Are the mods so embarrassed (1 Viewer)

[MelvinTScupper]

That are never going to post results?Some of us who were NOT chosen are anxious to see what happened.LETS GO ALREADY!!!!

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Their rookies must have gagged.

 

[David Yudkin]

We have had some technical difficulties and a lot of administrative things going on and should be posting the first Survivor series on Wednesday (although that may not be a firm date).However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

 

[Caution]

i don't think anyone is all that concerned about the actual players, we just want to see the hysterical write ups...

 

[Joe T]

We have had some technical difficulties and a lot of administrative things going on and should be posting the first Survivor series on Wednesday (although that may not be a firm date).However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

At this point, I'm not too sure there even was a draft.Nice job stringing people along though.

 

[bagger]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

 

[slowerde]

i don't think anyone is all that concerned about the actual players, we just want to see the hysterical write ups...

LOLBut I actually do agree with Zippy.

 

[Joe T]

Staff Strategy = we are no where near the ice burgMessage Board Strategy = look at those idiots in the big black boat

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

 

[David Yudkin]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

Tell ya what, I'll worry about that when Week 9 comes around.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

igskinp:Good info here, keep it coming

 

[MelvinTScupper]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

and so it finally begins

 

[David Yudkin]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

 

[bagger]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

i agree that there were some message board members that unlucky picked who got caught with their pants down.i don't know if they didn't read some of the stuff i posted on our message board or just didn't believe me, but there was some scrambling by a few MB guys.the funny part is that the staff were like a bunch of robots in what they did...very predictable that was able to be exploited by a few of the more savvy message board members.

 

[Kleck.]

We have had some technical difficulties and a lot of administrative things going on and should be posting the first Survivor series on Wednesday (although that may not be a firm date).

How can there be "technical difficulties" when there are so many computer geeks on staff?First it was July 11th, then moved back a few days, then a few more... We get the picture. You're waiting for August 1st when all the material goes pay so the draft results cannot be posted or talked about on the message boards. That should save a few team bashings from the message board members here.

 

[David Yudkin]

We have had some technical difficulties and a lot of administrative things going on and should be posting the first Survivor series on Wednesday (although that may not be a firm date).

How can there be "technical difficulties" when there are so many computer geeks on staff?First it was July 11th, then moved back a few days, then a few more... We get the picture. You're waiting for August 1st when all the material goes pay so the draft results cannot be posted or talked about on the message boards. That should save a few team bashings from the message board members here.

There are a lot that goes on in running a website site, and I guess we recently switched equipment and are trting to do a lot in terms of formatting, order processing, email, content rollout, etc.I'm neither upper management nor one of the IT guys, so I am nor in the loop for any of that stuff.That's what they told us, so that's what I'm reporting.

 

[Kleck.]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

LOL at a "team" drafting strategy. Did you all choose to use that so if one staff member gets out early they can still claim victory if another staff member wins it all?

 

[Jason Wood]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

LOL at a "team" drafting strategy. Did you all choose to use that so if one staff member gets out early they can still claim victory if another staff member wins it all?

As we've discussed ad nauseum, for the first time ever, Survivor is being judged on team by team performance. Do I want to win it all? Yep. Do I think my team is a contender? Yep again. But was putting together a strategy that made it likely our TEAM would advance a majority of teams into the merge also factor into my decisions? YEP.

 

[David Yudkin]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

LOL at a "team" drafting strategy. Did you all choose to use that so if one staff member gets out early they can still claim victory if another staff member wins it all?

There is a point system for determining which team wins the competition, so our goal was to win the competition first and win the individual title second.

 

[Marc Levin]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger.  (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

'bagger, in your league, two MB guys have significantly worse bye week problems than Yudkin - one of whom will be losing with a very strong team before the merger unless he gets a fair bit of luck in week 7.Edit: but, as for your comment, I have to say - BUUUURN!

 

[Marc Levin]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

LOL at a "team" drafting strategy. Did you all choose to use that so if one staff member gets out early they can still claim victory if another staff member wins it all?

As we've discussed ad nauseum, for the first time ever, Survivor is being judged on team by team performance. Do I want to win it all? Yep. Do I think my team is a contender? Yep again. But was putting together a strategy that made it likely our TEAM would advance a majority of teams into the merge also factor into my decisions? YEP.

What he said. Something that blew by the MB crew, even after Joe and Unlucky made sure to make that point explicitly clear.Did you guys talk about a strategy for the MB TEAM to win?

