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FantasyMan
Footballguy
This.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Did this ever get released?
Any of those pads are basically a large phone screen with more powerful "guts" to process. I haven't seen FBG enter the phone app market yet, in anyway. If I may piggy-back...any plans for any phone apps guys?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
simey
Footballguy
I haven't seen it.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
You know the feeling that you get when your at a restaurant and your waiting for your food and the waiter/waitress keeps saying "your food will be right out" but in reality they havent even started making your food yet?Thats kind of how I feel...just bring me some breadsticks and tell me my food is going to take a while...
Urlacher54
Footballguy
Are you planning on bringing "The Big Picture" back? Last year many of us were looking forward to this and it never came. It was one of your best pieces.
Sorry DJ. The truth is it may take a while. Honestly, an article about what David and I think is pretty low on the priority scale compared to football features and apps like the Top 300 list or getting a new Draft Dominator uploaded. Those things have taken priority. Sorry.You know the feeling that you get when your at a restaurant and your waiting for your food and the waiter/waitress keeps saying "your food will be right out" but in reality they havent even started making your food yet?Thats kind of how I feel...just bring me some breadsticks and tell me my food is going to take a while...
J
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Wasn't this supposed to be released two weeks ago? Now you're basically hinting that isn't going to come at all and certainly not anytime soon.To be honest with you, as a subscriber I could not care less about a top 300 list or constant updates to tools that are already out there. I check out the rankings, check out the projections, and care more about the articles where things are discussed (From the Gut, for example). I care more about getting things that are told are coming and not having you guys consistently blow off deadlines with one excuse after another. My 2 cents...Sorry DJ. The truth is it may take a while. Honestly, an article about what David and I think is pretty low on the priority scale compared to football features and apps like the Top 300 list or getting a new Draft Dominator uploaded. Those things have taken priority. Sorry.You know the feeling that you get when your at a restaurant and your waiting for your food and the waiter/waitress keeps saying "your food will be right out" but in reality they havent even started making your food yet?Thats kind of how I feel...just bring me some breadsticks and tell me my food is going to take a while...
J
Hi Ramblin.Sorry this is not what you wanted to hear. I thought folks would rather hear an honest update as to where this feature was. It's a very low priority item I believe when compared to things like the Top 300 or Draft Dominator. I realize it's not for you but when forced with prioritizing things, I think the football content comes before something like this from David and myself. I realize that doesn't make everyone happy - just trying to give honest feedback as to where it is. As the poster said earlier, if something is going to be late at the restaurant, it's better to let the customer know I believe. Hopefully we can get this put together soon for folks.Wasn't this supposed to be released two weeks ago? Now you're basically hinting that isn't going to come at all and certainly not anytime soon.To be honest with you, as a subscriber I could not care less about a top 300 list or constant updates to tools that are already out there. I check out the rankings, check out the projections, and care more about the articles where things are discussed (From the Gut, for example). I care more about getting things that are told are coming and not having you guys consistently blow off deadlines with one excuse after another. My 2 cents...Sorry DJ. The truth is it may take a while. Honestly, an article about what David and I think is pretty low on the priority scale compared to football features and apps like the Top 300 list or getting a new Draft Dominator uploaded. Those things have taken priority. Sorry.You know the feeling that you get when your at a restaurant and your waiting for your food and the waiter/waitress keeps saying "your food will be right out" but in reality they havent even started making your food yet?Thats kind of how I feel...just bring me some breadsticks and tell me my food is going to take a while...
J
J
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slayer666
Footballguy
No disrespect intended. But when you say you're going to deliver something, deliver it.
eakfootball
Footballguy
Think you guys could tell me where the word somersault comes from?
