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Ashley Lelie as a Free Agent (1 Viewer)

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LHUCKS

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+--------------------------+-------------------------+				 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 den |  16 |	 4	 40   10.0	0 |	35	525  15.0	2 || 2003 den |  16 |	 8	 43	5.4	0 |	37	628  17.0	2 || 2004 den |  16 |	 3	  5	1.7	0 |	54   1084  20.1	7 || 2005 den |  16 |	 5	 84   16.8	0 |	42	770  18.3	1 || 2006 atl |  15 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	28	430  15.4	1 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+|  TOTAL   |  79 |	20	172	8.6	0 |   196   3437  17.5   13 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
 
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.

 
"A guy who can't catch"
T.O. can't catch either...
Agreed. The difference is that when TO does manage to catch the ball, he has the ability to make good things happen. Lelie has shown the ability to run downfield past receivers. That's it. His routes are poor, his hands stink, and he is mediocre (at best) off the line on anything other then deep routes. As such, I think he's a 4th WR who might well be served returning some kicks.
 
He's a one-dimensional receiver, better suited as a WR#3. He may be an adequate WR#2 on teams that use the TE a lot in short pass patterns, where Lelie's deep routes can help open some space underneath.

 
He's a one-dimensional receiver, better suited as a WR#3.
I agree he's fairly one dimensional in the mold of an Alvin Harper, but I see a lot of teams where Lelie would be a vast improvement at WR#2 or WR#3.
One of those guys where popular opinion of him is always too high or too low. Going into '05 people talked like he was on the verge of becoming a star. Now, people talk like he's in the same bust class as Tryone Calico. He's not. I look at him a poor-man's Donte Stallworth with a much better injury history. In a deep dynasty league these are the types of WR's to pick up for nothing and stash as your last WR because if he goes to a place like NE he'll quickly be on everyones "sleeper" list for next season. I'd love for SD to pick him up cheap... though I doubt he'd put up big stats there. Just being a deep threat on the field would create even more space for Gates/Tomlinson underneath. I'm not saying he'd vault ahead of Vincent Jackson as the clear-cut #1 but imo he'd be no worse than 1b @ WR. Jackson/Lelie/Parker/Floyd would be good enough at WR if you have Gates.
 
I dunno, but he sure has a wussy name. Sounds like he ought to have flowers in his hair.

Can you just imagine a steel cage UFC match between a guy named Mack Strong and one named Ashley Lelie? :no:

 
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Interview with potential new GM:

GM: "Now Mr. Lelie, to be our #2 you need to be able to make the tough catches over the middle to get 1st downs and move the chains. That's important to winning football and to our organization."

Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. ;)"

GM: "Uh huh, I see..."

 
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zadok said:
BoltBacker said:
zadok said:
prymetyme25 said:
LHUCKS said:
Colin Dowling said:
"A guy who can't catch"
T.O. can't catch either...
#3 on a good wr corp. #2 on a bad on.
Wasn't he #3 on the Falcons?
No.
Really? He was 3rd on the team in receptions and yards. And didn't he only get starts when White was injured?
GS @ WRJenkins 16Lelie 10White 5 White didn't make a single start in the second half of the season despite playing in all of them. Lelie missed the last game of the season due to injury but started 7 of the previous 8 games before the injury. Lelie didn't even join the team until very late in August yet still produced about the same as Jenkins and White for the season while picking up an entire new offense and building a new rapport with a new QB. He still passed White on the depth chart. Jenkins was the big disappointment of the three imo. I had him pegged for a much better season.
 
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Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. :banned:"
He wasn't expendable and DEN really suffered when teams keyed on Javon Walker. Stop Walker and you stopped the entire DEN passing game. His salary aspirations may have been unrealistic(I don't know what they were other than he wanted to be paid like a #1) but losing Lelie certainly hurt a DEN team that missed the playoffs by a very, very narrow margin.BTW if he can rack up 1000/7 for SD running pretty fly patterns I'd be happy if SD payed him as much as their #1 WR last year.
 
Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. :goodposting:"
He wasn't expendable
Denver thought he was.Atlanta thinks he is.I'll have to go with the opinions of two NFL organizations. I guess I'm just crazy that way. :D
 
Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. :goodposting:"
He wasn't expendable
Denver thought he was.Atlanta thinks he is.I'll have to go with the opinions of two NFL organizations. I guess I'm just crazy that way. :D
How do you know ATL thinks he is?If you're going to base your opinion of a player based on an NFL orginizations opinion then you may as well chaulk up Steve Young as a scrub too. TB had him and didn't do enough to keep him. ATL decided Favre was expendable. You'd be crazy to disagree with an NFL orginization. Right?
 
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Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I hope the Patriots sign Bennett,he should have a much needed mentoring influenceon the young WR corps.
 
Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. :o"
He wasn't expendable
Denver thought he was.Atlanta thinks he is.I'll have to go with the opinions of two NFL organizations. I guess I'm just crazy that way. :o
How do you know ATL thinks he is?If you're going to base your opinion of a player based on an NFL orginizations opinion then you may as well chaulk up Steve Young as a scrub too. TB had him and didn't do enough to keep him. ATL decided Favre was expendable. You'd be crazy to disagree with an NFL orginization. Right?
Apples and oranges. Lelie's been in the league 5 years and two teams have decided he's not worth the cost. I'm not going to argue whether ATL thinks he is. It's pretty well accepted they are not bringing him back. Do your reading. He's a limited role player, not a special player.And relax a little.
 
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Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. :popcorn:"
He wasn't expendable
Denver thought he was.Atlanta thinks he is.I'll have to go with the opinions of two NFL organizations. I guess I'm just crazy that way. :D
How do you know ATL thinks he is?If you're going to base your opinion of a player based on an NFL orginizations opinion then you may as well chaulk up Steve Young as a scrub too. TB had him and didn't do enough to keep him. ATL decided Favre was expendable. You'd be crazy to disagree with an NFL orginization. Right?
Apples and oranges. Lelie's been in the league 5 years and two teams have decided he's not worth the cost.
You do realize it's Lelie who opted to void his contract? That doesn't prove anything other than Lelie wants the option to negotiate a contract with all the teams in the league rather than just ATL. I'm not sure how you're getting ATL has decided he's not worth the cost?
 
Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
 
Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
His time in Denver shows that he was an excellent deep threat. Great YPC numbers. I tend to believe that the situation is currently disfunctional in Atlanta for all receivers and dismiss last year.
 
Lelie: "Go over the middle? No no, Ashley don't go over no middle. Those big mean linebacker boys are out there. I could get hurt doing that. No, I just want to run those nice fly patterns against little cornerbacks like I always have. Oh, I almost forgot - even though I'm interviewing to be your team's #2, I want to be paid like a #1. I still don't understand why Denver didn't want to meet my demands and decided I was expendable. That one stumps me. :shrug:"
He wasn't expendable
Denver thought he was.Atlanta thinks he is.

I'll have to go with the opinions of two NFL organizations. I guess I'm just crazy that way.

:shock:
How do you know ATL thinks he is?If you're going to base your opinion of a player based on an NFL orginizations opinion then you may as well chaulk up Steve Young as a scrub too. TB had him and didn't do enough to keep him. ATL decided Favre was expendable. You'd be crazy to disagree with an NFL orginization. Right?
Apples and oranges. Lelie's been in the league 5 years and two teams have decided he's not worth the cost.
You do realize it's Lelie who opted to void his contract? That doesn't prove anything other than Lelie wants the option to negotiate a contract with all the teams in the league rather than just ATL. I'm not sure how you're getting ATL has decided he's not worth the cost?
If Atlanta had wanted to keep him, his deal would have been restructured. They made no effort to avoid letting him walk.Among the top 100 WRs in the NFL in targets in 2006 (36 targets and up), Lelie was 99th in catch % with 41.2%. Only Brandon Lloyd at 40.4% was worse. Lots of deep threat guys on that list. Lots of bad QBs throwing to guys on that list. Again, Lelie was 99th out of 100.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2006/0...18wrtargets.php

As much negative press as Jenkins and White get concerning their ability to catch the ball, I found these Catch % stats interesting:

Jenkins 39/84=46.4%

White 30/64=46.9%

Lelie 28/68=41.2%

If we want to blame Vick for Lelie's poor catch %, we still have to explain why Lelie's teammates were both better. The 'because he's the deep threat' argument would make sense, but his YPC was only a little above average at 15.4 (Roddy's YPC was 16.9). The argument then is 'that's because he didn't catch a lot of the deep balls thrown to him.'

