable why to this question, if the aliens really have perfected a "warp drive" we can't see them clearly because they are warping space & time. Seems as logical as anything else I've heard.

Oh so we can’t see them because they are invisible. How convenient

 

[Scoresman]

Haven't watched the doc, but are we really all believing alien visitors are real now? This thread seemingly took a 180 on this topic and I'm really confused.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Something physical. Or, something that isn’t grainy, a blip on a screen, etc.

And you'd believe it isn't AI or man made? This is where i don't think we'll ever have "evidence". Credible people will still say an actual craft is man made, 4k video AI imo. There's always going to be an argument about what's real and what isn't.

Good point about the videos. Thinking about it more, it would be difficult for me to believe (let alone to the level of proof) any singular video that would come out.

 

[the moops]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

 

[dutch]

The producer on Rogan, Dan Farah, had what I thought was a reasonable why to this question, if the aliens really have perfected a "warp drive" we can't see them clearly because they are warping space & time. Seems as logical as anything else I've heard.

Oh so we can’t see them because they are invisible. How convenient

From the article:
"On this matter I am reminded of the comedian Mitch Hedberg’s riff on why photos of Bigfoot are blurry: “It’s not the photographers, it’s the subject. I think Bigfoot is just fuzzy. You know, I think there’s a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run, he’s fuzzy!”

In UAP circles, life imitates art. Radar signals, we are told in the film by Eric Davis, cannot detect UAPs “because the signal just moves around the bubble and doesn’t reflect back to the radar operator.” Here is Hal Puthoff in full Hedberg mode: “This explains why people who take a photo of a UAP get a fuzzy and distorted picture because they’re actually taking a photo through a spacetime barrier.”

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Here's what I want to know...

There are literally thousands upon thousands of videos, sightings, reportings, etc. over just the last few decades or last half century. This is such a small blip of time when you consider things such as light years, the history of the universe, etc. Are all of these sightings from the same species of aliens or the same planet? If so, why haven't they made contact yet. And if they are not all from the same place you really think there are that many different forms of life that have all just traveled here, again, with question why has none of them made more contact or presented more tangible signs of life or whatever. In either case, it doesn't add up.

Good questions. I also wish we had real answers to them. I believe the doc makes reference to some of this, but evidence/answers to these questions can't really be answered unless there really are visitors and they want to explain.

I will say that imo anyway you can't really make the assumption that they would travel like we travel, look like we look, are necessarily carbon based life, that civilizations 1000s of years (or more) advanced than us would resemble anything we would be familiar with, ect. If they're real that is, which isn't what I'm saying.

 

[WDIK2]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Here's what I want to know...

There are literally thousands upon thousands of videos, sightings, reportings, etc. over just the last few decades or last half century. This is such a small blip of time when you consider things such as light years, the history of the universe, etc. Are all of these sightings from the same species of aliens or the same planet? If so, why haven't they made contact yet. And if they are not all from the same place you really think there are that many different forms of life that have all just traveled here, again, with question why has none of them made more contact or presented more tangible signs of life or whatever. In either case, it doesn't add up.

From information presented in the doc, not my own opinion, it is multiple species. Testimony also presented in the doc is that they have made contact. One of the participants in the doc claims to have witnessed a craft land on a military base, exit the craft and communicate with military personnel.

 

[bolzano]

What does the evidence that people want to see look like? In 2025 i see actual hard truth being denied by far too many people and so i ask myself what "evidence" would look like. World leaders having a press conference? Reversed engineered crafts? Actual crafts? An independence day type event where we all see things at the same time? Everyone wants evidence, but i guess i don't know what would be considered proof. Outside of the independence day event I'm not sure those other points would cut it since it would still require trust in those presenting the evidence.

Here's what I want to know...

There are literally thousands upon thousands of videos, sightings, reportings, etc. over just the last few decades or last half century. This is such a small blip of time when you consider things such as light years, the history of the universe, etc. Are all of these sightings from the same species of aliens or the same planet? If so, why haven't they made contact yet. And if they are not all from the same place you really think there are that many different forms of life that have all just traveled here, again, with question why has none of them made more contact or presented more tangible signs of life or whatever. In either case, it doesn't add up.

Good questions. I also wish we had real answers to them. I believe the doc makes reference to some of this, but evidence/answers to these questions can't really be answered unless there really are visitors and they want to explain.

I will say that imo anyway you can't really make the assumption that they would travel like we travel, look like we look, are necessarily carbon based life, that civilizations 1000s of years (or more) advanced than us would resemble anything we would be familiar with, ect. If they're real that is, which isn't what I'm saying.

If we are being “visited” by aliens, I’d assume that most of sightings have been of reconnaissance drones. Indeed, that’s the direction that our aerospace tech has evolved over the past 30 years. So, that’s what I’d expect from a more advanced species.

 

[zoonation]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

 

[zoonation]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

Quick version here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JTKxqvmn1Cs

But he has a whole special on YouTube on it.