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I think Joe is really missing the boat here. I think its quite important to hear from the leaders of the site in regards to what subscribers can expect from the site this year. What new features, tools, etc etc. I think everyone would love to know if our $$ gets us anything new this upcoming season or is just going to be the same stuff delivered the same way.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I would have had a lackey take care of it
No worries Joe. if there are other things that are higher priority, I'm good with that. its just nice to hear that from you guys. I noticed it a few times last year and hope it isnt a trend to say "x article will be out in x days" and then not hear anything for a while. I understand we all get swamped at work, but I think we just like to hear a realistic timeframe for when things will come out.Sorry DJ. The truth is it may take a while. Honestly, an article about what David and I think is pretty low on the priority scale compared to football features and apps like the Top 300 list or getting a new Draft Dominator uploaded. Those things have taken priority. Sorry.You know the feeling that you get when your at a restaurant and your waiting for your food and the waiter/waitress keeps saying "your food will be right out" but in reality they havent even started making your food yet?Thats kind of how I feel...just bring me some breadsticks and tell me my food is going to take a while...
J
You guys give great content and you know better than I about what I need to know in the world of fantasy football!
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
Who would you take @ 1.10 in a 12 team PPR startup dynasty?
omally
Footballguy
I think folks would prefer professionalism. It's understandable that the article was pushed back due to an unexpected event, but then another timeframe was given, and then it was just totally blown off, and now you have found an out by using a posters restaurant analogy.
slayer666
Footballguy
I've been a member for the past six years, so I'm not #####ing just to #####. Matter of fact, I'm not #####ing at all.
I basically subscribe to support the site because I enjoy reading the FFA forum.
As for the football side of the house, I really think the IDP information is top notch and use it as a tool to bounce staff members' opinions off of my own thoughts. I also like the FGB contest, which is probably worth the cost of the subscription by itself. Other than that, I couldn't care less if the projections or an article are delivered on time, but you guys are running a business and there are people who DO care (regardless of how cheap the service is).
Bottom line: if you put out a schedule, then deliver the goods. If you can't deliver the goods, then adjust the schedule accordingly.
You guys brag about putting out 50,000 pages of content (or whatever the number is), but key data/tools/articles (according to some members) aren't delivered when promised.
Sometimes I think this site is getting complacent because the powers that be feel it is too big to fail. FBG might never fail, but you will lose business if you don't start putting out content on time. Face it, there's a ton of free information on the web, and most of my friends have been participating in the hobby long enough that they don't need to spend a dime on a premium/pay site.
Personally, I don't understand the issue. There are two very intelligent people running the show, and you have a staff of 30+ employees. I don't understand (except maybe in the case of emergencies) why deadlines can't be met.
If you're trying to do too much, then use Google analytics to analyze the most popular tools, articles, statistics, news, etc... and kill off content that isn't getting hits. Then reallocate those resources/staff members to the data/information that your subscribers utilize the most, and want to see delivered ON TIME.
I basically subscribe to support the site because I enjoy reading the FFA forum.
As for the football side of the house, I really think the IDP information is top notch and use it as a tool to bounce staff members' opinions off of my own thoughts. I also like the FGB contest, which is probably worth the cost of the subscription by itself. Other than that, I couldn't care less if the projections or an article are delivered on time, but you guys are running a business and there are people who DO care (regardless of how cheap the service is).
Bottom line: if you put out a schedule, then deliver the goods. If you can't deliver the goods, then adjust the schedule accordingly.
You guys brag about putting out 50,000 pages of content (or whatever the number is), but key data/tools/articles (according to some members) aren't delivered when promised.
Sometimes I think this site is getting complacent because the powers that be feel it is too big to fail. FBG might never fail, but you will lose business if you don't start putting out content on time. Face it, there's a ton of free information on the web, and most of my friends have been participating in the hobby long enough that they don't need to spend a dime on a premium/pay site.
Personally, I don't understand the issue. There are two very intelligent people running the show, and you have a staff of 30+ employees. I don't understand (except maybe in the case of emergencies) why deadlines can't be met.
If you're trying to do too much, then use Google analytics to analyze the most popular tools, articles, statistics, news, etc... and kill off content that isn't getting hits. Then reallocate those resources/staff members to the data/information that your subscribers utilize the most, and want to see delivered ON TIME.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Why is a top 300 list a priority. There is one posted that is only a week old. There is no camp and no player movement going on. What is changing in the top 300 that makes it a priority? With a staff this large, I would think a top 300 list could be delegated too.
