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VIDEO: Do I Regret Leaving The Left? : One Year Later Feb 14, 2021
I left the Progressive / Democrat side of politics one year ago. Is it better on the Conservative / Right side? Has Liberalism changed?
Arielle Scarcella: Never in my life have I been more cancelled, tortured, tormented, harassed, than by members of my own community....How could a Liberal turn Conservative?.....You've seen a lot of Liberals are turning Conservative ....It's simply because the word Liberal, how it's being used today, like not even close. Classic Liberal values, according to the internet - civil rights, free speech, free market, capitalism, separation between church and state, freedom of religion, limited government and human rights, and obviously I think most of us agree with all of those things at this point. We can all say we're pretty liberal right?
Based on these values alone, I think it's fairly obvious to see how most Republicans, Centrists, Moderates like myself, can actually be, by definition, way more liberal than any Democratic Progressive at the moment. Think about it for a second. ...They hate capitalism. They want more government involvement, so much so that it's borderline communism. Some of these so called liberals actually call themselves communists, and are proud of it...Here's a major issue.... people on both sides are calling themselves liberals. There are people like myself who actually truly hold liberal values and someone who is progressive and claiming that they are liberal....
Sarah A. Downey had an amazing Twitter thread based on ....showcasing the Classic Liberalism versus the new wave of liberalism.
Classic Liberalism - Ideas exist independently from the creators' identities, behaviors, and values.
New Age Liberalism - Ideas are inseparable from their creators' identities, behaviors, and values.
Classic Liberalism - No one is immune from criticism.
New Age Liberalism - More oppressed people are immune from criticism, especially coming from less oppressed people.
Classic Liberalism - Build new things to improve.
New Age Liberalism - Dismantle existing things to improve.
Classic Liberalism - Aspire to a colorblind merit based society, where the best person for a job wins
New Age Liberalism - Aspire to a color obsessed merit blind based society where jobs are distributed equally.
Turns out the Conservative party holds most of the values that I hold today. I guess it's become a new wave of conservatism, just like there's a new wave of progressivism, and that's why so many of us previously on "The Left" are now feeling more comfortable on the center or the Right.
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Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: I was taught that white people are evil, that capitalism is unjust and that the USA is a racist country to it's core.
Christian / XX@XX christianwalk1r: The problem with modern day Liberals is that there's nothing liberal about them. They restrict the free flow of ideas that go against their agenda. They restrict any type of speech that doesn't fall in line with whatever they are trying to push...
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Sadly, I was convinced by my professors and my peers that all the people I grew up with in my home town in South Georgia, all those deplorables and the unredeemables, they were the dumb ones, they were just the backwoods redneck idiots who put on a MAGA hat and supported white supremacy because they are too stupid to know the difference.
Amala / XX@XX halfblackconservative: So I was going around to different high schools and middle schools and teaching leftist ideology, which I now know to be socialist ideology, and who is going to pay for these policies to be implemented? Why is there so much hate on "The Left" when they are meant to be tolerant? Why are we fighting for things that has never worked in any other country?
Christian / XX@XX christianwalk1r: They've created this facade of marginalization and of victim hood and pushed people to believe that certain "people groups" are oppressing others when clearly we're all individuals and you can't sort people into identity groups and expect them to behave according to their identity group. In my opinion, that's racist.
They claim to care about all these marginalized groups, but you take someone who identifies with one of these "marginalized groups" and you allow them to speak freely, and the Progressive Left will attack them and tell them they are siding the oppressor. That's homophobic. That's transphobic. Allowing people to be whatever they want to be is honestly true liberalism.
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Those people in my home town...they had it right all along, and this realization was the first of many that brought me to leave the left. Just like many other millennials and Gen Z individuals. Because we see that "The Left" is actually the complete opposite of liberalism in the classic sense.
Christian / XX@XX christianwalk1r: Allowing people to express themselves how they choose to express themselves is liberalism. And that's not what modern day liberals do...