 

[bagger]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger.  (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

'bagger, in your league, two MB guys have significantly worse bye week problems than Yudkin - one of whom will be losing with a very strong team before the merger unless he gets a fair bit of luck in week 7.Edit: but, as for your comment, I have to say - BUUUURN!

i only have control of who i drafted.i do not defend a few of the message boarders drafts.

 

[bagger]

Did you guys talk about a strategy for the MB TEAM to win?

no. i only care about myself.

 

[Will Grant]

MAN.. I thought being eliminated week 1 in Survivor II last year was bad.. :JoeT: I can only imagine the pain of being elimiated week 1 here....

 

[Marc Levin]

Did you guys talk about a strategy for the MB TEAM to win?

no. i only care about myself.

LOL!!Save it up for SOS, buddy.

 

[Joe T]

Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

what means this?

The Staff team had a TEAM drafting strategy in terms of targeting certain positions and overall roster composition. The Message Board team didn't.When you see what went down, you'll see who got caught without a seat in fantasy football's version of musical cahirs.

I don't think you were a part of the message board meetings so as usual you are talking out of your wrong whole again.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

There is a point system for determining which team wins the competition, so our goal was to win the competition first and win the individual title second.

I don't think that's an accurate characterization.Speaking for myself, my goal was to win the individual title.We discussed as a group which strategies would be likely to work (e.g., draft 3 QBs before the starters run out) and which wouldn't (e.g., draft only one defense); but I wouldn't call the strategies we agreed on "team strategies." I would just call them correct strategies. I wouldn't have followed any strategy I didn't think was optimal for my own individual team.I don't think we should get into it any more than that before the rosters are released.

 

[bagger]

There is a point system for determining which team wins the competition, so our goal was to win the competition first and win the individual title second.

I don't think that's an accurate characterization.Speaking for myself, my goal was to win the individual title.We discussed which strategies would be likely to work (e.g., draft 3 QBs before the starters run out) and which wouldn't (e.g., draft only one defense); but I wouldn't call the strategies we agreed on "team strategies." I would just call them correct strategies. I wouldn't have followed any strategies that I didn't think were optimal for my own individual team.I don't think we should get into it any more than that before the rosters are released.

This is my point. I would never have a TEAM strategy that trumped my own individual strategy.My goal is to win the whole thing.

 

[Caution]

lol @ all of the bickering but the masses aren't privledged enough to see how bad these teams are...wonder if anyone was stupid enough to draft a bunch of qb's in the early rounds...

 

[Joe T]

The rosters will likely be posted somewhere between now and September 10th.

 

[Will Grant]

lol @ all of the bickering but the masses aren't privledged enough to see how bad these teams are...wonder if anyone was stupid enough to draft a bunch of qb's in the early rounds...

Or WR-WR??

 

[Sinrman]

First off, the staff did a great job of coming together and putting forth a strategy to steal a certain position, and catch some of us with our pants down (hey, I admit it). Kudos to them! We did have a lot of discussion before the draft, but I guess it never came up to suck up one specific position to force the staff to change their draft strategy. Again, smart move...Second, I am one who will be hurting a particular week (5, actually) due to byes. I lose my top two WRs. But I feel quite comfortable with my other 3 WRs to pick up the slack that week. Besides, you have to look at the big picture -- you still have to MAKE it to that week! Not to mention, if I remember the rules right, weeks 5 & 6 are combined scoring, so it hurts me, but not AS bad as if I lost my top WRs on week 3 or 4.Third, come on guys. Give the staff a break. They have 338793879387 things going on at once. They were gracious enough to even put forth this challenge. It's the middle of June. We have plenty of time before the season starts. I'm bored as heck at work too, and check from time to time to see if David Dodds has posted the stuff yet (so I can see the board crucify us all, hehe). But with the many things they have going on right now, this will understandably get bumped back a bit. Sit back, relax. It will come out soon enough...Finally, Aardon Rudnicki is a rat *******! (you'll see what I mean from my comments on my picks)

 

[Marc Levin]

Finally, Aardon Rudnicki is a rat *******! (you'll see what I mean from my comments on my picks)

As a man who has been in your position, I can sympathize. There is NOTHING worse than having to draft immediately after Aaron Rudnicki.

 

[radballs.]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger.  (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

Tell ya what, I'll worry about that when Week 9 comes around.