We all understand when the lockout gets lifted and free agency and trades occur quickly in large numbers that projections, rankings, lists, etc.... will be changing daily and hard to keep up with. Guess what I'm saying is all these things you're listing as a priority don't really seem like a priority this time of year but will be in about a week or two.
This missing deadline thing has been an issue here for years. And every year it's supposedly going to get fixed but not only does that not occur there are also posts where Dodds brags about being able to beat the competition with earlier deadlines (Thursday night games thread). Seems kind of arrogant to me.
We all understand when the lockout gets lifted and free agency and trades occur quickly in large numbers that projections, rankings, lists, etc.... will be changing daily and hard to keep up with. Guess what I'm saying is all these things you're listing as a priority don't really seem like a priority this time of year but will be in about a week or two.
This missing deadline thing has been an issue here for years. And every year it's supposedly going to get fixed but not only does that not occur there are also posts where Dodds brags about being able to beat the competition with earlier deadlines (Thursday night games thread). Seems kind of arrogant to me.
Deadlines???? We don't need no stinkin' deadlines!!!!
I have a lifetime subscription to the site. I have actually gotten accustomed to the missed deadlines. Nothing new in that department.
Last year I asked many questions in the "Ask Joe and David Anything" thread.....mostly about the Draft Dominator. It took quite a while until any of them were addressed.
I have a lifetime subscription to the site. I have actually gotten accustomed to the missed deadlines. Nothing new in that department.
Last year I asked many questions in the "Ask Joe and David Anything" thread.....mostly about the Draft Dominator. It took quite a while until any of them were addressed.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
This. I just do not rely on FBG any longer for their "up to date content". While the draft dominator is nice, extremely similar tools are offered else where (where dead lines are met), so while there is plenty of content, it just does not always seem to come out when promised.
Thanks DJ. I appreciate the good words.Again, we apologize for not having this one ready earlier when we wanted to. Hope to have it ready soon. Thanks and let's have a great 2011.No worries Joe. if there are other things that are higher priority, I'm good with that. its just nice to hear that from you guys. I noticed it a few times last year and hope it isnt a trend to say "x article will be out in x days" and then not hear anything for a while. I understand we all get swamped at work, but I think we just like to hear a realistic timeframe for when things will come out.Sorry DJ. The truth is it may take a while. Honestly, an article about what David and I think is pretty low on the priority scale compared to football features and apps like the Top 300 list or getting a new Draft Dominator uploaded. Those things have taken priority. Sorry.You know the feeling that you get when your at a restaurant and your waiting for your food and the waiter/waitress keeps saying "your food will be right out" but in reality they havent even started making your food yet?Thats kind of how I feel...just bring me some breadsticks and tell me my food is going to take a while...
J
You guys give great content and you know better than I about what I need to know in the world of fantasy football!
J
GridironMenace
Footballguy
^ This.
With any business, it is important for the CEO to get out there and let their customers know what the future of their product is. Delegating football things to make this Joe/David's top priority is what should have happened. Very few people care about a top 300 and I can't imagine may people wanting to see a top 300 (before FA begins) over an article where very important questions about the future of the site are answered by the powers that be. I think Joe and David need to re-prioritize what is important for the site. Make football content important when the CBA is signed and when moves are being made.
Tickle Monster
Footballguy
MFL app?
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Seems like Joe continues to miss the point about the deadlines.
If some article or another is late because something else took a higher priority, the issue is the poor planning in the first place that put the release of the article above the higher priority feature to begin with.
Once a deadline is published and promised, you should be held accountable to it. Subscribers expect that the original published deadline took all the other factors into account when it was first promised. It's just not professional to say what amounts to "David thought we'd get this out, but he forgot that we also do projections and have software and stuff. If this was the only thing on his plate, he would have made the deadline, but he didn't know all this other football stuff we do was going on at the same time, and it turns out that the stuff David forgot about was much more important than this thing." It makes you both look bad, like there's no one who plans ahead around here.
If some article or another is late because something else took a higher priority, the issue is the poor planning in the first place that put the release of the article above the higher priority feature to begin with.