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Because classical liberals want freedom not tyranny. Classical liberals want a separation of church and state. We want free speech, civil rights, individual autonomy, and the Conservative side is the only side that the fighting to protect all of the above.
Amala / XX@XX halfblackconservative: I found out that was really what "The Left" ran on, was emotional stories that come without facts, that is what really woke me up.
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Liberalism is live and let live. "The Left", on the other hand, is authoritative in nature. You must prescribed to every single leftist principle, from trans kids, to reparations, to a fifteen dollar federal minimum wage policy, and if you dared to disagree with even one of these intersectional big government parameters, you are excommunicated forever. You are cancelled, you lose your job, you lose your friends, you don't even deserve to exist anymore.
Amala / XX@XX halfblackconservative: I started reading about the history of America. I was just enlightened and I realized that I had seen the world through a distorted lens before I became a Conservative.
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Liberalism is live and let live. That's why we are not afraid to speak up. We know what's at stake. We know our country is deteriorating right before our eyes. So we are not fazed by the name calling. We are not fazed by the accusations of grifting. We're proud to stand up and we're proud to be on the side that were on in order to preserve the ideals and the values that have led to freedom and individual autonomy in our country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qFsyGklvw
VIDEO: I'm A Lesbian Woman & I'm Leaving The INSANE "Progressive" Left Feb 21, 2020 Arielle Scarcella
The LGBT community is eating it's own. It's now filled with entitled, children who believe in cancel culture, moral superiority point scoring and oppression points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYHBPTfXCI
VIDEO: Psychology Of A Cult : I Escaped The ‘Progressive’ Far Left Apr 3, 2022 Arielle Scarcella
Progressives, democrats and the far left side of politics has become a cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5cCifoFzUw
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I thought this would be a good thread topic to start because I've always believed that Conservatives and Traditional Liberals have always had quite a bit in common. If they sat down and really talked and exchanged ideas and debated their value systems, that both would find more common ground than not. Many people want the same things - Good jobs, safe streets, good schools for their kids, basic quality of life, common sense and accountability from their elected officials and on and on and on. Traditional Liberals, to my viewpoint, simply see the problem solving differently than Conservatives.
I have no ill will towards Traditional Liberals. I have consistently asked Conservatives here and outside the PSF to embrace them. Most of the time, I consider them as "hostages" of the radical left. The core of the establishment Democrats cannot win elections without the voting block numbers of the hard edged Progressives and Socialists and fringe extremists. So they are catered to though often at the expense of many classical liberals who now feel politically homeless. (If I am going to be fair, some Republicans feel the same way about Donald Trump, that the MAGA movement has hijacked many core Conservative principles into a direction that they don't want)
It's an interesting perspective to see the position of Arielle Scarcella. She's LGBT but she's not a radical leftist and she's not an extremist. And she believes she's essentially politically homeless based on the Democratic Party's hard push to move further and further to the extremist end in their public policies and their general woke tone and direction. And since she's a woman and LGBT, she has the ability to speak more freely than many others, solely based on said "identity" over actual merit. Ironically, it's the radical left that has secured Scarcella's platform despite wanting to desperately cancel her completely.
The point being that there are many disenfranchised liberals, particularly Traditional Liberals, who find more in common with the modern Conservative base, than they do with the current Team Blue, particularly the Progressives.
Does the modern Conservative base carry many more classic traditional liberal values than the existing Democratic Party?
Is "The Left" authoritarian in nature?
Does "The Left" consistently run on emotional stories without facts?
Why is the hard edged progressive left fighting for policies where many have shown to never have worked anywhere else?
Does "The Left" aspire to be a color obsessed merit blind based society?
Given the current push back against modern identity politics, cancel culture, woke and what amounts to enabled cultural and social terrorism, is Scarcella going to be joined by many many others in fleeing the current Democratic Party?