With Yudkin picking from the 10 spot and given this info. ( 3 out of first 4 with week 9 bye), I will throw out a guess here on his first four picks. Tell me if I'm warm.Yuddy's first four1.10 Fred Taylor2.03 Marvin Harrison3.10 Michael Vick4.03 Derrick Mason

 

[Marc Levin]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger.  (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

Tell ya what, I'll worry about that when Week 9 comes around.

With Yudkin picking from the 10 spot and given this info. ( 3 out of first 4 with week 9 bye), I will throw out a guess here on his first four picks. Tell me if I'm warm.Yuddy's first four1.10 Fred Taylor2.03 Marvin Harrison3.10 Michael Vick4.03 Derrick Mason

50-50 on players, 1 for 4 on correct positions.

 

[bostonfred2]

However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger.  (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

:rotflmao: This coming from the staff member who drafted guys with the same bye week in 3 of his first 4 picks.

'bagger, in your league, two MB guys have significantly worse bye week problems than Yudkin - one of whom will be losing with a very strong team before the merger unless he gets a fair bit of luck in week 7.Edit: but, as for your comment, I have to say - BUUUURN!

Was part of this "team strategy" to lose Yudkin early? His week 3, 4 and 5 bye weeks are so bad, he might not make it to week 9, when they're terrible. Was part of this "team strategy" to overpay for guys like Duce and Westbrook? Because we mentioned their names in our team strategy, too, but it wasn't because we thought we should burn a pick on them...PS - I have a feeling I know who you're talking about re: week 7; I also have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about re: week 7, but we'll see.

 

[Biabreakable]

We have had some technical difficulties and a lot of administrative things going on and should be posting the first Survivor series on Wednesday (although that may not be a firm date).However, you Message Board guys may not want to see the rosters, as the Staff teams overall are stronger. (This is not smack or propaganda here--you'll see what I mean later on.)Message Board draft strategy = "All for one, one for all"Staff draft strategy = "There is no 'I' in team"

Technical difficulties??? Yeah right. Are you making excuses for what happened during the drafts by saying this? Because theres nothing technical about posting the picks and taking the time to write a short essay on the 1st 2 rounds of your strategy. Thats a bunch BS pure and simple.Keep dangling that carrot. I thought part of the purpose of this was to make for some good conversation on draft strategy?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Technical difficulties??? Yeah right. Are you making excuses for what happened during the drafts by saying this? Because theres nothing technical about posting the picks and taking the time to write a short essay on the 1st 2 rounds of your strategy. Thats a bunch BS pure and simple.Keep dangling that carrot. I thought part of the purpose of this was to make for some good conversation on draft strategy?

no offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.no reason to call BS. #### happens. the site is busy as hell with today being the last day for the early bird special. ALL the writeups (20 rounds of commentary) have been submitted, it just takes time to get them correctly formatted so that they can be posted.rather than do it half-###, the guys upstairs have decided to wait a bit and do it right.besides, ALL SURVIVOR PARTICIPANTS have been kept in the loop on this. It's not like the staff is hiding something from anyone. The MB guys involved know what's up.Trust us, we want to see these get posted (along with LHUCKS inevitable "critiques") as much as everybody else. My team is sweet so I can't wait to show it off to my friends and family. P.S. Sorry Sinrman...but you'll get plenty of run in my writeups as well. Most of the time it was along the lines of "I can't believe Sinrman didn't take... and left him for me after the turn!"

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Sorry for the inconvenience, Biabreakable, but the guys who run the site are doing their best. There's a lot of stuff going on right now between processing subscriptions, getting the book and CD done and ready to ship, getting the VBD app updated, etc.Unfortunately, unveiling the Survivor draft got pushed back a bit, but it will be posted in a few days.

 

[Marc Levin]

PS - I have a feeling I know who you're talking about re: week 7; I also have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about re: week 7, but we'll see.

That we will - I actually believe you have one of the strongest team of BOTH leagues - that is if those three "other" guys can manage decent week 7 performances.

 

[Sinrman]

P.S. Sorry Sinrman...but you'll get plenty of run in my writeups as well. Most of the time it was along the lines of "I can't believe Sinrman didn't take... and left him for me after the turn!"

Hey! You're supposed to be critiquing your own! Be gentle................................PLEASE!

 

[joffer]

The Shipp owners are busy trying to bribe Dodds....that's what the delay is.