Exactly.

 
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Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
His time in Denver shows that he was an excellent deep threat. Great YPC numbers. I tend to believe that the situation is currently disfunctional in Atlanta for all receivers and dismiss last year.
He was #3 in Atlanta how can you dismiss that.
 
Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
His time in Denver shows that he was an excellent deep threat. Great YPC numbers. I tend to believe that the situation is currently disfunctional in Atlanta for all receivers and dismiss last year.
He was #3 in Atlanta how can you dismiss that.
Atlanta had a poor makeup of receivers. White and Lelie were both SPEED options. Not sure what you call Jenkins. Put Lelie in an offense where you have a primary receiver, Lelie as the speed receiver and a good slot receiver and I think he could do well.
 
Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
His time in Denver shows that he was an excellent deep threat. Great YPC numbers. I tend to believe that the situation is currently disfunctional in Atlanta for all receivers and dismiss last year.
He was #3 in Atlanta how can you dismiss that.
A) he had relatively little time to learn the systemB) Coaches wer partial to WRs they had drafted

 
They made no effort to avoid letting him walk.
Yeah, that's what I mean... where are you getting that info from? Blogger? ESPN? I've just never read/heard that was the case.You do make a good point about his catch % and the fact he didn't have a high ypc this season but it's also important to realize he didn't join the team until the end of August. He had to learn a whole new offense and qb during the season but still put up #'s comparable to White/Jenkins. His ypc for the last two seasons he played the entire season as a starter were 20.1ypc in '04 and 18.3ypc in '05.
 
Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
His time in Denver shows that he was an excellent deep threat. Great YPC numbers. I tend to believe that the situation is currently disfunctional in Atlanta for all receivers and dismiss last year.
He was #3 in Atlanta how can you dismiss that.
A) he had relatively little time to learn the systemB) Coaches wer partial to WRs they had drafted
C) he wasn't the #3 WR in ATL the second half of the year
 
Pat Patriot said:
The answer depends on where he goes. I think he could be an excellent #2 (ie. deep threat) for the Patriots. The Best thing about it is that HE probably thinks that he can be a #1 with NE considering who is there now.

The Patriots need a deep thread and have a WR #1 in training in Chad Jackson. I would rather see the Patriots sign Lelie or Drew Bennett rather than draft another WR as many mocks have them doing.
I could not disagree more more. This guy has been over-hyped since Denver drafed him. I would not want him on my team at any price.
His time in Denver shows that he was an excellent deep threat. Great YPC numbers. I tend to believe that the situation is currently disfunctional in Atlanta for all receivers and dismiss last year.
He was #3 in Atlanta how can you dismiss that.
A) he had relatively little time to learn the systemB) Coaches wer partial to WRs they had drafted
C) He's not good.
 
I always look for a guy like Lelie on my Madden teams. Deep threat guys who can run the 6 from the slot and maybe return kicks.

So yeah - that's what I have to contribute about Lelie.

 
He's a one-dimensional receiver, better suited as a WR#3.
I agree he's fairly one dimensional in the mold of an Alvin Harper, but I see a lot of teams where Lelie would be a vast improvement at WR#2 or WR#3.
One of those guys where popular opinion of him is always too high or too low. Going into '05 people talked like he was on the verge of becoming a star. Now, people talk like he's in the same bust class as Tryone Calico. He's not. I look at him a poor-man's Donte Stallworth with a much better injury history. In a deep dynasty league these are the types of WR's to pick up for nothing and stash as your last WR because if he goes to a place like NE he'll quickly be on everyones "sleeper" list for next season. I'd love for SD to pick him up cheap... though I doubt he'd put up big stats there. Just being a deep threat on the field would create even more space for Gates/Tomlinson underneath. I'm not saying he'd vault ahead of Vincent Jackson as the clear-cut #1 but imo he'd be no worse than 1b @ WR. Jackson/Lelie/Parker/Floyd would be good enough at WR if you have Gates.
I can see him being effective in SD. A deep threat who can take some pressure off Gates and LT would open things up.
 
i think it entirely depends on where he goes. if put in the right situation he could excel.
What situation is that?He looks like a #3 and as everyone has stated...to be a deep threat.
Bernard Berrian is a #2...and he primarily runs deep routes, as was Harper.Not saying he's an ideal #2 in all systems, but I think he can definitely find a spot as a #2.
Both of those examples were in run first offenses. Lelie played his college ball in June Jones pass happy offense and he's complained in the past about not getting the ball enough. He should have his agent call Detroit and try his best to get in with Martz. That is the only team I could see him being a #2 AND putting up numbers.
 