I'll leave this here for others to discuss.
I left the Progressive / Democrat side of politics one year ago. Is it better on the Conservative / Right side? Has Liberalism changed?
Arielle Scarcella: Never in my life have I been more cancelled, tortured, tormented, harassed, than by members of my own community....How could a Liberal turn Conservative?.....You've seen a lot of Liberals are turning Conservative ....It's simply because the word Liberal, how it's being used today, like not even close. Classic Liberal values, according to the internet - civil rights, free speech, free market, capitalism, separation between church and state, freedom of religion, limited government and human rights, and obviously I think most of us agree with all of those things at this point. We can all say we're pretty liberal right?
Based on these values alone, I think it's fairly obvious to see how most Republicans, Centrists, Moderates like myself, can actually be, by definition, way more liberal than any Democratic Progressive at the moment. Think about it for a second. ...They hate capitalism. They want more government involvement, so much so that it's borderline communism. Some of these so called liberals actually call themselves communists, and are proud of it...Here's a major issue.... people on both sides are calling themselves liberals. There are people like myself who actually truly hold liberal values and someone who is progressive and claiming that they are liberal....
Sarah A. Downey had an amazing Twitter thread based on ....showcasing the Classic Liberalism versus the new wave of liberalism.
Classic Liberalism - Ideas exist independently from the creators' identities, behaviors, and values.
New Age Liberalism - Ideas are inseparable from their creators' identities, behaviors, and values.
Classic Liberalism - No one is immune from criticism.
New Age Liberalism - More oppressed people are immune from criticism, especially coming from less oppressed people.
Classic Liberalism - Build new things to improve.
New Age Liberalism - Dismantle existing things to improve.
Classic Liberalism - Aspire to a colorblind merit based society, where the best person for a job wins
New Age Liberalism - Aspire to a color obsessed merit blind based society where jobs are distributed equally.
Turns out the Conservative party holds most of the values that I hold today. I guess it's become a new wave of conservatism, just like there's a new wave of progressivism, and that's why so many of us previously on "The Left" are now feeling more comfortable on the center or the Right.
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Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: I was taught that white people are evil, that capitalism is unjust and that the USA is a racist country to it's core.
Christian / XX@XX christianwalk1r: The problem with modern day Liberals is that there's nothing liberal about them. They restrict the free flow of ideas that go against their agenda. They restrict any type of speech that doesn't fall in line with whatever they are trying to push...
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Sadly, I was convinced by my professors and my peers that all the people I grew up with in my home town in South Georgia, all those deplorables and the unredeemables, they were the dumb ones, they were just the backwoods redneck idiots who put on a MAGA hat and supported white supremacy because they are too stupid to know the difference.
Amala / XX@XX halfblackconservative: So I was going around to different high schools and middle schools and teaching leftist ideology, which I now know to be socialist ideology, and who is going to pay for these policies to be implemented? Why is there so much hate on "The Left" when they are meant to be tolerant? Why are we fighting for things that has never worked in any other country?
Christian / XX@XX christianwalk1r: They've created this facade of marginalization and of victim hood and pushed people to believe that certain "people groups" are oppressing others when clearly we're all individuals and you can't sort people into identity groups and expect them to behave according to their identity group. In my opinion, that's racist.
They claim to care about all these marginalized groups, but you take someone who identifies with one of these "marginalized groups" and you allow them to speak freely, and the Progressive Left will attack them and tell them they are siding the oppressor. That's homophobic. That's transphobic. Allowing people to be whatever they want to be is honestly true liberalism.
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Those people in my home town...they had it right all along, and this realization was the first of many that brought me to leave the left. Just like many other millennials and Gen Z individuals. Because we see that "The Left" is actually the complete opposite of liberalism in the classic sense.
Christian / XX@XX christianwalk1r: Allowing people to express themselves how they choose to express themselves is liberalism. And that's not what modern day liberals do...
