Are the Texans still idiots? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.

they got offers, feel free to google. The articles are out there

There is a large difference between "offers" and deals. I make multiple offers in each of my leagues to other owners, but very few (if any) are "deals" for the other owners

you're nitpickingIn the NFL, you don't offer if you won't do the deal. Otherwise no one will trade with you later on.

 

[icehouse]

For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.

they got offers, feel free to google. The articles are out there

There is a large difference between "offers" and deals. I make multiple offers in each of my leagues to other owners, but very few (if any) are "deals" for the other owners

you're nitpickingIn the NFL, you don't offer if you won't do the deal. Otherwise no one will trade with you later on.

All offered deals are not quality deals.

 

[thayman]

why didn't you post Bush's receiving stats and his special-teams touchdown? Do those yards not count? Did you think somebody here wouldn't notice?

Cause that is not why they drafted him , he is nt a WR he is a RB but he cant run the ball in the NFL.

The NFL is not a fantasy league.They drafted him as an impact offensive player - and that's what he is.

As hard as it is to believe, RB's for the most part are a dime a dozen. Bush's guaranteed contract is ridiculous for an unproven RB no matter how good he is expected to be. For the money Bush received the Texans could sign any RB in the NFL next year.

who??

The UFA free agent market next year won't be as good as last year, but there are good RB's who may be available for trade/RFA like Thomas Jones, Deuce and Turner - all of whom will be much cheaper in comparison to Bush. I think Bush will be a great RB, but it's such an injury-prone position that I think giving a $26.2M bonus to a rookie RB is ridiculous. I think the Texans made a mistake not trading down (I wanted them to trade with the Jets and get D'Brick) but I think they are better off as a team with Mario instead of Bush.Here's how Bush's contract compared to Edge and Alexander:Reggie Bush 6-year, $51 milllion ($26.2 million guaranteed, over first 3 years - $26.2 million + 2006-2008 salaries (~$12M))Edgerrin James 4-year, 30 million ($11.5 million guaranteed, over first 3 years - $25 million)Shaun Alexander 8-year, $62 million ($13.5 million guaranteed, over first 3 years - $23 million)

I would say that the only RB you mentioned that could be available will end up being more expensive. Obviously we won't know until the off-season, but once qualifying offers are made, IF the Texans choose to match a RFA the other team would get a draft pick in return. I would imagine first day pick, the Texans have no business trading any draft picks away.

 

[redman]

I dont understand how Williams is getting a pass in this thread. Have any of you watched the Texans' games? Because his performance has been poor. His sacks have all been coverage sacks, and he hasn't provided any sort of consistent pass rush. Top that off he's not played the run particularly well either. He's not Strahan, he's not Peppers, he very well could be Entman. The Texans are idiots for this pick for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the play of Williams. Frankly, the pick should have been Young or Bush. They screwed that up when they picked up Carr's option and then screwed up even further by making a pick out of left field. If Bush came in and didn't perform, then the franchise would get a pass in alot of ways. When Williams proves to be an average player, they'll have made a gigantic marketing blunder that the franchise will need to work hard to repair. If Bush is more Kevin then Marshall Faulk, those are the breaks. If Williams is just and average player and not a Strahan, then the Texans are the biggest idiots in the history of football. Casserly merely tried to correct the major mistake of taking Carr over Peppers, and by doing so he put the future of the franchise's popularity on the line.

Casserly's lame duck a## had nothing to do with Mario williams, whether people want to believe it or not this was a Kubiak/McNair call as was option on Carr (specifically McNair). From everything I understand something happened behind the scenes with Reggie Bush. Since I get this part about 8th hand, it has not been clear whether it was during the onsite visit or when dealing with house thing in California, but somewhere in that time frame the Texans soured on Bush as a person, not as a football player. Before that time the team all indications are that the Texans were legitimately debating between the two,, but most people (including myself and Mario's agent) thought this was all BS.

My understanding is that Casserly resigned shortly after the draft because he had been overruled on that (and maybe other) personnel decisions, and didn't want to work there anymore; I'm sure he also wanted to signal to the football world that that was the case by resigning.