 

[foxco]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

From what we can tell from our world life sprang up almost as soon as planetary conditions allowed, which would lead us to believe that perhaps life is common. But, *intelligent* life is an entirely different story. It doesn't appear that intelligence is an automatic part of evolution, just one possibility. We've only had real intelligence for about a hundred thousand years compared to billions of years of life on this planet, so that would lead us to believe that intelligence may be quite rare. With a sample size of one there's a huge margin of error on all this, so could be all wrong or missing important variables etc.

 

[Scoresman]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

From what we can tell from our world life sprang up almost as soon as planetary conditions allowed, which would lead us to believe that perhaps life is common. But, *intelligent* life is an entirely different story. It doesn't appear that intelligence is an automatic part of evolution, just one possibility. We've only had real intelligence for about a hundred thousand years compared to billions of years of life on this planet, so that would lead us to believe that intelligence may be quite rare. With a sample size of one there's a huge margin of error on all this, so could be all wrong or missing important variables etc.

What's crazy to think about is how long the dinosaurs were around and how it hasn't been that long since they went extinct. If that meteor does not hit when it did, they would still be here and we wouldn't.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Although I'm no biologist, I always thought life + time will lead to intelligent life.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

Quick version here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JTKxqvmn1Cs

But he has a whole special on YouTube on it.

Obviously he's very very smart, much smarter than I am and this makes sense, but he's making an assumption that all life evolves similarly. He made a disclaimer that we just don't know and is basing it on evolution similar to earth. It's probably a wise assumption with what we know, which unfortunately is very little.

It goes back to a flaw i think we make and that's expecting our limited knowledge to hold up against everything we don't know. Is water required for all life? Is all life carbon based? Do we have physics all worked out? Something new always comes along to surprise us.

Going to look up the longer version. I like Brian Cox and how he presents information and I'm sure it's worth a watch.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

From what we can tell from our world life sprang up almost as soon as planetary conditions allowed, which would lead us to believe that perhaps life is common. But, *intelligent* life is an entirely different story. It doesn't appear that intelligence is an automatic part of evolution, just one possibility. We've only had real intelligence for about a hundred thousand years compared to billions of years of life on this planet, so that would lead us to believe that intelligence may be quite rare. With a sample size of one there's a huge margin of error on all this, so could be all wrong or missing important variables etc.

Here's where we have to define intelligence. Is mearly recognizing light and dark intelligence or do we need to be able to do basic math to qualify?

 

[beer 30]

The producer on Rogan, Dan Farah, had what I thought was a reasonable why to this question, if the aliens really have perfected a "warp drive" we can't see them clearly because they are warping space & time. Seems as logical as anything else I've heard.

Oh so we can’t see them because they are invisible. How convenient

No, we see them, we just don't see the detail we're accustomed to. @dutch nailed it, we see them as fuzzy because we can't see inside the bubble, we just kinda see the bubble.

 

[Juxtatarot]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

Quick version here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JTKxqvmn1Cs

But he has a whole special on YouTube on it.

He is just saying they might be rare in the galaxy.

 

[massraider]

And you'd believe it isn't AI or man made? This is where i don't think we'll ever have "evidence". Credible people will still say an actual craft is man made, 4k video AI imo. There's always going to be an argument about what's real and what isn't.

Pics or videos of something that aren't easily explainable or make a bunch of military types (with EXTREME CREDIBILITY!!!) wonder what they are looking at, is evidence that some guys saw something they cannot explain.

That's all.

If someone cannot tell us for sure what something is, it is not evidence of aliens visiting us. No one knows what it is. I am willing to believe some unexplained things have been captured on video. Beyond that, yeah, show me. Because 'what else could it be?' doesn't move the needle for me.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Here's something that i find to be problematic. It seems this image of "grays" or whatever you want to call them is pretty standard from the accounts from those claiming to have seen actual beings. Isn't it a bit convenient that another species from another planet would be so similar in form?

I've seen different explanations for this, but it's something i wouldn't expect with infinite evolutionary possibilities.

Is there an accepted explanation for this in the disclosure community?

 

[beer 30]

Although I'm no biologist, I always thought life + time will lead to intelligent life.

Never been to Akron, huh?

I'll see myself out

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

And you'd believe it isn't AI or man made? This is where i don't think we'll ever have "evidence". Credible people will still say an actual craft is man made, 4k video AI imo. There's always going to be an argument about what's real and what isn't.

Pics or videos of something that aren't easily explainable or make a bunch of military types (with EXTREME CREDIBILITY!!!) wonder what they are looking at, is evidence that some guys saw something they cannot explain.

That's all.

If someone cannot tell us for sure what something is, it is not evidence of aliens visiting us. No one knows what it is. I am willing to believe some unexplained things have been captured on video. Beyond that, yeah, show me. Because 'what else could it be?' doesn't move the needle for me.

Yeah, that makes sense. I think for me I've seen enough that i do believe there's enough smoke to validate taking a longer look at it all. We're at a standstill from here though and I'm with you. They have my attention, but I'm gonna need the goods to fully commit.

I'm 2 toes in, so it might take less than a full blown skeptic which is why i ask, what exactly does evidence look like? Everyone wants to be shown something, but shown what that you would actually believe.

 

[foxco]

Although I'm no biologist, I always thought life + time will lead to intelligent life.