Once a deadline is published and promised, you should be held accountable to it. Subscribers expect that the original published deadline took all the other factors into account when it was first promised. It's just not professional to say what amounts to "David thought we'd get this out, but he forgot that we also do projections and have software and stuff. If this was the only thing on his plate, he would have made the deadline, but he didn't know all this other football stuff we do was going on at the same time, and it turns out that the stuff David forgot about was much more important than this thing." It makes you both look bad, like there's no one who plans ahead around here.
If Joe and David are looking for constructive feedback, I will say that since so many deadlines have been missed I find myself checking the paid content less and less. This makes me question why I continue to pay for a subscription.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Doubt they care much about the feedback. The deadline/delegation deal has been an issue for half a decade now and they haven't addressed it.'thayman said:
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Simple enough... if you guys don't plan on meeting a deadline, don't give one.If its low priority that you may get around to "sometime", just say that instead of throwing a date out.Focus on giving dates for only the high prioity stuff and then the important part... meeting them.I've been here since Cheatsheets.net and I love the site and info. This isn't a big enough deal for me to leave but it gets pretty damn frustrating year after year when a fix seems simple enough.TIA'Sarnoff said:
Reginald Cornsilks
Footballguy
It gets brought up often enough and then we get a passive aggressive dismissal from Joe...never once has he said "You're right, that needs to change and that is unacceptable". It's always rationalized in some way to make it more palatable for the customer. Customer's don't really care about being told why something didn't happen or is late, they just want the content when it's promised. "Under promise, over deliver" is one of the age old axioms to running a business and customer service. At times, the content put out with respect to deadlines is the exact opposite. I really don't think Joe should be dealing directly with the customers because he really lacks any "bedside manner" when it comes to explaining why something didn't happen and can be very dismissive or blaming it on something that no one cares about. All we care about is you doing what you say you are going to do - that's it and that's all. Set an expectation and deliver, and expect folks to be unhappy when it's not delivered.If I order my mother a Christmas gift for amazon and I'm told it will arrive December 23rd, and it doesn't come in until December 27th, I'm going to be ripped and probably ask for a refund. Especially if the head of Amazon is flippantly explaining to me that it really wasn't much of a priority to them to get it to me in time.This is meant to be constructive feedback Joe from a sometimes-frustrated customer. This isn't an attack and I know from past experience, "concerns" tend to just sort of bounce off of you even if they are meant with good intentions. I think over the years you've been peppered with some really nasty and nonconstructive feedback that has allowed you to develop the skin to take everything with a grain of salt. The problem I've seen the past 2 years is you see to take EVERYTHING the community says with a grain of salt and it never comes off that you give it any real consideration. But just throwing it out there. I'll continue to subscribe nonetheless as the product itself, while often late, is still better than most of what's out there.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
When will content like cheatsheets and projections stop being free this year? After the FA period?
grateful zed
Footballguy
hair type?
David Dodds
Administrator
Finally posted today. Sorry for the delay:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2011/11interview_dodds_bryant.php
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2011/11interview_dodds_bryant.php
That's a bummer you feel that way. I've asked for feedback from the very beginning here and we get a lot of it. A great many features we have today are the result of feedback from customers.The deadline thing was a big deal after the 2009 season where we struggled to meet the deadlines, specifically for weekly projections during the season. Coupled with the feedback that the customers wanted projections even earlier than when we were trying to get them out. We listened, radically changed the way we do our projections process and delivered projections for the 2010 season that were both earlier and on the times we promised. I'm not sure how we could have listened, reacted and performed any better.We certainly have faults. Clearly we were wrong in missing deadlines in 2009. No question there. But we listened, responded and executed what we needed to do in order to resolve that. On other things, it's just completely on us to be smart with what we promise. This article is a perfect example. This material isn't time sensitive. If we would have said from the start that it was coming out sometime this summer, we'd have been fine. But we tried to be too optimistic and put an early date on it and we missed. I fully understand that once you put a date on something, you'd better deliver. The reactions here show that. And I agree with those reactions. Once you miss a date, that's bad. What we've got to do better on is being more realistic with the dates and we'll continue to try and do better there.Thanks for the questions and the feedback and for being a part of Footballguys.J
Thanks. I'm hearing it as constructive, no worries there. And I agree with you. I agree with what you're saying on the "skin" thing as sometimes you build up a "defense" to handle what comes in. But don't worry, I separate this issue from some of the other stuff as I fully agree with the folks that say it's a major frustration. We solved the deadline struggles for the inseason content. That took some real work and figuring things out. Solving it for stuff like this will be much easier as it just means being way more pessimistic / realistic as to when something will come out. As I said earlier, if we had this article to do again, it wouldn't even have a deadline. Because I agree 100%, once you give a deadline, you have to meet it.Thanks.J
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Not really a question, but I'd like to see a footballguys app on android. Not really for the forums because they're easy to navigate with the new board style, but for all the content. I'd like to have a native app to be able to pull up rankings, articles, cheat sheets, etc. Wouldn't have to be access to everything, but it would be awesome if you could pull up all the key info on an app and not have to navigate the page on a phone web browser which is somewhat of a pain.