 

[GregR_2]

I dont understand how Williams is getting a pass in this thread. Have any of you watched the Texans' games? Because his performance has been poor. His sacks have all been coverage sacks, and he hasn't provided any sort of consistent pass rush. Top that off he's not played the run particularly well either. He's not Strahan, he's not Peppers, he very well could be Entman.

The Texans are idiots for this pick for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the play of Williams. Frankly, the pick should have been Young or Bush. They screwed that up when they picked up Carr's option and then screwed up even further by making a pick out of left field. If Bush came in and didn't perform, then the franchise would get a pass in alot of ways. When Williams proves to be an average player, they'll have made a gigantic marketing blunder that the franchise will need to work hard to repair. If Bush is more Kevin then Marshall Faulk, those are the breaks. If Williams is just and average player and not a Strahan, then the Texans are the biggest idiots in the history of football.

Casserly merely tried to correct the major mistake of taking Carr over Peppers, and by doing so he put the future of the franchise's popularity on the line.

I'm not understanding where you're coming from. If you've watched the Texans games as you imply, you'd know Mario's game has been improving every week, and that he's played the run tough the last 3 games and has generated pressure that didn't result in sacks. If you don't want to take my word for it, here's a blog by John McClain, the beat writer for the Chronicle, written after the Jags game (and before the Titans game where Mario had a darn good game). http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2006/10/after_a...n_over_t_1.html

Before we get serious here, I want to say something right now: I don't want to hear anything from anyone this week about what a bust Mario Williams is. For the second game in a row, he improved. Forget the sack. Byron Leftwich slipped, and Mario tapped him, but do you know what? There were 10 others who could have tapped him, too, but he beat them to it.

I'm talking about Williams making plays and being disruptive. He hasn't been great, but he's been getting better the last two games against Dallas and Jacksonville. If you don't believe me, I just got off the phone with two NFL personnel directors who watched the Texans' game, and they were raving about the way Williams played and the way they think he will play. There were three NFL scouts in the pressbox. I spoke with them before, during and after the game, and they were raving about Williams and DeMeco Ryans.

So, I'm not saying Williams was worth the first pick or that he's playing great because so far he hasn't been, but the fact is that he's gotten better the last two weeks. Even Stevie Wonder could see it. If any of you want to rip on Williams this week, fine, but just remember that NFL scouts and personnel directors have a little more credibility. At least this week.

 

[GregR_2]

I dont understand how Williams is getting a pass in this thread. Have any of you watched the Texans' games? Because his performance has been poor. His sacks have all been coverage sacks, and he hasn't provided any sort of consistent pass rush. Top that off he's not played the run particularly well either. He's not Strahan, he's not Peppers, he very well could be Entman. The Texans are idiots for this pick for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the play of Williams. Frankly, the pick should have been Young or Bush. They screwed that up when they picked up Carr's option and then screwed up even further by making a pick out of left field. If Bush came in and didn't perform, then the franchise would get a pass in alot of ways. When Williams proves to be an average player, they'll have made a gigantic marketing blunder that the franchise will need to work hard to repair. If Bush is more Kevin then Marshall Faulk, those are the breaks. If Williams is just and average player and not a Strahan, then the Texans are the biggest idiots in the history of football. Casserly merely tried to correct the major mistake of taking Carr over Peppers, and by doing so he put the future of the franchise's popularity on the line.

Casserly's lame duck a## had nothing to do with Mario williams, whether people want to believe it or not this was a Kubiak/McNair call as was option on Carr (specifically McNair). From everything I understand something happened behind the scenes with Reggie Bush. Since I get this part about 8th hand, it has not been clear whether it was during the onsite visit or when dealing with house thing in California, but somewhere in that time frame the Texans soured on Bush as a person, not as a football player. Before that time the team all indications are that the Texans were legitimately debating between the two,, but most people (including myself and Mario's agent) thought this was all BS.

My understanding is that Casserly resigned shortly after the draft because he had been overruled on that (and maybe other) personnel decisions, and didn't want to work there anymore; I'm sure he also wanted to signal to the football world that that was the case by resigning.

Casserly was for all intents and purposes out long before the draft. But you don't fire a guy who has detailed knowledge about your draft plans right before the draft, because other teams would bring him in as a consultant to get a brain dump from him on what you plan. You keep him under contract and then let him resign after the draft is over and save what little face he can.

