Are reparations becoming a reality? What are the board thoughts on this? (2 Viewers)

[msommer]

How is this not a pole?

 

[Juxtatarot]

You guys are making Tim's point.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Maybe..if so the immigrants from Ireland might want to get a piece of that pie as well. Though not slaves they were used and abused as well.

 

My people better get some of this action.  

 

[Da Guru]

 

My people better get some of this action.  

Erin go Bragh!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Farming is unlike most businesses.  There are a lot of unforeseeable things that can happy to farmers that can completely ruin them without any outside help.  They have no control over weather or the market yet it can destroy their business.  The world needs farmers for just about everything we have and do so it's very important to keep them going.

This is not an argument for subsidies. It’s an argument for commodities futures markets, and for insurance markets.

 

[timschochet]

I agree with tim that there are extreme views on both sides and it doesn't hurt to acknowledge it even when its your team. (A pro-lifer could easily counter that we had one Dem governor talking coldly about a child born after an abortion being allowed to die and another being a bit distastefully giddy about a later term abortion bill he signed).  THAT SAID, there is clearly an abundance of disproportionate crazy on the right currently.  No doubt.

However, his overall point is weird in this thread.  Dem candidates are making reparations a real, live part of their primary campaign.  We can't talk about that idea in a thread?

Of course you can talk about it. We already have a whole thread devoted to it. 

But talk is all it ever amounts to. As a practical issue it’s a non starter. And it really serves no purpose other to push ourselves into the appropriate corners. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

What happens when you're a descendant of both?

Solid point.  I guess cut a check for a million, maybe two. 

 

[supermike80]

Capitalism: If you don't want to pay $27, don't go to Georgetown. 

Is that how it works?

 

[H Jass]

Of course you can talk about it. We already have a whole thread devoted to it. 

But talk is all it ever amounts to. As a practical issue it’s a non starter. And it really serves no purpose other to push ourselves into the appropriate corners. 

Ok. So I’ll mark you and squis in the never gonna be an issue despite nearly all the main Dem candidates addressing it column. I think it could likely become a plank of the main party platform. And as someone who really wants Trump out, I think that’d be a big mistake 

 

[NCCommish]

Here we have the senior Democratic Senator talking about her legislative efforts to force firearm confiscation on every American.  

She was clearly talking about assault weapons not every gun. See this is the standard thing try to take a quote out of context and build your case. Difference being I don't have to take anything out of context there was a literal hearing to make it a death penalty issue if you had an abortion. I don't have to make anything up, I don't have to cut the quote, I don't have to do anything except say look at what they're doing now. Like every environmental regulation that's been cut. Like how their new tax plan the top 10 states seeing higher refunds are red States the top 10 states seeing lower refunds are blue States I'm sure that was just an accident. I don't have to do anything but let Mike Pence talk for 5 minutes to prove where they are on gay rights or pointing to all the people in America right now ignoring the Supreme Court who won't do gay marriage. You know how they proved the gerrymandering in North Carolina was meant to dilute the black vote and disenfranchise black voters? They have the memos and the emails. It was the whole Focus of their gerrymander to dilute black voting power. I don't have to make anything up, don't have to do any deliberately iut of context quote so I can make it seem like somebody saying something they didn't.  You can read the emails.

So again spare me

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Reparations will never becoming a reality. but it does make a good meme for Fox, Breitbart and right wing talk radio.

The link was to CNN, chief

 

[Sand]

She was clearly talking about assault weapons not every gun. See this is the standard thing try to take a quote out of context and build your case.

Reading comprehension.  Read what I wrote.  I didn't say "all firearms".  She literally was talking about legislative action to confiscate firearms.