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Because classical liberals want freedom not tyranny. Classical liberals want a separation of church and state. We want free speech, civil rights, individual autonomy, and the Conservative side is the only side that the fighting to protect all of the above.
Amala / XX@XX halfblackconservative: I found out that was really what "The Left" ran on, was emotional stories that come without facts, that is what really woke me up.
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Liberalism is live and let live. "The Left", on the other hand, is authoritative in nature. You must prescribed to every single leftist principle, from trans kids, to reparations, to a fifteen dollar federal minimum wage policy, and if you dared to disagree with even one of these intersectional big government parameters, you are excommunicated forever. You are cancelled, you lose your job, you lose your friends, you don't even deserve to exist anymore.
Amala / XX@XX halfblackconservative: I started reading about the history of America. I was just enlightened and I realized that I had seen the world through a distorted lens before I became a Conservative.
Gina / XX@XX gmflorio: Liberalism is live and let live. That's why we are not afraid to speak up. We know what's at stake. We know our country is deteriorating right before our eyes. So we are not fazed by the name calling. We are not fazed by the accusations of grifting. We're proud to stand up and we're proud to be on the side that were on in order to preserve the ideals and the values that have led to freedom and individual autonomy in our country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6qFsyGklvw
VIDEO: I'm A Lesbian Woman & I'm Leaving The INSANE "Progressive" Left Feb 21, 2020 Arielle Scarcella
The LGBT community is eating it's own. It's now filled with entitled, children who believe in cancel culture, moral superiority point scoring and oppression points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYHBPTfXCI
VIDEO: Psychology Of A Cult : I Escaped The ‘Progressive’ Far Left Apr 3, 2022 Arielle Scarcella
Progressives, democrats and the far left side of politics has become a cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5cCifoFzUw
********
I thought this would be a good thread topic to start because I've always believed that Conservatives and Traditional Liberals have always had quite a bit in common. If they sat down and really talked and exchanged ideas and debated their value systems, that both would find more common ground than not. Many people want the same things - Good jobs, safe streets, good schools for their kids, basic quality of life, common sense and accountability from their elected officials and on and on and on. Traditional Liberals, to my viewpoint, simply see the problem solving differently than Conservatives.
I have no ill will towards Traditional Liberals. I have consistently asked Conservatives here and outside the PSF to embrace them. Most of the time, I consider them as "hostages" of the radical left. The core of the establishment Democrats cannot win elections without the voting block numbers of the hard edged Progressives and Socialists and fringe extremists. So they are catered to though often at the expense of many classical liberals who now feel politically homeless. (If I am going to be fair, some Republicans feel the same way about Donald Trump, that the MAGA movement has hijacked many core Conservative principles into a direction that they don't want)
It's an interesting perspective to see the position of Arielle Scarcella. She's LGBT but she's not a radical leftist and she's not an extremist. And she believes she's essentially politically homeless based on the Democratic Party's hard push to move further and further to the extremist end in their public policies and their general woke tone and direction. And since she's a woman and LGBT, she has the ability to speak more freely than many others, solely based on said "identity" over actual merit. Ironically, it's the radical left that has secured Scarcella's platform despite wanting to desperately cancel her completely.
The point being that there are many disenfranchised liberals, particularly Traditional Liberals, who find more in common with the modern Conservative base, than they do with the current Team Blue, particularly the Progressives.
Does the modern Conservative base carry many more classic traditional liberal values than the existing Democratic Party?
Is "The Left" authoritarian in nature?
Does "The Left" consistently run on emotional stories without facts?
Why is the hard edged progressive left fighting for policies where many have shown to never have worked anywhere else?
Does "The Left" aspire to be a color obsessed merit blind based society?
Given the current push back against modern identity politics, cancel culture, woke and what amounts to enabled cultural and social terrorism, is Scarcella going to be joined by many many others in fleeing the current Democratic Party?
I'll leave this here for others to discuss.