I can see him being effective in SD. A deep threat who can take some pressure off Gates and LT would open things up.
Depends on the size of the :lmao: . I'd like to see more of Floyd personally - he was showing flashes until he got hurt.Judging on the kind of guys A.J. has brought in for receiver Lelie doesn't seem to fit the mold. If he could become an Alvin Harper type, maybe Norv could make him work, but it sure seems like his hands are for ####.
 
I can see him being effective in SD. A deep threat who can take some pressure off Gates and LT would open things up.
Depends on the size of the :thumbup: . I'd like to see more of Floyd personally - he was showing flashes until he got hurt.Judging on the kind of guys A.J. has brought in for receiver Lelie doesn't seem to fit the mold. If he could become an Alvin Harper type, maybe Norv could make him work, but it sure seems like his hands are for ####.
I agree about Floyd but I doubt Lelie would cost much money to bring in and he'd be the deep threat they haven't had since Caldwell left.
 
i think it entirely depends on where he goes. if put in the right situation he could excel.
What situation is that?He looks like a #3 and as everyone has stated...to be a deep threat.
2004 - 54 - 1084 - 7He did pretty well in that situation. I didn't say he would be the next CJ, just that he could do well. Those are number 2 type numbers that, IMO, could probably be built on.
 
i think it entirely depends on where he goes. if put in the right situation he could excel.
What situation is that?He looks like a #3 and as everyone has stated...to be a deep threat.
2004 - 54 - 1084 - 7He did pretty well in that situation. I didn't say he would be the next CJ, just that he could do well. Those are number 2 type numbers that, IMO, could probably be built on.
yep...that was still very early in his career...Lelie is entering that stage where many WRs peak.
 
cstu said:
I can see him being effective in SD. A deep threat who can take some pressure off Gates and LT would open things up.
Depends on the size of the :thumbup: . I'd like to see more of Floyd personally - he was showing flashes until he got hurt.Judging on the kind of guys A.J. has brought in for receiver Lelie doesn't seem to fit the mold. If he could become an Alvin Harper type, maybe Norv could make him work, but it sure seems like his hands are for ####.
I agree about Floyd but I doubt Lelie would cost much money to bring in and he'd be the deep threat they haven't had since Caldwell left.
Cameron was wise to use Floyd mostly in short yardage situations where he could use his size and leaping ability. In a lot of ways I think Lelie/Floyd would compliment each other perfectly on the other side of Vincent Jackson. Jackson in all the time and Lelie in during passing situations with Floyd taking Lelie's spot in short yardage situations. After being disappointed by Parkers season last year(especially the playoff game) I can't help but think he's better suited for a Bobby-Engram-Slot-Receiver type of role.I do agree SD shouldn't overspend on Lelie but it seems like a buy-low situation to me. He has a lot more talent then a lot of people will admit. He's guilty of being overhyped early in his career and having too high an opinion of his skills but that doesn't mean he doesn't have talent. Give him an incentive laden deal where he makes #1 WR $ if he plays that way.
 
Minnesota would be a great spot...

Ashley Lelie-WR- Falcons Feb. 27 - 9:54 am et The Vikings are expected to go after Ashley Lelie when free agency opens.We thought they'd be among the favorites for Donte' Stallworth and Drew Bennett, but this would indicate they are aiming lower - if true. Lelie has experience in the West Coast offense, but has a similar skill set to Troy Williamson. Darrell Jackson would also be a nice fit.
 
Minnesota would be a great spot...

Ashley Lelie-WR- Falcons Feb. 27 - 9:54 am et The Vikings are expected to go after Ashley Lelie when free agency opens.We thought they'd be among the favorites for Donte' Stallworth and Drew Bennett, but this would indicate they are aiming lower - if true. Lelie has experience in the West Coast offense, but has a similar skill set to Troy Williamson. Darrell Jackson would also be a nice fit.
Sweet they will have two fast guys who cant catch
 

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