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Arian Foster torn hamstring? Per John Clayton (2 Viewers)
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
In a season in which expectations are high to make the playoffs, and missing them will likely result in coaching changes, I hardly think Kubiak is concerned with Foster's next contract.
Irish Chaos
Footballguy
Beautiful...Another Runningback HaikuArian feels blueHis hamstring loves the twitterTexan's coach does notArian Foster's hamstring now has its own Twitter accounthttp://twitter.com/#!/AFosterHammyI am absolutely loving the media/FF mockery going on over this issue.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
What do people think Tate's trade value is? I'm trying to unload him but it's hard to agree on his value. Say to trade him for a WR: someone in the Mike Thomas/Jacoby Ford level? Or better?
ElGatoLoco
Footballguy
Thanks. It was part of a Haiku challenge. I had to use the following words in it: blue, love, and not.'Irish Chaos said:Beautiful...'ElGatoLoco said:Another Runningback HaikuArian feels blueHis hamstring loves the twitterTexan's coach does not'rizzler said:Arian Foster's hamstring now has its own Twitter accounthttp://twitter.com/#!/AFosterHammyI am absolutely loving the media/FF mockery going on over this issue.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I'm currently trying to package Steve Smith (CAR) and Tate to the Foster owner for Manningham. The owner is screwed at running back if Foster doesn't go, so I'm hoping I can get some WR value out of this situation.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
NTTAWWT
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Foster, Tate, and Ward all are not playing tonight.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I would think that both Tate and Ward not seeing a single carry is probably not a great sign for Foster. You'd think they'd give a couple carries to each of those two if Foster was going to be ready to go for Week 1.
Devil in the Detail
Footballguy
Yes, sounds like "damage control" mode.
Irish Chaos
Footballguy
I traded him for Cutler as i needed a qb in 14 team league...
pghrob
Footballguy
In dynasty/keeper formats, this Foster MRI issue presents roster problems for those teams wrestling on whether or not to roster Derrick Ward as a handcuff who might be able to fill in and get nice starting numbers. Kubiak has stated that Ward and not Tate is the 2nd stringer.
The Texans running game is good enough to plug and play. Unfortunately, in the dynasty format, many owners are faced with having to cut a younger and perhaps more promising player that is being groomed for the future in order to make room for Ward so that they may still be able to compete now. Kudos to those who were able to get Tate, who at 23 years old seems much more palatable for having to keep around for one season than does Ward.
I am half tempted to roll the dice and not keep D. Ward on my Dynasty as a replacement for Foster with hopes that I can plug in another RB in Foster's place thereby not forcing me to drop a young and up and comer as part of roster cut down week. But as I stated earlier, the Texans running game appears to good to pass on for those teams who can compete for a championship this season.
The Texans running game is good enough to plug and play. Unfortunately, in the dynasty format, many owners are faced with having to cut a younger and perhaps more promising player that is being groomed for the future in order to make room for Ward so that they may still be able to compete now. Kudos to those who were able to get Tate, who at 23 years old seems much more palatable for having to keep around for one season than does Ward.
I am half tempted to roll the dice and not keep D. Ward on my Dynasty as a replacement for Foster with hopes that I can plug in another RB in Foster's place thereby not forcing me to drop a young and up and comer as part of roster cut down week. But as I stated earlier, the Texans running game appears to good to pass on for those teams who can compete for a championship this season.
Yeah I would say Kubiak would roll his grand mother out there this year if it helped the Texans. If they don't do it this year, he is unemployed and everyone is aware of that.
Shutout
Footballguy
I would agree with that. I would not be surprised to see Kubiak issue something that is disciplinary-related to foster. I do not think he is ok with the whole MRI thing. Granted, that may not be terrible. The last time he did that to Foster against Oakland, Foster didn't play to start the game but still ended up with 125+ and a couple of TDs. But again, not seeing Ward and Tate in the game last night makes me think that they think they Might need them.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
The Texans can just plug anyone in at RB at this time. Outside of a few elite runners- the NFL trend towards RBs seems to be that they are a dime a dozen. Perhaps ownership views this situation as an opportunity to let other players shine to keep from having to make the big pay day happen for one player. In MLB- owners are almost scared off paying the top pitchers big money as one injury can cause a cascade of chaos. I know that is MLB and this is the NFL but the same scenario can happen and this is why we see more RBBC. The NFL owners might just wake up and pay dearly for the OL and then roster 4 or 5 RBs in camp and keep the top 3 or 4 RBs for the season. Lastly- NFL players need to be smart about this Twitter technology. I can just see good player running their careers into the ground doing some dumb things on Twitter. Foster had such a great season last year and I would like to see him start and bring that same game this year but this is a tough situation for FF owners.