You assumed.  Perhaps next time read before writing.  TIA.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Race was my issue (grew up across the tracks from da hood) when i was a young radical, so i followed its progress fervently well after my activism. In the late 80s, when white people were normalizing their views on race, like America has with sexuality in the last decade, and Jesse Jackson's presidential candidacies had raised black political visibility and viability, reparations were in play. It was the only time i've seen where it was a turn-the-corner rather than a bust-down-the-door issue. Instead, black people largely chose ownership of the n-word on which to use their new political capital. While slapping down the careers of public figures who got caught and making their everyday white associates not even think about it had to have been satisfying, it was not progressive and cost them a generation of advancement. The issue has no center now - one fringe wants it bad and the other fringe wants em to even try.

ETA: In addition, in that hinge era of 80s-90s, Reaganomics had decimated social welfare and both whites & blacks were asking if we should fall back on old social welfare models (mind you EVERYbody was talking "workfare" over "welfare" then) or try sum new, so that would have been time to hand out 40 acres & a mule (or an education) to everybody and be done with it.

 

[jomar]

Maybe..if so the immigrants from Ireland might want to get a piece of that pie as well. Though not slaves they were used and abused as well.

I say this as an Irishman, equating what happened to my ancestors when they came to America and what happened to Africans brought over as slaves and their descendants is deplorable.  you've done it twice now

 

[timschochet]

Ok. So I’ll mark you and squis in the never gonna be an issue despite nearly all the main Dem candidates addressing it column. I think it could likely become a plank of the main party platform. And as someone who really wants Trump out, I think that’d be a big mistake 

Making abortion illegal has been on the Republican platform for what, going on 40 years now? 

 

[timschochet]

I say this as an Irishman, equating what happened to my ancestors when they came to America and what happened to Africans brought over as slaves and their descendants is deplorable.  you've done it twice now

The only people in this country that can compare themselves to African Americans, in terms of human misery, are indigenous. That’s it. No other group even comes close. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

The only people in this country that can compare themselves to African Americans, in terms of human misery, are indigenous. That’s it. No other group even comes close. 

 

[John Blutarsky]

Farming is unlike most businesses.  There are a lot of unforeseeable things that can happy to farmers that can completely ruin them without any outside help.  They have no control over weather or the market yet it can destroy their business.  The world needs farmers for just about everything we have and do so it's very important to keep them going.

My grandfather was a farmer and told me farmers are the biggest gamblers out there. You are right, there are so many things that can hurt them.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Is that how it works?

That's how this would work.

The student council at Georgetown passed a suggestion that they thought would be beneficial.  They wanted recognize specifically the 272 families of slaves owned and sold by the founders of the school.  

The referendum is not binding and will not take effect unless the board of trustees agrees on it.

This is a private institution conducting their own business and determining how they want to conduct themselves.

What is the problem?

 

[Hawkeye21]

My grandfather was a farmer and told me farmers are the biggest gamblers out there. You are right, there are so many things that can hurt them.

It's a huge gamble.  Luckily they have subsidies and insurance to help.

 

[unckeyherb]

Reparations will never becoming a reality. but it does make a good meme for Fox, Breitbart and right wing talk radio.

HUH?

 

[BroadwayG]

Maybe Congress will pass a Congress fee, where 100% of all Congressional lobbying dollars go to the descendants of slaves owned by our founding fathers.

 

[msommer]

Perhaps all living former slave owners should pay reparations to all living former slaves and then we can be done with it.

Then the head of state can issue a sincere apology that slavery was ever legal.

 

[Da Guru]

I say this as an Irishman, equating what happened to my ancestors when they came to America and what happened to Africans brought over as slaves and their descendants is deplorable.  you've done it twice now

Can you read?  Where did I equate it? I said "Might want a pie of that pie" Might....

It will never happen but If you are Irish then you already know this has been a discussion before.

 

[supermike80]

That's how this would work.

The student council at Georgetown passed a suggestion that they thought would be beneficial.  They wanted recognize specifically the 272 families of slaves owned and sold by the founders of the school.  

The referendum is not binding and will not take effect unless the board of trustees agrees on it.

This is a private institution conducting their own business and determining how they want to conduct themselves.

What is the problem?

I don't like it..That's my problem with it.  I thought I was pretty clear about that

Plus, I see it is a small step toward a larger reparations payout---and I'm not a fan at all of this.