 

[Bri]

I dont understand how Williams is getting a pass in this thread. Have any of you watched the Texans' games? Because his performance has been poor. His sacks have all been coverage sacks, and he hasn't provided any sort of consistent pass rush. Top that off he's not played the run particularly well either. He's not Strahan, he's not Peppers, he very well could be Entman. The Texans are idiots for this pick for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the play of Williams. Frankly, the pick should have been Young or Bush. They screwed that up when they picked up Carr's option and then screwed up even further by making a pick out of left field. If Bush came in and didn't perform, then the franchise would get a pass in alot of ways. When Williams proves to be an average player, they'll have made a gigantic marketing blunder that the franchise will need to work hard to repair. If Bush is more Kevin then Marshall Faulk, those are the breaks. If Williams is just and average player and not a Strahan, then the Texans are the biggest idiots in the history of football. Casserly merely tried to correct the major mistake of taking Carr over Peppers, and by doing so he put the future of the franchise's popularity on the line.

Casserly's lame duck a## had nothing to do with Mario williams, whether people want to believe it or not this was a Kubiak/McNair call as was option on Carr (specifically McNair). From everything I understand something happened behind the scenes with Reggie Bush. Since I get this part about 8th hand, it has not been clear whether it was during the onsite visit or when dealing with house thing in California, but somewhere in that time frame the Texans soured on Bush as a person, not as a football player. Before that time the team all indications are that the Texans were legitimately debating between the two,, but most people (including myself and Mario's agent) thought this was all BS.

My understanding is that Casserly resigned shortly after the draft because he had been overruled on that (and maybe other) personnel decisions, and didn't want to work there anymore; I'm sure he also wanted to signal to the football world that that was the case by resigning.

Casserly was expected to get a job with the NFL

 

[Bri]

For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.

they got offers, feel free to google. The articles are out there

There is a large difference between "offers" and deals. I make multiple offers in each of my leagues to other owners, but very few (if any) are "deals" for the other owners

you're nitpickingIn the NFL, you don't offer if you won't do the deal. Otherwise no one will trade with you later on.

All offered deals are not quality deals.

Well I remember 1st and 3rd from the Jets.Long thread here about it.IIRC That would have given the Texans 5 or 6 picks in the first 3 rounds and still (Ferguson?) a very top tier talent

 

[cstu]

For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.

they got offers, feel free to google. The articles are out there

There is a large difference between "offers" and deals. I make multiple offers in each of my leagues to other owners, but very few (if any) are "deals" for the other owners

you're nitpickingIn the NFL, you don't offer if you won't do the deal. Otherwise no one will trade with you later on.

All offered deals are not quality deals.

Well I remember 1st and 3rd from the Jets.Long thread here about it.IIRC That would have given the Texans 5 or 6 picks in the first 3 rounds and still (Ferguson?) a very top tier talent

It goes back to the 'pick value chart' that teams seem locked into even if it doesn't make sense for them not to make the trade. Ferguson would have made a huge difference for the Texans and was cheaper than Mario. The Texans could have at least had the Jets' #1 next year which should be a top 20 pick.

 

[Buckna]

For those saying, "they should have traded down," it takes two to tango. Don't think for a second that the Texans weren't on the phone with everyone and anyone trying to forge a deal. The reality of the NFL is that blockbuster trades (i.e., Vick or Eli type) are difficult to finalize. Real-world deals are tougher than deciding if Andre Johnson for Warrick Dunn is a fair fantasy trade.

they got offers, feel free to google. The articles are out there

There is a large difference between "offers" and deals. I make multiple offers in each of my leagues to other owners, but very few (if any) are "deals" for the other owners

you're nitpickingIn the NFL, you don't offer if you won't do the deal. Otherwise no one will trade with you later on.

All offered deals are not quality deals.

Well I remember 1st and 3rd from the Jets.Long thread here about it.IIRC That would have given the Texans 5 or 6 picks in the first 3 rounds and still (Ferguson?) a very top tier talent

Don't remember that one, but I do remember a rumor that the Jets made a similar offer to the Saints after the Texans passed on Bush and the Saints turned it down.

 

[John Mamula]

looks like the texans are pretty smart now.

mario has more TDs than bush this year.