Shutout
Footballguy
I'm not special either but if I outscored Adrian peterson by 100 points last year in FF, people are going to be interested in me. Simple truth. And if anyone does that, they ARE special because that's what wins leagues and $$.
rizzler
Footballguy
You heard it here!Time to buy Foster in all leagues.
Otis
Footballguy
You're missing the point. See past your own fin.
Clifford
Footballguy
Derrick Ward is the best late-round flier I can think of right now
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Except maybe Tate.
shadyridr
Footballguy
hes not going late
Chaka
Footballguy
You might be right but Foster is the starting RB behind a special run game and blocking. How would you suggest people approach this situation? Sounds like you're in the "avoid" camp but when you are sitting at the 5-6 spot and this guy falls to you (because of the tweet) it will be pretty difficult to pass on him regardless of what kind of silly animal comparison you align yourself with.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I understand the conspiracy stuff, but if that MRI is fake, both the Texans and Foster are going to get nailed HARD by the NFL.The NFL does not take kindly to blatant lying when it cones to injuries. Right now, teams don't have to report anything regarding injuries. But the injury rules are in place in order to help prevent corruption related to gambling. Blatantly lying about an injury, whether in preseason or not, does not look good and could get both Foster and te Texans in a lot of hot water if the NFL were to find out the MRI is a fake.
rizzler
Footballguy
I wasn't really implying it was fake, though as Ive stated, Im sure the thought has crossed all of our minds.The fact remains, that the photo is still up. The tweet afterwards is still up. But nothing has been written since. I don't know what to make of it to be honest, but as for Arian himself.. I'm not overly worried. Change fo diet, no limp, jogging... If he does it all right, and I fully expect him to, he could rebound with no issues.
I think it depends on who else the Foster owner has on his roster to cover for that week or two, unless he gets named the clear starter (assuming Foster even misses time). I have Tate and am trying to flip him to the Foster owner for Spiller (I have F.Jackson). I don't think Tatw has anymore value than for this type of deal at this moment.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Arian Foster should be ready for Week 1
Sep
5
9/5/2011 9:47:26 AM | More
Good news for Houston Texan fans, Beat writer John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that he believes running back Arian Foster will be healthy enough to start Week 1.
No one but Foster knows for sure how he feels but McClain is optimistic. It sounds like Foster will be a full participant in practice this week.
Sep
5
9/5/2011 9:47:26 AM | More
Good news for Houston Texan fans, Beat writer John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that he believes running back Arian Foster will be healthy enough to start Week 1.
No one but Foster knows for sure how he feels but McClain is optimistic. It sounds like Foster will be a full participant in practice this week.
1. Draft Foster in the middle of round 1.
2. Draft Tate as a handcuff somewhere in the middle rounds.
3. Profit?
2. Draft Tate as a handcuff somewhere in the middle rounds.
3. Profit?
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I think the Houston situation is good enough that an average RB can be a quality fantasy starter. As it has been said, taking a good RB in Foster in the mid first and handcuffing late has such great upside that the risk is worth it, IMO.
Got foster at 1.07 in a ten team PPR, then Tate in the 10th round or so. 16 man rosters may have let Tate fall a bit, but the only fear is the dreaded game time decision every week.
Got foster at 1.07 in a ten team PPR, then Tate in the 10th round or so. 16 man rosters may have let Tate fall a bit, but the only fear is the dreaded game time decision every week.
rizzler
Footballguy
John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reiterated Sunday that he believes Arian Foster (hamstring) will be ready for Week 1.
McClain's position on Foster's injury has not changed in the last week. "No one knows for sure about it being an issue this season, but fantasy football owners should take him and not look back," he says. Although McClain's reports have not been confirmed by other outlets, his certainty on the issue speaks volumes. It sounds like Foster is set for full participation in practice this week.
There's writers, and there's McClain.
I'm all in.