We've had life on Earth for 3.7 billion years and possibly as far back as 4.1, as soon as it cooled and had water. Intelligent life for appox 100-300k years, which is a ridiculously short time, a literal blink of the eye on the life timeline. Based on this, it seems like intelligence is one potential evolutionary track but it's one of many and could be rare. If we die off without destroying the planet, the Earth will have plenty of time to churn another intelligent species before the sun gets too hot for life.

 

[zoonation]

And while I am certainly a "aliens are visiting us" skeptic, I fully believe there is other life out there somewhere

"life"? almost certainly. intelligent life akin to humans? probably, but far more uncertain. Brian Cox explains this well.

Really? I'm familiar with Brian Cox and if you have a link I'd be interested.

I would think in the vastness of the universe and with our limited knowledge we'd be pretty primitive on a scale so large.

Quick version here: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JTKxqvmn1Cs

But he has a whole special on YouTube on it.

He is just saying they might be rare in the galaxy.

I think the same analysis applies in every galaxy given the age of the universe? I mean, there are billions of galaxies, so I am betting on intelligent life elsewhere, but I think it is safe to assume it is exceedingly rare.

As noted above, but for the meteor strike, the dinos are still running this planet. They weren't getting to the moon anytime soon.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Although I'm no biologist, I always thought life + time will lead to intelligent life.

We've had life on Earth for 3.7 billion years and possibly as far back as 4.1, as soon as it cooled and had water. Intelligent life for appox 100-300k years, which is a ridiculously short time, a literal blink of the eye on the life timeline. Based on this, it seems like intelligence is one potential evolutionary track but it's one of many and could be rare. If we die off without destroying the planet, the Earth will have plenty of time to churn another intelligent species before the sun gets too hot for life.

I was reading about this after I posted that. It's also important to define what is meant by "intelligent life". I could certainly make a case that dolphins are intelligent life but for many reasons they don't seem capable of ever building systems to contact or visit other worlds. This last part is critical for the purposes of most discussions like this.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Intelligent life for appox 100-300k

I don't think this is accurate even if you're applying using tools as the measuring stick for intelligence. Oldest known tools are 3.3 million years old.

I think even a 500 to 1000 year head start would be enough to dwarf our technology and knowledge of the universe.

 

[zoonation]

Intelligent life for appox 100-300k

I don't think this is accurate even if you're applying using tools as the measuring stick for intelligence. Oldest known tools are 3.3 million years old.

I think even a 500 to 1000 year had start would be enough to dwarf our technology and knowledge of the universe.

Assuming they survived that long, I think you are right. Hunams likely won't. Our AI overlords will be in charge before the LA summer olympics.

 

[foxco]

Although I'm no biologist, I always thought life + time will lead to intelligent life.

We've had life on Earth for 3.7 billion years and possibly as far back as 4.1, as soon as it cooled and had water. Intelligent life for appox 100-300k years, which is a ridiculously short time, a literal blink of the eye on the life timeline. Based on this, it seems like intelligence is one potential evolutionary track but it's one of many and could be rare. If we die off without destroying the planet, the Earth will have plenty of time to churn another intelligent species before the sun gets too hot for life.

I was reading about this after I posted that. It's also important to define what is meant by "intelligent life". I could certainly make a case that dolphins are intelligent life but for many reasons they don't seem capable of ever building systems to contact or visit other worlds. This last part is critical for the purposes of most discussions like this.

Good point, and it could be something like opposable thumbs keeping dolphins/whales from "building." They seem to have a language which would qualify as intelligent for me, but their physical makeup may not allow for them to truly take advantage of it.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Intelligent life for appox 100-300k

I don't think this is accurate even if you're applying using tools as the measuring stick for intelligence. Oldest known tools are 3.3 million years old.

I think even a 500 to 1000 year had start would be enough to dwarf our technology and knowledge of the universe.

Assuming they survived that long, I think you are right. Hunams likely won't. Our AI overlords will be in charge before the LA summer olympics.

Maybe it's their AI overlords visiting us.

 

[foxco]

Intelligent life for appox 100-300k

I don't think this is accurate even if you're applying using tools as the measuring stick for intelligence. Oldest known tools are 3.3 million years old.

I think even a 500 to 1000 year head start would be enough to dwarf our technology and knowledge of the universe.

I'm talking modern human intelligence, which is typically viewed as emerging 300,000 years or so, but certainly rudimentary intelligence was around before then, and if you believe Jurassic Park those Velociraptors could open doors etc...

But yeah, if a civilization was 500 years more advanced than our present state (assuming their technology exponentiates the way ours is now), they'd probably look like Gods to us. Or at least Loki.

 

[the moops]

The producer on Rogan, Dan Farah, had what I thought was a reasonable why to this question, if the aliens really have perfected a "warp drive" we can't see them clearly because they are warping space & time. Seems as logical as anything else I've heard.

Oh so we can’t see them because they are invisible. How convenient

No, we see them, we just don't see the detail we're accustomed to. @dutch nailed it, we see them as fuzzy because we can't see inside the bubble, we just kinda see the bubble.

Not buying it. Seems like a lazy excuse