 

[Drugrunner]

"There is no 'I' in team"

But there is an "M" and an "E" :rotflmao:

 

[Couch Potato]

Oh looky! Another Staff/MB survivor thread!Ok, the staff took a committee approach to the draft. The result? Haven't you ever heard about the committee that set out to make a horse and somehow ended up with a camel? Helloooooooooo staff!As for the extra time it's taking to get the draft posted, I have a backdoor worm to Dodds' computer so I can see everything he's doing. I have to say that those high res porn pics are nice David! Thanks for the free peeks! And those chats you're having with the Russian email-order bride wannabe's are pretty interesting too. Hey, take your time getting that draft posted, Davey-boy. I know you are very, um, busy. Say hi to Natasha for me too when you talk to her again, and PLEASE keep that pic of her on a little bit longer next time.

 

[Drugrunner]

There is a point system for determining which team wins the competition, so our goal was to win the competition first and win the individual title second.

I don't think that's an accurate characterization.Speaking for myself, my goal was to win the individual title.We discussed as a group which strategies would be likely to work (e.g., draft 3 QBs before the starters run out) and which wouldn't (e.g., draft only one defense); but I wouldn't call the strategies we agreed on "team strategies." I would just call them correct strategies. I wouldn't have followed any strategy I didn't think was optimal for my own individual team.I don't think we should get into it any more than that before the rosters are released.

igskinp: I am playing to win the Individual Crown. I wouldn't call it a Team Strategy, however, the Correct Strategy to use was employed by the guys on my team.

 

[Marc Levin]

If you think the MB crew is gonna believe the staff was all out for themselves w/o a thought towards the team, wait till you read my critiques of y'all's picks - including Team Tremblay!

 

[Biabreakable]

It's hardly any inconvience to me MT puhleese. Just thought it would make for some interesting discussion.A writers best friend is a deadline.I can buy administative priorities possibly causing a write up to take a back seat and of course quality is so much better than half cheek. But this stuff about technical difficulties I mean come on. What could that be? Spell checker dosen't work?? Computer down?? Yeah right....BTW I do see some potential advantages to TEAM drafting possibly causing problems for the other teams with a 6 player run prticularly at the QB position if executed in concert. As long as the team did not pass up much value to execute it.But each team still has to make it on it's own. Unless one team took a dive to help the others.Sounds like an excuse similar to the technical difficulties one though to me if that is the case. Leave no one behind is a better philosophy than self sacrifice imo.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

But this stuff about technical difficulties I mean come on. What could that be? Spell checker dosen't work?? Computer down??

There are no technical difficulties with the Survivor draft. Any technical difficulties are with login issues and order processing -- stuff like that. I'm not a technical person, so I can't say exactly. But it's the same result. Other things have to take a back seat while those issues get ironed out.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If you think the MB crew is gonna believe the staff was all out for themselves w/o a thought towards the team, wait till you read my critiques of y'all's picks - including Team Tremblay!

I'm interested in reading what you have to say. But if you think I sacrificed my own team for the sake of the rest of the staff's well-being, you're mistaken. My team is going to win the whole thing.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

It's hardly any inconvience to me MT puhleese. Just thought it would make for some interesting discussion.A writers best friend is a deadline.I can buy administative priorities possibly causing a write up to take a back seat and of course quality is so much better than half cheek. But this stuff about technical difficulties I mean come on. What could that be? Spell checker dosen't work?? Computer down?? Yeah right....BTW I do see some potential advantages to TEAM drafting possibly causing problems for the other teams with a 6 player run prticularly at the QB position if executed in concert. As long as the team did not pass up much value to execute it.But each team still has to make it on it's own. Unless one team took a dive to help the others.Sounds like an excuse similar to the technical difficulties one though to me if that is the case. Leave no one behind is a better philosophy than self sacrifice imo.

the writeups are done and have been done for some time now. there just happens to be a ton of other things going on right now: problems with subcriptions, problems with the book printer, trying to get the site set up so that people can order the Book and CD when it is ready, Dodds working on his new set of projections, VBD, etc.it's still June. We didn't even do the Survivor II draft last year until July I believe. There is plenty of time to thoroughly discuss this draft and all the mistakes that were made.As for the advantages of team strategy, I think it will become apparent soon enough. No doubt everybody wants the individual prize money and glory, but there was also a goal to get as many staff teams to the merger and then see what happens. If we get 6 out of the final 8 teams, we'll have the team comp pretty much locked up, and a great chance at winning the solo title as well. Note that having the best team doesn't usually win in survivor leagues - one slip up and you're over.This was a STAFF vs MESSAGE BOARD survivor league, so that extra team twist made this interesting. It wasn't supposed to be every man for himself. There are prizes and bragging rights on the line for each team.