McClain's position on Foster's injury has not changed in the last week. "No one knows for sure about it being an issue this season, but fantasy football owners should take him and not look back," he says. Although McClain's reports have not been confirmed by other outlets, his certainty on the issue speaks volumes. It sounds like Foster is set for full participation in practice this week.
There's writers, and there's McClain.
I'm all in.
Portis 26
Madden Freak
This report is basically consistent with two possible situations:a) Foster's absolutely fine, panic over, carry on everyone
b) The team is trying to bring back Foster too early from his injury and is pretending all is fine, in which case there is now a significantly increased risk of him exacerbating the injury, or performing underpar all season
Wouldn't be at all surprised if it was b).
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The problem is Foster won't carry the same load he normally does, at least to start. Talk about a game that lost some sizzle, you now get a dinged Foster at best and Kerry Collins instead of Manning.
rizzler
Footballguy
I highly doubt they were force him to come back before he is ready especially now, vs a Manningless colts week 1.Kubiak is basically playing for his job here.. Do you truly risk the NFL best runner last season when you would in all likelihood still win with ward and tate?
There is no doubt that the potential for reaggrivation is there. But when guys like McClain see Foster on the daily, see him run, job, stretch, move like there is no issue (after seeing him labour, strain with an issue) it's a good sign.
I'm hoping for the best and trust that FOster and the team will take the proper approach.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Something just tells me that he will be ready for week 1. Just a hunch- Indy @home and manning is looking like he will be a no show. This has all the makings of a long time coming beat down for the Colts. These are milestone games in which a team like the Texans appears to be ready to take down a team that they have chased for many years. I think Foster will play and they will spell him often and pull him early in the 4th quarter as the Texans cruise to a 24-10 final score. If Manning plays, it will be a different story. Regardless- the risk w Foster will be highest w the amount of carries that he makes in the first 3 or 4 games and IF the hammy comes back one more time in that span he will have this issue up and down 2011 and it will turn into a full blown RBBC. Safest bet- he plays in a game that the Texans really want and I mean REALLY WANT!
Portis 26
Madden Freak
But that's just the thing. With a hamstring, if you try to come back too soon, very often initially it feels fine and you think you're good to go. All I'm saying is, don't be surprised if this does not end well.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Kubiak-says-Foster-s-injury-not-serious-2145146.phpAs a Foster and Ward owner, I'd rather him sit for week 1. Maybe even week 2. Let this thing heal all the way. It's not worth the greater chance of aggravating it that comes with pushing it, certainly not to have him play against a team they should be able to handle easily without it.I wanna deal ward to the foster owner in one of my league.
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rizzler
Footballguy
I own all 3 HOU RBs and would say this:If Foster was seated for Week 1 (I hope not), and Ward was designted the "starter"... Id still put Tate in, instead.If the carries go 15-10 (though I expect a lot more running), I fully expect Tate to gain far more yardage and possible TDs.Just my take.
az_prof
Footballguy
If this is a joke, then it is the first time I can ever remember a player pretending that their injury was worse than it is as a joke. More likely, after he tweeted the team told him to back off the tweet because they may want to keep opponents guessing on whether he will play. There is no way I would use a first round pick on this guy. As others have said, this kind of injury lingers even after it improves enough for the player to play.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
He's a philosophy major and somebody who seemingly has a deep-seated problem with the thought processes of a good segment of the football fan community, and especially the fantasy football community. It would not surprise me at all if he did that. He's a smart guy and if he really wanted to f with people, that would be a clever, mostly harmless way to do it.
rizzler
Footballguy
The only reason I think it could be a farce was exactly that, to eff with the FF community (hence the tweet about humour being lost)Again, I reiterate that I have NO idea what to think about the issue of the tweet. The injury looks fairly serious from the MRI, but then again, he's been jogging, no limp, McClain says he looks healthy etc...It's a very strange situation. I guess all I'm saying is, if it was fake, I wouldnt be surprised in the least
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Kubiak-All-indications-positive-on-Foster%E2%80%99s-injury/f77ee966-b107-4a7e-b218-5f98cddb0617
“We’re still lining up as Derrick as our two and Tate as our three right now,” Kubak said. “But there’s going to be a lot of football played this week. I think they both bring something different to our football team, so I could see us playing three guys on gameday. Those things will pan themselves out.”
http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/09/houston-texans-running-backs-real-and-fantasy-football-thoughts/
Running Back By Committee? The Texans have done some running back by committee in the past because they didn’t have one back that could do it all. Foster can do it all, but is injured. Some people conclude that since Ben Tate was drafted high last year, he will get most of Foster’s carries if Foster can’t go. I think that is a mistake.