edit: I'd even be happy if we had one just solely to pull up rankings and cheat sheets and nothing else. that would still be awesome
edit: I'd even be happy if we had one just solely to pull up rankings and cheat sheets and nothing else. that would still be awesome
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KGB
Footballguy
have you tried the link to the mobile edition of the site linked above?
David Dodds
Administrator
just create a link on Android to point to footballguys.com/m
fightingillini
Footballguy
In case that there is a second posting of answers from Dave and Joe,
My question is regarding staff rankings/projections. I would like to see what the projections are from the FBG that has that player ranked the highest and the FBG that has that player ranked the lowest, along with their reasoning. (there is some commentary in the rankings already). For example, the current rankings show that Matt Waldman has Jones-Drew ranked RB15 and Dave Baker has Jones-Drew RB4. What are Waldman's and Baker's projections for Jones-Drew? I would like to know how far apart they really are to get a sense of the differences in opinion.
Thanks guys.
My question is regarding staff rankings/projections. I would like to see what the projections are from the FBG that has that player ranked the highest and the FBG that has that player ranked the lowest, along with their reasoning. (there is some commentary in the rankings already). For example, the current rankings show that Matt Waldman has Jones-Drew ranked RB15 and Dave Baker has Jones-Drew RB4. What are Waldman's and Baker's projections for Jones-Drew? I would like to know how far apart they really are to get a sense of the differences in opinion.
Thanks guys.
Hi Fightingillini,I too find it interesting when staffers are far apart on players. I'll keep encouraging our guys to provide commentary when they are going "out on a limb" against the grain. As you mentioned, when a player has the ranking bolded in blue, that means there is commentary. Just mouse over it and it pops up. MJD is ranked #7 in the consensus. Actually, Sigmund Bloom, Matt Waldman, Jason Wood and Mark Wimer all have good commentary for their rankings as they have him as #10 or higher. Not all the staffers publish detailed stat projections so to answer what you're asking for, the commentary will need to be the guide. Great question - fleshing out the "why" behind rankings is a big thing and one of the additions we were glad to make to the rankings when we did it.J
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Is the Subscriber Contest running again this year? Any idea when it will go live? Any rule changes?
Also:
Just my 2 cents.
Also:
I think you're still missing the point here. Obviously deadlines have been a problem here in the past but I do think it was improved last season. The fact that you missed the deadline with this isn't great, but that's not really the issue. The problem is I think you're underestimating the value of a feature like "Ask Joe and David". You've got staff that can handle projections, preseason articles, etc. - at this point, before the lockout has ended, there's not a whole lot to keep tweaking until free agency gets underway anyway.You're the face of the FBG franchise; I don't think anyone expects you to be grinding out site content 18 hours a day in July. That's why you hired other people. Your job is to make the customers feel like they are a priority. Something like "Ask Joe and David" should be at the top of your list of priorities, not the bottom. That you missed your own deadline for this feature is one thing; that you then acknowledged that you never should have set a deadline because it wasn't a priority is something worse, imo.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the this. I was wrong in my estimation of how many folks wanted to see this. I really thought most would
at wanting to hear us answer questions. (and I'm sure a ton do) But I hear what you're saying and it's appreciated. Thanks.J
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My expectations are that we'll have the contest exactly as we had last year. It's a big part of the subscription for lots of folks. Hope you win the big money.J
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