 

[AAABatteries]

Once the primary is over Democrat discussions on this will cease.

At least until the next primary.

I think discussion around how to fix some of the inequality is a good thing - because it should be done whether actual reparations are discussed or not.  FTR, I'm not in favor of them nor am I a fan of using it to garner votes.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I don't like it..That's my problem with it.  I thought I was pretty clear about that

Plus, I see it is a small step toward a larger reparations payout---and I'm not a fan at all of this.

How would you feel about Georgetown deciding to slightly raise tuition and using that extra money on programs designed to benefit economically disadvantaged African-Americans in Washington D.C.?

 

[saintfool]

Then confiscate the retirement account of 80+ year olds to pay for this.

I have not owned a slave.  I did not participate in Jim Crow.  My ancestors came over in the late 1800s.  I have never discriminated against anyone in my life - and I've hired plenty of people in my career.  If you ram this through you're saying that I, as an individual, are responsible for the actions of previous inhabitants of this country.  You're telling me I'm a racist who needs to pay to fix my sins of which I've never committed.  

We define ourselves as a society that cherishes the concept of presumption of innocence.  This goes directly counter to that.

while we are a society that "cherishes the presumption of innocence", we are also a nation founded on the premise of slavery is acceptable and even necessary. Jim Crow and racial discrimination laws protected wealth, access to education and healthcare. whether or not you actively or consciously participated in any of this almost immaterial because you benefited from it. your ancestors - and by extension you - were likely able to enjoy a measure of socio-economic  mobility that most was simply denied to most of black America. those advantages are the foundation for the reparations argument. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

while we are a society that "cherishes the presumption of innocence", we are also a nation founded on the premise of slavery is acceptable and even necessary. Jim Crow and racial discrimination laws protected wealth, access to education and healthcare. whether or not you actively or consciously participated in any of this almost immaterial because you benefited from it. your ancestors - and by extension you - were likely able to enjoy a measure of socio-economic  mobility that most was simply denied to most of black America. those advantages are the foundation for the reparations argument. 

And yet the same folks who make that argument do not believe in tickle down economics.  In that case they see that the benefits do not distribute from the few privileged. 

The Civil war ended 155 years ago.  The Bakke decision came out 41 years ago. Brown v. Board of Education was 65 years ago.  Its been 50 years that Dr. King has been gone.  Time to let go in my estimation.    I do get that for some it will never be time to let it go.  They are not wrong, they are just different from me. 

I don't have any answers.  I do appreciate the discussion of folks like you.  Reading your arguments won't do me any harm, nor will considering and valuing your point of view, though you did not actually say that such was your point of view, just the justification for the argument. 

 

[Sand]

 we are also a nation founded on the premise of slavery is acceptable and even necessary. 

I seem to recall a war about this.  Maybe the bloodiest in US history.

Eh - I must be remembering things wrong in my dotage.

I do appreciate the discussion of folks like you.  Reading your arguments won't do me any harm, nor will considering and valuing your point of view, though you did not actually say that such was your point of view, just the justification for the argument. 

 

[msommer]

I seem to recall a war about this.  Maybe the bloodiest in US history.

Eh - I must be remembering things wrong in my dotage.

There was one. The winning side decided slavery was not acceptable

 

[supermike80]

How would you feel about Georgetown deciding to slightly raise tuition and using that extra money on programs designed to benefit economically disadvantaged African-Americans in Washington D.C.?

I'd be against it.  If you wanna expand to all people that are economically disadvantaged I might be ok with it.  But I'm against racism like this

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its an infrastructure investment where our country had previously devastated the infrastructure of that particular segment. And the outcome of it continues to be a problem for the entire country as that segment affects the other parts the country negatively.

 

[moleculo]

I feel like D's are framing race-based social programs (i.e. Affirmative Action) as reparations.  It's a way to placate those clammoring for reparations.  However, they are doing themselves a disservice.  The term "reparations" is a loaded term that the right had been demonizing as long as I can remember.  Labeling any social programs as "reparations" is a surefile way to turn Rush and his ditto-heads against you.