The Texans offense relies on a balanced run/pass attack that has specific elements in it to disguise run or pass. They don’t have a road grading offensive line, and the thought is that if typically defensive lines have better athletes than offensive lines, then the best way to combat that is through keeping defenses guessing.
They don’t want a back on the field that signals to the other team that they are going to be running the ball. Texans often throw on first or second down, so you can’t just say that third down is the passing down.
For a running back to get consistent time on the field under this system, they need to do the following: 1. Consistent positive yards and no negative yards that put team in poor down/distance; 2. Pass protection; 3. Pass catching; 4. Don’t fumble.
Kubiak prefers vets he knows can do all four of these things. Usually, his ideal roster has a mix of veterans and young guys. And the vets get more touches than you think they might because Kubiak values pass protection along with running performance. Fans often don’t pay attention to how well a player pass protects.
So if Foster can’t go, at least short term I could see Derrick Ward getting more touches than Ben Tate because Kubiak knows what he can do in regular game action. That’s not to say that Tate doesn’t know his assignments or can’t pass protect, but he hasn’t done it in regular season action. As he proves himself more in game situations, the more opportunities he could get.
But short term, if you are facing Freeney and Mathis in Week 1, who do you want to handle your pass protection. Someone who has done it before successfully. (Foster, Ward) Or a guy who has never played a regular season game? (Tate)
Steve Slaton got a ton of touches early his rookie year mostly because of injuries ahead of him and that Kubiak had no choice but to rely on a young guy.
“We’re still lining up as Derrick as our two and Tate as our three right now,” Kubak said. “But there’s going to be a lot of football played this week. I think they both bring something different to our football team, so I could see us playing three guys on gameday. Those things will pan themselves out.”
http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/09/houston-texans-running-backs-real-and-fantasy-football-thoughts/
Running Back By Committee? The Texans have done some running back by committee in the past because they didn’t have one back that could do it all. Foster can do it all, but is injured. Some people conclude that since Ben Tate was drafted high last year, he will get most of Foster’s carries if Foster can’t go. I think that is a mistake.
The Texans offense relies on a balanced run/pass attack that has specific elements in it to disguise run or pass. They don’t have a road grading offensive line, and the thought is that if typically defensive lines have better athletes than offensive lines, then the best way to combat that is through keeping defenses guessing.
They don’t want a back on the field that signals to the other team that they are going to be running the ball. Texans often throw on first or second down, so you can’t just say that third down is the passing down.
For a running back to get consistent time on the field under this system, they need to do the following: 1. Consistent positive yards and no negative yards that put team in poor down/distance; 2. Pass protection; 3. Pass catching; 4. Don’t fumble.
Kubiak prefers vets he knows can do all four of these things. Usually, his ideal roster has a mix of veterans and young guys. And the vets get more touches than you think they might because Kubiak values pass protection along with running performance. Fans often don’t pay attention to how well a player pass protects.
So if Foster can’t go, at least short term I could see Derrick Ward getting more touches than Ben Tate because Kubiak knows what he can do in regular game action. That’s not to say that Tate doesn’t know his assignments or can’t pass protect, but he hasn’t done it in regular season action. As he proves himself more in game situations, the more opportunities he could get.
But short term, if you are facing Freeney and Mathis in Week 1, who do you want to handle your pass protection. Someone who has done it before successfully. (Foster, Ward) Or a guy who has never played a regular season game? (Tate)
Steve Slaton got a ton of touches early his rookie year mostly because of injuries ahead of him and that Kubiak had no choice but to rely on a young guy.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Exactly. Ward short-term, Tate long-term. Tate was drafted before I had to chance to get him, so I had to grab Ward off the WW. Seems that Ward will be sufficient, and probably will get more points (though, I have Mathews/Tolbert to choose from, as well), if AF doesn't go in week one. Which I hope he does not.
We Tigers
Footballguy
Really? No evidence or even coachspeak towards this conclusion. If Foster plays at all, I'd have to think they'd give him his standard 15-20 carries. If he's only healthy enough for 10 carries, he isn't healthy enough to play.
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rizzler
Footballguy
+1 - if he's back, he's back.