 

[wikkidpissah]

It's already been settled, folks - 40 acres & a mule to between 1.0-1.2million fams. it just ain't been paid.

 

[timschochet]

The Georgetown referendum was specifically designed to help direct descendants of slaves that were sold by Georgetown University. I don't believe that it addresses nationwide reparations. 

 

[Opie]

Will the payments be prorated based on the 350,000, mostly white Union soldiers who fought (and died) to free them?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Will the payments be prorated based on the 350,000, mostly white Union soldiers who fought (and died) to free them?

Since they were sold in 1838 I'm not sure how many were freed after the Civil War.  Regardless, most of their lives would have been in chains.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Will the payments be prorated based on the 350,000, mostly white Union soldiers who fought (and died) to free them?

Well the value of the labor (not considering the loss of income), minus food, lodging and the labor involved in keepin em beaten into shape, of slavery was @ $100quadrillion when last calculated in the 90s, so yeah - g'ahead take it out of petty cash even though that's less half the # of slaves who died in transit and it bein' a War of Secession & all. We can be just as magnaminous as y'all.

 

[Opie]

Well the value of the labor (not considering the loss of income), minus food, lodging and the labor involve in beating em into shape, of slavery was @ $100quadrillion when last calculated in the 90s, so yeah - g'ahead take it out of petty cash even though that's less half the # of slaves who died in transit and it bein' a War of Secession & all. We can be just as magnaminous as y'all.

So, the answer would be "no".  No credit given to those who died trying to right the wrong.

Got it.  

 

[wikkidpissah]

so yeah - g'ahead take it out of petty cash

So, the answer would be "no".  No credit given to those who died trying to right the wrong.

Got it.  

i was SURE you could read because of all the boilerplate talking points you bring here, but i presume guesstimated cut&pastes could explain you, too

 

[Ilov80s]

Will the payments be prorated based on the 350,000, mostly white Union soldiers who fought (and died) to free them?

Yes but it’s cancelled out by 400,000 Confederates who died to keep them slaves. 

 

[Opie]

i was SURE you could read because of all the boilerplate talking points you bring here, but i presume guesstimated cut&pastes could explain you, too

I know...it's all about buying the black vote.....

 

[Opie]

Yes but it’s cancelled out by 400,000 Confederates who died to keep them slaves. 

You mean those fought on the side of the Democrats?

The Democrats who then did everything they could to keep schools segregated and stuff like that?

 

[wikkidpissah]

I know...it's all about buying the black vote.....

You mean those fought on the side of the Democrats?

The Democrats who then did everything they could to keep schools segregated and stuff like that?

YOU win!!!!

never have we been so incisively reduced by a master rhetorician. and now that we're friends, i have a name to cite if i ever break down on a bridge...

 

[Redwes25]

It's a huge gamble.  Luckily they have subsidies and insurance to help.

I don’t feel like supporting their gambling. Food markets are hugely distorted by our and the EUs subsidies. They destroy third world economies and create awful products like corn syrup. I wish they were just removed. 

 

[Ilov80s]

You mean those fought on the side of the Democrats?

The Democrats who then did everything they could to keep schools segregated and stuff like that?

Yes the Democrats were the major problem and are the ones who “broke it” so we should force them to step up and be the ones to “buy it”. The Democrats should be responsible for figuring how to handle reparations. 

 

[Redwes25]

You mean those fought on the side of the Democrats?

The Democrats who then did everything they could to keep schools segregated and stuff like that?

 

[Hawkeye21]

I don’t feel like supporting their gambling. Food markets are hugely distorted by our and the EUs subsidies. They destroy third world economies and create awful products like corn syrup. I wish they were just removed. 

Your life kind of depends on the farmer’s survival so unless you come up with a better plan I think you’ll have to roll with it. 

 

[boots11234]

Democrats know this will never pass. Pandering to their base. Republicans do the same with different issues.